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brothervad
11-22-2009, 05:36 PM
Places to assess how a loss is constructed...

First Kickoff--say no more

dropped Picks--Ryan Clark earlier in the game and then Ike Taylor. Couple last weeks drop by Clark when it mattered...these guys are pathetic in that regard.

Defense--its hard to say they are bad because the data just doesn't indicate that. So it's not that they are bad, but all season long there are times when it seems like they take a drive off. Today after getting up 24-17 they let up on the gas

In OT, the pitch on 3rd and 2 was such a stupid call...that is all on BA

I will reserve my comments on Ben--he played very well at times, but you live by holding onto the ball too long and you die by it. The 94 yard pick was a tipped ball so hard to place all the blame on Ben, but it's apparent he needs to change as well.

I have stated in other threads that while the Steelers are good, there just seems to be something missing. I don't see a killer instinct in this team.

Brothervad

eniparadoxgma
11-22-2009, 05:40 PM
About the tipped ball, is it me or is this starting to become a trend? Ben needs to get the ball over the line. I know we've had a minimum of 2 tipped balls for INTs in the last couple games.

Steel Life
11-22-2009, 05:44 PM
Don't forget another game where Mendenhall only had 17 carries at the end of regulation. Maybe Bruce thought he would show all of us that he's in charge & if he wants to call 50+ passing plays, he'll do it.

Wolfhound45
11-22-2009, 05:45 PM
Bottom line - we are just not that good.

eniparadoxgma
11-22-2009, 05:46 PM
Bottom line - we are just not that good without Troy.

FTFY? :D

SuperSize
11-22-2009, 06:04 PM
Don't forget another game where Mendenhall only had 17 carries at the end of regulation. Maybe Bruce thought he would show all of us that he's in charge & if he wants to call 50+ passing plays, he'll do it.

This, to me, is the biggest reason the Steelers lost today. In the first half, they mixed in the run enough times that the play-action was freezing the Chief defenders giving Ben ALL DAY to throw the ball. But when they abandoned the run in the 2nd half, the Chiefs blitzed EVERY DOWN in the 4th quarter, continually rushing 5-6 guys. Not only did we not run the ball to keep them honest, not a single roll-out, screen, or draw was called to beat the blitz. You can talk about a lack of execution all you want, but that kind of play calling is destined to lose.


Pete

Steel Life
11-22-2009, 06:04 PM
Bottom line - we are just not that good.
That's the frustrating thing...we are that good, we just have either the worst luck or breakdowns at the wrong time - that's what's driving all of us crazy. The numbers are there for both the offense & defense, Ben has great numbers, Mendenhall has come alive, Harrison has the sacks...I just don't get it. Injuries are one thing - especially Troy's & Aaron's - but it goes deeper than that & Tomlin has got to get it figured out.

Steeler Mafia
11-22-2009, 06:06 PM
Don't forget another game where Mendenhall only had 17 carries at the end of regulation. Maybe Bruce thought he would show all of us that he's in charge & if he wants to call 50+ passing plays, he'll do it.

This, to me, is the biggest reason the Steelers lost today. In the first half, they mixed in the run enough times that the play-action was freezing the Chief defenders giving Ben ALL DAY to throw the ball. But when they abandoned the run in the 2nd half, the Chiefs blitzed EVERY DOWN in the 4th quarter, continually rushing 5-6 guys. Not only did we not run the ball to keep them honest, not a single roll-out, screen, or draw was called to beat the blitz. You can talk about a lack of execution all you want, but that kind of play calling is destined to lose.


Pete
:Agree :HeadBanger

True Fan
11-22-2009, 06:07 PM
Bottom line - we are just not that good with Tomlin.

FTFY? :D


ftfy

eniparadoxgma
11-22-2009, 06:08 PM
[quote="Steel Life":34marb2d]Don't forget another game where Mendenhall only had 17 carries at the end of regulation. Maybe Bruce thought he would show all of us that he's in charge & if he wants to call 50+ passing plays, he'll do it.

This, to me, is the biggest reason the Steelers lost today. In the first half, they mixed in the run enough times that the play-action was freezing the Chief defenders giving Ben ALL DAY to throw the ball. But when they abandoned the run in the 2nd half, the Chiefs blitzed EVERY DOWN in the 4th quarter, continually rushing 5-6 guys. Not only did we not run the ball to keep them honest, not a single roll-out, screen, or draw was called to beat the blitz. You can talk about a lack of execution all you want, but that kind of play calling is destined to lose.


Pete
:Agree :HeadBanger[/quote:34marb2d]

I was wondering about the breakdown of pass/run. As mentioned, I thought we were nicely balanced in the 1st half but then went to the pass the majority of the time in the 2nd. Who do we blame for that?

Djfan
11-22-2009, 06:15 PM
What is ftfy?

If anyone defends BA anymore I will correctly call you a pooh-pooh head. He sucks. If anyone says Ben is elite I will call you a Doh-doh head. BA needs a pink slip and Ben needs a kick in the butt. Get in the film room and see how many underneath passes were there, but he didn't take them because of the temptation of the long pass.

This is a leadership issue, IMO.

SuperSize
11-22-2009, 06:18 PM
What is ftfy?

If anyone defends BA anymore I will correctly call you a pooh-pooh head. He sucks. If anyone says Ben is elite I will call you a Doh-doh head. BA needs a pink slip and Ben needs a kick in the butt. Get in the film room and see how many underneath passes were there, but he didn't take them because of the temptation of the long pass.

This is a leadership issue, IMO.

How can you say Ben didn't take the underneath stuff? The RB's & TE's caught plenty of balls today. You're off-base on this observation.


Pete

Djfan
11-22-2009, 06:19 PM
What is ftfy?

If anyone defends BA anymore I will correctly call you a pooh-pooh head. He sucks. If anyone says Ben is elite I will call you a Doh-doh head. BA needs a pink slip and Ben needs a kick in the butt. Get in the film room and see how many underneath passes were there, but he didn't take them because of the temptation of the long pass.

This is a leadership issue, IMO.

How can you say Ben didn't take the underneath stuff? The RB's & TE's caught plenty of balls today. You're off-base on this observation.


Pete

Nope.

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 06:21 PM
Ben was throwing the underneath passes all day.

Lots of YAC makes it look like he didn't.

SuperSize
11-22-2009, 06:23 PM
DJ, 9 passes were caught by the TE's & 5 by the backs. I will agree that in the past Ben didn't like to look underneath, but that wasn't the issue today.


Pete

Djfan
11-22-2009, 06:24 PM
Ben was throwing the underneath passes all day.

Lots of YAC makes it look like he didn't.


He did in that last td series, but missed quite a few when he chose the long passes that were over thrown.

I'm sitting there at the club pointing this to the people at the table. They were seeing it too.

Am I going back and watching it to prove it? Nope. It is what it is.

brothervad
11-22-2009, 06:25 PM
What is ftfy?

If anyone defends BA anymore I will correctly call you a pooh-pooh head. He sucks. If anyone says Ben is elite I will call you a Doh-doh head. BA needs a pink slip and Ben needs a kick in the butt. Get in the film room and see how many underneath passes were there, but he didn't take them because of the temptation of the long pass.

This is a leadership issue, IMO.

How can you say Ben didn't take the underneath stuff? The RB's & TE's caught plenty of balls today. You're off-base on this observation.


Pete

Nope.

I am a big fan of Ben, but with that stated let me ask all of you one quesiton since we try to compare Ben to Brady and Manning all the time. Do you think the Pats or Colts have the same type of outcome with those two facing this same Chiefs team?

The only point I am making for those who say Ben isn't in that league is that those two guys likely lite up this team for at least 35 points...

brothervad

grotonsteel
11-22-2009, 06:26 PM
Big ben did checkdown a lot in this game.

eniparadoxgma
11-22-2009, 06:29 PM
I also thought he did a good job of checking down in this game. He did try to take a couple of strikes down the field, but I think you have to do that to keep the defense honest and keep the secondary from riding up on the LOS etc. You also have to take a couple of chances.

Djfan
11-22-2009, 06:30 PM
Big ben did checkdown a lot in this game.


OK. You're right. I'm wrong. Even when I showed it to the crowd I was watching it with.

Sorry. Will Pete like me now.

stlrz d
11-22-2009, 06:36 PM
Ben was throwing the underneath passes all day.

Lots of YAC makes it look like he didn't.


He did in that last td series, but missed quite a few when he chose the long passes that were over thrown.

I'm sitting there at the club pointing this to the people at the table. They were seeing it too.

Am I going back and watching it to prove it? Nope. It is what it is.

We have the luxury of watching on TV without bodies flying all around us. We can see the whole big picture.

You can watch any NFL game and see a QB not throwing to an open man. It happens.

A QB can only look at one receiver at a time to decide whether he can get the ball to him. In a split second he has to decide whether to go to him with the ball or to move on to someone else...progressions. There is no seeing every receiver at once. It's just not possible.

You don't have to go back and look at anything. Ben threw a lot of short passes today. The receivers did a very good job of taking them for long gains.

And as Enip pointed out, you have to throw long from time to time to keep the D honest.

SuperSize
11-22-2009, 06:36 PM
Big ben did checkdown a lot in this game.


OK. You're right. I'm wrong. Even when I showed it to the crowd I was watching it with.

Sorry. Will Pete like me now.

Bro, you're a Steeler fan, I like you no matter what :Cheers


Pete

feltdizz
11-22-2009, 06:37 PM
the INT in the endzone was baffling.. I can't see why he thought that was a good throw at the time.

Anyway... we definitey are abandoning the run to early. Wonder if Ben is checking out or if BA is full speed ahead..

funny thing is most fans screamed for the pass happy offense. I just want the wins.. I don't care how they come.

Way too many yard generated to lose...

The Defense is a problem right now.. Gay SUCKS.. our DB's can't catch and 3rd and whatever is damn near always a first down.

I also have to call Tomlin out.. if Mendenhall sits after running for 160 yards because of practice "details" then what the hell is the ST's doing in practice?

Steel Life
11-22-2009, 06:41 PM
I am a big fan of Ben, but with that stated let me ask all of you one quesiton since we try to compare Ben to Brady and Manning all the time. Do you think the Pats or Colts have the same type of outcome with those two facing this same Chiefs team?

The only point I am making for those who say Ben isn't in that league is that those two guys likely lite up this team for at least 35 points...

brothervad
Valid thought...but I would have to say that those two are still better at this point than Ben - no knock him, but he's still growing - but in the things that count - SB's - he's one ahead of Manning & only one behind the pretty boy. That said...if we are more efficient in the red-zone, then Ben's numbers are skyrocketing & the discussion continues.

grotonsteel
11-22-2009, 06:44 PM
Big ben did checkdown a lot in this game.


OK. You're right. I'm wrong. Even when I showed it to the crowd I was watching it with.

Sorry. Will Pete like me now.


I did not say you are wrong. Its just that Big Ben did checkdown a lot compared to Bungles game. Did he leave few points there by not dumping the ball to TE or RB.. ..hell yes.Thats just how Big Ben plays. He does not play like Brady or Manning. If people stop comparing him to those 2 QBs i think we will have less heart burn... :2c

BradshawsHairdresser
11-22-2009, 06:48 PM
I have stated in other threads that while the Steelers are good, there just seems to be something missing. I don't see a killer instinct in this team.

Brothervad

Exactly. Super Bowl hangover.

I would think you'd want to get another one just as badly as you wanted to get the last one. But that sure doesn't seem to be the case with the Steelers. Wasn't the case the season after SB 40, and isn't the case after SB 43.

Tomlinator
11-22-2009, 06:49 PM
the INT in the endzone was baffling.. I can't see why he thought that was a good throw at the time.

Anyway... we definitey are abandoning the run to early. Wonder if Ben is checking out or if BA is full speed ahead..

funny thing is most fans screamed for the pass happy offense. I just want the wins.. I don't care how they come.

Way too many yard generated to lose...

The Defense is a problem right now.. Gay SUCKS.. our DB's can't catch and 3rd and whatever is damn near always a first down.

I also have to call Tomlin out.. if Mendenhall sits after running for 160 yards because of practice "details" then what the hell is the ST's doing in practice?

I thought Ben was hit just as he released the ball on the EZ pick.

The lack of INTs is annoying. You see highlights every week of turnovers, but it seems the ones our D gets are few and far between. I'm probably wrong on that, but we sure seem to be in a dry spell.

Wolfhound45
11-22-2009, 07:40 PM
Bottom line - we are just not that good without Troy.

FTFY? :D

Sorry brother, but if we cannot stop the Chiefs without Troy, then we are not that good. He was not on special teams. He did not throw two interceptions, one in the red zone that was converted into a TD, one that was a TD (same guy).

That is okay. I lived through the 80s and 90s. Things will get better.

NJ-STEELER
11-22-2009, 10:03 PM
there were plenty of checkowns

not only to RBs and TE but also some short WR screens and patterns.

IIRC there were 2 deep balls all day, with 1 of them completed