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steelblood
01-13-2010, 09:14 AM
I'm not a huge stat guy. I believe that they usually don't tell the full story. However, I noticed throughout the season that the Steelers' offense played really well against 3-4 teams. Now, I'm sure some will say that we run a 3-4 defense so our offense is used to it. That may be true, but our offense's success against the 3-4 only seems to be growing. Maybe our guards get exposed against good 4-3 DTs. Maybe Hartwig is not good in space against 4-3 MLBs. Whatever it is, the difference in offensive production is surprising. Here are our 2009 results for Rush yards and Net yards against 4-3 and 3-4 teams.

Games against 4-3 teams…

Tenn – Rush -36 Net 357
Chi- Rush 105, Net 308
Cin- Rush 102, Net 373
Det- Rush 82, Net 344
Minn- Rush 107, Net 259
Cin- Rush 80, Net 226
Oak- Rush132, Net 401
Total- Rush avg. 92, Net avg. 324

Games against 3-4 teams…

SD- Rush 177, Net 497
Cle- Rush 140, Net 543
Den- Rush 173 Net 375
KC- Rush 114, Net 516
Balt- Rush 153, Net 298
Cle- Rush 77, Net 218
GB- Rush 65, Net 537
Balt- Rush 48, Net 286
Mia Rush 202, Net 403
Total-Rush avg. 128, Net avg. 408

Even though our worst game was against a 3-4 defense (Cleveland the 2nd time), we averaged 36 more yards per game rushing and 86 more yards total against 3-4 defenses. Our five best rushing games and five best total net yardage games came against a 3-4 defense. In 7 of the 9 games against 3-4 defenses, we either had a top five rushing game or a top five net yardage game.

BTW, next season we play only seven 3-4 defenses, down from nine this season.

stlrz d
01-13-2010, 09:43 AM
I agree with you...numbers never do tell the whole story. :P

steelblood
01-13-2010, 09:50 AM
I agree with you...numbers never do tell the whole story. :P

Funny, but the trend is undeniable.

stlrz d
01-13-2010, 09:59 AM
I agree with you...numbers never do tell the whole story. :P

Funny, but the trend is undeniable.

Too many variables. Weather. Game situations. Score. Injuries. Etc, etc, etc.

Just one example for you...that first Baltimore game. No Ben meant we were going to run the hell out of the ball no matter what kind of D we faced.

Baseball is a game of numbers...football is a game of the eyeballs.

steelblood
01-13-2010, 10:15 AM
[quote="stlrz d":ifqbmt67]I agree with you...numbers never do tell the whole story. :P

Funny, but the trend is undeniable.

Too many variables. Weather. Game situations. Score. Injuries. Etc, etc, etc.

Just one example for you...that first Baltimore game. No Ben meant we were going to run the hell out of the ball no matter what kind of D we faced.

Baseball is a game of numbers...football is a game of the eyeballs.[/quote:ifqbmt67]

Yes, and my eyeballs told me we were moving the ball better against 3-4 teams. That is why I looked up the stats.

pfelix73
01-13-2010, 05:04 PM
Here's one reason why- it's easier to zone block against a 3-4. Interior anyway, cause your zoning against the NG and the LB.

SteelTorch
01-13-2010, 05:21 PM
There you go. The stats are undeniable. We should switch to the 4-3. Superbowl 41, here we come! :stirpot

feltdizz
01-13-2010, 06:18 PM
I'm not a stat hound... but I see nothing wrong with using stats in a thread to try to make a point. We all watch the games.. well, most of us.

SteelTorch
01-13-2010, 06:35 PM
I'm not a stat hound... but I see nothing wrong with using stats in a thread to try to make a point. We all watch the games.. well, most of us.
And yet, to you they don't seem to matter when they're not in Arian's favor.... :stirpot

That's all I'll say, for the purpose of not derailing this thread. :P

steelblood
01-14-2010, 08:50 AM
There you go. The stats are undeniable. We should switch to the 4-3. Superbowl 41, here we come! :stirpot

Missing the playoffs turns everyone into a jacka$$ (me included).

costanza2k1
01-14-2010, 09:38 AM
There you go. The stats are undeniable. We should switch to the 4-3. Superbowl 41, here we come! :stirpot

Missing the playoffs turns everyone into a jacka$$ (me included).

SB 41 is in the past. :P

Oviedo
01-14-2010, 09:53 AM
Our opponents last year played pretty suceessfully against our 3-4 defense too!!!!!! :stirpot

SteelTorch
01-14-2010, 12:44 PM
There you go. The stats are undeniable. We should switch to the 4-3. Superbowl 41, here we come! :stirpot

Missing the playoffs turns everyone into a jacka$$ (me included).

SB 41 is in the past. :P
SB 45...my bad. :lol:


Our opponents last year played pretty suceessfully against our 3-4 defense too!!!!!! :stirpot
The 4-3 is not better than the 3-4. Deal with it. :moon

feltdizz
01-14-2010, 12:48 PM
There you go. The stats are undeniable. We should switch to the 4-3. Superbowl 41, here we come! :stirpot

Missing the playoffs turns everyone into a jacka$$ (me included).

SB 41 is in the past. :P
LMFAO

RuthlessBurgher
01-14-2010, 01:22 PM
There you go. The stats are undeniable. We should switch to the 4-3. Superbowl 41, here we come! :stirpot

Missing the playoffs turns everyone into a jacka$$ (me included).

SB 41 is in the past. :P

If Jiga wrote it, it would have been okay. :wink:

feltdizz
01-14-2010, 02:44 PM
I'm not a stat hound... but I see nothing wrong with using stats in a thread to try to make a point. We all watch the games.. well, most of us.
And yet, to you they don't seem to matter when they're not in Arian's favor.... :stirpot

That's all I'll say, for the purpose of not derailing this thread. :P
Get off the train... walk around a little bit. You don't have to stay on one track all off-season.