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phillyesq
11-17-2009, 05:24 PM
:stirpot :stirpot :stirpot

Haushka is 10 for 15 this year. Perhaps Reed isn't so bad after all?

Perhaps, just to drive Pappy crazy, we could sign Haushka just to handle kickoffs. :lol: In all seriousness, I really hate the idea of a kickoff specialist, but I'm almost tempted to say that it might be useful. I think Logan has to go if a KO specialist is added, and I'd rather keep Logan.


Ravens release Steve Hauschka
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 17, 2009 3:37 PM ET
The Baltimore Ravens have waived kicker Steve Hauschka, officially making a move that's only surprising because it didn't happen sooner.

Hauschka missed his fourth field goal of the season on Monday night, a 36-yard attempt that went wide left. Ravens coach John Harbaugh said after the game that he talked to Hauschka, and that the kicker knew he was on thin ice.

"We've been evaluating the kicking position," Harbaugh said. "Steve and I had a great talk on Tuesday night, and he'll be the first to tell you that he needs to kick better than that. He kicks better than that in practice and he's kicked better in games up until this point. He just didn't do the job tonight and I think he knows that."

Said Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, "Every one of our players has to step up to a Ravens' level of play and that was not happening for Steve right now."

It's unclear who the Ravens' next kicker will be, but former Jets kicker Mike Nugent and former Cowboys kicker Billy Cundiff worked out for the team last week, and Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times tweets that they're the top candidates.

Hauschka leaves the Ravens having made 10 of 15 field goal attempts in 17 games. In October he missed a potentially game-winning kick against the Vikings, and this month he missed a kick that would have kept the Ravens alive in a close game against the Bengals.

SteelCrazy
11-17-2009, 06:59 PM
Cut Jeff Reed! I can put on some kicking shoes and learn as I go...One things for sure, when I boot a 30 yard kickoff, I'll make the tackle!

RuthlessBurgher
11-18-2009, 01:41 AM
People here are advocating getting rid of Reed next season, because he doesn't have a deep leg on kickoffs and does not tackle return men. I say we keep him, because his main job is to put points on the board when we need 3, and he is a dependable kicker who works in a difficult place to kick field goals (the Chicago game is an exception, not the rule).

In a situation that is somewhat similar to ours (except that Stover is older than dirt while Reed is in his prime), the Ravens got rid of their veteran kicker who did not have a deep leg on kickoffs but was a dependable field goal kicker. This is what can happen. The inexperienced young guy gets you deeper kickoffs, but goes 10-15 on field goal attempts. Ugh. Back to the drawing board.

A kicker's primary job is to kick field goals when called upon. The points are the most important thing. I'd prefer a guy that I know I can count on when we need points over a young guy with a big leg on kickoffs who will shank important field goal attempts.

SteelAbility
11-18-2009, 07:39 AM
Is there ANY word on the street regarding Sepulveda's KO ability? He can boom punts, so I'm assuming the leg strength is there. It may just be an issue of some technique.

Reed is a good FG kicker. That's it. He is a liability on STs, both kicking off and obviously with the tackling. If it's not raining, I have very high confidence in his FG game. It's a tough call whether or not to keep him. The short KOs not only have the runner start at a better position but afford him some forward momentum too. Not good.

feelthesteel
11-18-2009, 07:43 AM
Reed has been pretty dependable if you ask me.

steelblood
11-18-2009, 08:38 AM
I agree that Reed is still good at his most important job. However, Reed is so bad on kickoffs and gives the other team such an advantage with short kicks (15 yards shorter than many NFL kickers). Couple that with his erratic behavior, and I believe we will be drafting a kicker this offseason. And, in all likelihood, that kicker will be able to kickoff better and will struggle with longer FGs his first season. But, he'll be cheaper and won't beat up paper towel dispensers or berate the police.

phillyesq
11-18-2009, 10:54 AM
People here are advocating getting rid of Reed next season, because he doesn't have a deep leg on kickoffs and does not tackle return men. I say we keep him, because his main job is to put points on the board when we need 3, and he is a dependable kicker who works in a difficult place to kick field goals (the Chicago game is an exception, not the rule).

In a situation that is somewhat similar to ours (except that Stover is older than dirt while Reed is in his prime), the Ravens got rid of their veteran kicker who did not have a deep leg on kickoffs but was a dependable field goal kicker. This is what can happen. The inexperienced young guy gets you deeper kickoffs, but goes 10-15 on field goal attempts. Ugh. Back to the drawing board.

A kicker's primary job is to kick field goals when called upon. The points are the most important thing. I'd prefer a guy that I know I can count on when we need points over a young guy with a big leg on kickoffs who will shank important field goal attempts.

:Agree

:Clap :Clap

SteelCrazy
11-18-2009, 11:01 AM
People here are advocating getting rid of Reed next season, because he doesn't have a deep leg on kickoffs and does not tackle return men. I say we keep him, because his main job is to put points on the board when we need 3, and he is a dependable kicker who works in a difficult place to kick field goals (the Chicago game is an exception, not the rule).

In a situation that is somewhat similar to ours (except that Stover is older than dirt while Reed is in his prime), the Ravens got rid of their veteran kicker who did not have a deep leg on kickoffs but was a dependable field goal kicker. This is what can happen. The inexperienced young guy gets you deeper kickoffs, but goes 10-15 on field goal attempts. Ugh. Back to the drawing board.

A kicker's primary job is to kick field goals when called upon. The points are the most important thing. I'd prefer a guy that I know I can count on when we need points over a young guy with a big leg on kickoffs who will shank important field goal attempts.

:Agree :Agree :Agree :Clap :Clap :Clap

RuthlessBurgher
11-18-2009, 11:05 AM
Reed is poor on kickoffs, for sure, but let's look at the actual stats, shall we? He is not an average of 15 yards shorter than many NFL kickers. His average kick travels 60 yards (meaning it lands on the 10 yard line), with 1 touchback in 45 kicks, which is not good at all. In fact, there are only two kickers worse than that in the league (Washington's Shaun Suisham, and K.C.'s rookie Ryan Succop).

However, the best deep kicker in the league is Carolina's Rhys Lloyd, who is a kickoff specialist taking up an extra roster spot since their FG kicker John Kasay does not have a good deep leg. Lloyd averages 70.4 yards per kick (less than half-a-yard deep in the end zone on average) with 17 touchbacks in 38 kickoff attempts. That means that there is a 10.4 yard difference between third-from-worst-in-the-league Reed and the best-in-the-league-kickoff-only-specialist Lloyd.

Most kickers in the league average about 65 yards per kick, with the return man fielding the ball around the 5 yard line. For what it's worth, since this thread was originally about Steven Hauschka, who was cut because he only made 10 of 15 field goals, his average kick traveled 65.7 yards with 3 touchbacks in 46 kicks.

And the kickoff returns for TD's were 98 yards for Cribbs, 88 yards for Harvin, and 96 yards for Scott, meaning that those 3 kicks were caught at the 2, 12, and 4 yard lines, respectively.

ikestops85
11-18-2009, 11:07 AM
Reed is a dependable FG kicker ... especially with the game on the line. Our problem with kickoffs is not that they are short. Its that we don't TACKLE the return man. Reed almost always kicks off to the 5-7 yard line with good height. Our coverage team usually meets the returner at the 20-25 yard line. If we would make the tackle there we would be fine but we don't. Instead it looks like the Red Sea parts (or Black and Gold in this case) and the returner breezes right through.

Sure it would be nice if Reed would get some touchbacks on his kickoffs. However, that would only mask the problems we have with covering the kick ... not solve the problem. Somehow the coaches need to solve the problem. JMHO

ramblinjim
11-18-2009, 12:05 PM
This is going to sound dumb but...

I'm surprised that the colleges and high schools have not started grooming guys that can kick the ball through the end zone almost every time. Our linemen have gotten bigger, stronger and faster over the years and it starts in high school. I'm surprised there isn't some high school or college division somewhere that has said to themselves "let's make the other team drive the distance every time we kick off and see what happens" and started working on guys with great big legs to just kick the ball straight, as hard as they can.

pfelix73
11-18-2009, 12:21 PM
Ruthless, great stats.. When you look at it that way, Reed sounds like he's doing just fine on his kickoffs. Personally, I think he could get it into the EZ on just about every kick if he had too. Except when the weather gets worse. Sometimes, depending on the ST play calling, he is kicking to spots anyways. Yes, kickers do that depending on what the ST coach calls.

On the other hand, the reasoning on why I don't think he will be back next year is business. He turned down a contract already and unless he would come down and accept that original contract, I doubt the Steelers will move much $ wise. They could possibly do what they did when they drafted Sepulveda and go after the best kicker in next year's draft. Something I would like to see them do, quite frankly. There will be growing pains with a new kicker, but in the long run, those pains will pay dividends. I just don't think they will have the cap space for Reed.

IMO- Haushka is going to end up somewhere and will be a good kicker in this league... His problem right now is what's between his ears. That's fixable with a good shrink. :lol:

:tt1

RuthlessBurgher
11-18-2009, 12:23 PM
This is going to sound dumb but...

I'm surprised that the colleges and high schools have not started grooming guys that can kick the ball through the end zone almost every time. Our linemen have gotten bigger, stronger and faster over the years and it starts in high school. I'm surprised there isn't some high school or college division somewhere that has said to themselves "let's make the other team drive the distance every time we kick off and see what happens" and started working on guys with great big legs to just kick the ball straight, as hard as they can.

Kicking the ball out of the end zone requires it to travel 80 yards in the air. That's a loooooooong way, and I'd imagine would be extremely difficult to do consistently even if that was your only job.

NJ-STEELER
11-21-2009, 03:48 AM
This is going to sound dumb but...

I'm surprised that the colleges and high schools have not started grooming guys that can kick the ball through the end zone almost every time. Our linemen have gotten bigger, stronger and faster over the years and it starts in high school. I'm surprised there isn't some high school or college division somewhere that has said to themselves "let's make the other team drive the distance every time we kick off and see what happens" and started working on guys with great big legs to just kick the ball straight, as hard as they can.

i know kickoffs used to be at the 35 some time ago and IIRC maybe even at the 40 when i was a kid.

if they had a bucnh of kickers booming it out of the end zone, they'll just move it back some more, like they've done so in the past. they've also shrunk the kicking tee.

bottom line ...the league wants returns for the excitement it creates in the game

papillon
11-21-2009, 07:30 AM
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Haushka is 10 for 15 this year. Perhaps Reed isn't so bad after all?

Perhaps, just to drive Pappy crazy, we could sign Haushka just to handle kickoffs. :lol: In all seriousness, I really hate the idea of a kickoff specialist, but I'm almost tempted to say that it might be useful. I think Logan has to go if a KO specialist is added, and I'd rather keep Logan.


Ravens release Steve Hauschka
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 17, 2009 3:37 PM ET
The Baltimore Ravens have waived kicker Steve Hauschka, officially making a move that's only surprising because it didn't happen sooner.

Hauschka missed his fourth field goal of the season on Monday night, a 36-yard attempt that went wide left. Ravens coach John Harbaugh said after the game that he talked to Hauschka, and that the kicker knew he was on thin ice.

"We've been evaluating the kicking position," Harbaugh said. "Steve and I had a great talk on Tuesday night, and he'll be the first to tell you that he needs to kick better than that. He kicks better than that in practice and he's kicked better in games up until this point. He just didn't do the job tonight and I think he knows that."

Said Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, "Every one of our players has to step up to a Ravens' level of play and that was not happening for Steve right now."

It's unclear who the Ravens' next kicker will be, but former Jets kicker Mike Nugent and former Cowboys kicker Billy Cundiff worked out for the team last week, and Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times tweets that they're the top candidates.

Hauschka leaves the Ravens having made 10 of 15 field goal attempts in 17 games. In October he missed a potentially game-winning kick against the Vikings, and this month he missed a kick that would have kept the Ravens alive in a close game against the Bengals.

Philly, you used to be one of my favorite posters on this board. :evil: But, you are right, hiring a guy to handle kickoffs only would put me over the edge. :tt2 You know how much I believe that Warren and Logan bring value to the team.

Pappy

steelfin
11-21-2009, 09:34 AM
While those stats are interesting, i don't think they tell the whole story. I think stats such as net yardage and hang time should be included in the discussion of kickoffs just as they are with punts. Not sure if they keep those stats for kickers....

Doesn't it seem like the opposing teams kick return coverage is all over our return man shortly after he catches the ball? When we kick off it seems like the opposing returner has 30 yards of open field before he is touched..

The way I see it our issues with kick coverage can be attributed to one of the factors below (or some combination)...

1. Athletes - Slow players that can't shed blocks or tackle
2. Coaching - Poor special teams scheme
3. Kicker - Low hang time and short kick-offs


Is it time for Reed to go......Not unless we find someone who can kick FGs with the same accuracy as Reed but with better leg strength (and hang time) on kick-offs....In either case, they need to fix their ST coverage issues.....