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SidSmythe
01-11-2010, 03:47 PM
Does anyone see two similar players???

-both drop big time passes, but Edwards keeps getting on the field & Sweed doesn't.

If you ask me, when Sweed has been out there he's gotten open, just couldn't finish the plays .... Edwards too can get open but fails to make the catch.

Are the Steelers too impatient or just want perfection??? or am I missing something here???

pittpete
01-11-2010, 03:51 PM
Is it impatience or perhaps an attitude problem for Sweed?
Honestly we as fans aren't at practices and meeting so it could be anything.
IMHO we really havnt given him a chance.

MeetJoeGreene
01-11-2010, 03:53 PM
Does anyone see two similar players???

-both drop big time passes, but Edwards keeps getting on the field & Sweed doesn't.

If you ask me, when Sweed has been out there he's gotten open, just couldn't finish the plays .... Edwards too can get open but fails to make the catch.

Are the Steelers too impatient or just want perfection??? or am I missing something here???

Yes.
1.) We had a potential blooming star in Wallace that we couldn't keep off the field. And it worked That limited the reps Sweed received.

2.) Sweed (probably) just gave up and cashed it in - not putting forth effort in practice leading to his IR.

SteelAbility
01-11-2010, 03:55 PM
Well, the sample set on Sweed is pretty small right now, so you can't really tell what his long-term drop % is. Unfortunately for him, he picked two really big plays to demonstrate his drop skills.

That being said, I'd be up for a straight-up Sweed-for-Edwards trade. :P

SteelAbility
01-11-2010, 03:56 PM
Is it impatience or perhaps an attitude problem for Sweed?
Honestly we as fans aren't at practices and meeting so it could be anything.
IMHO we really havnt given him a chance.

If you were to ask Sweed if his problem is ignorance or apathy, you'd probably get an "I don't know and I don't care" response. ;)

steelblood
01-11-2010, 03:57 PM
Too impatient? He is still on the team even though he dropped two sure TDs in playoff games and cost us that game in Cincy this season. He has dropped almost every big pass thrown to him. Lord knows what his mystery illness was/is. Dude is still here and will be in camp. The Browns played Edwards because 1. he was a top ten pick, 2. the are talent poor at WR, 3. Edwards actually produced and in many games was effective. Maybe if Sweed would have caught ONE of those TDs, he'd bet more opportunities.

feltdizz
01-11-2010, 04:02 PM
Change the title to Grisham vs. Sweed and we can talk :wink:

I wouldn't be surprised if depression was Sweed's illness. I won't touch it because I think those 2 drops changed his career path. He can still bounce back but a ton of players spiral down real hard. It could be serious. Wallace emerging can't help his confidence either.

steelsnis
01-11-2010, 04:17 PM
Sweed (probably) just gave up and cashed it in - not putting forth effort in practice leading to his IR.

That's not necessarily the case. From reports I've read (Lolley, Bouchette, Bires, etc), Sweed is a very hard worker in practice and by all accounts a really good kid.

I'm leaning with you feltdizz on the depression angle. My guess is when he dropped that TD against Cincy and got put on the bench, he couldn't figure out the right way to deal. He's got one more shot next season. Let's hope he makes the most of it.

feltdizz
01-11-2010, 04:25 PM
Sweed (probably) just gave up and cashed it in - not putting forth effort in practice leading to his IR.

That's not necessarily the case. From reports I've read (Lolley, Bouchette, Bires, etc), Sweed is a very hard worker in practice and by all accounts a really good kid.

I'm leaning with you feltdizz on the depression angle. My guess is when he dropped that TD against Cincy and got put on the bench, he couldn't figure out the right way to deal. He's got one more shot next season. Let's hope he makes the most of it.

He will need a Holmes/Wallace game winning TD catch in every playoff game to ever get over the drops. 2 playoff drops and a huge Cincy drop.. hard to overcome.

papillon
01-11-2010, 04:43 PM
Sweed (probably) just gave up and cashed it in - not putting forth effort in practice leading to his IR.

That's not necessarily the case. From reports I've read (Lolley, Bouchette, Bires, etc), Sweed is a very hard worker in practice and by all accounts a really good kid.

I'm leaning with you feltdizz on the depression angle. My guess is when he dropped that TD against Cincy and got put on the bench, he couldn't figure out the right way to deal. He's got one more shot next season. Let's hope he makes the most of it.

He will need a Holmes/Wallace game winning TD catch in every playoff game to ever get over the drops. 2 playoff drops and a huge Cincy drop.. hard to overcome.

All he needs is to be successful on some level to get his confidence back. The only reason I continue to want to give him a chance is because he gets open so easy. He's made catches in traffic during pre-season, so I'm certain he can catch. All he needs is to have some success and he'll do fine. I'm hoping he turns it around next year.

By all accounts he works hard in practice and is a good kid; I want him to succeed. I'd hate for two drops to destroy his career with the Steelers.

Pappy

Oviedo
01-11-2010, 04:47 PM
Change the title to Grisham vs. Sweed and we can talk :wink:

I wouldn't be surprised if depression was Sweed's illness. I won't touch it because I think those 2 drops changed his career path. He can still bounce back but a ton of players spiral down real hard. It could be serious. Wallace emerging can't help his confidence either.

I have to agree that Sweed was probably having issues with depression which is why it wasn't discussed. If you recall since his rookie year it was widely written that Sweed put lots of pressure on himself. He was always reported to have a very good work ethic so one has to figure he was having problems dealing with failure. Hope he gets this sorted out because he always seemed like a fine young man.

phillyesq
01-11-2010, 04:49 PM
Change the title to Grisham vs. Sweed and we can talk :wink:

I wouldn't be surprised if depression was Sweed's illness. I won't touch it because I think those 2 drops changed his career path. He can still bounce back but a ton of players spiral down real hard. It could be serious. Wallace emerging can't help his confidence either.

It wouldn't surprise me either. I hate to speculate, but it makes a lot of sense. The Steelers staying so tight-lipped about the situation lets us know that it is clearly something personal, and not football related. If it was a physical non-football injury, I don't think they'd be so tight lipped. I also read that he showed up to practice towards the end of the year, and I remember somebody (Santonio?) really seemed to emphasize that he was joking and laughing. Emphasizing laughter, etc. makes sense if Sweed was depressed.

As for Sweed vs. Edwards, the big difference is track record. Edwards has averaged 15.5 ypc for his career, and he has one monster season to his credit. I still haven't given up on Sweed, but next year is obviously his make or break season.

ikestops85
01-11-2010, 05:00 PM
Ricky Williams suffers from depression

Vince Young suffers from depression

Limas Sweed suffers from depression?

We better not draft anymore of those UT players. :moon


and put Tony Hill on a 24 hour watch also. :)

RuthlessBurgher
01-11-2010, 05:07 PM
Ricky Williams suffers from depression

Vince Young suffers from depression

Limas Sweed suffers from depression?

We better not draft anymore of those UT players. :moon


and put Tony Hill on a 24 hour watch also. :)

Crap! I just changed my sig today with an uber-early mock draft (just to please all of the mock draft lovers we have around here), and my first round pick is a Longhorn! Now I'm depressed. :lol:

NJ-STEELER
01-11-2010, 05:21 PM
casey hampton is depressed























that he cant dance like william Gay

ikestops85
01-11-2010, 05:32 PM
Yes but Casey eats to keep his depression in check (as if we couldn't tell) :lol:

cruzer8
01-11-2010, 05:38 PM
Yes but Casey eats to keep his depression in check (as if we couldn't tell) :lol:

I eat because I'm unhappy. And I'm unhappy because I eat.

RuthlessBurgher
01-11-2010, 05:40 PM
Yes but Casey eats to keep his depression in check (as if we couldn't tell) :lol:

I eat because I'm unhappy. And I'm unhappy because I eat.

You are such a Fat B@st@rd! :wink:

http://pcpsports.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/fat-bastard.jpg

ikestops85
01-11-2010, 06:10 PM
Yes but Casey eats to keep his depression in check (as if we couldn't tell) :lol:

I eat because I'm unhappy. And I'm unhappy because I eat.

You are such a Fat B@st@rd! :wink:

http://pcpsports.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/fat-bastard.jpg
http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10711/OHNOS2.jpg

SidSmythe
01-11-2010, 06:37 PM
You guys crack me up!!

It's just a good thing that Hines keeps producing like he has. Hines is a player (barring injury) can stand the test of time as long as they move him around and not let him get jammed at the LOS. Hines never had speed, he just finds holes in the zone.

Having said that, Hines could be one play away from having a long term injury and I really hope Sweed can get rid of this depression about Casey Hampton not being able to dance like Willie Gay. But if he only knew that the players gather around Willie Gay b/c they are laughing at him to get him to dance, he'd not be so depressed.

williar
01-11-2010, 06:44 PM
I would like to see Sweed get more chances to catch the ball. It is really a shame he has to be judged so harshly on 2 or 3 dropped balls. How many times has he been thrown to, maybe 5 or 6 times in real games. I remember Desean Jackson dropping some clutch passes early on, but philly never gave up on him. Ive seen the best of the best receivers drop some clutch passes. The last thing I want to see is this kid get run out of town, then get picked up by another team who instills some confidence in him, and he blossoms into the receiver we all believed he could be. I believe this kid has got the talent, he just needs a breakout game to get him some confidence. The coaches need to gameplan around this kid in a preseason game or two to help him gain some confidence, and see if he can catch the ball or not.

Slapstick
01-11-2010, 07:38 PM
Personally, I think Sweed contracted the H1N1 virus and the Steelers put him on the reserve list to keep him away from the team and avoid media hoopla.

buckeyehoppy
01-11-2010, 08:26 PM
There are plenty of differences between Limas Sweed and Braying Edwards.

Sweed is a young receiver who needs a confidence injection, both on and off the field. He has talent. But he's squandered the few opportunities he's had to prove himself and has had teammates move past him in terms of development. IMO, Sweed and the Steelers need each other and the fans need this guy to succeed as well, as it will improve the team when he is fully involved with the offense. Sweed is a nice young man, according to much of what I've read about him.

Edwards is a young receiver who has no shortage of confidence, both on and off the field. He has largely realized his talent and has emerged as a star in the NFL. Sure, he has made mistakes. But he is still a go-to guy. Edwards has said that he wasn't "feeling it" in Cleveland, and would probably say the same at some point in New York if things go sour. The fans in New York and Cleveland would, and will, care about him so long as he produces. Edwards is a Grade A @$$HOLE, according to much of what I've read about him.

Shawn
01-11-2010, 11:51 PM
From my understanding...Sweed has been a work horse with a great attitude. However, he seems to be mentally weak...displaying a lack of confidence which ultimately has effected his play.

DHSF
01-12-2010, 12:45 AM
I have a lot of confidence in Sweed. The Steelers FO would be foolish to let him go. 2010 will be his breakout season.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
01-12-2010, 10:50 AM
I'm not 100% sure of all the rules "non football injury list" or PUP list...But I don't believe the league would allow simple "depression" as the reason unless it was preceded by a tramatic incident. These status reserves can't be manipulated by the teams for gain. I feel there is more behind the story...And we may or may not ever know. You hear the rumors of Lyme Disease and the joke of "Lymas" disease but we will just have to let it all come out. If it truely is a disease, the Steelers are not obligated to release the info to anyone but the league office. Everything is kept in confidence.

aggiebones
01-13-2010, 05:31 PM
tu is a stoner's paradise. Beware drafting form there cause they have sooo much talent that none of them need to work hard. And we all know that when you get to the NFL, talent is only half the battle.

As for BEdwards, I laughed at my Jet friend that was excited about Edwards. He thinks he is the world. I told him, they better draft his replacement now. Once he blew his knee and his moves/speed settled a bit, he pedestrian at best and he'll drop too many important passes to be in a strong role. Once moved aside, he'll meltdown on the sideline and begin to pull apart the team. He already dropped a major TD last weekend that could have cost them. The difference between he and Sweed. Edwards has had a great season and there isn't ANY other competition for Edwards on the Jets. Sweed can't succeed in his 4th WR role and he didn't win a job any higher than that?
What should we move Wallace down a peg to 'see' if the great and wonderful Sweed can figure it out? How about push a productive Ward aside for him? I'm not sure what everyone wants us to do for him. Hand holding is junior high, not in the NFL. Not For Long is what the NFL stands for.
He's 6'4" and runs well. There are ALOT of guys that could say that standing on street corners telling stories of woe. Get the job down or move on.
ssssWEED will be back on 6th street in Austin with pipe in hand, but he won't hide like he did in college.