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aggiebones
01-04-2010, 06:09 PM
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-dra ... liams.html (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/dan-williams.html)

I was looking over the draft and pondering what will be a huge hole for us in the near future.

They mention us as a potential suitor as well for this NT. I know we could use a new CB, but I have a weird feeling they will give Gay, Lewis and Burnett another season to decide if any can be the CB2 opposite Ike. No, Ike isn't going anywhere, sorry. Troy, Clark and Taylor are a solid unit, but obviously less so without Troy.
Only other choice I'd make would be a dominant T, left or right. It surprised me that only 1 T was listed in the top 17 picks for this mock draft. Though they list us as taking Anthony Davis out of Rutgers with our pick at 18. If we got the second best T in the draft I'd be pretty pleased since quite often 5 or so tackles fly off the board before our pick.

No need for the 18th pick to be at RB, QB, WR or G/C
Unlikely at LB, DE or S
That leaves; CB, T, NT

PSU_dropout43
01-04-2010, 06:27 PM
franchise Hampton.

draft DE Cameron Heyward or a top CB.

NW Steeler
01-04-2010, 06:45 PM
I could actually see us taking a Tackle if one is worthy of our pick (by BPA standards). Yes, we need a CB, FS, ILB and NT/DT, but the right side of our line sucks ass. By most people's accounts, only 1-2 CB's are first round quality and they will be off the board. FS is a serious need IMO, but it sounds like that position is pretty deep in this draft. If McClain is on the board when we pick, we HAVE to take him, don't we?

steelernation77
01-04-2010, 06:48 PM
I could see the Steelers taking a long look at Mount Cody. 6-5 350lbs. He is a monster of a run-stuffer, but has conditioning issues. He's lost about 60lbs. in the last couple years though.

winwithd
01-04-2010, 07:27 PM
I like the idea of Cody at NT although we could use a shut-down corner. If he has conditioning problems, are they much worse than Hampton's? Maybe we could alternate the two for next year. Also, would Jared Odrick of PSU be good a 3-4 DE or is he better suited for 4-3 DT? I wouldn't mind seeing him in Black and Gold.

grotonsteel
01-04-2010, 09:28 PM
I would prefer Cody over Williams.

I would like Steelers to draft Williams in Rd 2.

Jigawatts
01-04-2010, 10:33 PM
franchise Hampton.

draft DE Cameron Heyward or a top CB.

Word out on the street is Hampton will hold out if he's franchised.

So long Casey.

fordfixer
01-05-2010, 02:00 AM
franchise Hampton.

draft DE Cameron Heyward or a top CB.

Word out on the street is Hampton will hold out if he's franchised.

So long Casey.
what street are you hanging out on? :lol:

Shawn
01-05-2010, 02:53 AM
If Cody is there...the Steelers will take him. There is no doubt in my mind. Do I believe he will be there at 18? No. Williams is very interesting. I have seen some believe he is a first or second round pick. I have seen others that believe he is a second day pick. He has serious conditioning issues. He is only a two down NT. But, out of sheer desperation we might have to look at him in the second...real real hard.

SteelBucks
01-05-2010, 08:42 AM
franchise Hampton.

draft DE Cameron Heyward or a top CB.

Don't be surprised if Heyward returns to OSU for his senior season.

Oviedo
01-05-2010, 09:00 AM
I like the idea of Cody at NT although we could use a shut-down corner. If he has conditioning problems, are they much worse than Hampton's? Maybe we could alternate the two for next year. Also, would Jared Odrick of PSU be good a 3-4 DE or is he better suited for 4-3 DT? I wouldn't mind seeing him in Black and Gold.

Cody's commitment to conditioning amkes Hampton look like Lance Armstrong. In two year's Cody never made the target weight Saban set for him to be more than a two down player.

Dan Williams from Tennesee would be my pick early if looking at a NT. Cody is just ready to eat himself out of this league IMO. However, for a mid round pick look at Torrell Troup from the University of Central Florida, 6'3" 315lbs. He came to UCF at over 360lbs and essentially recreated his body and sculpted it with his commitment to conditioning and fitness. He has played a true NT position at UCF and routinely takes on two blockers.

I don't see us taking another 3-4 DE prospect early even though I would love to see Odrick in black and gold too.

stlrz d
01-05-2010, 09:52 AM
50 rep points to the first person who can post a picture of a current, finely toned NFL 3-4 NT.

Good luck and happy hunting!

steelblood
01-05-2010, 10:24 AM
50 rep points to the first person who can post a picture of a current, finely toned NFL 3-4 NT.

Good luck and happy hunting!

Jay Ratliff.

picture.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... CowsZC.jpg (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/pt/photos/2008/11/081117_NS_16CowsZC.jpg)

Oviedo
01-05-2010, 10:32 AM
50 rep points to the first person who can post a picture of a current, finely toned NFL 3-4 NT.

Good luck and happy hunting!

Its not about appearance it is about conditioning. The ability to be a three down player for 60 minutes. The ability to stay fit enough so that excess weight does not make you a risk for injury.

You bring up my issue with NTs. We have to have a player who is acknowledge as being in bad shape because we are stuck with a defense that cannot operate without a big, fat out of shape player in the middle. Oh and we need two of these players because both of the ones we have are over 30 years old.

Sorry, but I'll defer to young, fit attacking DTs who can play immediately in the 4-3 defense at DT versus getting them and putting them through a two year apprenticeship program where they make limited contributions learning to play 3-4 DE.

SteelCzar76
01-05-2010, 10:46 AM
How about,...i dunno,..we resign Hamp because he is THE best 3-4 NT in the league and tighten up the secondary by giving Troy some help via drafting an exceptional DB ?

I know,..I know,.....Burnett, Gay, Mundy, and Lewis are all "ordinary as a bowl of grits" and will be among the best in the league in no time at all,.. and Clark, Ike, Dshea and Ty are all pro bowlers,....but whaddayasay we just get all "wacky" and go the aforementioned route ?

SteelCzar76
01-05-2010, 10:52 AM
Cody's commitment to conditioning amkes Hampton look like Lance Armstrong. In two year's Cody never made the target weight Saban set for him to be more than a two down player.
Cody is just ready to eat himself out of this league IMO.


Exactly.

SteelCzar76
01-05-2010, 10:56 AM
50 rep points to the first person who can post a picture of a current, finely toned NFL 3-4 NT.

Good luck and happy hunting!

I think O's point D wasn't one of "sexiness" in terms of the big uglies,....but one of work ethic (or lack thereof) that might possibly effect a players will and or motor on the field.

RuthlessBurgher
01-05-2010, 10:57 AM
50 rep points to the first person who can post a picture of a current, finely toned NFL 3-4 NT.

Good luck and happy hunting!

Its not about appearance it is about conditioning. The ability to be a three down player for 60 minutes. The ability to stay fit enough so that excess weight does not make you a risk for injury.

You bring up my issue with NTs. We have to have a player who is acknowledge as being in bad shape because we are stuck with a defense that cannot operate without a big, fat out of shape player in the middle. Oh and we need two of these players because both of the ones we have are over 30 years old.

Sorry, but I'll defer to young, fit attacking DTs who can play immediately in the 4-3 defense at DT versus getting them and putting them through a two year apprenticeship program where they make limited contributions learning to play 3-4 DE.

Even when you run a 4-3, you need one stout NT type and one penetrating DT type. For every fit Kevin Williams, there is a fat Pat Williams next to him.

http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2008/12/02/pat_and_kevin_williams.jpg http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20081203/fbn-nfl-suspensions/images/4ca9fe61-0f7b-4afe-a433-6578e5cf6064.jpg

Jigawatts
01-05-2010, 11:56 AM
franchise Hampton.

draft DE Cameron Heyward or a top CB.

Word out on the street is Hampton will hold out if he's franchised.

So long Casey.
what street are you hanging out on? :lol:

"Word out on the street" is Jiga slang for "I heard it on the radio." :wink:

RuthlessBurgher
01-05-2010, 12:00 PM
franchise Hampton.

draft DE Cameron Heyward or a top CB.

Word out on the street is Hampton will hold out if he's franchised.

So long Casey.
what street are you hanging out on? :lol:

"Word out on the street" is Jiga slang for "I heard it on the radio." :wink:

Word to your mutha.

http://www.ronthompsonphotos.com/images/innercityblues/BOOM%20BOX%20-%20BW107%20copy.jpg

steelblood
01-05-2010, 12:17 PM
50 rep points to the first person who can post a picture of a current, finely toned NFL 3-4 NT.

Good luck and happy hunting!

Jay Ratliff.

picture.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... CowsZC.jpg (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/pt/photos/2008/11/081117_NS_16CowsZC.jpg)

Is there a courtesy window where I pick up the rep points? Will I need to fill out forms and have my picture taken for a membership card? What are the lines like? Is there a platinum club membership? Are rep points redeemable for anything other than rep? Can the be exchanged? When do they expire? Can I use these rep points with my wife or do they only apply to planet steelers forums? Do rep points help conceal a receding hairline?

Jigawatts
01-05-2010, 12:27 PM
franchise Hampton.

draft DE Cameron Heyward or a top CB.

Word out on the street is Hampton will hold out if he's franchised.

So long Casey.
what street are you hanging out on? :lol:

"Word out on the street" is Jiga slang for "I heard it on the radio." :wink:

Word to your mutha.

http://www.ronthompsonphotos.com/images/innercityblues/BOOM%20BOX%20-%20BW107%20copy.jpg

Where did you get that picture of Ghetto Scott? :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
01-05-2010, 01:13 PM
Word out on the street is Hampton will hold out if he's franchised.

So long Casey.
what street are you hanging out on? :lol:

"Word out on the street" is Jiga slang for "I heard it on the radio." :wink:

Word to your mutha.

http://www.ronthompsonphotos.com/images/innercityblues/BOOM%20BOX%20-%20BW107%20copy.jpg

Where did you get that picture of Ghetto Scott? :lol:

I have pictures for all you bastages.

http://www.hollywood-diecast.com/NS%20mac%20&%20delorean.JPG

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2626302243_bb6939cde7.jpg

Jigawatts
01-05-2010, 01:30 PM
I have pictures for all you bastages.

http://www.hollywood-diecast.com/NS%20mac%20&%20delorean.JPG

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2626302243_bb6939cde7.jpg

I wasn't at the Delorean convention last year. :nono

aggiebones
01-05-2010, 02:39 PM
Nice change of topic?

OK, I wasn't necessarily trying to get rid of Hampton right away.
But he needs replaced soon and we are in a good drafting position. I'd be happy with either he or Hoke coming back and helping bring along the new kid. Hampton can't play 60minutes and a rookie is not ready to be a 3-4NT for the Steelers from word go very often.
I can agree that a T might be a better move at this point in the draft.
I imagine we'll try the rookie CBs versus Gay for another season. We aren't just going to dump 3 recent draft picks.

RuthlessBurgher
01-05-2010, 02:45 PM
Nice change of topic?

OK, I wasn't necessarily trying to get rid of Hampton right away.
But he needs replaced soon and we are in a good drafting position. I'd be happy with either he or Hoke coming back and helping bring along the new kid. Hampton can't play 60minutes and a rookie is not ready to be a 3-4NT for the Steelers from word go very often.
I can agree that a T might be a better move at this point in the draft.
I imagine we'll try the rookie CBs versus Gay for another season. We aren't just going to dump 3 recent draft picks.

I agree about drafting more big uglies early. But if they do draft a corner (say that Haden is somehow still available at #18 and is good enough to start as a rookie), that doesn't necessarily mean that they are dumping 3 recent draft picks. Lewis may be moving to FS. Gay and Burnett would be battling it out for the nickel/dime corner role, since Townsend is likely gone since he is old and his contract is up. Considering that Gay and Burnett were both 5th round picks, I doubt that many of us expected much more than a nickel/dime role when they were drafted.

aggiebones
01-05-2010, 03:25 PM
True,
We do have a line that is signed through next season at least. A new OC may help them if he gets us back to a ground game of 'some' sorts.

DL can survive another season and Hampton was a late first rounder not early pick, if I'm not mistaken. I'd rather get Hood equilibrated before we bring in another high profile rookie there.

Though CB looked worse due to Troy being out, they aren't great and a huge upgrade could help significantly. I still think someone in that group will come through for us. Gay may even upgrade after an offseason where he learned a few lessons. The season was hard on him and he never really got to catch his breath. We'll see, I'm not holding mine however :)

RuthlessBurgher
01-05-2010, 03:50 PM
DL can survive another season and Hampton was a late first rounder not early pick, if I'm not mistaken.

In 2001, we had the 16th pick. We traded down 3 spots with the Jets (they took Santana Moss) and we took Hamption with the 19th pick. We got a 4th rounder (used to take OT Mathias Nkwenti) and a 6th rounder (used to take DE Rodney Bailey) in the deal.

Since we pick 18th this year, it is not out of the realm of possibility that they take another NT in the same area of the draft, possibly Alabama's Terrence Cody or Tennessee's Dan Williams.

MaxAMillion
01-05-2010, 05:00 PM
Please...no Mount Fatty. He makes Hampton look in shape. I would rather see the Steelers draft Williams.

steelernation77
01-05-2010, 05:08 PM
50 rep points to the first person who can post a picture of a current, finely toned NFL 3-4 NT.

Good luck and happy hunting!

Jay Ratliff.

picture.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... CowsZC.jpg (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/pt/photos/2008/11/081117_NS_16CowsZC.jpg)

Is there a courtesy window where I pick up the rep points? Will I need to fill out forms and have my picture taken for a membership card? What are the lines like? Is there a platinum club membership? Are rep points redeemable for anything other than rep? Can the be exchanged? When do they expire? Can I use these rep points with my wife or do they only apply to planet steelers forums? Do rep points help conceal a receding hairline?

The Cowboys run a different version of the 3-4 than us. Their linemen have completely different responsibilities. Ratliff would not fit in our defense. We need a space-eater.

steelernation77
01-05-2010, 05:13 PM
I like the idea of Cody at NT although we could use a shut-down corner. If he has conditioning problems, are they much worse than Hampton's? Maybe we could alternate the two for next year. Also, would Jared Odrick of PSU be good a 3-4 DE or is he better suited for 4-3 DT? I wouldn't mind seeing him in Black and Gold.

Cody's commitment to conditioning amkes Hampton look like Lance Armstrong. In two year's Cody never made the target weight Saban set for him to be more than a two down player.

Dan Williams from Tennesee would be my pick early if looking at a NT. Cody is just ready to eat himself out of this league IMO. However, for a mid round pick look at Torrell Troup from the University of Central Florida, 6'3" 315lbs. He came to UCF at over 360lbs and essentially recreated his body and sculpted it with his commitment to conditioning and fitness. He has played a true NT position at UCF and routinely takes on two blockers.

I don't see us taking another 3-4 DE prospect early even though I would love to see Odrick in black and gold too.

Cody was 410lbs. in junior college. He is now in the 350s. He's lost quite a bit of weight. He may be able to continue to lose it.

His conditioning does scare me though. I'm sure he will be closely evaluated.

RuthlessBurgher
01-05-2010, 05:14 PM
Please...no Mount Fatty. He makes Hampton look in shape. I would rather see the Steelers draft Williams.

Cody was over 400 pounds at one point, but he is likely in the same weight neighborhood as Hampton now (both are over 350), except that Cody is 4-5 inches taller than Hampton. He may only be a two down player (pretty much every pure NT is these days) but you won't be able to run the ball up the middle when he is in there. No one man will be able to move him. Ask Rolando McClain about how much he benefitted from playing behind Cody.

It is funny to compare both of their sizes to DB's, though.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2010-01/51420639.jpghttp://www.trunkbunker.com/caseyhampton1.jpg

SteelBucks
01-05-2010, 05:50 PM
franchise Hampton.

draft DE Cameron Heyward or a top CB.

Don't be surprised if Heyward returns to OSU for his senior season.

As I said......

"OSU junior defensive lineman Cam Heyward has ended the speculation that he will enter the NFL draft by announcing that he will return to Ohio State for the 2010 season. The announcement came via an official OSU press release. Heyward has not issued a statement."

Chadman
01-05-2010, 06:24 PM
Hahaha...it's funny when you argue the fitness level of a 3-4 NT as if it's important.

Casey Hampton, Ted Washington, Sam Adams- all finely tuned athletes.

If Cody wants to play, if he actually wants to play football, then it's VERY hard to look past a guy that size to clog the middle.

And with the emergence of the 3-4 defence around the league- it's nearly impossible to believe he'll be there at 18. Dan Williams will go earlier than he should- he'll be a 1st rounder- most likely around the Steelers pick.

Betting that's where we go at this point.

stlrz d
01-05-2010, 09:10 PM
50 rep points to the first person who can post a picture of a current, finely toned NFL 3-4 NT.

Good luck and happy hunting!

Jay Ratliff.

picture.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... CowsZC.jpg (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/pt/photos/2008/11/081117_NS_16CowsZC.jpg)

Is there a courtesy window where I pick up the rep points? Will I need to fill out forms and have my picture taken for a membership card? What are the lines like? Is there a platinum club membership? Are rep points redeemable for anything other than rep? Can the be exchanged? When do they expire? Can I use these rep points with my wife or do they only apply to planet steelers forums? Do rep points help conceal a receding hairline?

The Cowboys run a different version of the 3-4 than us. Their linemen have completely different responsibilities. Ratliff would not fit in our defense. We need a space-eater.

Ding.

I'll give you 25 rep points for finding one, but only 25 because they don't play the same type of scheme. Our NT has to constantly occupy two lineman. That's his main job. A "skinny" guy like Ratliff isn't gonna be able to do that.

And constantly occupying two blockers will wear a guy out no matter what kind of shape he's in.

Shoe
01-06-2010, 10:12 PM
How about,...i dunno,..we resign Hamp because he is THE best 3-4 NT in the league and tighten up the secondary by giving Troy some help via drafting an exceptional DB ?

Re-signing Hampton would be a horrendous mistake IMO. The guy is fat; we can all agree on that. Inking a fat, content, rapidly aging player is why other teams fail. We (the Pittsburgh Steelers) don't do that.

We let those kind of guys go: guys like Peezy, and Faneca. Guys who seem to have some left, yeah... but would command top-dollar, and could easily regress in their later years. There are exceptions to this rule: e.g. Hines. I don't think Hampton is one you make the exception for.

As for this Dan Williams, I did go look at that write-up for him, and in terms of description, he sounds a lot like Ziggy. In other words, a solid, character guy. But NOT a difference-maker. I don't like that pick much. I would probably like it more than Cody though... Cody just seems like a lazy fata$s who, once he inks for $1,000,000's will eat himself out of his mind.

Lastly, LOL at Jay Ratliff = fit NT. :lol:

stlrz d
01-06-2010, 10:19 PM
Here's a fat, old NT who's still occupying two blockers (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=JAC185074), which is all we need Casey to do.

Just sayin'....

Shoe
01-06-2010, 10:36 PM
People who are rationalizing Cody's weight (comparing to Hampton) are neglecting one key fact: Hampton is an old man. (And, when Hampton came in to the league, he was known as someone who was a self-starter, hard-worker).

If you (Cody) are already obese at 21 years old (whatever he is), imagine how fat he will be at 33 years old.

We all know that the poundage adds on pretty quick as we age; it's not hard to imagine a guy with his will-power, his genetics, time, and the good life (i.e. loads of money) will do to him.

NJ-STEELER
01-06-2010, 11:46 PM
doesn't dallas also play a 3-4?