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fordfixer
01-24-2010, 09:30 AM
Steelers Free Agent Decisions: Casey Hampton
The Steelers have some tough decisions to make concerning their six unrestricted free agents before the signing period begins March 5. What they do about their hulking nose tackle may be one of the hardest.
Sunday, January 24, 2010
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10024/1030671-66.stm

Casey Hampton will play in his fifth Pro Bowl next Sunday and it might not be the last time this year he wears a football uniform other than his Steelers No. 98. For nine seasons, since he broke into the starting lineup as a rookie in 2001, Hampton has anchored some of the best defenses of the decade at nose tackle. But unless the team makes a move to keep him over the next month, Hampton will become an unrestricted free agent March 5.

The Steelers have options, none of them cheap. They can negotiate a long-term contract over the next month or they can put either a franchise or transition tag on Hampton.

His agent does not know what to expect, but sources told the Post-Gazette the team will try to sign Hampton one way or another before he becomes a free agent. That is something they did not try to do last year while they signed other players to long-term contracts before they started their final year under their old deals, players such as defensive end Brett Keisel, tight end Heath Miller and offensive tackle Max Starks.

"Really, we don't know right now," said agent Eric Armstead, who hopes to talk to the Steelers during Senior Bowl practices this week in Mobile, Ala. "They have time to toy around until March. It's an administrative decision.

"Typically, the Steelers do business one way. When they want to retain a person, they sign him a year early and don't make a big splash. They are textbook."

That is what they did with Hampton the last time around. He had one year left on his contract when they signed him to a new one in the summer of 2005 at $22.75 million for five years. They ignored him last summer under identical circumstances and one year after coach Mike Tomlin put him on the physically unable to report list when the coach said he did not report to training camp in shape.

Replacing Hampton would be a difficult job. Chris Hoke remains his backup and played well when he started 12 games in 2004, including two in the playoffs, after Hampton's season ended with a torn ACL. Hoke has not had to play often since then, although he regularly enters games to give Hampton a rest. Hoke turns 32 in April, Hampton 33 in September.

Hampton has said he wants to stay with the Steelers and privately has told people that someone promised him the team would not put the franchise tag on him.

However, the Steelers might have no choice and it might be their best avenue. The cost to put the one-year franchise or transition tenders on a player have not yet been revealed by the league or the players union. Last season a one-year salary required to pay a franchised defensive tackle was slightly more than $6 million, about $5.5 million for the transition tag.

Each team will have both a franchise and transition tag if the collective bargaining agreement is not extended by March 5. That might not be a bad way for the Steelers to go with Hampton, who counted $6,652,000 against their salary cap last season. He would roughly count the same if franchised in 2010.

If they put the "exclusive" franchise tag on Hampton, he cannot negotiate with other teams. The "non-exclusive" tag would allow him to negotiate and if he signs and the Steelers do not match, they would receive two first-round draft choices in return. The transition tag only allows the Steelers the right to match another contract and keep the player.

"They haven't suggested making him the franchise player," Armstead said. "But a lot of times teams don't, so we really, really don't know."
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Oviedo
01-24-2010, 10:13 AM
This is probably the toughest free agent decison the team has had to make in years.

Case for resigning:
1. When motivated can be a dominant player
2. Understands the scheme
3. No history of durability concerns
4. NT can play well into their mid 30's if they take conditoioning serious
5. No immediate option on the roster

Case for not resigning:
1. Has shown he doesn't take conditioning serious which will be more critical as he gets older
2. Will he be motivated after getting "last big contract"

I think the team is between a rock and a hard place and at a minimum will have to tag him and continue to try to work out a deal. It worked for Starks. My concern is Hampton is a head case who becomes Alan Faneca if he gets tagged.

I'll beat my favorite deadhorse on this one. This is the problem with the 3-4 defense on the defensive line. The three positions require unique skillsets that are tougher to replace or replenish than the 4-3 defensive line requirements. We may have to pay a heavy price for that with Hampton.

Shawn
01-24-2010, 12:02 PM
The Steelers must tag him unless he wants to sign a three year deal reasonably. Hoke is ok...but he isn't Hampton. If we franchise him...we have to get a first round NT...unless we plan to pull a Starks. If we let him go...we have to get a first round NT. The only way we don't draft one is if we sign Hampton to a 3 year deal.

feltdizz
01-24-2010, 12:58 PM
He would've been resigned already if I was the GM. I'm OK with Casey coming in fat and greasy.. He has been a tank for years.. he goes out on his own terms..

Flasteel
01-24-2010, 01:21 PM
The Steelers must tag him unless he wants to sign a three year deal reasonably. Hoke is ok...but he isn't Hampton. If we franchise him...we have to get a first round NT...unless we plan to pull a Starks. If we let him go...we have to get a first round NT. The only way we don't draft one is if we sign Hampton to a 3 year deal.

I think a 3-year contract is the way to go.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-24-2010, 01:23 PM
I transition tag him. He plays his best facing a contract. Keep the carrot (free agency) dangling on the string one more year and groom the hell out of someone.

I say move Kemo to NT.

Shawn
01-24-2010, 01:32 PM
The Steelers must tag him unless he wants to sign a three year deal reasonably. Hoke is ok...but he isn't Hampton. If we franchise him...we have to get a first round NT...unless we plan to pull a Starks. If we let him go...we have to get a first round NT. The only way we don't draft one is if we sign Hampton to a 3 year deal.

I think a 3-year contract is the way to go.

That's what I want personally...especially if he will play for a semi reasonable salary. Then we can look at NT later in the draft...maybe 3rd round Troups? And get a FS, DB and/or ILB in the first three. This is the optimal situation.

feltdizz
01-24-2010, 01:41 PM
I transition tag him. He plays his best facing a contract. Keep the carrot (free agency) dangling on the string one more year and groom the hell out of someone.

I say move Kemo to NT.

I think he said/implied he would be very unhappy if tagged. Could make for a funky season or a real drop off in production..

This situation is like a flat tire on a holiday weekend.. you pretty much have to pay what the tow truck charges for a new tire or ride the spare..

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-24-2010, 02:50 PM
I transition tag him. He plays his best facing a contract. Keep the carrot (free agency) dangling on the string one more year and groom the hell out of someone.

I say move Kemo to NT.

I think he said/implied he would be very unhappy if tagged. Could make for a funky season or a real drop off in production..

This situation is like a flat tire on a holiday weekend.. you pretty much have to pay what the tow truck charges for a new tire or ride the spare..

OK, dizz. First, the baby learning to walk analogy (Steelers 2005 Colts playoff game). Now this one.

Are you like a sensai master who secretly posts on a Steeler board?

:lol: :lol:

Mister Pittsburgh
01-24-2010, 03:17 PM
I transition tag him. He plays his best facing a contract. Keep the carrot (free agency) dangling on the string one more year and groom the hell out of someone.

I say move Kemo to NT.

I think he said/implied he would be very unhappy if tagged. Could make for a funky season or a real drop off in production..

This situation is like a flat tire on a holiday weekend.. you pretty much have to pay what the tow truck charges for a new tire or ride the spare..

Not really at all man. He showed up for camp in great shape and played great this past year because he figured he had to have a good showing for free agency. All you would be doing by transition tagging him is delaying free agency one more year. If he shows up fat and has a crappy year then that just diminishes his own value facing free agency in 2011. Incentive is a magical tool.

What incentive is there if they sign him for a multi-year deal? I would bet a lot of money if they signed him to a long term deal (2 or 3 years) next week, he shows up for training camp heavier and in worse shape than he did this past camp.....and then we would hear all the garbage from him about he will be ready, whatever......

I don't view us as screwed if he wasn't signed. I think Hoke could play NT very well for a season or two. He doesn't have as much wear on his body as Hampton even though they are near the same age. Plus, to be honest, I thought Hoke played better than Hampton at times even this season.

If they didn't sign him though, they better be doing some damn fine scouting of NT and draft one high this year and bring in a lower round pick and undrafted free agent sleeper type to battle in camp to try and see who deserves to be groomed.

feltdizz
01-24-2010, 04:22 PM
I transition tag him. He plays his best facing a contract. Keep the carrot (free agency) dangling on the string one more year and groom the hell out of someone.

I say move Kemo to NT.

I think he said/implied he would be very unhappy if tagged. Could make for a funky season or a real drop off in production..

This situation is like a flat tire on a holiday weekend.. you pretty much have to pay what the tow truck charges for a new tire or ride the spare..

OK, dizz. First, the baby learning to walk analogy (Steelers 2005 Colts playoff game). Now this one.

Are you like a sensai master who secretly posts on a Steeler board?
I'm an artist... I like to keep it visual and creative!

:lol: :lol:

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2010, 04:23 PM
The Steelers must tag him unless he wants to sign a three year deal reasonably. Hoke is ok...but he isn't Hampton. If we franchise him...we have to get a first round NT...unless we plan to pull a Starks. If we let him go...we have to get a first round NT. The only way we don't draft one is if we sign Hampton to a 3 year deal.

I think a 3-year contract is the way to go.


Yes, a 3-year contract would be ideal from the Steelers' perspective but if I'm Casey Hampton there is no way I sign a contract that's only 3 years in length. This is his last chance for a big contract, he will want at least 4-5 years and if the Steelers don't give it to him I'm sure there's another team that will.

feltdizz
01-24-2010, 04:36 PM
Mister P. I think Casey's weight issue is exaggerated. Is his weight all we have as leverage? Just seems like we can't use film or a drop off in production as proof. Kind of lame to use weight against a NT.

papillon
01-24-2010, 05:11 PM
I'd put the non-exclusive franchise tag on him. If he gets an offer, depending who its from their two first round picks in the future could be worth playing a season without a great NT. If their offer is reasonable, then match it and have Casey for the rest of his career. I don't see the downside in this scenario.

Pappy

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2010, 05:50 PM
I'd put the non-exclusive franchise tag on him. If he gets an offer, depending who its from their two first round picks in the future could be worth playing a season without a great NT. If their offer is reasonable, then match it and have Casey for the rest of his career. I don't see the downside in this scenario.

Pappy


I think the possible downside to this scenario is that no other team will want to give up two 1st round draft picks for an aging NT and as a result Casey will receive no contract offers. Big Snack could then be unhappy with losing his chance for that last big payday and stage a holdout to show his displeasure. Do we want to risk that type of a distraction?

Chadman
01-24-2010, 05:59 PM
"4. NT can play well into their mid 30's if they take conditoioning serious

Case for not resigning:
1. Has shown he doesn't take conditioning serious which will be more critical as he gets older
2. Will he be motivated after getting "last big contract" "

O- going to disagree with you on these first 2 points. Sam Adams & Ted Washington both played until mid to late 30's & were fat, out of shape blobs that filled in space. Yet, even so, they were highly effective 3-4 NT's because they simply occupied space & took on multiple blockers. This new found problem with the Steelers NT being only a '2-down player' is laughable. They are not there to rush the QB, it's not their #1 assignment. They clog the middle, take on multiple blockers, and free space for the ILB's. Hampton could do that at 380 lbs if he wanted to. Which leads to him 'not taking conditioning seriously'- when did his weight ever effect his level of play?

As for being motivated after his 'last big payday'- has he EVER looked like he dogged a season?

They guy doesn't get enough credit on this board. He's simply the #1 3-4 NT in the NFL today. Pay him as such, and draft a young guy to learn what it takes to play Steeler football from the best in the business. He's had 9 years in the Steeler Defense, in what is the most critical position for the scheme. How many of those years have the Steelers struggled on Defense?

Mister Pittsburgh
01-24-2010, 07:39 PM
Mister P. I think Casey's weight issue is exaggerated. Is his weight all we have as leverage? Just seems like we can't use film or a drop off in production as proof. Kind of lame to use weight against a NT.

Maybe weight is the wrong word. But I think weight does go hand in hand with the right word which is conditioning. I look at the Colts & the Pats way of handling their rosters as the way we will have to do it as well now that we have a 100 million dollar QB. They don't retain old vets and pay them monster sized contracts. They start a lot more young players. I think Rooney is right on the money with this staff needing to get the young guys ready to go much sooner than we are used to. This isn't the Steelers with Kordell or Maddox at the helm. This is the Steelers with a franchise QB. The Steelers are constantly mentioned as having one of the best front offices in football, well now it is time to see just how good they are in getting creative with their roster.

I think Colbert allowing our defense to age without supplying the young guns to learn and step in when the old vets contracts are up is going to start hurting us.

Hampton is a 2 down player and I wouldn't overpay to keep him just because we don't have a young guy being groomed. Sorry, but with contracts due to Holmes, Timmons, Woodley looming in the near future, no way to I bow to the demands of Casey and he is going to look to cash in. If he gives the Steelers a hometown discount then we are talking about two different things here but I have a hard time seeing that happen.

feltdizz
01-24-2010, 07:49 PM
Great points by Chadman and Mister P. I read MP first and agree on the money situation but doesn't the uncapped season give us more room? I'm asking, I have no idea.

I'm leaning towards Chadman though.. one of the main requirements of an NT is weight. I have yet to see his weight hurt his game. He is the number #1 NT in the league. We have seen what losing a dominant lineman does to a team. He is worth it.

Shoe
01-24-2010, 10:32 PM
To all the comments about him being "the #1 NT in the league". I'm not necessarily disputing that (it's certainly arguable). But it's not like he is the best among a great group these days. I'm also gonna make a bit of a distinction, when you compare him to large monsters like Ted Washington and Sam Adams... Hampton is a stump. The other two were much rangier, and I would guess that that added ranginess can prolong your career when your legs leave you. Can you give me a stumpy NT (or any DT for that matter) who has been able to extend their career into their mid/late 30's)?

I'm for the one-year non-exclusive thing.

Overpaying for an aging star is something the Steelers don't do; it's what's kept us on top and competitive all this time... and I don't think you make that exception for Casey I like to eat lots of Hampton.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
01-25-2010, 11:17 AM
If you can't get a deal done...He has to be tagged. His opening day replacement will not come from the Steelers first pick. They might get a kid who can start later in the year but that is too big of a gamble.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-25-2010, 11:30 AM
Great points by Chadman and Mister P. I read MP first and agree on the money situation but doesn't the uncapped season give us more room? I'm asking, I have no idea.

I'm leaning towards Chadman though.. one of the main requirements of an NT is weight. I have yet to see his weight hurt his game. He is the number #1 NT in the league. We have seen what losing a dominant lineman does to a team. He is worth it.

I just don't agree with signing old players just because we don't have replacements. Hampton missed most the season 2 years ago and Hoke played fine. Signing these old dudes is not the way to go unless they are VERY Steelers friendly deals.

Colbert needs to pick up his prospect evaluation because his crappy drafts over the past half dozen years is why we have nobody being groomed behind these guys.

RuthlessBurgher
01-25-2010, 11:37 AM
Great points by Chadman and Mister P. I read MP first and agree on the money situation but doesn't the uncapped season give us more room? I'm asking, I have no idea.

I'm leaning towards Chadman though.. one of the main requirements of an NT is weight. I have yet to see his weight hurt his game. He is the number #1 NT in the league. We have seen what losing a dominant lineman does to a team. He is worth it.

I just don't agree with signing old players just because we don't have replacements. Hampton missed most the season 2 years ago and Hoke played fine. Signing these old dudes is not the way to go unless they are VERY Steelers friendly deals.

Colbert needs to pick up his prospect evaluation because his crappy drafts over the past half dozen years is why we have nobody being groomed behind these guys.

That wasn't two years ago (he played 13 games in 2008). It was all the way back in 2004 that Hampton was limited to only 6 games. Every other season he played in 15 or 16 games.

feltdizz
01-25-2010, 11:55 AM
Great points by Chadman and Mister P. I read MP first and agree on the money situation but doesn't the uncapped season give us more room? I'm asking, I have no idea.

I'm leaning towards Chadman though.. one of the main requirements of an NT is weight. I have yet to see his weight hurt his game. He is the number #1 NT in the league. We have seen what losing a dominant lineman does to a team. He is worth it.

I just don't agree with signing old players just because we don't have replacements. Hampton missed most the season 2 years ago and Hoke played fine. Signing these old dudes is not the way to go unless they are VERY Steelers friendly deals.

Colbert needs to pick up his prospect evaluation because his crappy drafts over the past half dozen years is why we have nobody being groomed behind these guys.

we definitely need to groom a young guy at NT... but until we do we have a pro bowler at NT. It's not like NT is a position that demands young legs or movement in space. The age and durability you talk of has A.Smith written all over it and Hood is being groomed.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-25-2010, 11:56 AM
Great points by Chadman and Mister P. I read MP first and agree on the money situation but doesn't the uncapped season give us more room? I'm asking, I have no idea.

I'm leaning towards Chadman though.. one of the main requirements of an NT is weight. I have yet to see his weight hurt his game. He is the number #1 NT in the league. We have seen what losing a dominant lineman does to a team. He is worth it.

I just don't agree with signing old players just because we don't have replacements. Hampton missed most the season 2 years ago and Hoke played fine. Signing these old dudes is not the way to go unless they are VERY Steelers friendly deals.

Colbert needs to pick up his prospect evaluation because his crappy drafts over the past half dozen years is why we have nobody being groomed behind these guys.

That wasn't two years ago (he played 13 games in 2008). It was all the way back in 2004 that Hampton was limited to only 6 games. Every other season he played in 15 or 16 games.

My timing was off on when he stepped in, but my point still stands. He can play. No need to resign Casey investing dollars in a multi year deal. Same with Clark. Absolutely HAVE to start grooming young talent. We were forced to sign Clark in free agency because we had no replacement for Chris Hope. Now we are goign to be forced to resign Clark cause we have no replacement. Had to resign Farrior cause we have no replacement.

How many old, high priced free agents do you see the Colts & Patriots signing? You see them resigning their old free agents????

Oviedo
01-25-2010, 12:03 PM
[quote=feltdizz]Great points by Chadman and Mister P. I read MP first and agree on the money situation but doesn't the uncapped season give us more room? I'm asking, I have no idea.

I'm leaning towards Chadman though.. one of the main requirements of an NT is weight. I have yet to see his weight hurt his game. He is the number #1 NT in the league. We have seen what losing a dominant lineman does to a team. He is worth it.

I just don't agree with signing old players just because we don't have replacements. Hampton missed most the season 2 years ago and Hoke played fine. Signing these old dudes is not the way to go unless they are VERY Steelers friendly deals.

Colbert needs to pick up his prospect evaluation because his crappy drafts over the past half dozen years is why we have nobody being groomed behind these guys.

That wasn't two years ago (he played 13 games in 2008). It was all the way back in 2004 that Hampton was limited to only 6 games. Every other season he played in 15 or 16 games.

My timing was off on when he stepped in, but my point still stands. He can play. No need to resign Casey investing dollars in a multi year deal. Same with Clark. Absolutely HAVE to start grooming young talent. We were forced to sign Clark in free agency because we had no replacement for Chris Hope. Now we are goign to be forced to resign Clark cause we have no replacement. Had to resign Farrior cause we have no replacement.

How many old, high priced free agents do you see the Colts & Patriots signing? You see them resigning their old free agents????[/quote:p1vv40sr]

It's not the LeBeau way to let young players play and therefore develop. That is why we have no depth on the DL as players like Ryan McBean, Orien Harris, etc has been let go because they convert to play 3-4 DL requirements.

feltdizz
01-25-2010, 12:10 PM
Clark, Farrior, Carter, Deshea.... All these guys need to go. Clark is tricky because when Troy is in Clark isn't a problem.

NT is not a position that concerns me regarding age...

RuthlessBurgher
01-25-2010, 01:16 PM
[quote=feltdizz]Great points by Chadman and Mister P. I read MP first and agree on the money situation but doesn't the uncapped season give us more room? I'm asking, I have no idea.

I'm leaning towards Chadman though.. one of the main requirements of an NT is weight. I have yet to see his weight hurt his game. He is the number #1 NT in the league. We have seen what losing a dominant lineman does to a team. He is worth it.

I just don't agree with signing old players just because we don't have replacements. Hampton missed most the season 2 years ago and Hoke played fine. Signing these old dudes is not the way to go unless they are VERY Steelers friendly deals.

Colbert needs to pick up his prospect evaluation because his crappy drafts over the past half dozen years is why we have nobody being groomed behind these guys.

That wasn't two years ago (he played 13 games in 2008). It was all the way back in 2004 that Hampton was limited to only 6 games. Every other season he played in 15 or 16 games.

My timing was off on when he stepped in, but my point still stands. He can play. No need to resign Casey investing dollars in a multi year deal. Same with Clark. Absolutely HAVE to start grooming young talent. We were forced to sign Clark in free agency because we had no replacement for Chris Hope. Now we are goign to be forced to resign Clark cause we have no replacement. Had to resign Farrior cause we have no replacement.

How many old, high priced free agents do you see the Colts & Patriots signing? You see them resigning their old free agents????[/quote:3l1d0ftj]

There is a huge difference between saying that Hoke was able fill in effectively 2 years ago and saying that Hoke was able fill in effectively 6 years ago. But I do agree with your general point that we need to start grooming young talent.

The Colts don't typically sign other team's free agents (except for a few years ago when they kept trying to plug their hole at DT with guys like Corey Simon and Booger McFarland), primarily because so much of their cap is eaten up by huge contracts given to Manning, Wayne, Freeney, etc., but New England has always lived by the "sign old free agents" mantra. Just recently did they start a youth movement as a good deal of their core group got older (and they have not been as successful as they were earlier in the decade because they have had some subpar drafts over the past 4 years or so).

Mister Pittsburgh
01-25-2010, 01:28 PM
[quote=feltdizz]Great points by Chadman and Mister P. I read MP first and agree on the money situation but doesn't the uncapped season give us more room? I'm asking, I have no idea.

I'm leaning towards Chadman though.. one of the main requirements of an NT is weight. I have yet to see his weight hurt his game. He is the number #1 NT in the league. We have seen what losing a dominant lineman does to a team. He is worth it.

I just don't agree with signing old players just because we don't have replacements. Hampton missed most the season 2 years ago and Hoke played fine. Signing these old dudes is not the way to go unless they are VERY Steelers friendly deals.

Colbert needs to pick up his prospect evaluation because his crappy drafts over the past half dozen years is why we have nobody being groomed behind these guys.

That wasn't two years ago (he played 13 games in 2008). It was all the way back in 2004 that Hampton was limited to only 6 games. Every other season he played in 15 or 16 games.

My timing was off on when he stepped in, but my point still stands. He can play. No need to resign Casey investing dollars in a multi year deal. Same with Clark. Absolutely HAVE to start grooming young talent. We were forced to sign Clark in free agency because we had no replacement for Chris Hope. Now we are goign to be forced to resign Clark cause we have no replacement. Had to resign Farrior cause we have no replacement.

How many old, high priced free agents do you see the Colts & Patriots signing? You see them resigning their old free agents????

There is a huge difference between saying that Hoke was able fill in effectively 2 years ago and saying that Hoke was able fill in effectively 6 years ago. But I do agree with your general point that we need to start grooming young talent.

The Colts don't typically sign other team's free agents (except for a few years ago when they kept trying to plug their hole at DT with guys like Corey Simon and Booger McFarland), primarily because so much of their cap is eaten up by huge contracts given to Manning, Wayne, Freeney, etc., but New England has always lived by the "sign old free agents" mantra. Just recently did they start a youth movement as a good deal of their core group got older (and they have not been as successful as they were earlier in the decade because they have had some subpar drafts over the past 4 years or so).[/quote:2l7ii9w5]

The Pats signed old free agents CHEAPLY. They were looking for SB rings. For some reason I haven't seen our rings lure guys in to sign with us. Not that I want us to sign old guys. Even our own.

Colbert needs to get on the ball and hit on a lot of picks this year. We are pretty much forced to resign Clark as there is nobody ready to step in. We were forced to sign Clark because there was nobody ready to step in for Chris Hope. If one of our OLB goes down we are screwed. We were screwed when Troy went down. Key Fox can play ILB but there is really nobody behind him if something happened to Timmons and Farrior.

Wonder if we could dangle Troy in front of Al Davis old nose for 2 first rounders? :D

RuthlessBurgher
01-25-2010, 01:33 PM
Wonder if we could dangle Troy in front of Al Davis old nose for 2 first rounders? :D

Al Davis already traded his 2011 first round pick to New England in the Richard Seymour deal. What a dolt.