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Shoe
01-17-2010, 08:41 PM
I know it's been well-proven with these two guys... but after today's developments, it's pretty much 100% confirmed.

You simply CAN NOT continue with these guys at the helm, if you expect to truly challenge for a Super Bowl.

BURGH86STEEL
01-17-2010, 08:45 PM
Hold up a minute, Chargers have a chance.

Shoe
01-17-2010, 08:52 PM
Hold up a minute, Chargers have a chance.

:roll:
Whether they win this or not, they have a vastly superior football team, an experienced playoff roster, home-field, and are well-rested. I know the Jets have a borderline dominant D, but all those other factors should be enough to get you through this round 8 times out of 10.

BURGH86STEEL
01-17-2010, 09:00 PM
Hold up a minute, Chargers have a chance.

:roll:
Whether they win this or not, they have a vastly superior football team, an experienced playoff roster, home-field, and are well-rested. I know the Jets have a borderline dominant D, but all those other factors should be enough to get you through this round 8 times out of 10.

Not sure they have a vastly superior football team. I like to think all teams have the talent to win in the NFL. I guess if we have learned anything over the years it that experience, home field, and being well rested does not mean anything in the playoffs. Especially when the players give the ball away.

Well game over. Jets live to fight another day.

Shoe
01-17-2010, 09:06 PM
Hold up a minute, Chargers have a chance.

:roll:
Whether they win this or not, they have a vastly superior football team, an experienced playoff roster, home-field, and are well-rested. I know the Jets have a borderline dominant D, but all those other factors should be enough to get you through this round 8 times out of 10.

Not sure they have a vastly superior football team. I like to think all teams have the talent to win in the NFL. I guess if we have learned anything over the years it that experience, home field, and being well rested does not mean anything in the playoffs. Especially when the players give the ball away.

Well game over. Jets live to fight another day.

Are you serious?
I mean I'm don't want to get into a huge debate about this game, but...

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME.

"Experience, home-field, and rest" does not mean anything? How many first-time playoff teams (as opposed to teams knocking at the game every year) break through and win on their first shot?

How many teams with a rookie QB have gotten to the SB?

How many wild-card teams win the SB?

BURGH86STEEL
01-17-2010, 09:21 PM
Hold up a minute, Chargers have a chance.

:roll:
Whether they win this or not, they have a vastly superior football team, an experienced playoff roster, home-field, and are well-rested. I know the Jets have a borderline dominant D, but all those other factors should be enough to get you through this round 8 times out of 10.

Not sure they have a vastly superior football team. I like to think all teams have the talent to win in the NFL. I guess if we have learned anything over the years it that experience, home field, and being well rested does not mean anything in the playoffs. Especially when the players give the ball away.

Well game over. Jets live to fight another day.

Are you serious?
I mean I'm don't want to get into a huge debate about this game, but...

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME.

"Experience, home-field, and rest" does not mean anything? How many first-time playoff teams (as opposed to teams knocking at the game every year) break through and win on their first shot?

How many teams with a rookie QB have gotten to the SB?

How many wild-card teams win the SB?

I don't believe any rookie QB's have made it to the SB. That would be a first if the Jets can defeat the Colts.

The Giants and Steelers were the last two wild card teams to win the SB. The wild card Eagles and Ravens were in the conference championship games last season.

I said all those things don't mean anything because the league is to a point where any team that makes the playoffs can win the SB. It may not be the "norm" but it can happen. Upsets happen all the time. That was my point.

anger 82&95
01-17-2010, 10:00 PM
"Norv" is a consummate choke-king, but some blame has to fall on the Charger's kicker, the dude looked like Ray Finkle out there tonight...

feltdizz
01-17-2010, 10:09 PM
"Norv" is a consummate choke-king, but some blame has to fall on the Charger's kicker, the dude looked like Ray Finkle out there tonight...

I can't say the Chargers choked. The Jets D is tough. They blitz every down.

RuthlessBurgher
01-17-2010, 10:34 PM
"Norv" is a consummate choke-king, but some blame has to fall on the Charger's kicker, the dude looked like Ray Finkle out there tonight...

Kaeding is Einhorn! Einhorn is Kaeding!

***Cue "Crying Game" Music***

anger 82&95
01-17-2010, 11:13 PM
"Norv" is a consummate choke-king, but some blame has to fall on the Charger's kicker, the dude looked like Ray Finkle out there tonight...

I can't say the Chargers choked. The Jets D is tough. They blitz every down.Numerous false starts, a snap over the QB's head, three missed FGs and the untimely personal foul by Phillips... not very focused.

Starlifter
01-18-2010, 12:09 AM
i don't know that you can blame norv for all the mental errors BUT you can certainly blame him for having the 31st ranked run offense in the NFL. He's always been a west coast pass happy kinda guy and I just think that is not the way to win a championship. when you combine that with some of his other shortcomings it's not very surprising he has not had a good playoff record. Teams that rely almost exclusively on the pass can have some success but as we've all heard, 3 things happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad. sooner or later it catches up.

how many interceptions did sanchez throw today?....... :stirpot :stirpot

feltdizz
01-18-2010, 12:12 AM
i don't know that you can blame norv for all the mental errors BUT you can certainly blame him for having the 31st ranked run offense in the NFL. He's always been a west coast pass happy kinda guy and I just think that is not the way to win a championship. when you combine that with some of his other shortcomings it's not very surprising he has not had a good playoff record. Teams that rely almost exclusively on the pass can have some success but as we've all heard, 3 things happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad. sooner or later it catches up.

how many interceptions did sanchez throw today?....... :stirpot :stirpot

none in the playoffs I think...

I like the Saints balance on offense.. they run just as much as they pass.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-18-2010, 12:18 AM
i don't know that you can blame norv for all the mental errors BUT you can certainly blame him for having the 31st ranked run offense in the NFL. He's always been a west coast pass happy kinda guy and I just think that is not the way to win a championship. when you combine that with some of his other shortcomings it's not very surprising he has not had a good playoff record. Teams that rely almost exclusively on the pass can have some success but as we've all heard, 3 things happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad. sooner or later it catches up.

how many interceptions did sanchez throw today?....... :stirpot :stirpot

none in the playoffs I think...

I like the Saints balance on offense.. they run just as much as they pass.

I think he threw one, a boneheaded pass. The Chargers looked to be in good field position, but then they turned the ball over almost immediately.

A lot of things had to go just right for the Jets to win today, and every one of them did. Unless they are the Steelers of SB XL, or XLIII, the Jets' run will end next week.

But we can hope!!!

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!

Shoe
01-18-2010, 12:46 AM
i don't know that you can blame norv for all the mental errors...

You've got to be kidding with that statement.
I can see mental errors affecting a young team, or a overachieving team, with any coach. But when you have pretty much every concievable edge save for defense... you telling me that Belicheat*, or Chuck Noll's 70's teams would perform like that?

San Diego is that much better than the Jets.

SteelAbility
01-18-2010, 08:07 AM
i don't know that you can blame norv for all the mental errors...

You've got to be kidding with that statement.
I can see mental errors affecting a young team, or a overachieving team, with any coach. But when you have pretty much every concievable edge save for defense... you telling me that Belicheat*, or Chuck Noll's 70's teams would perform like that?

San Diego is that much better than the Jets.


In the "divisional prediction post" some guy was on there saying Rivers will have his way with the Jets D. I didn't say it in these words, but I was thinking "The Jets have the #1 D. That has to count for something."

Apparently not. They also had home field and a week of rest. Those have to count for something in the analysis. :stirpot

SteelAbility
01-18-2010, 08:40 AM
You can blame Turner for the onside kick decision. It's simple to think it through ...

2:14 on the clock
Kick off long about 5 seconds go off the clock
2:09 and the ball around the 28 yard line
Jets pretty much have to run, making the D job much easier
1st down - Run; no timeout, let it run to 2:00 (if you call TO then you give the Jets the option of the pass on 2nd down before 2:00)
2nd down - run; timeout
1:55
3rd down run stopped short of 1st; ball around the 36 yard line
clock runs down to about 1:10 before the punt
Punt for 40 yards net, another 9 seconds off the clock
Ball at your own 24 with 1:01 and no timeouts (the chances aren't that bad)

Turner didn't think about the case of 4th and very short - a no-brainer punt if the ball is on the Jets side of the field. With the ball at the SD 30 ... well ...

Iron Shiek
01-18-2010, 12:38 PM
"Norv" is a consummate choke-king, but some blame has to fall on the Charger's kicker, the dude looked like Ray Finkle out there tonight...

Kaeding is Einhorn! Einhorn is Kaeding!

***Cue "Crying Game" Music***



HAHA...I thought the same thing when he said Finkle.

Kaeding....Einhorn, Einhorn...Kaeding!

Shoe
01-18-2010, 04:13 PM
In the "divisional prediction post" some guy was on there saying Rivers will have his way with the Jets D. I didn't say it in these words, but I was thinking "The Jets have the #1 D. That has to count for something."

Apparently not. They also had home field and a week of rest. Those have to count for something in the analysis. :stirpot

Well I never thought Rivers would have his way with the Jets D, but c'mon. You got a team full of veterans... who possibly know this could be their last hurrah. You got a Top 5 QB with a lot of playoff experience... you got home field... and are relatively healthy...

and you're facing a rookie QB at home?

You telling me that Bill Belichick would lose under that circumstance? Or Chuck Noll?

You can heap a large share of blame on the kicker (deservedly), and spread the blame around accordingly. But you (the coach) simply CAN NOT lose that game. It CAN'T happen.

It's like in Cowher's early years. In his 1st season, we were #1 seed, but we weren't playoff tested, and the veteran Buffalo Bills came in and stomped us. That is urgency meeting opportunity. So the next year (or year after, I forget) we are again very good, and we have an inferior SD team (THAT game is a good parallel), we allow them to hang around hang around hang around, and boom--that sorry a$s Tim McKyer gets burned when he has no business getting beat deep in that situation.

Those heartaches build character. More importantly, guys get that urgency. You've felt the pain, and you also feel like.. when the opportunity comes again--THAT YOU HAVE TO SEIZE IT RIGHT NOW.

It's why Tomlinson made that Super Bowl shuffle video thing (if you've seen it). Guys are that confident... not overconfident... but they know they have what it takes... and they know that "hey, this could be it for me."

So then to come and lose to that team? The worst team in the playoffs? That's just inexcusable, I'm sorry... and given his history, Norv gets the lion's share of the blame (after Kaeding of corse).

SteelAbility
01-18-2010, 04:26 PM
In the "divisional prediction post" some guy was on there saying Rivers will have his way with the Jets D. I didn't say it in these words, but I was thinking "The Jets have the #1 D. That has to count for something."

Apparently not. They also had home field and a week of rest. Those have to count for something in the analysis. :stirpot

Well I never thought Rivers would have his way with the Jets D, but c'mon. You got a team full of veterans... who possibly know this could be their last hurrah. You got a Top 5 QB with a lot of playoff experience... you got home field... and are relatively healthy...

and you're facing a rookie QB at home?

You telling me that Bill Belichick would lose under that circumstance? Or Chuck Noll?

You can heap a large share of blame on the kicker (deservedly), and spread the blame around accordingly. But you (the coach) simply CAN NOT lose that game. It CAN'T happen.

It's like in Cowher's early years. In his 1st season, we were #1 seed, but we weren't playoff tested, and the veteran Buffalo Bills came in and stomped us. That is urgency meeting opportunity. So the next year (or year after, I forget) we are again very good, and we have an inferior SD team (THAT game is a good parallel), we allow them to hang around hang around hang around, and boom--that sorry a$s Tim McKyer gets burned when he has no business getting beat deep in that situation.

Those heartaches build character. More importantly, guys get that urgency. You've felt the pain, and you also feel like.. when the opportunity comes again--THAT YOU HAVE TO SEIZE IT RIGHT NOW.

It's why Tomlinson made that Super Bowl shuffle video thing (if you've seen it). Guys are that confident... not overconfident... but they know they have what it takes... and they know that "hey, this could be it for me."

So then to come and lose to that team? The worst team in the playoffs? That's just inexcusable, I'm sorry... and given his history, Norv gets the lion's share of the blame (after Kaeding of corse).

Not from where I'm watching.

The Jets were gifted into the playoffs, but obviously they belong. Like I said, having the #1 D HAS to count for something!?

The Jets lost some very tough games, most notable of which was to Buffalo where they had a game-winning FG in OT if not for a ticky-tack (and IMO phantom) holding call. They also missed 3 FGs against the Falcons that were all normally converted to lose 10-7. So, take 1 away (the Colts) and give 2. They were a legitimate 10-6 quality team against a relatively tough schedule.

Add to that the fact that Sanchez played his worst football in COLD weather. That's really where he got all his picks that cost them games. Now he's cleaned that up, got it out of his system, or whatever you want to call it.

Revis is shutting down half of teams passing games. They have given up 8 passing TDs all season. They have the #1 ground game in the league. All of that points to being legitimately in the game all the way to the end. It is actually helping them now that Sanchez can play in a dome where the cold can't bother him.

NorthCoast
01-18-2010, 10:46 PM
I found it quite interesting that two one-dimensional teams advanced at least one round in the playoffs. To me it goes to show that a good defense trumps a good offense 9 out of 10 times.

Both Baltimore and Jets have no passing game to speak of and clearly the opponent's defense knew the run game was coming and yet they could not stop it. Kind reminds me of the 'old' Steelers offense.....keep it close and rely on the D to close it out.