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flippy
12-11-2009, 12:28 AM
So what do you think we should do in FA?

How bout the draft?

Any coaching changes?

Which of our FAs should we sign and which should we let go?

And how about every first, second, and third year player starts these next 3 games. It could be like an extended preseason look at some of the young guys.

SidSmythe
12-11-2009, 12:31 AM
FIRE Arians and his crappy NO BACKS offense

Get Troy healthy and look for Farriors replacement

NW Steeler
12-11-2009, 12:33 AM
FIRE Arians and his crappy NO BACKS offense

Get Troy healthy and look for Farriors replacement


What you said. And draft the best free safety that they can get.

Next training camp should be an open competition for almost every position on this team.

TallyStiller
12-11-2009, 12:35 AM
I'm looking for another playmaker at safety to pair with Troy IF he stays healthy, so we don't have another lost season if he gets hurt... plus we need to draft the nose tackle of the future if we're going to let Casey walk... but I think we franchise him in the capless year if we stay 3 - 4.

grotonsteel
12-11-2009, 12:37 AM
Since we will be drafting a bit higher i expect the players drafted to contribute in 1st year itself.

Draft a FS,DT,CB.

Remove Bruce Arians, Horton and Porn King.

Bring back Chan Gailey.

Chadman
12-11-2009, 12:37 AM
What should the Steelers do in F.A.?

Firstly- make a decision on what to do with Casey Hampton. His signing, or non-signing will directly effect how the Steelers address their needs this off season. Gotta ask a question- given the importance of the NT position to a 3-4, and the importance of the TE position to the steelers O- was signing Heath Miller in the off season, and not Casey, a smart move?

Chadman would let Ryan Clark go. Solid player- seems a good guy. But the secondary needs playmakers- something Clark isn't.

Chadman would then look at offloading Ike Taylor & James Farrior. Add Deshea Townsend to that mix.

Chadman would be surprised if there were mass-changes- but 3 or 4 on Defense is believable.

If they lose Hampton, given the situation in the secondary, it would be a wise move to secure a FA NT. That way, you at least minimise the NEED to draft NT in Round 1. And that would allow the team the chance to grab a FS or CB in Round 1 & 2.

flippy
12-11-2009, 12:39 AM
This team is on the verge of falling to pieces.

So many guys are getting too old.

And we have no idea who many of their replacements will be.

brothervad
12-11-2009, 12:42 AM
Willie Parker (gone)
Casey Hampton (gone)
James Farrior (cut)
Ryan Clark (gone)
Jeff Reed (gone)
Aaron Smith (age)
Brett Keisel (age)

Our ILB is extremely weak now...Timmons isn't a bust but he is not where he needs to be. Farrior is done...I thought it earlier this year, now I know it.

the DL is getting old and it is starting to break down with injuries

Secondary is the weakest part of the D--Gay never should have been a starter and Ike is exposed as a sub par DB

Defense needs a lot of work--it doesn't have to retool overnight. I think the D-Line can be solid for next season, but they need to start replacing it.

Secondary needs revamped except for Troy ( I just don't think Clark will be paid the $ he wants)

The ILB needs help now. Farrior may lead in tackles but his coverage is weak now and you could see angles he took tonight.

It's time to retool the D.

brothervad

Chadman
12-11-2009, 12:43 AM
So what do you think we should do in FA?

How bout the draft?

Any coaching changes?

Which of our FAs should we sign and which should we let go?

And how about every first, second, and third year player starts these next 3 games. It could be like an extended preseason look at some of the young guys.

As for coaching changes- Tomlin won't be sacked. it won't happen.

Arians- yeah, he's pretty much gone. LeBeau could be asked to 'retire'. Larry Z & the zone blocking hasn't worked- gone. Ligushesky...probably gone too. Probably promote Keith Butler to DC. Not sure about OC, probably someone from outside the organisation. Get Jerry Olsavsky to become LB coach.

SidSmythe
12-11-2009, 12:43 AM
I honestly think Joe Burnett has the capabilities of being a big play CB. Maybe not a shut down CB, but I can see him getting 3+ INTS. a year as a starter.

IKE can cover and really has done a great job this year, BUT like Ryan Clark, he has his days where he's exposed and NEVER comes up w/ the big play. I'd expect more out of any NFL player. Being "Good" is one thing, but being "great" is what they aren't

skyhawk
12-11-2009, 12:46 AM
FIRE Arians and his crappy NO BACKS offense

Get Troy healthy and look for Farriors replacement

Agreed!!! A no backs offense with THE WORST OL IN FOOTBALL.

Steelhere10
12-11-2009, 12:54 AM
(1)Trade for Saun Rodgers (2) Cut, Farrior , Carter and Deshea (3)Trade Ike (4) Then draft the best ILB 1st , (5) Best available safety 2nd (6) and the best available CB 3rd. (7) Fire BA ( 8 ) Fire ST coach (9) Let the remaining unsigned FA walk.

feelthesteel
12-11-2009, 05:18 AM
It all starts at the TOP.

flippy
12-11-2009, 11:38 AM
Anyone out there thinking we should replace Tomlin?

Cowher, Gruden, Shanahan, Dungy, anyone else?

NW Steeler
12-11-2009, 11:45 AM
I like Tomlin. I put this more on the players than him. He definitely needs some different assistants though, like a new EFFING OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!!!

frankthetank1
12-11-2009, 11:55 AM
hire charlie fat azz weiss!!! :lol:

phillyesq
12-11-2009, 01:53 PM
Since we will be drafting a bit higher i expect the players drafted to contribute in 1st year itself.

Draft a FS,DT,CB.

Remove Bruce Arians, Horton and Porn King.

Bring back Chan Gailey.

Why would you expect that. I'm still waiting for the last player the Steelers selected early in the first round to contribute, and that was almost 3 years ago.

Oviedo
12-11-2009, 02:45 PM
So what do you think we should do in FA?

How bout the draft?

Any coaching changes?

Which of our FAs should we sign and which should we let go?

And how about every first, second, and third year player starts these next 3 games. It could be like an extended preseason look at some of the young guys.

As for coaching changes- Tomlin won't be sacked. it won't happen.

Arians- yeah, he's pretty much gone. LeBeau could be asked to 'retire'. Larry Z & the zone blocking hasn't worked- gone. Ligushesky...probably gone too. Probably promote Keith Butler to DC. Not sure about OC, probably someone from outside the organisation. Get Jerry Olsavsky to become LB coach.

Jeremy Bates was the OC/QB Coach at Denver. He is now OC at USC. If not mistaken I did read last year that he and Tomlin know each other pretty well. Potentially a young up and comer.

I also expect that Kubiak will be fired in Houston as head coach. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Bottomline though with OC is that Ben has a great relationship with Arians and trusts Arians. Not sure you want to mess with that and have Ben have a couple of off years if in conflict with the new guy.

NW Steeler
12-11-2009, 03:16 PM
So what do you think we should do in FA?

How bout the draft?

Any coaching changes?

Which of our FAs should we sign and which should we let go?

And how about every first, second, and third year player starts these next 3 games. It could be like an extended preseason look at some of the young guys.

As for coaching changes- Tomlin won't be sacked. it won't happen.

Arians- yeah, he's pretty much gone. LeBeau could be asked to 'retire'. Larry Z & the zone blocking hasn't worked- gone. Ligushesky...probably gone too. Probably promote Keith Butler to DC. Not sure about OC, probably someone from outside the organisation. Get Jerry Olsavsky to become LB coach.

Jeremy Bates was the OC/QB Coach at Denver. He is now OC at USC. If not mistaken I did read last year that he and Tomlin know each other pretty well. Potentially a young up and comer.

I also expect that Kubiak will be fired in Houston as head coach. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Bottomline though with OC is that Ben has a great relationship with Arians and trusts Arians. Not sure you want to mess with that and have Ben have a couple of off years if in conflict with the new guy.

I'm not so sure that having a new "authority" over Ben wouldn't be such a bad thing for him or the team

Iron Shiek
12-11-2009, 03:21 PM
Willie Parker (gone)
Casey Hampton (gone)
James Farrior (cut)
Ryan Clark (gone)
Jeff Reed (gone)
Aaron Smith (age)
Brett Keisel (age)

Our ILB is extremely weak now...Timmons isn't a bust but he is not where he needs to be. Farrior is done...I thought it earlier this year, now I know it.

the DL is getting old and it is starting to break down with injuries

Secondary is the weakest part of the D--Gay never should have been a starter and Ike is exposed as a sub par DB

Defense needs a lot of work--it doesn't have to retool overnight. I think the D-Line can be solid for next season, but they need to start replacing it.

Secondary needs revamped except for Troy ( I just don't think Clark will be paid the $ he wants)

The ILB needs help now. Farrior may lead in tackles but his coverage is weak now and you could see angles he took tonight.

It's time to retool the D.

brothervad


Good points here. Problem is that we could go back to the end of 2007 and probably find a thread or two that said the exact same things. I know we got Hood, but the DL has needed youth for a while. And I guess Timmons is not turning into what we thought either. It just sucks that we all saw the signs, and in some cases they tried to fix them, but 2 years later we are in the same place. Very Frustrating.

Gotta see Arians sent packing. I liked the thought where whoever said Kubiak. That'd be nice...and hopefully he brings the O-Line coach with him...can't remember his name, but its the guy that schemed up Denver's awesome O-Line for so many years. But if I recall, is it not zone blocking...I am not sure we have the personnel to continue it.

NWNewell
12-11-2009, 03:40 PM
So what do you think we should do in FA?

And how about every first, second, and third year player starts these next 3 games. It could be like an extended preseason look at some of the young guys.

I'd put them in pads for the rest of the season in practice... get back to fundamentals. Hitting, blocking, tackling. It's not like they need to be fresh for the playoffs. Who ever wants it the most and practices the smartest gets the starts. May everyone from rookie to veteran compete for playing time... talent be damned. Grade them solely on hustle and mental mistakes.

Use the rest of the season as a work out for next year focusing on the fundamentals, competitive edge, and see what rookies/newbies look the most promising with solid playing time to better determine the real needs in the off season.


I'm willing to bet that if the ones that want it the most and play the smartest in practice are the ones starting, we'll see better results on Sundays. Steelers-Browns game was a prime example of that. We've got far more talent, but they executed much better and wanted it much more.

JTP53609
12-11-2009, 03:47 PM
its so sad that we have no football to look forward to until September 12th

steelblood
12-11-2009, 05:17 PM
Willie Parker (gone)
Casey Hampton (gone)
James Farrior (cut)
Ryan Clark (gone)
Jeff Reed (gone)
Aaron Smith (age)
Brett Keisel (age)

Our ILB is extremely weak now...Timmons isn't a bust but he is not where he needs to be. Farrior is done...I thought it earlier this year, now I know it.

the DL is getting old and it is starting to break down with injuries

Secondary is the weakest part of the D--Gay never should have been a starter and Ike is exposed as a sub par DB

Defense needs a lot of work--it doesn't have to retool overnight. I think the D-Line can be solid for next season, but they need to start replacing it.

Secondary needs revamped except for Troy ( I just don't think Clark will be paid the $ he wants)

The ILB needs help now. Farrior may lead in tackles but his coverage is weak now and you could see angles he took tonight.

It's time to retool the D.

brothervad

Dude, did you watch Keisel this year? This was his best season. Yeah, he is not a pro bowl talent. but, he is in his early thirties and playing pretty well. He is the least of our problems.

RuthlessBurgher
12-12-2009, 01:46 PM
So what do you think we should do in FA?

How bout the draft?

Any coaching changes?

Which of our FAs should we sign and which should we let go?

And how about every first, second, and third year player starts these next 3 games. It could be like an extended preseason look at some of the young guys.

As for coaching changes- Tomlin won't be sacked. it won't happen.

Arians- yeah, he's pretty much gone. LeBeau could be asked to 'retire'. Larry Z & the zone blocking hasn't worked- gone. Ligushesky...probably gone too. Probably promote Keith Butler to DC. Not sure about OC, probably someone from outside the organisation. Get Jerry Olsavsky to become LB coach.

Jeremy Bates was the OC/QB Coach at Denver. He is now OC at USC. If not mistaken I did read last year that he and Tomlin know each other pretty well. Potentially a young up and comer.

I also expect that Kubiak will be fired in Houston as head coach. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Bottomline though with OC is that Ben has a great relationship with Arians and trusts Arians. Not sure you want to mess with that and have Ben have a couple of off years if in conflict with the new guy.

I mentioned Bates a year ago when he was still on Mike Shanahan's offensive coaching staff in Denver. He is young, smart, comes from a family of coaches, and worked with Tomlin in Tampa. However, I think that if he does decide to leave USC to return to the NFL, it will likely be as the O.C. for Mike Shanahan again, whereever he ends up as head coach.

RuthlessBurgher
12-12-2009, 01:51 PM
Willie Parker (gone)
Casey Hampton (gone)
James Farrior (cut)
Ryan Clark (gone)
Jeff Reed (gone)
Aaron Smith (age)
Brett Keisel (age)

Our ILB is extremely weak now...Timmons isn't a bust but he is not where he needs to be. Farrior is done...I thought it earlier this year, now I know it.

the DL is getting old and it is starting to break down with injuries

Secondary is the weakest part of the D--Gay never should have been a starter and Ike is exposed as a sub par DB

Defense needs a lot of work--it doesn't have to retool overnight. I think the D-Line can be solid for next season, but they need to start replacing it.

Secondary needs revamped except for Troy ( I just don't think Clark will be paid the $ he wants)

The ILB needs help now. Farrior may lead in tackles but his coverage is weak now and you could see angles he took tonight.

It's time to retool the D.

brothervad

Dude, did you watch Keisel this year? This was his best season. Yeah, he is not a pro bowl talent. but, he is in his early thirties and playing pretty well. He is the least of our problems.

:Agree

People just consider Keisel to be old, simply because the media has classified our DL as a whole as a bunch of aging guys. No one calls Harrison old (even though he is in his early 30's) because he hasn't been a starter for very long and therefore has more tread on his tires than most NFL players his age. Well, Keisel is the same age and Harrison, and they both have the same number of years as a starter (remember that Keisel was here for several years as a special teamer and a backup to von Oelhoffen). Keisel is in his prime now. Getting him signed to a 5 year extension with only a $5 million signing bonus this past offseason was a deal and a half.

RuthlessBurgher
12-12-2009, 02:01 PM
Gotta ask a question- given the importance of the NT position to a 3-4, and the importance of the TE position to the steelers O- was signing Heath Miller in the off season, and not Casey, a smart move?

It was absolutely, 100% the right move.

One guy is 32 years old, is in his 9th NFL season, and has battled weight problems.

The other is 27 years old, is in his 5th NFL season, and is in the midst of his best season to date.

More often than not, the Steelers are smart about extending young studs entering their prime over cornerstone players who are on the downsides of their careers.

No doubt that NT is a vital position to the 3-4. They still have the option of tagging Hampton if they want to (which I think is better to get him on a 1 year deal at this point in his career than on a long term deal). If not, they can draft someone like Alabama's Terrence Cody or Tennessee's Dan Williams to replace him, with Chris Hoke still available to start at the beginning of next season, allowing the big rook to rotate in gradually, until ready for the full time gig in 2011.