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BradshawsHairdresser
11-22-2009, 06:12 PM
This is a team that has played like they thought they were penciled in for the playoffs.

And now, we see the ugly reality that they may not even MAKE the playoffs.

Where is the sense of urgency? The hunger? The passion and drive to do whatever it takes to win games? I don't see it.

Championship teams don't give up a kick return for a touchdown every game. Exactly what has been done from the coaching end to try to FIX this problem? Whatever they're doing, it ISN'T getting it done. You can try to bring in better athletes for STs, but I agree with Keisel, kick coverage, more than anything, boils down to DESIRE. And it just isn't there.

It's not just on ST's...it's an attitude that permeates this whole team. They are playing like they're satisfied with last year's SB victory. They're not playing like they want it this year.

Soon, whether they want it or not will be IRRELEVANT, because they will find themselves OUT of the RUNNING.

While there are many facets to the problem, ultimately it winds up in the lap of Tomlin.
For all his talk, I believe he was satisfied with last year's title to the point where he's gotten complacent. And the whole team is reflecting that attitude.

Extremely, extremely disappointing.

When you can't beat the Kansas City freakin' Chiefs, you don't deserve to make the playoffs.

Steel Life
11-22-2009, 06:32 PM
To put this all on Tomlin isn't correct because he's not responsible for injuries to key players like Troy & Aaron, & the players have to execute...but he is responsible for reigning in both Arians & Lebeau - & it's clear that some reigning in needs to be done. The numbers are there for both, but when you're getting the results then you need to make those changes. For Arians it may be more balance & changing the routes some of the guys are running...for LeBeau, while it's tough having to play your 3rd & 4th string DE's & a hit-or-miss player like Carter, you can't make it worse by playing an improvisational style where you just don't have the players to make it work.

BradshawsHairdresser
11-22-2009, 06:37 PM
To put this all on Tomlin isn't correct because he's not responsible for injuries to key players like Troy & Aaron, & the players have to execute...but he is responsible for reigning in both Arians & Lebeau - & it's clear that some reigning in needs to be done. The numbers are there for both, but when you're getting the results then you need to make those changes. For Arians it may be more balance & changing the routes some of the guys are running...for LeBeau, while it's tough having to play your 3rd & 4th string DE's & a hit-or-miss player like Carter, you can't make it worse by playing an improvisational style where you just don't have the players to make it work.

I'm not putting it all on Tomlin, but when the guy on top has no sense of urgency, how can you expect the players to? And why ISN'T he "reigning in" Arians and LeBeau? Simple--it hasn't been all that big a concern to him. And what about stepping in and doing something about ST's? Why not? Guess he's content to sit home and kiss last year's Super Bowl ring.

After last week's pathetic, crap-laden effort, you'd think he would have shook things up to wake up his team. It's obvious that didn't happen.

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 06:39 PM
How do you know he has no sense of urgency?

His job depends on him having a sense of urgency.

Is he supposed to run around like a maniac simply to placate the fans, who undoubtedly would criticize him for his lack of composure?

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 06:56 PM
Oh yeah, and a SB "hangover" is every bit as fictitious as the Madden "curse".

Steel Life
11-22-2009, 06:57 PM
I will say this...I don think that he needs to have the the team put on the pads during the week's practice because they haven't earned it. And I'm looking to Tomlin to bust on some guys now - like he did with Casey & Mendenhall - & get some guys worried about their jobs.

feltdizz
11-22-2009, 07:04 PM
it's the small things.. holding penalties, illegal formation, ST's coverage, DB's dropping INT's and giving up 3rd and whatever...

Tomlin indeed doesn't look fired up when we are up by 10 or down by 10.. and although it may be his style I have seen enough highlights to know he can get after them and still keep it cool.

The SB hangover is indeed in full effect.. just like the madden curse.. maybe they don't exist but the numbers tell a different story. Way too many teams put up a stinker after the SB and those who repeat end up getting caught for cheating..

Pats and Bronco's both did.. LOL!!

BURGH86STEEL
11-22-2009, 07:07 PM
I love the SB hangover excuse. I don't believe anyone thought that two weeks ago. There is still plenty of football to be played.

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 07:09 PM
I love the SB hangover excuse. I don't believe anyone thought that two weeks ago. There is still plenty of football to be played.

Agreed.

The Steelers are playing sloppy and still 6-4...with a lot of football left to play.

The Bengals are struggling with the Raiders...are they suffering from "swept the defending champs hangover" today? :lol:

BradshawsHairdresser
11-22-2009, 07:12 PM
How do you know he has no sense of urgency?

His job depends on him having a sense of urgency.

Is he supposed to run around like a maniac simply to placate the fans, who undoubtedly would criticize him for his lack of composure?

He doesn't need to "run around like a maniac," but he DOES need to tend to underachieving, sloppy play by players and inept play-calling and coaching by coaches. That may include sitting players, suspending them, fining them, reigning in coaches, getting more involved in offensive and defensive game-planning and even in ST coaching. What evidence have we seen that Tomlin has done ANY of this, other than benching Mendy for one game because of a poor practice?

Why didn't he fine/bench Skippy after his public embarrassment last month?
Why didn't he deal with Woodley and his woeful underachieving the first two months of this season?
Why the heck is Bruce Arians still allowed to call bonehead calls like a sweep with Moore on 3rd and 2?
There's blame enough to go around for almost everyone, but the buck has to stop with Tomlin. This season, he's done a crappy job.

BradshawsHairdresser
11-22-2009, 07:17 PM
I love the SB hangover excuse. I don't believe anyone thought that two weeks ago. There is still plenty of football to be played.

I've posted about the Super Bowl hangover throughout this season. It wasn't something I just came up with.

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 07:18 PM
How do you know he has no sense of urgency?

His job depends on him having a sense of urgency.

Is he supposed to run around like a maniac simply to placate the fans, who undoubtedly would criticize him for his lack of composure?

He doesn't need to "run around like a maniac," but he DOES need to tend to underachieving, sloppy play by players and inept play-calling and coaching by coaches. That may include sitting players, suspending them, fining them, reigning in coaches, getting more involved in offensive and defensive game-planning and even in ST coaching. What evidence have we seen that Tomlin has done ANY of this, other than benching Mendy for one game because of a poor practice?

Why didn't he fine/bench Skippy after his public embarrassment last month?
Why didn't he deal with Woodley and his woeful underachieving the first two months of this season?
Why the heck is Bruce Arians still allowed to call bonehead calls like a sweep with Moore on 3rd and 2?
There's blame enough to go around for almost everyone, but the buck has to stop with Tomlin. This season, he's done a crappy job.

He benched Holmes for a game last season too.

Why should a guy lose his job so Skippy can be benched? Cuz that's the only way to do it. If Skippy is benched and we bring in another kicker for one game it means someone has to be cut...and they lose their livelihood. Why? I suppose he could have fined him but he probably felt that wouldn't have accomplished anything. Maybe he doesn't want to resign Skippy and he's letting him hang himself with his own rope?

Woodley was being dropped back into pass coverage an awful lot earlier in the season. He still is, but not as much as he was earlier.

BA...you got me on that one. :lol:

BradshawsHairdresser
11-22-2009, 07:31 PM
[quote="stlrz d":1lnx4h53]How do you know he has no sense of urgency?

His job depends on him having a sense of urgency.

Is he supposed to run around like a maniac simply to placate the fans, who undoubtedly would criticize him for his lack of composure?

He doesn't need to "run around like a maniac," but he DOES need to tend to underachieving, sloppy play by players and inept play-calling and coaching by coaches. That may include sitting players, suspending them, fining them, reigning in coaches, getting more involved in offensive and defensive game-planning and even in ST coaching. What evidence have we seen that Tomlin has done ANY of this, other than benching Mendy for one game because of a poor practice?

Why didn't he fine/bench Skippy after his public embarrassment last month?
Why didn't he deal with Woodley and his woeful underachieving the first two months of this season?
Why the heck is Bruce Arians still allowed to call bonehead calls like a sweep with Moore on 3rd and 2?
There's blame enough to go around for almost everyone, but the buck has to stop with Tomlin. This season, he's done a crappy job.

He benched Holmes for a game last season too.

Why should a guy lose his job so Skippy can be benched? Cuz that's the only way to do it. If Skippy is benched and we bring in another kicker for one game it means someone has to be cut...and they lose their livelihood. Why? I suppose he could have fined him but he probably felt that wouldn't have accomplished anything. Maybe he doesn't want to resign Skippy and he's letting him hang himself with his own rope?

Woodley was being dropped back into pass coverage an awful lot earlier in the season. He still is, but not as much as he was earlier.

BA...you got me on that one. :lol:[/quote:1lnx4h53]

Woodley was NOT being dropped into coverage as much as his apologists were saying.
I checked it out over a couple of those games. That was exaggerated. He was just playing poorly.

Why couldn't he have sat Skippy for kickoffs for one game, and let Sepulveda try it?
He certainly would make a better effort at tackling the KR than Reed did. And yeah, FINE Reed for his childish, selfish drunken episode. It isn't like it was the first time it happened.

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 07:37 PM
[quote="stlrz d":1kha9br6]How do you know he has no sense of urgency?

His job depends on him having a sense of urgency.

Is he supposed to run around like a maniac simply to placate the fans, who undoubtedly would criticize him for his lack of composure?

He doesn't need to "run around like a maniac," but he DOES need to tend to underachieving, sloppy play by players and inept play-calling and coaching by coaches. That may include sitting players, suspending them, fining them, reigning in coaches, getting more involved in offensive and defensive game-planning and even in ST coaching. What evidence have we seen that Tomlin has done ANY of this, other than benching Mendy for one game because of a poor practice?

Why didn't he fine/bench Skippy after his public embarrassment last month?
Why didn't he deal with Woodley and his woeful underachieving the first two months of this season?
Why the heck is Bruce Arians still allowed to call bonehead calls like a sweep with Moore on 3rd and 2?
There's blame enough to go around for almost everyone, but the buck has to stop with Tomlin. This season, he's done a crappy job.

He benched Holmes for a game last season too.

Why should a guy lose his job so Skippy can be benched? Cuz that's the only way to do it. If Skippy is benched and we bring in another kicker for one game it means someone has to be cut...and they lose their livelihood. Why? I suppose he could have fined him but he probably felt that wouldn't have accomplished anything. Maybe he doesn't want to resign Skippy and he's letting him hang himself with his own rope?

Woodley was being dropped back into pass coverage an awful lot earlier in the season. He still is, but not as much as he was earlier.

BA...you got me on that one. :lol:

Woodley was NOT being dropped into coverage as much as his apologists were saying.
I checked it out over a couple of those games. That was exaggerated. He was just playing poorly.

Why couldn't he have sat Skippy for kickoffs for one game, and let Sepulveda try it?
He certainly would make a better effort at tackling the KR than Reed did. And yeah, FINE Reed for his childish, selfish drunken episode. It isn't like it was the first time it happened.[/quote:1kha9br6]

I guess we'll just have to disagree then. I've watched some of our games multiple times and he was being used differently.

How do you know Sep can kick off well enough? What if his kick offs in practice are inaccurate and going out of bounds constantly? Or are line drives with no hang time? Maybe his bad knee is not worth risking on double duty?

feelthesteel
11-22-2009, 07:50 PM
How do you explain a kickoff for a TD on the first play
after we said we were addressing it? ALL WEEK-What did they go to the movies?

????????????????

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 07:57 PM
How do you explain a kickoff for a TD on the first play
after we said we were addressing it? ALL WEEK-What did they go to the movies?

????????????????

Have you accomplished everything you ever set out to do?

feelthesteel
11-22-2009, 08:00 PM
i dont make NFL Head coach money.

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 08:09 PM
i dont make NFL Head coach money.
So what a person earns dictates the level of perfection expected?

feelthesteel
11-22-2009, 08:43 PM
who said perfection
First play a TD?
thats like telling a little kid no chewing gum in class
and the next day he blows a big bubble in your face.

come on
where do you draw the line.

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 08:52 PM
who said perfection
First play a TD?
thats like telling a little kid no chewing gum in class
and the next day he blows a big bubble in your face.

come on
where do you draw the line.

It's not like flipping a switch dude. If it was we'd all be competing for a HC job in the NFL.