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fordfixer
01-05-2010, 02:19 AM
Steelers Notes: Lebeau says he'll be back

By: Mike Bires
Beaver County Times
http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sport ... -back.html (http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1501/2010/january/05/steelers-notes-lebeau-says-hell-be-back.html)

Tuesday January 5, 2010 12:10 AM

PITTSBURGH — Unless coach Mike Tomlin says no, Dick LeBeau will be back next season as the Steelers’ defensive coordinator.

Lebeau, who’ll be 73 next September, hasn’t even thought about the day he might retire.

“He told us in a meeting a couple of weeks ago,” linebacker James Farrior said. “I think the rumors had started going around again about him retiring and not coming back again, so he laid it to bed with me. He told our defense they’re going to have to kick him up out of here, so I took his word for it.”

LeBeau is in his second stint as the mastermind of the Steeler defense. He served as D-coordinator from 1995-96 and returned to that post in 2004.

In the past three years, the Steelers have ranked first, first and fifth in the NFL in total defense.

But when the Steelers’ defense struggled during a five-game losing streak to start the second half of the season, it was suggested that opposing offenses were figuring out his strategies.

“He said that he’s looking forward to next year,’’ linebacker LaMarr Woodley said. “We just talked to him briefly (on Monday) and he said we’ll come out next year and try it again.”



Sweed sighting

WR Santonio Holmes still has high hopes for WR Limas Sweed, who’s struggled since coming to the Steelers as a second-round pick in last year’s draft.

Sweed’s second season ended prematurely two weeks ago when he was placed on the reserve/non-football illness list for an undisclosed health issue.

“Limas came into practice one day (last) week and we all got a chance to see him and talk to him,” Holmes said. “I just laughed at him and laughed with him, just to keep his spirits up.

“I definitely think he’s going to be more motivated to come back next year and prove to a lot of people that he’s capable of being one of those receivers out there with us, making plays and to prove he’s going to be a productive receiver in the NFL one day.”

Sweed only had one catch for 5 yards this season. He dropped a would-be touchdown pass in a Sept. 27 loss in Cincinnati that would have put the Steelers ahead 27-9.



Laying down

LB LaMarr Woodley, who led the Steelers with 13.5 sacks this year, has no regrets about comments he made last week claiming that New England and Cincinnati would “lay down” in their final regular-season games in fear of facing Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

Woodley was wrong about the Patriots, who lost in Houston 34-27. But the Bengals sure looked like they laid down in losing 37-0 on the road to the New York Jets.

“You saw the games. I was just calling it how I saw it,” Woodley said. “If you watched the games, I don’t need to say anything more about it.

“I’m not a guy who starts trouble, but sometimes you have to speak your mind. Sometimes, you’re wrong. And sometimes, you’re right. But if you watched the games, you can tell me if I’m wrong or right.”



Draft time

The Steelers will have the 18th overall pick of the 2010 Draft.

Even though the Falcons and Texans also finished with 9-7 records, the Steelers pick ahead of them in the first round based on playing an easier schedule.

This year, the draft will be stretched out over three days. On Thursday, April 22, the draft starts with first-round selections only. On April 23, the second and third rounds will be conducted. On April 24, it’ll be rounds four through seven.

fordfixer
01-05-2010, 02:22 AM
LeBeau reiterates intention to stay with Steelers

By Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, January 5, 2010
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 60688.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_660688.html)

How much change is coming for a defense that slipped this season and struggled late in games remains to be seen. What does seem certain is that Dick LeBeau will be back for at least one more season as the Steelers' defensive coordinator.

LeBeau, who just completed his 51st NFL season as a player or coach, has told his players that he has no plans to retire. And he apparently got out in front of the rumor that starts around this time of year on an annual basis given his age -- and the fact that the 72-year-old LeBeau has accomplished so much during his decorated career.

"He told us in a meeting a couple of weeks ago," Steelers inside linebacker James Farrior said of LeBeau returning for the 2010 season. "He told our defense they're going to have to kick him up out of here so I took his word for it."

LeBeau reiterated that message to his players during a brief meeting with them Monday at the Steelers' South Side practice facility.

"He said that he's looking forward to next year," Steelers outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley said.

The players are probably just as anxious for it if only so they can forget what just transpired in the 2009 season.

The Steelers went 9-7 and missed the playoffs a season after winning an NFL-record sixth Super Bowl.

A defense that carried the team in 2008 has to share in the blame that can be spread around for the Steelers underachieving this season.

The Steelers finished third in the NFL in rushing defense (89.9 yards per game) and fifth in total defense (305.3). The defense, however, failed to protect fourth-quarter leads in five of the Steelers' seven games.

One explanation for why the Steelers were not as dominant on defense as they were in 2008 is injuries to strong safety Troy Polamalu and defensive end Aaron Smith.

Polamalu played in just five games and none after the middle of November because of two injuries to his left knee. Smith, meanwhile, sustained a season-ending arm injury on Oct. 18.

"Those are basically our two best players on defense, having those two guys out really affected the way we went out there and played," Farrior said. "Having those two impact-type of players not out there, I think it hurt us a little bit."

Age may have also encroached on a unit that finished first in total and passing defense in 2008 and second in rushing defense.

Farrior, who just completed his 13th NFL season, struggled to stay with running backs when opposing teams passed the ball. That raised questions as to whether Farrior, who turns 35 tomorrow, and some of his teammates have slowed down.

"I definitely think that my age is getting up there and I might've lost a step," Farrior said, "but I think my mental part of the game helps me keep up (the) pace."

Farrior said he hopes the Steelers experience minimal turnover during the offseason.

Justin Hartwig agreed.

The veteran center said he thinks that the Steelers are a lot closer to the team that won a Super Bowl than the one that lost five consecutive games at one point during the season and missed the playoffs.

"I think we have a really good core group," Hartwig said. "With the group that we have, obviously, we're capable of winning a Super Bowl. So, I'd be surprised if there was a lot of turnover. I think we've proven that we can get it done with the group of guys that we have."

Woodley says no need for incentives

LaMarr Woodley may have predicted that playoff-bound teams would "lay down" in their final regular-season games to keep the Steelers out of the postseason.

That doesn't mean the outside linebacker thinks it is a good idea for the NFL to get involved when it comes to games at the end of the regular season.

During CBS's telecast of the Steelers-Dolphins games last Sunday, commissioner Roger Goodell said the league will look into a system that rewards teams that play to win even if they can't significantly improve their position in the playoffs.

The awarding of compensatory draft picks to such teams is one idea the NFL's competition committee is likely to consider after the season.

"I don't think you need to do all that," Woodley said Monday. "I can't see having incentives."

As for what he said last week and the reaction it caused, Woodley said, "I'm not a guy who starts trouble, but sometimes you have to speak your mind. Sometimes, you're wrong. And sometimes, you're right. But if you watched the games, you can tell me if I'm wrong or right."

The Steelers needed wins by the Bengals and Patriots to get into the playoffs.

The Patriots blew a 14-point fourth quarter lead in a 34-27 loss to the Houston Texans. The Bengals were drilled 37-0 by the New York Jets.

DIGITS

13 -- Steelers NFL rank in touchdowns scored (27) when they were in the red zone this season.

20 -- Steelers' NFL rank in turnover differential (-3).

QUOTE

"He gave his playmakers an opportunity to make plays and we took full advantage of every opportunity that he's given us throughout this season. The job that he's done with us and helped molding us into complete players is something he definitely can take a lot of credit for."

Santonio Holmes

Steelers wide receiver on offensive coordinator Bruce Arians.

SteelBucks
01-05-2010, 08:14 AM
I know some want change, but I'm thrilled LeBeau will be back. Great news!

Jooser
01-05-2010, 08:17 AM
The silence surrounding the Arians situation is troubling to me.

bostonsteeler
01-05-2010, 08:24 AM
The silence surrounding the Arians situation is troubling to me.

Brainless Arians stays.. sadly ..

stlrz d
01-05-2010, 09:43 AM
The silence surrounding the Arians situation is troubling to me.

I'm holding out hope they want a replacement before pulling the trigger.

Oviedo
01-05-2010, 09:54 AM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

stlrz d
01-05-2010, 10:02 AM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

Track record?

papillon
01-05-2010, 10:15 AM
Have many of you been watching Steeler football for only 3 years? When have the Steelers ever made wholesale changes with their coaching staff? Based on what I've been reading and my thoughts included the following should happen this year:

Tomlin fired if he doesn't replace Arians
Arians fired
Lebeau fired
Zeirlein fired
Horton fired
Ligashesky fired
Jones fired
Mitchell retained
Butler promoted from LB coach to DC
Anderson promoted to OC by some, fired by others

yea, this will happen.

Pappy

feltdizz
01-05-2010, 10:34 AM
If Sweed caught that pass we would have been up 27 to 9!!!! Yet we blame the OC for lack of production? Another obvious point in a game where the players, not the coach, failed this season.

I agree with Pappy.. people have personal agenda's that have nothing to do with how the ges have played out. The last few days I have seen:

Timmons needs to be demoted to passing downs
Logan is a luxury who may not be worth it
Lebeau had a down year but it's BA's fault

Oh.. and BA makes fun of Tomlin behind his back and Ben laughs the loudest.

phillyesq
01-05-2010, 10:45 AM
I know some want change, but I'm thrilled LeBeau will be back. Great news!

:Agree

I'm very happy to see Lebeau come back.

steelblood
01-05-2010, 10:58 AM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

I'm not sure how you measure that. LeBeau's defense was very good for 3 quarters and then awful for the 4th. Arian's offense was very good between the twenties and awful in the red zone and very poor against some terrible defenses. Neither made good in game adjustments.

feltdizz
01-05-2010, 11:13 AM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

I'm not sure how you measure that. LeBeau's defense was very good for 3 quarters and then awful for the 4th. Arian's offense was very good between the twenties and awful in the red zone and very poor against some terrible defenses. Neither made good in game adjustments.

but Arians was consistent.. LOL!!!

seriously though... as stated by a person in another thread when Ben was blamed for RZ woe's...

players dropped passes, Sweed, Mendenall, Heath... OL missed blocks and RB's missed holes...

our D wasn't very good for 3 qtrs either.. they gave up countless 3rd and longs and didn't have any INT's by the DB's outside of Troy until the last game.

This was the worst D in Steeler History based on talent and opponents...

SteelAbility
01-05-2010, 11:20 AM
Lebeau personnel adjustments:

Lost Troy (a candidate for DPOY in 08)
Lost A. Smith, a known big-time run-stuffer.
McFadden being replaced by William Gay, another huge loss.

Net Result: Huge losses in quality of personnel

BA's personnel adjustments:

Mendy for Parker (a net gain, especially since he didn't totally lose Parker)
Gained Mike Wallace, a very pleasant surprise. This took us from a 2-receiver team to a 3-receiver team.

Net Result: Significant gain

Apples / Oranges? No. more like small apples and big oranges. It's not even a comparison or debate here. Plus there's the long-term track record for Lebeau. The 4thQ problems have arisen from the loss of Troy and Smith. The D has to work extra hard in the first 3 without those guys. Then it peters out in the 4th AND still doesn't have the extra quality defending. Not too hard to connect the dots there.

That being said, I do fault Lebeau for starting Gay as long as he did. I also fault Lebeau for the blanket policy of starting Timmons. A mix of Fox/Timmons would have done much better, IMO.

SteelCzar76
01-05-2010, 11:22 AM
I'm glad to see Coach Lebeau return. As i said before,...his system is one of the greatest ever devised. If we can put a few more players on the field with the ability to properly execute it,...any shortcomings that we had this season on that side of the ball are no longer an issue. Plain and simple.

As i said before this season began,... Troy and Aaron's presence went along way towards allowing not only Wood, Silverback and Potsie to be as effective as they are capable of,... but also protected a secondary that has been full of suspect DB's for years.

They go down, (Troy and Diesel) Timmons is on the field,...and now teams can run a bit more effectively at crucial points in the game and basically throw on us at will. It's not rocket science ladies and gentlemen,.......

Steeler Mafia
01-05-2010, 11:26 AM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

Track record?

I agree. LeBeau's track record is much greater and more proven than that of Bruce Arians. Besides, I don't think it was so much LeBeau's defensive playcalling that failed this year. I believe that the Steelers were a bunch of head cases after winning the Super Bowl. After playing hard for 3 quarters, I think they thought teams would just lay down. Also the fact that we lost two of the main cogs in Troy and Arron didn't help things much either. I, for one, am really glad LeBeau is coming back. I am willing to bet the farm that this Defense will be back on track next year and will also be quite dominant.

feltdizz
01-05-2010, 11:32 AM
Lebeau personnel adjustments:

Lost Troy (a guy named in the conversation for DPOY in 08 plus what we all know)
Lost A. Smith, a known big-time run-stuffer.
McFadden being replaced by William Gay, another huge loss.

Net Result: Huge losses in quality of personnel

BA's personnel adjustments:

Mendy for Parker (a net gain, especially since he didn't totally lose Parker)
Gained Mike Wallace, a very pleasant surprise.

Net Result: Significant gain

Apples / Oranges? No. more like small apples and big oranges. It's not even a comparison or debate here. Plus there's the long-term track record for Lebeau.

That being said, I do fault Lebeau for starting Gay as long as he did. I also fault Lebeau for the blanket policy of starting Timmons. A mix of Fox/Timmons would have done much better, IMO.

hold up... I think a better comparison would be BA adjusting when FWP and Mend were banged up... or the game with Dixon and the game where Ben sat the second half and we saw Lefty march down the field in 6 plays and run the O like it should be run when healthy and practicing.

another huge point.. BA could have been stubborn and stuck with Sweed like Lebeau stuck with Gay... Lebeau had a choice and it killed our season sticking with Gay and Carter...

papillon
01-05-2010, 11:39 AM
Lebeau personnel adjustments:

Lost Troy (a guy named in the conversation for DPOY in 08 plus what we all know)
Lost A. Smith, a known big-time run-stuffer.
McFadden being replaced by William Gay, another huge loss.

Net Result: Huge losses in quality of personnel

BA's personnel adjustments:

Mendy for Parker (a net gain, especially since he didn't totally lose Parker)
Gained Mike Wallace, a very pleasant surprise.

Net Result: Significant gain

Apples / Oranges? No. more like small apples and big oranges. It's not even a comparison or debate here. Plus there's the long-term track record for Lebeau.

That being said, I do fault Lebeau for starting Gay as long as he did. I also fault Lebeau for the blanket policy of starting Timmons. A mix of Fox/Timmons would have done much better, IMO.

hold up... I think a better comparison would be BA adjusting when FWP and Mend were banged up... or the game with Dixon and the game where Ben sat the second half and we saw Lefty march down the field in 6 plays and run the O like it should be run when healthy and practicing.

another huge point.. BA could have been stubborn and stuck with Sweed like Lebeau stuck with Gay... Lebeau had a choice and it killed our season sticking with Gay and Carter...

Mike Wallace made this decision an easy one. Carter, Gay, Lewis and Burnett did not give Lebeau the benefit of having one of them step up to the plate. That being said, trying something would have been welcomed after the second loss in the 5 game losing streak.

Pappy

feltdizz
01-05-2010, 11:41 AM
[quote=Oviedo]Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

Track record?

I agree. LeBeau's track record is much greater and more proven than that of Bruce Arians. Besides, I don't think it was so much LeBeau's defensive playcalling that failed this year. I believe that the Steelers were a bunch of head cases after winning the Super Bowl. After playing hard for 3 quarters, I think they thought teams would just lay down. Also the fact that we lost two of the main cogs in Troy and Arron didn't help things much either. I, for one, am really glad LeBeau is coming back. I am willing to bet the farm that this Defense will be back on track next year and will also be quite dominant.[/quote:3trieyql]

I agree on bringing him back.. he is a great DC!

but the track record theory is hilarious.. maybe it's why Farrior, Deshea and other older heads are still in over younger, hungrier guys....

BradshawsHairdresser
01-05-2010, 11:44 AM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

I'm not sure how you measure that. LeBeau's defense was very good for 3 quarters and then awful for the 4th. Arian's offense was very good between the twenties and awful in the red zone and very poor against some terrible defenses. Neither made good in game adjustments.

Yep. And for me, that final statement is the clincher: "Neither made good in-game adjustments." That's exactly what your OC and DC have to be able to do; when they can't, it will keep you from winning many close games. And that's why BOTH LeBeau AND Arians ought to go.

feltdizz
01-05-2010, 11:45 AM
Lebeau personnel adjustments:

Lost Troy (a guy named in the conversation for DPOY in 08 plus what we all know)
Lost A. Smith, a known big-time run-stuffer.
McFadden being replaced by William Gay, another huge loss.

Net Result: Huge losses in quality of personnel

BA's personnel adjustments:

Mendy for Parker (a net gain, especially since he didn't totally lose Parker)
Gained Mike Wallace, a very pleasant surprise.

Net Result: Significant gain

Apples / Oranges? No. more like small apples and big oranges. It's not even a comparison or debate here. Plus there's the long-term track record for Lebeau.

That being said, I do fault Lebeau for starting Gay as long as he did. I also fault Lebeau for the blanket policy of starting Timmons. A mix of Fox/Timmons would have done much better, IMO.

hold up... I think a better comparison would be BA adjusting when FWP and Mend were banged up... or the game with Dixon and the game where Ben sat the second half and we saw Lefty march down the field in 6 plays and run the O like it should be run when healthy and practicing.

another huge point.. BA could have been stubborn and stuck with Sweed like Lebeau stuck with Gay... Lebeau had a choice and it killed our season sticking with Gay and Carter...

Mike Wallace made this decision an easy one. Carter, Gay, Lewis and Burnett did not give Lebeau the benefit of having one of them step up to the plate. That being said, trying something would have been welcomed after the second loss in the 5 game losing streak.

Pappy

Not really.. Gay was as bad as Sweed earlier this year... we didn't replace Gay to see if anyone else could do just as bad or better.

Wallace was not a guarantee early this year IMO..

Oviedo
01-05-2010, 11:49 AM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

I'm not sure how you measure that. LeBeau's defense was very good for 3 quarters and then awful for the 4th. Arian's offense was very good between the twenties and awful in the red zone and very poor against some terrible defenses. Neither made good in game adjustments.

Yep. And for me, that final statement is the clincher: "Neither made good in-game adjustments." That's exactly what your OC and DC have to be able to do; when they can't, it will keep you from winning many close games. And that's why BOTH LeBeau AND Arians ought to go.

:Agree :Agree

NWNewell
01-05-2010, 12:14 PM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

Track record?

Give up on your preaching for LeBeau moving out and your 4-3 dreams moving in. Sometimes their are up years, sometimes there are down years. Sometimes you've got holes in your personal, sometimes you don't.

During our "down year" with "big holes" in our defense, we were still 5th ranked defense and 12th in ppg.

DeLeau's defense has had better, more consistent performance than any other DC or team in the league over his tenure.

While, it's true that other teams will adapt and catch up to certain schemes, one "down year" after practically being #1 across the board and one of the best defenses in history hardly demonstrates that this has happened to LeBeau's defense.

Plus, who's not to say leBeau won't adapt and improve his scheme during the off season. LeBeau was doing running similar schemes for years and yet during the 2008 season teams did not catch up, they feel farther behind. If history has taught us anything, between this year and next, its very possible that LeBeau can distance himself once again.

But I realize I'm just wasting my breathe....

SteelCzar76
01-05-2010, 12:18 PM
Lebeau personnel adjustments:

Lost Troy (a guy named in the conversation for DPOY in 08 plus what we all know)
Lost A. Smith, a known big-time run-stuffer.
McFadden being replaced by William Gay, another huge loss.

Net Result: Huge losses in quality of personnel

BA's personnel adjustments:

Mendy for Parker (a net gain, especially since he didn't totally lose Parker)
Gained Mike Wallace, a very pleasant surprise.

Net Result: Significant gain

Apples / Oranges? No. more like small apples and big oranges. It's not even a comparison or debate here. Plus there's the long-term track record for Lebeau.

That being said, I do fault Lebeau for starting Gay as long as he did. I also fault Lebeau for the blanket policy of starting Timmons. A mix of Fox/Timmons would have done much better, IMO.

hold up... I think a better comparison would be BA adjusting when FWP and Mend were banged up... or the game with Dixon and the game where Ben sat the second half and we saw Lefty march down the field in 6 plays and run the O like it should be run when healthy and practicing.

another huge point.. BA could have been stubborn and stuck with Sweed like Lebeau stuck with Gay... Lebeau had a choice and it killed our season sticking with Gay and Carter...

Coach had no choice but to start Gay and Timmons,....they are Tomlin's boys. Did anyone see Jason Laconfora's pregame report before the Browns game when he stated that Lebeau and the defensive coaching staff had been lobbying for Timmons to be replaced by fox for quite awhile. But "oddly" enough he (Timmons) along with Gay remained in the starting lineup.

NWNewell
01-05-2010, 12:22 PM
Coach had no choice but to start Gay and Timmons,....they are Tomlin's boys. Did anyone see Jason Laconfora's pregame report before the Browns game when he stated that Lebeau and the defensive coaching staff had been lobbying for Timmons to be replaced by fox for quite awhile. But "oddly" enough he (Timmons) along with Gay remained in the starting lineup.

I heard that, but do not recall them saying anything about the defensive "coaching staff". They said some of the players were lobbying.

And you have know clue which players LeBeau wanted in there, which players Tomlin wanted in there, and how it played out... but feel free to continue circulating speculation and opinions as fact.

Steeler Mafia
01-05-2010, 12:30 PM
[quote=Oviedo]Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

Track record?

I agree. LeBeau's track record is much greater and more proven than that of Bruce Arians. Besides, I don't think it was so much LeBeau's defensive playcalling that failed this year. I believe that the Steelers were a bunch of head cases after winning the Super Bowl. After playing hard for 3 quarters, I think they thought teams would just lay down. Also the fact that we lost two of the main cogs in Troy and Arron didn't help things much either. I, for one, am really glad LeBeau is coming back. I am willing to bet the farm that this Defense will be back on track next year and will also be quite dominant.

I agree on bringing him back.. he is a great DC!

but the track record theory is hilarious.. maybe it's why Farrior, Deshea and other older heads are still in over younger, hungrier guys....[/quote:3pjniwv0]


Maybe the reason Farrior, Deshea, and other older heads were in the games was because the "Younger, Hungrier guys" couldn't cover their own face when they coughed. The older heads may suck, but they don't suck as bad.

SteelBucks
01-05-2010, 12:33 PM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

I'm not sure how you measure that. LeBeau's defense was very good for 3 quarters and then awful for the 4th. Arian's offense was very good between the twenties and awful in the red zone and very poor against some terrible defenses. Neither made good in game adjustments.

Yep. And for me, that final statement is the clincher: "Neither made good in-game adjustments." That's exactly what your OC and DC have to be able to do; when they can't, it will keep you from winning many close games. And that's why BOTH LeBeau AND Arians ought to go.

So one bad year by the defense should cost LeBeau his job? This overreaction is something that the Raiders and Redskins do year after year with no improvement. Thank God the Steelers FO works differently.

SteelCzar76
01-05-2010, 12:35 PM
Coach had no choice but to start Gay and Timmons,....they are Tomlin's boys. Did anyone see Jason Laconfora's pregame report before the Browns game when he stated that Lebeau and the defensive coaching staff had been lobbying for Timmons to be replaced by fox for quite awhile. But "oddly" enough he (Timmons) along with Gay remained in the starting lineup.

I heard that, but do not recall them saying anything about the defensive "coaching staff". They said some of the players were lobbying.

And you have know clue which players LeBeau wanted in there, which players Tomlin wanted in there, and how it played out... but feel free to continue circulating speculation and opinions as fact.

No,...it was the Defensive coaching staff. I would have never even mentioned it were said that it was the players, as that would not have been relevant at all in this thread. Nice try though NW,......

Oviedo
01-05-2010, 01:00 PM
Based on performance the unit LeBeau was responsible for failed more than the one Arians was responsible for. Why does anyone think LeBeau's defense will be better next year? Aaron Smith will be a year older and has missed extended periods of time 2 of the last 4 years. Troy has missed extended time 2 of the last 3 years. If these are the keys to his defense and it fails without them what is he going to do different?

I think Arians should move on but at least give him credit that he has kept the ofense moving forward with a mediocre OL, injuries to RBs, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see both move on.

I'm not sure how you measure that. LeBeau's defense was very good for 3 quarters and then awful for the 4th. Arian's offense was very good between the twenties and awful in the red zone and very poor against some terrible defenses. Neither made good in game adjustments.

Yep. And for me, that final statement is the clincher: "Neither made good in-game adjustments." That's exactly what your OC and DC have to be able to do; when they can't, it will keep you from winning many close games. And that's why BOTH LeBeau AND Arians ought to go.

So one bad year by the defense should cost LeBeau his job? This overreaction is something that the Raiders and Redskins do year after year with no improvement. Thank God the Steelers FO works differently.

Yes thank the lord that the FO does business different, but what will LeBeau do different? Will he change the scheme? Can he? Will he figure out how to get young guys playing sooner? Can he simplify the defense to give young players a chance to play?

LeBeau has lots to prove about whether he can reestablish this defense to the preeminence it should be at. The past means nothing because it gets us no wins in 2010.

feltdizz
01-05-2010, 01:12 PM
I think Troy is so damn good he exposed Lebeau and our personnel. I think Lebeau called the games like Troy was still in it. Without Troy up on the line or running around the QB's had it easy...

I just don't feel our defense has the right athletes in a few places to showcase Lebeau's genius.. he needs to show us that without Troy we can still dominate... because I think Troy will always miss a few games due to his style of play.

While I love Fox... replacing Timmons makes no sense.. replace Farrior with Fox!

NWNewell
01-05-2010, 01:28 PM
Coach had no choice but to start Gay and Timmons,....they are Tomlin's boys. Did anyone see Jason Laconfora's pregame report before the Browns game when he stated that Lebeau and the defensive coaching staff had been lobbying for Timmons to be replaced by fox for quite awhile. But "oddly" enough he (Timmons) along with Gay remained in the starting lineup.

I heard that, but do not recall them saying anything about the defensive "coaching staff". They said some of the players were lobbying.

And you have know clue which players LeBeau wanted in there, which players Tomlin wanted in there, and how it played out... but feel free to continue circulating speculation and opinions as fact.

No,...it was the Defensive coaching staff. I would have never even mentioned it were said that it was the players, as that would not have been relevant at all in this thread. Nice try though NW,......

You say that like you always make relevant, accurate remarks.

SteelCzar76
01-05-2010, 01:34 PM
Coach had no choice but to start Gay and Timmons,....they are Tomlin's boys. Did anyone see Jason Laconfora's pregame report before the Browns game when he stated that Lebeau and the defensive coaching staff had been lobbying for Timmons to be replaced by fox for quite awhile. But "oddly" enough he (Timmons) along with Gay remained in the starting lineup.

I heard that, but do not recall them saying anything about the defensive "coaching staff". They said some of the players were lobbying.

And you have know clue which players LeBeau wanted in there, which players Tomlin wanted in there, and how it played out... but feel free to continue circulating speculation and opinions as fact.

No,...it was the Defensive coaching staff. I would have never even mentioned it were said that it was the players, as that would not have been relevant at all in this thread. Nice try though NW,......

You say that like you always make relevant, accurate remarks.


Obviously i and others here do quite often,....as it appears such accuracy and relevance easily upset you babygirl. :lol: But you do realize that you retain the right to simply agree to disagree with someone and just keep it moving right ?