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fordfixer
12-09-2009, 03:11 AM
Notebook: Ben doesn't belittle Ward's sore hammy

By: Mike Bires
Beaver County Times
http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sport ... hammy.html (http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2009/december/09/notebook-ben-doesnt-belittle-wards-sore-hammy.html)
Wednesday December 9, 2009 12:21 AM

PITTSBURGH — Talk about irony. Ten days after Hines Ward questioned Ben Roethlisberger’s toughness, the shoe was on the other foot.

Due to a grade 1 hamstring pull, Ward is questionable for Thursday night’s game in Cleveland.

When asked about Ward’s injury, Roethlisberger didn’t cause a controversy like Ward did on Nov. 29.

“Hines will do what’s best for Hines, I’m sure,” Roethlisberger said Tuesday. “I don’t want Hines to be hurt. I want him out there playing. But if he can’t play, he can’t play.”

Before the Steelers played in Baltimore, Ward said he was disappointed that Roethlisberger didn’t play because “it’s just a concussion.” Ward also said the Steelers’ locker room had a 50/50 split over Roethlisberger not playing against the archrival Ravens.

Ward, who was hurt on the next-to-last play in Sunday’s 27-24 loss to Oakland, is listed as questionable for the game against Cleveland. He did not practice Tuesday but may try to work out today.

“You know me, I’m a competitor,” Ward said. “People on this team know that I’m a competitor. I’ll try to do all I can to play. I’m going to do all I can to be out there. Never count me out.

“But I have to be smart at the same time,” Ward added. “If I don’t feel I’m capable of playing, I won’t go out there and jeopardize more games the rest of the year.”

If Ward can’t play, rookie Mike Wallace will start in his place.

Limas Sweed would be the No. 3 receiver and unless there’s a last-minute roster move, Stefan Logan, who’s been strictly used a kick return specialist, would be the No. 4 wideout.
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WHAT CHANGES?

At his press Monday press conference, coach Mike Tomlin said there would be personnel changes in an attempt to end the Steelers’ four-game long streak. But based on Tuesday’s practice, it’s hard to gauge what changes, if any, will be made in the starting lineup.

Both starting corners — Ike Taylor and William Gay — practiced with the first-team defense. Tomlin said that because Gay suffered a concussion Sunday, that he would likely be replaced by rookie Joe Burnett.

“I went through all the (concussion) tests and the doctors allowed me to practice,” Gay said. “I didn’t have any headaches today, so I’m aiming to play.”

Burnett said that he hasn’t been told if he’ll start, but said, “I’m ready.”

Meanwhile, Tomlin also insinuated that Taylor might be replaced because of his performance against the Raiders. But Taylor said he expects to start.

Burnett and fellow rookie Keenan Lewis did get plenty of reps at practice Tuesday. Rookie tackle Ramon Foster took plenty of snaps at right tackle. But Foster said that he split time with Willie Colon because Colon’s back is a little sore.

OTHER INJURIES

For the first time since breaking his left wrist in the Nov. 22 loss in Kansas City, back-up QB Charlie Batch practiced. Although the Steelers’ injury report listed him as a full participant, Batch was clearly limited with what he could do.

It’s very unlikely he’ll be in uniform Thursday.

Also, RB Rashard Mendenhall was limited at practice with an ankle injury, but he’s expected to start.

NC Steeler Fan
12-09-2009, 10:55 AM
Glad to see Charlie is healing up.

I know some people think he's a weak link, but I say he's still worth
a lot to us!

NWNewell
12-09-2009, 12:14 PM
Ben may not have belittle Ward, but the comment "Hines will do what's best for Hines, I'm sure" wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement. More like a shot across the bow.

Before I heard that comment, I sort of shrugged off all the talk about the tension between them thinking, hey they may not be best friends, but you never are with everyone you work with. Some are just acquaintances that you probably wouldn't chose to hang out with. And that Ward's comments last week were more spawn from frustrations and mis-communication, and they way they handled last minute issue.

But I'm starting to think there really is a bit of a rift between them.

Iron Shiek
12-09-2009, 01:04 PM
I've completely ignored all of this bull crap that Hines "called" out Ben. The media has taken this thing way out of proportion. So I've chosen to ignore it. I still can't believe people are bringing it up. And now of course Hines is hurt, so all the media talking corpses can't wait to hear Ben call Hines out and are praying he will. Go freakin report some news instead of giving us your wishes on a "scism" that doesn't exist. Total bag of donkey $hit in my mind this whole store is.

feltdizz
12-09-2009, 06:28 PM
I've completely ignored all of this bull crap that Hines "called" out Ben. The media has taken this thing way out of proportion. So I've chosen to ignore it. I still can't believe people are bringing it up. And now of course Hines is hurt, so all the media talking corpses can't wait to hear Ben call Hines out and are praying he will. Go freakin report some news instead of giving us your wishes on a "scism" that doesn't exist. Total bag of donkey $hit in my mind this whole store is.

sorry but Hines called out Ben....
Holmes called out Ben...
I remember Ben calling out Holmes right after he was drafted and got in trouble.
Ben also just called out Hines with the "Hines will do what's best for Hines"

and yet.....it all means nothing cause Ben still throws to them and they still try to catch them.

sd steel
12-09-2009, 06:48 PM
The difference is a concussion is an injury that you can still perform your job with, and a pulled hamstring is something that can hinder your performance. If Hines has a pulled hamstring he can't play because he can't run. A week old concussion on the other hand is something that could give you lasting effects if you take another noggin shot, but shouldn't have any impact on you playing today. If you don't want concussions, don't play football, because it happens to everyone....except William Gay because he will always slip before having to make a tackle.

grotonsteel
12-09-2009, 07:32 PM
The difference is a concussion is an injury that you can still perform your job with, and a pulled hamstring is something that can hinder your performance. If Hines has a pulled hamstring he can't play because he can't run. A week old concussion on the other hand is something that could give you lasting effects if you take another noggin shot, but shouldn't have any impact on you playing today. If you don't want concussions, don't play football, because it happens to everyone....except William Gay because he will always slip before having to make a tackle.

I am not a concussion expert but i think concussion should impact a QB performance.

sd steel
12-09-2009, 08:02 PM
The difference is a concussion is an injury that you can still perform your job with, and a pulled hamstring is something that can hinder your performance. If Hines has a pulled hamstring he can't play because he can't run. A week old concussion on the other hand is something that could give you lasting effects if you take another noggin shot, but shouldn't have any impact on you playing today. If you don't want concussions, don't play football, because it happens to everyone....except William Gay because he will always slip before having to make a tackle.

I am not a concussion expert but i think concussion should impact a QB performance.


Well I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV, and a concussion would not impact any players performance a week out. If a concussion was that severe, he wouldn't be able to practice great for 3 days prior to the game. And it's not like Ben does alot of thinking in the pocket.

stlrz d
12-10-2009, 12:55 AM
Wow is there some serious BS being posted here in regards to concussions.

Love those "no concussion would ever stop me" tough guy, message board posters.

http://members.gamedev.net/vilio/LMAO.jpg

RuthlessBurgher
12-10-2009, 01:10 AM
The difference is a concussion is an injury that you can still perform your job with, and a pulled hamstring is something that can hinder your performance. If Hines has a pulled hamstring he can't play because he can't run. A week old concussion on the other hand is something that could give you lasting effects if you take another noggin shot, but shouldn't have any impact on you playing today. If you don't want concussions, don't play football, because it happens to everyone....except William Gay because he will always slip before having to make a tackle.

I guess you must have missed the play where Gay had to leave the Raider game because he suffered a concussion.

sd steel
12-10-2009, 09:58 AM
The difference is a concussion is an injury that you can still perform your job with, and a pulled hamstring is something that can hinder your performance. If Hines has a pulled hamstring he can't play because he can't run. A week old concussion on the other hand is something that could give you lasting effects if you take another noggin shot, but shouldn't have any impact on you playing today. If you don't want concussions, don't play football, because it happens to everyone....except William Gay because he will always slip before having to make a tackle.

I guess you must have missed the play where Gay had to leave the Raider game because he suffered a concussion.

I'm talk about a concussion that happened a week earlier, not one that you received minutes ago, smarta$$.

sd steel
12-10-2009, 10:05 AM
Wow is there some serious BS being posted here in regards to concussions.

Love those "no concussion would ever stop me" tough guy, message board posters.

http://members.gamedev.net/vilio/LMAO.jpg


Well unlike you, message board dorks, I have played football at a high level, so I know what my body is capable of. You can normally perform fine 24 hours after a concussion, and it was pretty obvious that Ben's was pretty minor, as compared to Gay's last week.

NWNewell
12-10-2009, 10:34 AM
[quote="sd steel":2pzl6f64]The difference is a concussion is an injury that you can still perform your job with, and a pulled hamstring is something that can hinder your performance. If Hines has a pulled hamstring he can't play because he can't run. A week old concussion on the other hand is something that could give you lasting effects if you take another noggin shot, but shouldn't have any impact on you playing today. If you don't want concussions, don't play football, because it happens to everyone....except William Gay because he will always slip before having to make a tackle.

I am not a concussion expert but i think concussion should impact a QB performance.


Well I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV, and a concussion would not impact any players performance a week out. If a concussion was that severe, he wouldn't be able to practice great for 3 days prior to the game. And it's not like Ben does alot of thinking in the pocket.[/quote:2pzl6f64]


Ever heard of a guy named Merril Hoge?


Something tells my I'm merely :HeadBanger with this reply.

RuthlessBurgher
12-10-2009, 10:58 AM
[quote="sd steel":18xc2u3r]The difference is a concussion is an injury that you can still perform your job with, and a pulled hamstring is something that can hinder your performance. If Hines has a pulled hamstring he can't play because he can't run. A week old concussion on the other hand is something that could give you lasting effects if you take another noggin shot, but shouldn't have any impact on you playing today. If you don't want concussions, don't play football, because it happens to everyone....except William Gay because he will always slip before having to make a tackle.

I am not a concussion expert but i think concussion should impact a QB performance.


Well I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV, and a concussion would not impact any players performance a week out. If a concussion was that severe, he wouldn't be able to practice great for 3 days prior to the game. And it's not like Ben does alot of thinking in the pocket.


Ever heard of a guy named Merril Hoge?


Something tells my I'm merely :HeadBanger with this reply.[/quote:18xc2u3r]

Stop banging your head against that wall! You'll get a concussion. :wink:

NWNewell
12-10-2009, 11:08 AM
Well I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV, and a concussion would not impact any players performance a week out. If a concussion was that severe, he wouldn't be able to practice great for 3 days prior to the game. And it's not like Ben does alot of thinking in the pocket.


Ever heard of a guy named Merril Hoge?


Something tells my I'm merely :HeadBanger with this reply.

Stop banging your head against that wall! You'll get a concussion. :wink:

That's ok... I can still be back here posting away with no ill effects. :Beer

RuthlessBurgher
12-10-2009, 11:10 AM
Well I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV, and a concussion would not impact any players performance a week out. If a concussion was that severe, he wouldn't be able to practice great for 3 days prior to the game. And it's not like Ben does alot of thinking in the pocket.


Ever heard of a guy named Merril Hoge?


Something tells my I'm merely :HeadBanger with this reply.

Stop banging your head against that wall! You'll get a concussion. :wink:

That's ok... I can still be back here posting away with no ill effects. :Beer

If you get any typing induced headaches, though, let the mods know right away. :P

grotonsteel
12-10-2009, 02:31 PM
[quote="stlrz d":ts6ceg0v]Wow is there some serious BS being posted here in regards to concussions.

Love those "no concussion would ever stop me" tough guy, message board posters.

http://members.gamedev.net/vilio/LMAO.jpg


Well unlike you, message board dorks, I have played football at a high level, so I know what my body is capable of. You can normally perform fine 24 hours after a concussion, and it was pretty obvious that Ben's was pretty minor, as compared to Gay's last week.[/quote:ts6ceg0v]

Which FLAG Football League you play in???

RuthlessBurgher
12-10-2009, 04:06 PM
[quote="stlrz d":8aureb37]Wow is there some serious BS being posted here in regards to concussions.

Love those "no concussion would ever stop me" tough guy, message board posters.

http://members.gamedev.net/vilio/LMAO.jpg


Well unlike you, message board dorks, I have played football at a high level, so I know what my body is capable of. You can normally perform fine 24 hours after a concussion, and it was pretty obvious that Ben's was pretty minor, as compared to Gay's last week.

Which FLAG Football League you play in???[/quote:8aureb37]

We message board dorks don't even play flag football, because we are all fat nerds and flag football requires speed and stamina. A few of us could probably whoop some tail on expert levels of Madden though, because of our unparalleled thumb agility. :)

ikestops85
12-10-2009, 04:24 PM
[quote="stlrz d":2b3vg5d2]Wow is there some serious BS being posted here in regards to concussions.

Love those "no concussion would ever stop me" tough guy, message board posters.

http://members.gamedev.net/vilio/LMAO.jpg


Well unlike you, message board dorks, I have played football at a high level, so I know what my body is capable of. You can normally perform fine 24 hours after a concussion, and it was pretty obvious that Ben's was pretty minor, as compared to Gay's last week.[/quote:2b3vg5d2]

Well, this message board dork will be spending the night at this place


http://www.booking.com/images/hotel/org/675/675461.jpg

So I'll be able to answer all of you questions tomorrow. :lol: :lol:

sd steel
12-10-2009, 06:30 PM
[quote="stlrz d":1tkzpybc]Wow is there some serious BS being posted here in regards to concussions.

Love those "no concussion would ever stop me" tough guy, message board posters.

http://members.gamedev.net/vilio/LMAO.jpg


Well unlike you, message board dorks, I have played football at a high level, so I know what my body is capable of. You can normally perform fine 24 hours after a concussion, and it was pretty obvious that Ben's was pretty minor, as compared to Gay's last week.

Which FLAG Football League you play in???[/quote:1tkzpybc]

I'm not claiming to be famous, because I'm not, but I have played over 12 years of contact football as a fullback, tailback and LB, starting when I was 10. I have played with and against Robert Griffith, Tommy Vardell and a Heisman candidate in 1989. In fact my college team is playing in a big rivalry game on Saturday. I did play flag football when I was 9. Stlrs D was trying to take a shot at me, and I had to remind him that he has never played....whereas I have.

stlrz d
12-10-2009, 10:07 PM
[quote="sd steel":1dsf8hes][quote="stlrz d":1dsf8hes]Wow is there some serious BS being posted here in regards to concussions.

Love those "no concussion would ever stop me" tough guy, message board posters.

http://members.gamedev.net/vilio/LMAO.jpg


Well unlike you, message board dorks, I have played football at a high level, so I know what my body is capable of. You can normally perform fine 24 hours after a concussion, and it was pretty obvious that Ben's was pretty minor, as compared to Gay's last week.

Which FLAG Football League you play in???[/quote:1dsf8hes]

I'm not claiming to be famous, because I'm not, but I have played over 12 years of contact football as a fullback, tailback and LB, starting when I was 10. I have played with and against Robert Griffith, Tommy Vardell and a Heisman candidate in 1989. In fact my college team is playing in a big rivalry game on Saturday. I did play flag football when I was 9. Stlrs D was trying to take a shot at me, and I had to remind him that he has never played....whereas I have.[/quote:1dsf8hes]

And you'd be wrong.

Must be from the effects of all those concussions you played too soon after having received.

He-man.

sd steel
12-11-2009, 01:15 AM
[quote=grotonsteel][quote="sd steel":2kfsk1ck][quote="stlrz d":2kfsk1ck]Wow is there some serious BS being posted here in regards to concussions.

Love those "no concussion would ever stop me" tough guy, message board posters.

http://members.gamedev.net/vilio/LMAO.jpg


Well unlike you, message board dorks, I have played football at a high level, so I know what my body is capable of. You can normally perform fine 24 hours after a concussion, and it was pretty obvious that Ben's was pretty minor, as compared to Gay's last week.

Which FLAG Football League you play in???[/quote:2kfsk1ck]

I'm not claiming to be famous, because I'm not, but I have played over 12 years of contact football as a fullback, tailback and LB, starting when I was 10. I have played with and against Robert Griffith, Tommy Vardell and a Heisman candidate in 1989. In fact my college team is playing in a big rivalry game on Saturday. I did play flag football when I was 9. Stlrs D was trying to take a shot at me, and I had to remind him that he has never played....whereas I have.[/quote:2kfsk1ck]

And you'd be wrong.

Must be from the effects of all those concussions you played too soon after having received.

He-man.[/quote:2kfsk1ck]

I'm not wrong. You have shown in numerous posts that you have no knowledge of the game, and you like to use the newspapers opinions as your own. You have never strapped on a helmet, and I am guessing with your sig you were probably in your high school band. It's great that you are a Steeler fan, but don't pretend like you have any real knowledge of the game, because it's obvious that you don't.

stlrz d
12-11-2009, 01:25 AM
I'm not wrong. You have shown in numerous posts that you have no knowledge of the game, and you like to use the newspapers opinions as your own. You have never strapped on a helmet, and I am guessing with your sig you were probably in your high school band. It's great that you are a Steeler fan, but don't pretend like you have any real knowledge of the game, because it's obvious that you don't.

Actually it's clear by your posts that you have never strapped on a helmet. You actually got your concussions falling face first into kegs while doing keg stands. It's clear by your posts that you have never played a down of football in your life.

See tough guy, two can play at that game.

12 years my ass.

sd steel
12-11-2009, 01:52 AM
[quote="sd steel":3vkgcb09]
I'm not wrong. You have shown in numerous posts that you have no knowledge of the game, and you like to use the newspapers opinions as your own. You have never strapped on a helmet, and I am guessing with your sig you were probably in your high school band. It's great that you are a Steeler fan, but don't pretend like you have any real knowledge of the game, because it's obvious that you don't.

Actually it's clear by your posts that you have never strapped on a helmet. You actually got your concussions falling face first into kegs while doing keg stands. It's clear by your posts that you have never played a down of football in your life.

See tough guy, two can play at that game.

12 years my bad word.[/quote:3vkgcb09]

You can watch my Alma mater play Navy on Saturday. I played Pop Warner from 10 years old till high school where Robert Griffith was on my team, and wasn't even a starter). I played one year on JV starting at Tail back and MLB, (Monte Vista High School), where I also played against Robert Griffith, and Tommy Vardell, then started both ways on varsity first year at Free safety and Tail back, second year as conerback and tail back and senior year as MLB and Tail back. I also returned kicks and long snapped for pat's, FG's and punts. I was recruited by a handful on westcoast schools, but my old man wanted me to go to an Academy. I played one year at a prep school in Jersey to get my SAT's up and played fullback in the wish bone. Then I was a back up once I got to DIV 1, and played mostly on the meat squad showing looks to the starters for 3 years where we led the NCAA in rushing for a couple of years, and one of our half backs was up for the heisman (Mike Maywether). I left after the middle of my junior/cow year, because I hated the place and football turned into work. It wasn't fun anymore. If you are from the Pittsburgh area, you might remember a classmate of mine who went to Mt. Leb, and played QB in 86, Otto Leone. He played with me at the prep school and at the Academy.

So where did you play?

stlrz d
12-11-2009, 08:53 AM
Good for you and thank you for your service. I wasn't blessed with any size, speed or strength no matter how hard I worked at it...and I worked VERY hard at it. I played 4 years of OLB in HS and two years of safety at division III Lakeland College in Sheboygan, WI.

I didn't have all the ability so many others had. I had to play smart because that was what I had. I don't have the resume you have because I did not have the physical abilities.

We had no pee wee football where I lived...so I never got that opportunity.

You were right about one thing though. I also played drums in the HS band. But I was not in anything other than band class during football season because I couldn't play and also be part of the marching band.

So can we end the "you never strapped on a helmet" foolishness now please?