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Pittsburgh
01-07-2010, 02:27 PM
Steelers sign nine to offseason roster
Thursday, January 07, 2010
By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers have signed nine players to their offseason roster, including seven members of their 2009 practice squad and former defensive tackle Scott Paxson.

However, one of the players not signed is former Penn State and Moon High School center A.Q. Shipley, who was on the practice squad.

The practice-squad members signed to the offseason roster are RBs Justin Vincent and Isaac Redman, TE Eugene Bright, WR Jason Chery, S Tuff Harris, DT Steve McCLendon and CB Trae Williams.

Paxson, who spent time on the active roster and practice squad between 2006-2008, was signed along with K Piotr Czech, who was cut in training camp last summer.

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steelblood
01-07-2010, 02:30 PM
How was Czech on kickoffs? Does anyone remember?

Oviedo
01-07-2010, 02:31 PM
I guess signing Czech is an insurance policy in case Reed has another mental lapse. Or is a signal that the organization made it's offer to the "frat boy" and he rejected him so don't expect a second one?

RuthlessBurgher
01-07-2010, 02:31 PM
Interesting that T-Rex Shipley is not on that list. Hopefully that means that they are satisfied with the progress of Legursky and Urbik and the rehab of Stapleton.

Trae Williams was an interesting late season pickup to be a CB prospect, and we should get the same Frank the Tank vs. Redzone Redman showdown in camp this year. With Reed an UFA, having Czech as insurance gives the team a bit of leverage in negotiations.

Pittsburgh
01-07-2010, 02:40 PM
How was Czech on kickoffs? Does anyone remember?

He was booting them deep with no problem in that Buffalo preseason game. Overall, I thought he was impressive. If Reed is unwilling to take the Steelers offer, I would have no problem having him as our kicker.

Unfortunately and according to many in Steelers nation, Jeff Reed is the only FG kicker in the country who can kick FG's at Heinz Field, so we must sign him at all cost. On a related note, the Rooney's are currently dipping into the field of cryonic freezing when it comes to Jeff Reed.

Oviedo
01-07-2010, 02:44 PM
How was Czech on kickoffs? Does anyone remember?

He was booting them deep with no problem in that Buffalo preseason game. I thought he was impressive. If Reed is unwilling to take the Steelers offer, I would have no problem having him as our kicker.

Unfortunately and according to many in Steelers nation, Jeff Reed is the only FG kicker in the country who can kick FG's at Heinz Field, so we must sign him at all cost. On a related note, the Rooney's are currently dipping into the field of cryonic freezing when it comes to Jeff Reed.

Maybe Reed is the best kicker at Heinz field because he kicks there more than any other kicker in the league, e.g. 8 games per season versus 1 per season. I don't buy the Reed is special train of thought just because Kris Brown wasn't a good kicker and Reed was better.

Pittsburgh
01-07-2010, 02:45 PM
I don't buy the Reed is special train of thought just because Kris Brown wasn't a good kicker and Reed was better.

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one.

phillyesq
01-07-2010, 02:55 PM
I guess signing Czech is an insurance policy in case Reed has another mental lapse. Or is a signal that the organization made it's offer to the "frat boy" and he rejected him so don't expect a second one?

I don't think this means anything except that Czech will be a camp leg next spring. If I recall, he missed at least one very easy and makeable FG in the preseason.

MeetJoeGreene
01-07-2010, 02:57 PM
I still don't see the fascination with Vincent.

Oviedo
01-07-2010, 03:02 PM
I still don't see the fascination with Vincent.

He does what a practice squad player should do...tackling dummy at the running back position. He has a skill set where he can act as a runner or receiver out of the backfield. Don't want Mendy, FWP or Mdwelde being tackling dummies for the first team defense.

However, I'm sure our WR love to play against the "first" team defense. Great confidence builder and probably greatly aided Mike Wallace's development and conficence. :stirpot

Pittsburgh
01-07-2010, 03:05 PM
If I recall, he missed at least one very easy and makeable FG in the preseason.

He made a 44 yarder to seal the deal against the Cards and a 41 yarder against the Redskins. In the Bills game, he made a 34 yarder and booted his first two kickoffs 70 yards deep with returns to the 17 and 18.

He missed a 36 yarder against the Cards and a 40 yarder just right against the Bills.

phillyesq
01-07-2010, 03:18 PM
If I recall, he missed at least one very easy and makeable FG in the preseason.

He made a 44 yarder to seal the deal against the Cards and a 41 yarder against the Redskins. In the Bills game, he made a 34 yarder and booted his first two kickoffs 70 yards deep with returns to the 17 and 18.

He missed a 36 yarder against the Cards and a 40 yarder just right against the Bills.

Did he have very strong winds behind him on the kickoffs in the Bills game, or am I completely wrong on that?

Pittsburgh
01-07-2010, 03:26 PM
Did he have very strong winds behind him on the kickoffs in the Bills game, or am I completely wrong on that?

That I do not recall. I just recall seeing something from Czech that I hardly ever see from Jeff Reed, a kickoff going past the 25 yard line.

steelblood
01-07-2010, 03:29 PM
I reallly want better kickoffs next season. FGs are really important, but I think I'd take a guy who missed 3-5 more than Reed would if that guy could get a lot of touchbacks and make life easier for our coverage teams. I think the points lost on the FGs would at least be a wash if we can eliminate most of the kickoff return TDs (was it 5 this season?)

RuthlessBurgher
01-07-2010, 04:00 PM
Did he have very strong winds behind him on the kickoffs in the Bills game, or am I completely wrong on that?

That I do not recall. I just recall seeing something from Czech that I hardly ever see from Jeff Reed, a kickoff going past the 25 yard line.

I thought it was odd that Reed's leg finally showed up in the last game in Miami with a touchback that went 6-7 yards deep in the endzone, and another kick that was 2-3 yards deep in the endzone that their return guy brought out (but I think our coverage team tackled him around the 18 yard line in that instance).

phillyesq
01-07-2010, 04:10 PM
Interesting that T-Rex Shipley is not on that list.

I'm shocked that the second coming of Mike Webster wasn't added to the roster. But hey, at least we resigned future HOF running back Ike Redmond. :wink:

Pittsburgh
01-07-2010, 04:13 PM
I thought it was odd that Reed's leg finally showed up in the last game in Miami with a touchback that went 6-7 yards deep in the endzone, and another kick that was 2-3 yards deep in the endzone that their return guy brought out (but I think our coverage team tackled him around the 18 yard line in that instance).

Maybe he was sober? :mrgreen:

Jigawatts
01-07-2010, 04:16 PM
I don't think that Jeff Reed is the only person in the world who can or will kick well at
Heinz Field. That, coupled with his off field activities, kind of hints that he's outta here.

I really don't know where he'd end up though because Pittsburgh and the surrounding
areas seem to have the most amount of Sheetz stations.

RuthlessBurgher
01-07-2010, 04:19 PM
I thought it was odd that Reed's leg finally showed up in the last game in Miami with a touchback that went 6-7 yards deep in the endzone, and another kick that was 2-3 yards deep in the endzone that their return guy brought out (but I think our coverage team tackled him around the 18 yard line in that instance).

Maybe he was sober? :mrgreen:

If there is one place in the country to help get you sober, it's South Beach. :wink:

LordVile
01-07-2010, 04:21 PM
Did he have very strong winds behind him on the kickoffs in the Bills game, or am I completely wrong on that?

That I do not recall. I just recall seeing something from Czech that I hardly ever see from Jeff Reed, a kickoff going past the 25 yard line.

I thought it was odd that Reed's leg finally showed up in the last game in Miami with a touchback that went 6-7 yards deep in the endzone, and another kick that was 2-3 yards deep in the endzone that their return guy brought out (but I think our coverage team tackled him around the 18 yard line in that instance).

Yeah, that was weird to finally see the power that was lacking, finally in the last game.

RuthlessBurgher
01-07-2010, 04:21 PM
I don't think that Jeff Reed is the only person in the world who can or will kick well at
Heinz Field. That, coupled with his off field activities, kind of hints that he's outta here.

I really don't know where he'd end up though because Pittsburgh and the surrounding
areas seem to have the most amount of Sheetz stations.

After the Green Bay and Baltimore games in December, I stopped at Sheetz on the way home from Pittsburgh to gas up and for a bathroom break. On both occassions, the towel dispenser in the rest room was empty. Seriously. You can't make stuff like this up. :lol:

Pittsburgh
01-07-2010, 04:28 PM
I don't think that Jeff Reed is the only person in the world who can or will kick well at
Heinz Field. That, coupled with his off field activities, kind of hints that he's outta here.

I really don't know where he'd end up though because Pittsburgh and the surrounding
areas seem to have the most amount of Sheetz stations.

Between hitting on girls who are twenty years younger than him or having to get escorted out of the Igloo club because he refuses to leave after the game is over, I can tell you he will be sorely missed at Mellon Arena. You can bet on that.

That Jeff, such a class act. :lol:

Jigawatts
01-07-2010, 04:28 PM
I don't think that Jeff Reed is the only person in the world who can or will kick well at
Heinz Field. That, coupled with his off field activities, kind of hints that he's outta here.

I really don't know where he'd end up though because Pittsburgh and the surrounding
areas seem to have the most amount of Sheetz stations.

After the Green Bay and Baltimore games in December, I stopped at Sheetz on the way home from Pittsburgh to gas up and for a bathroom break. On both occassions, the towel dispenser in the rest room was empty. Seriously. You can't make stuff like this up. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
01-07-2010, 04:37 PM
I don't think that Jeff Reed is the only person in the world who can or will kick well at
Heinz Field. That, coupled with his off field activities, kind of hints that he's outta here.

I really don't know where he'd end up though because Pittsburgh and the surrounding
areas seem to have the most amount of Sheetz stations.

Between hitting on girls who are twenty years younger than him or having to get escorted out of the Igloo club because he refuses to leave after the game is over, I can tell you he will be sorely missed at Mellon Arena. You can bet on that.

That Jeff, such a class act. :lol:

Well, if Jeff Reed is hitting on 10 year old girls, then his problems run deeper than any of us thought! :shock: :lol:

SteelAbility
01-07-2010, 05:04 PM
I reallly want better kickoffs next season. FGs are really important, but I think I'd take a guy who missed 3-5 more than Reed would if that guy could get a lot of touchbacks and make life easier for our coverage teams. I think the points lost on the FGs would at least be a wash if we can eliminate most of the kickoff return TDs (was it 5 this season?)

You know if you get a guy who can routinely boot it out of the EZ, then a huge chunk of your KR STs practice just went away, allowing those players to practice other things. Just sayin.' There's a TON of value in having a guy who can consistently boot it out of the EZ.

Jigawatts
01-07-2010, 05:09 PM
I reallly want better kickoffs next season. FGs are really important, but I think I'd take a guy who missed 3-5 more than Reed would if that guy could get a lot of touchbacks and make life easier for our coverage teams. I think the points lost on the FGs would at least be a wash if we can eliminate most of the kickoff return TDs (was it 5 this season?)

You know if you get a guy who can routinely boot it out of the EZ, then a huge chunk of your KR STs practice just went away, allowing those players to practice other things. Just sayin.' There's a TON of value in having a guy who can consistently boot it out of the EZ.

The way the Steelers cover, I'd be happy with someone who can boot it out of bounds.

Hopefully that will change this year with a new special teams coach.

Pittsburgh
01-07-2010, 05:12 PM
Well, if Jeff Reed is hitting on 10 year old girls, then his problems run deeper than any of us thought! :shock: :lol:

Well, he's not on the Chris Henry age level when it comes to girls, but he's not far off.

Oh, was that too soon? Maybe? Yes?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
01-08-2010, 10:29 AM
Interesting that T-Rex Shipley is not on that list. Hopefully that means that they are satisfied with the progress of Legursky and Urbik and the rehab of Stapleton.

Trae Williams was an interesting late season pickup to be a CB prospect, and we should get the same Frank the Tank vs. Redzone Redman showdown in camp this year. With Reed an UFA, having Czech as insurance gives the team a bit of leverage in negotiations.

I noticed Shipley wasn't on there too. Here's an article on it.

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sport ... elers.html (http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/january/08/shipleys-future-may-not-be-with-steelers.html)

Shipley's future may not be with Steelers
By: Mike BiresBeaver County Times
Friday January 8, 2010 12:00 AM

PITTSBURGH — A.Q. Shipley’s rookie year with the Steelers was a positive experience. But that doesn’t mean he’ll be back next season.

On Thursday, the Steelers signed seven of their eight practice squad players to their off-season roster. The only practice squad player not signed was Shipley, a center.

“An offer is on the table, but my agent and I are trying to figure out what’s best for me,” said Shipley.

In other words, Shipley wants to play.

On game days next year, the former Moon Area and Penn State standout wants to be in uniform as a member of a 53-man active roster. There are no guarantees that will happen in Pittsburgh. That’s why Shipley and his agent Eric Metz are exploring other options.

For the time being, he is not under contract with the Steelers.

Shipley came to the Steelers as the first of their two seventh-round picks in the 2009 Draft. But with Justin Hartwig entrenched as the starter at center, Shipley was among those released in the final cut on Sept. 5. He was then signed to the practice squad and remained there all season.

The Steelers kept nine offensive linemen, including first-year pro Doug Legursky and rookies Kraig Urbik and Ramon Foster.

As one of three third-round draft picks, Urbik wasn’t going to be cut. Legursky and Foster, both undrafted out of college, had the edge over Shipley because they were able to play two positions. Foster wound up starting four games at left guard due to injuries to Chris Kemoeatu.

But even as a practice squad player, Shipley learned a lot about the pro game.

“It was great,” he said. “Obviously, I was a little disappointed at first about being on the practice squad. I wanted to play. I felt I was good enough to play. I thought I played well enough in the preseason. But it just didn’t work out.

“Still, from a first-year perspective, I think things went pretty well. I was able to go against (nose tackle) Casey Hampton, a Pro Bowler, every day in practice. I was able to practice against some good linebackers. I was able to get some more reps at guard and learn the system a little bit more. I put on about 10-to-15 pounds. So, yeah, it was a great experience.”

Playing on the practice squad did cost Shipley some cash. Had he made the active roster, he would have been paid $310,000, the NFL minimum for a first-year player. Practice squad players make around $88,400.

Shipley was able to keep his $42,000 signing bonus.

“I’m going to take a little time off and rest,” Shipley said. “I’ve been training since I got off the plane from the Rose Bowl last year. I really haven’t had any time off. So I need a break. Maybe I’ll take a vacation here and there.

“Then when I come back and start training again, it’ll be full go.”

Tomlinator
01-08-2010, 12:19 PM
Interesting that T-Rex Shipley is not on that list. Hopefully that means that they are satisfied with the progress of Legursky and Urbik and the rehab of Stapleton.

Trae Williams was an interesting late season pickup to be a CB prospect, and we should get the same Frank the Tank vs. Redzone Redman showdown in camp this year. With Reed an UFA, having Czech as insurance gives the team a bit of leverage in negotiations.

I noticed Shipley wasn't on there too. Here's an article on it.

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sport ... elers.html (http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/january/08/shipleys-future-may-not-be-with-steelers.html)

Shipley's future may not be with Steelers
By: Mike BiresBeaver County Times
Friday January 8, 2010 12:00 AM

PITTSBURGH — A.Q. Shipley’s rookie year with the Steelers was a positive experience. But that doesn’t mean he’ll be back next season.

On Thursday, the Steelers signed seven of their eight practice squad players to their off-season roster. The only practice squad player not signed was Shipley, a center.

“An offer is on the table, but my agent and I are trying to figure out what’s best for me,” said Shipley.

In other words, Shipley wants to play.

On game days next year, the former Moon Area and Penn State standout wants to be in uniform as a member of a 53-man active roster. There are no guarantees that will happen in Pittsburgh. That’s why Shipley and his agent Eric Metz are exploring other options.

For the time being, he is not under contract with the Steelers.

Shipley came to the Steelers as the first of their two seventh-round picks in the 2009 Draft. But with Justin Hartwig entrenched as the starter at center, Shipley was among those released in the final cut on Sept. 5. He was then signed to the practice squad and remained there all season.

The Steelers kept nine offensive linemen, including first-year pro Doug Legursky and rookies Kraig Urbik and Ramon Foster.

As one of three third-round draft picks, Urbik wasn’t going to be cut. Legursky and Foster, both undrafted out of college, had the edge over Shipley because they were able to play two positions. Foster wound up starting four games at left guard due to injuries to Chris Kemoeatu.

But even as a practice squad player, Shipley learned a lot about the pro game.

“It was great,” he said. “Obviously, I was a little disappointed at first about being on the practice squad. I wanted to play. I felt I was good enough to play. I thought I played well enough in the preseason. But it just didn’t work out.

“Still, from a first-year perspective, I think things went pretty well. I was able to go against (nose tackle) Casey Hampton, a Pro Bowler, every day in practice. I was able to practice against some good linebackers. I was able to get some more reps at guard and learn the system a little bit more. I put on about 10-to-15 pounds. So, yeah, it was a great experience.”

Playing on the practice squad did cost Shipley some cash. Had he made the active roster, he would have been paid $310,000, the NFL minimum for a first-year player. Practice squad players make around $88,400.

Shipley was able to keep his $42,000 signing bonus.

“I’m going to take a little time off and rest,” Shipley said. “I’ve been training since I got off the plane from the Rose Bowl last year. I really haven’t had any time off. So I need a break. Maybe I’ll take a vacation here and there.

“Then when I come back and start training again, it’ll be full go.”

I understand where he's coming form, i'd like to be on a 53 man roster too. But something about this strikes me wrong. Sounds to me like he wants to be handed a roster spot.

Maybe he needs to think about fighting his way on the team and showing the coaches what he's got. He's only a 7th rounder, and was almost undrafted. He needs to put in the work like Foster and Legursky.

phillyesq
01-08-2010, 01:56 PM
Interesting that T-Rex Shipley is not on that list. Hopefully that means that they are satisfied with the progress of Legursky and Urbik and the rehab of Stapleton.

Trae Williams was an interesting late season pickup to be a CB prospect, and we should get the same Frank the Tank vs. Redzone Redman showdown in camp this year. With Reed an UFA, having Czech as insurance gives the team a bit of leverage in negotiations.

I noticed Shipley wasn't on there too. Here's an article on it.

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sport ... elers.html (http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/january/08/shipleys-future-may-not-be-with-steelers.html)

Shipley's future may not be with Steelers
By: Mike BiresBeaver County Times
Friday January 8, 2010 12:00 AM

PITTSBURGH — A.Q. Shipley’s rookie year with the Steelers was a positive experience. But that doesn’t mean he’ll be back next season.

On Thursday, the Steelers signed seven of their eight practice squad players to their off-season roster. The only practice squad player not signed was Shipley, a center.

“An offer is on the table, but my agent and I are trying to figure out what’s best for me,” said Shipley.

In other words, Shipley wants to play.

On game days next year, the former Moon Area and Penn State standout wants to be in uniform as a member of a 53-man active roster. There are no guarantees that will happen in Pittsburgh. That’s why Shipley and his agent Eric Metz are exploring other options.

For the time being, he is not under contract with the Steelers.

Shipley came to the Steelers as the first of their two seventh-round picks in the 2009 Draft. But with Justin Hartwig entrenched as the starter at center, Shipley was among those released in the final cut on Sept. 5. He was then signed to the practice squad and remained there all season.

The Steelers kept nine offensive linemen, including first-year pro Doug Legursky and rookies Kraig Urbik and Ramon Foster.

As one of three third-round draft picks, Urbik wasn’t going to be cut. Legursky and Foster, both undrafted out of college, had the edge over Shipley because they were able to play two positions. Foster wound up starting four games at left guard due to injuries to Chris Kemoeatu.

But even as a practice squad player, Shipley learned a lot about the pro game.

“It was great,” he said. “Obviously, I was a little disappointed at first about being on the practice squad. I wanted to play. I felt I was good enough to play. I thought I played well enough in the preseason. But it just didn’t work out.

“Still, from a first-year perspective, I think things went pretty well. I was able to go against (nose tackle) Casey Hampton, a Pro Bowler, every day in practice. I was able to practice against some good linebackers. I was able to get some more reps at guard and learn the system a little bit more. I put on about 10-to-15 pounds. So, yeah, it was a great experience.”

Playing on the practice squad did cost Shipley some cash. Had he made the active roster, he would have been paid $310,000, the NFL minimum for a first-year player. Practice squad players make around $88,400.

Shipley was able to keep his $42,000 signing bonus.

“I’m going to take a little time off and rest,” Shipley said. “I’ve been training since I got off the plane from the Rose Bowl last year. I really haven’t had any time off. So I need a break. Maybe I’ll take a vacation here and there.

“Then when I come back and start training again, it’ll be full go.”

I understand where he's coming form, i'd like to be on a 53 man roster too. But something about this strikes me wrong. Sounds to me like he wants to be handed a roster spot.

Maybe he needs to think about fighting his way on the team and showing the coaches what he's got. He's only a 7th rounder, and was almost undrafted. He needs to put in the work like Foster and Legursky.

I didn't take it that way at all. I think that he feels that there might not be a spot for him with Hartwig, Legursky and the return of Stapelton next year, so he's looking for a team with more of a need at center.

Mel Blount's G
01-08-2010, 06:14 PM
I reallly want better kickoffs next season. FGs are really important, but I think I'd take a guy who missed 3-5 more than Reed would if that guy could get a lot of touchbacks and make life easier for our coverage teams. I think the points lost on the FGs would at least be a wash if we can eliminate most of the kickoff return TDs (was it 5 this season?)

You know if you get a guy who can routinely boot it out of the EZ, then a huge chunk of your KR STs practice just went away, allowing those players to practice other things. Just sayin.' There's a TON of value in having a guy who can consistently boot it out of the EZ.
Absolutely. We'd be in the playoffs this year and possibly even won our division if we had that kicker (meaning we'd have won at least 2 more games where kicks were ran back on us for td's i.e. Cleveland, Cinci). Numerous advantages were given to our opponents due to kick returns so yeah, kicking it through the EZ every time would be pretty cool