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flippy
12-10-2009, 12:19 PM
As much criticism as there is for the Defense and Special Teams play, Big Ben and the Offense deserve their share of criticism this season.

As great as Ben is at coming back, he leaves a lot of plays out on the field throughout the games.

It's time for Ben and the offense to start playing every down and every series like we're down 14.

We're playing bad teams and we're not putting them away. There's no reason our defense should be on the field in the 4th quarter with a lead less than 9 points. And there's no reason a return should rattle this team.

We've got weapons to put points on the board. But we're not doing it enough.

It's time to put the ball in the endzone.

1 man is making $100M in Pittsburgh, and he's most responsible for our record.

It's time to start playing up to the contract.

JTP53609
12-10-2009, 12:35 PM
he made a horrible decision last week with that red zone INT, but it was not his fault on either of the 2 INT's at K.C., Ben was nearly perfect against the chiefs, he struggled against the bungles but all and all in the games we have lost Ben has looked pretty decent. The Steelers need to catch the ball that is thrown their way and play better as a team against who ever they play from the first qtr on to the fourth......

BradshawsHairdresser
12-10-2009, 12:39 PM
As much criticism as there is for the Defense and Special Teams play, Big Ben and the Offense deserve their share of criticism this season.

As great as Ben is at coming back, he leaves a lot of plays out on the field throughout the games.

It's time for Ben and the offense to start playing every down and every series like we're down 14.

We're playing bad teams and we're not putting them away. There's no reason our defense should be on the field in the 4th quarter with a lead less than 9 points. And there's no reason a return should rattle this team.

We've got weapons to put points on the board. But we're not doing it enough.

It's time to put the ball in the endzone.

1 man is making $100M in Pittsburgh, and he's most responsible for our record.

It's time to start playing up to the contract.

Good post.

We win if we outscore the opponent...defense needs to allow LESS points, and offense needs to score MORE.

Don't forget BA when you speak about this offense. For example--if we take a little more time on that last drive vs. the Raiders, we win that game. Too many details, like clock management, are being mishandled...BA needs to man up and do his job or look for a different line of work.

flippy
12-10-2009, 12:46 PM
he made a horrible decision last week with that red zone INT, but it was not his fault on either of the 2 INT's at K.C., Ben was nearly perfect against the chiefs, he struggled against the bungles but all and all in the games we have lost Ben has looked pretty decent. The Steelers need to catch the ball that is thrown their way and play better as a team against who ever they play from the first qtr on to the fourth......

The INT last week was just a badly thrown ball. If the defender didn't catch it, Hines wouldn't have been close to it either.

He had a few other throws that were just off last week.

flippy
12-10-2009, 12:47 PM
As much criticism as there is for the Defense and Special Teams play, Big Ben and the Offense deserve their share of criticism this season.

As great as Ben is at coming back, he leaves a lot of plays out on the field throughout the games.

It's time for Ben and the offense to start playing every down and every series like we're down 14.

We're playing bad teams and we're not putting them away. There's no reason our defense should be on the field in the 4th quarter with a lead less than 9 points. And there's no reason a return should rattle this team.

We've got weapons to put points on the board. But we're not doing it enough.

It's time to put the ball in the endzone.

1 man is making $100M in Pittsburgh, and he's most responsible for our record.

It's time to start playing up to the contract.

Good post.

We win if we outscore the opponent...defense needs to allow LESS points, and offense needs to score MORE.

Don't forget BA when you speak about this offense. For example--if we take a little more time on that last drive vs. the Raiders, we win that game. Too many details, like clock management, are being mishandled...BA needs to man up and do his job or look for a different line of work.

Ben says he likes the way Bruce calls the game, so for now I absolve Bruce. Ben feels like he's in position to make plays. But he isn't making enough.

JTP53609
12-10-2009, 12:49 PM
As much criticism as there is for the Defense and Special Teams play, Big Ben and the Offense deserve their share of criticism this season.

As great as Ben is at coming back, he leaves a lot of plays out on the field throughout the games.

It's time for Ben and the offense to start playing every down and every series like we're down 14.

We're playing bad teams and we're not putting them away. There's no reason our defense should be on the field in the 4th quarter with a lead less than 9 points. And there's no reason a return should rattle this team.

We've got weapons to put points on the board. But we're not doing it enough.

It's time to put the ball in the endzone.

1 man is making $100M in Pittsburgh, and he's most responsible for our record.

It's time to start playing up to the contract.

Good post.

We win if we outscore the opponent...defense needs to allow LESS points, and offense needs to score MORE.

Don't forget BA when you speak about this offense. For example--if we take a little more time on that last drive vs. the Raiders, we win that game. Too many details, like clock management, are being mishandled...BA needs to man up and do his job or look for a different line of work.

i agree with you guys, i wish there was less time on the clock so the raiders would not have drove90 yards on our defense.
but to BA's defense, what should he have done on that first and ten from the 11, handed it off to Mendy and say dont score just go down we will go for the tochdown on third down so that there is less time on the clock....

NWNewell
12-10-2009, 12:58 PM
A few off throws isn't playing bad. The best in the game have bad throws 30% of the time.

But our offense is playing very poorly in the redzone. We just can't expect to win if we continue to miss out on scoring opportunities.

I wish Ben and the offense would play better too. But the offense isn't playing poorly overall.

The problem is their situational football, as someone else on this board said. Something that Tomlin often preaches, but something that doesn't seem to be getting coached. Or at least it's not translating to the field.

Redzone and 3rd down percentage are the black eyes on this offense. To me, that comes down to coaching and play calling. I don't think players remember to execute and play well in some areas and then forget and play undiciplened in other areas.


And for those who say we scored to quickly. That is an oximoronic statement. You can call a running play so that "IF" he doesn't get in the clock keeps running. But you never tell a player "not" to score when you are behind. You might not get another shot. And if they felt that a passing play was the best chance to score. Then you do it. You won't score on every play and if scarfic an opportuinty, you make have cost yourselves the game. You play to win. End of story.

PS If we were down by 1 or 2 points, then you definitly run in and if he doesn't get in you run out the clock and still win with a field goal. But you don't do that when a fieldgoal will only tie it and send you to overtime (or lose it).

williar
12-10-2009, 01:58 PM
As much criticism as there is for the Defense and Special Teams play, Big Ben and the Offense deserve their share of criticism this season.

As great as Ben is at coming back, he leaves a lot of plays out on the field throughout the games.

It's time for Ben and the offense to start playing every down and every series like we're down 14.

We're playing bad teams and we're not putting them away. There's no reason our defense should be on the field in the 4th quarter with a lead less than 9 points. And there's no reason a return should rattle this team.

We've got weapons to put points on the board. But we're not doing it enough.

It's time to put the ball in the endzone.

1 man is making $100M in Pittsburgh, and he's most responsible for our record.

It's time to start playing up to the contract.

I agree! Our offense should be more dominant than it has been. I know the defense hasn't been clutch either, but we cannot continue to overlook the fact the our defense is missing four key starters (smith, troy foote, b-mac) from last season. Those are significant losses. I thought this would be the year that our offense would carry the torch for the defense. We have the talent, but for the most part Ben and Co haven't been executing very well consistently...I agree! It's time for this offense to step up and start putting more points on the board and put these lesser defenses away by halftime. You think if the raiders would have been down 21-6 at halftime, we would have had to scramble like we did in the forth quarter just to comeback?

flippy
12-10-2009, 03:56 PM
And for those who say we scored to quickly. That is an oximoronic statement. You can call a running play so that "IF" he doesn't get in the clock keeps running. But you never tell a player "not" to score when you are behind. You might not get another shot. And if they felt that a passing play was the best chance to score. Then you do it. You won't score on every play and if scarfic an opportuinty, you make have cost yourselves the game. You play to win. End of story.

PS If we were down by 1 or 2 points, then you definitly run in and if he doesn't get in you run out the clock and still win with a field goal. But you don't do that when a fieldgoal will only tie it and send you to overtime (or lose it).

But the problem is we can't trust our D. If we take some time down and have to kick a FG to go to overtime, at least we'd have a 50/50 chance of getting the ball first in OT as a worst case scenario.

brothervad
12-10-2009, 04:24 PM
Let me state this up front: Ben is the least of the Steelers problems.

But that being said, There are bad throws and then there are BAD throws.

The pick on Sunday was a "BAD" throw. Ben had forever to throw. I know people have come to accept the live by the sword/die by the sword that is Ben. I did too.

The problem is the team's shortcomings are so apparent they can no longer overcome the "BAD".

This isn't Ben's fault, but like a team, Ben needs to adjust his game a bit accordingly.

Points are too much of a commodity for a team that has a D that falls apart at the 4th quarter.

All I am saying is that Ben needs to adjust his internal timeclock a bit...take the points if necessary by throwing it away.

In a game that was decided by 3 points...Ben had two chances to allow the O to come away with at least 6 points (I don't think the pick was a third down play so there was a chance it could've been more but let's assume 6).

Tomlin who in his PC said Ben did good things did identify the pick and sack as shortcomings from Ben.

Adjustments are necessary even in the greatest players...Manning and Brady both have to make those adjustments as well. Ben needs to do the same IMHO.

brothervad

NWNewell
12-10-2009, 06:52 PM
And for those who say we scored to quickly. That is an oximoronic statement. You can call a running play so that "IF" he doesn't get in the clock keeps running. But you never tell a player "not" to score when you are behind. You might not get another shot. And if they felt that a passing play was the best chance to score. Then you do it. You won't score on every play and if scarfic an opportuinty, you make have cost yourselves the game. You play to win. End of story.

PS If we were down by 1 or 2 points, then you definitly run in and if he doesn't get in you run out the clock and still win with a field goal. But you don't do that when a fieldgoal will only tie it and send you to overtime (or lose it).

But the problem is we can't trust our D. If we take some time down and have to kick a FG to go to overtime, at least we'd have a 50/50 chance of getting the ball first in OT as a worst case scenario.

I still say your logic is flawed. Even with our struggling defense, if we kick a field goal and say we win the coin toss, what are the odds of us drving down for a score? 50%... lets say 60% for arguements sake. So with a 50/50 chance of wining the toss and a 60% chance of mounting a scoring drive. That leaves us with a 30% chance of scoring in OT. Now when do you think the Raiders have a better chance of scoring on their next possetion? Under 2 minutes at the end of the game, or all of OT when they can take their time.


Taking a 4 point lead at the end of regulation and playing defense for 1:30 is the best opporunity to win. Even if it is the best offense against the worst defense.