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NWNewell
11-10-2009, 10:59 AM
He may not have the smoothest "commentator skills", but it's great to have a hard nose, veteran coach as a commentator in the booth. Someone who appreciates the work ethic, toughness, and team first philosophy that the Steelers have.

He almost came off as a bit of a homer at times but:
I loved seeing him fired up about how there where 8 Steelers defenders escorting Woodley 90 yards to the endzone on the Vikings game replay.
I loved hearing him dismiss the "dirtiest player" tag people try giving Ward and say what a great "football player" he is and how much any coach in the league would love to have him.
I loved hearing him comment on the stability of the Steelers franchise.
I could go on and on... but you get the idea... it's refreshing.

And not only is it refreshing to see some one in the both recognizes and admires what the Steelers are all about, but I really like the job he does of providing instant feedback on the intricacies of the plays on the fly. I think he is one of the better ones at this each Sunday (or Monday as it were). All those years studying game fill as a coach are paying dividends in the both for sure. It's so much better than that Kornhiser experiment, or Dennis Miller, or even Madden. I'm liking it. I hope the chucky stays there for a while.

RuthlessBurgher
11-10-2009, 11:02 AM
I hope the chucky stays there for a while.

I think in the Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones coaching searches after this season (The Redskins suck out loud and you know the Cowboys have peaked right now and will predictably crumble as we move forward toward playoff time), whichever one doesn't get Shanahan gets Gruden.

Captain Lemming
11-10-2009, 11:07 AM
He may not have the smoothest "commentator skills", but it's great to have a hard nose, veteran coach as a commentator in the booth. Someone who appreciates the work ethic, toughness, and team first philosophy that the Steelers have.

He almost came off as a bit of a homer at times but:
I loved seeing him fired up about how there where 8 Steelers defenders escorting Woodley 90 yards to the endzone on the Vikings game replay.
I loved hearing him dismiss the "dirtiest player" tag people try giving Ward and say what a great "football player" he is and how much any coach in the league would love to have him.
I loved hearing him comment on the stability of the Steelers franchise.
I could go on and on... but you get the idea... it's refreshing.

And not only is it refreshing to see some one in the both recognizes and admires what the Steelers are all about, but I really like the job he does of providing instant feedback on the intricacies of the plays on the fly. I think he is one of the better ones at this each Sunday (or Monday as it were). All those years studying game fill as a coach are paying dividends in the both for sure. It's so much better than that Kornhiser experiment, or Dennis Miller, or even Madden. I'm liking it. I hope the chucky stays there for a while.

:Agree

While, what he says it absolutely true, it actually occurred to me that he may have some pride in seeing Tomlins success, accounting for a tinge of extra Steeler love.

RuthlessBurgher
11-10-2009, 11:15 AM
Everyone calls Tomlin a Dungy disciple. True, it was Tony Dungy who brought him into the NFL, but Tomlin only coached under Dungy for one season. Tomlin was an assistant on Gruden's staff for 4 seasons (including a Super Bowl victory), then one season under Childress in Minnesota. No one ever says that Tomlin is a Gruden disciple.

Starlifter
11-10-2009, 12:25 PM
so far i like gruden too BUT i'd point out he really isn't critical of any player. it's great he gave props to the steelers but he was gushing over quite a few broncos as well, some who i think are well beyond the 'gush point'.

nevertheless, far better than kornheiser. jaworski? the only time i liked him was with merril breaking down the plays.

RussBII
11-10-2009, 12:45 PM
so far i like gruden too BUT i'd point out he really isn't critical of any player. it's great he gave props to the steelers but he was gushing over quite a few broncos as well, some who i think are well beyond the 'gush point'.

This is exactly what i was going to say. He just loves everything about everyone, man.

aggiebones
11-10-2009, 01:24 PM
He will coach very soon and will not slander anyone in case they end up on his team. He did take some shots yesterday, mild as they were and normally only directed at 1 individual play, then patting that player on the back for the effort.

NWNewell
11-10-2009, 01:30 PM
so far i like gruden too BUT i'd point out he really isn't critical of any player. it's great he gave props to the steelers but he was gushing over quite a few broncos as well, some who i think are well beyond the 'gush point'.

This is exactly what i was going to say. He just loves everything about everyone, man.

Why is it a problem if the a commentator doesn't rip into a player. They can talk up a player, and yet call out a bad "play". I don't have any problem with that. There are enough cynics out there. No reason not to keep the mood fun and positive during the game.

papillon
11-10-2009, 01:54 PM
I like Gruden because he's passionate about the game. When he sees good football, regardless, of who's playing it, he lets you know and gets excited about it. He likes any player that's putting forth effort on every play. He'll be coaching again next year for sure.

Pappy

rpmpit
11-10-2009, 04:13 PM
I wonder if the fact that Tampa Bay doesn't have a Monday night game factored into the decision to hire Gruden? I think it would be hard for him to hide his emotions if he was forced to do a Buccaneers game.

proudpittsburgher
11-10-2009, 07:54 PM
Sorry, not buying into the Gruden hype. He just comes off as fake, pumping up everyone, every play . . . every-single-play. Too much for me. Just go to the two-man crew, please.

He made a comment about Ty Law last night with a couple of minutes to go in the first quaretr, talking about how great a game he was having. i was thinking, "he's been on the field for, what, five plays?"

stlrz d
11-10-2009, 09:07 PM
Sorry, not buying into the Gruden hype. He just comes off as fake, pumping up everyone, every play . . . every-single-play. Too much for me. Just go to the two-man crew, please.

He made a comment about Ty Law last night with a couple of minutes to go in the first quaretr, talking about how great a game he was having. i was thinking, "he's been on the field for, what, five plays?"

:Agree

BATMAN
11-10-2009, 10:06 PM
i like chucky in the booth. all he does is tell the truth, doesn't pick a side and keeps focus with the game a nd players in front of him. he doesn't go on and on about a guy that made a play, three plays prior or the week before.

Djfan
11-10-2009, 10:11 PM
I like how he isn't afraid to contraict Jaws.

stlrz d
11-11-2009, 12:48 AM
I like how he isn't afraid to contraict Jaws.

You are totally a math teacher, aren't you? :D :D :D

Djfan
11-11-2009, 01:05 AM
I like how he isn't afraid to contraict Jaws.

You are totally a math teacher, aren't you? :D :D :D


Sew wat?

flippy
11-11-2009, 07:53 AM
Everyone calls Tomlin a Dungy disciple. True, it was Tony Dungy who brought him into the NFL, but Tomlin only coached under Dungy for one season. Tomlin was an assistant on Gruden's staff for 4 seasons (including a Super Bowl victory), then one season under Childress in Minnesota. No one ever says that Tomlin is a Gruden disciple.

tomlin is his own man.

he was immaculately conceived and designed by God with the purpose of being the steelers coach.

i suspect those coaches all learned from mike. not so much the other way around.

AngryAsian
11-11-2009, 08:38 AM
Everyone calls Tomlin a Dungy disciple. True, it was Tony Dungy who brought him into the NFL, but Tomlin only coached under Dungy for one season. Tomlin was an assistant on Gruden's staff for 4 seasons (including a Super Bowl victory), then one season under Childress in Minnesota. No one ever says that Tomlin is a Gruden disciple.

tomlin is his own man.

he was immaculately conceived and designed by God with the purpose of being the steelers coach.

i suspect those coaches all learned from mike. not so much the other way around.


"So it was written, So shall it be done." :lol:

steelblood
11-11-2009, 09:48 AM
I'm a fan of Gruden in general. I like the work he did on NFL Network during the draft. However, he is rarely on point and usually rambling. For example, he did a whole planned rant comparing the Steelers in the fourth Q this season to Mariano Rivera. Really? In my recollection the Steelers have been poor at best in the fourth Q up to the Minnesota game. Melt downs in Chicago and Cincinnati. Gave up a ton of points to SD. Not exactly comparable to Rivera. Still, he went on and on like we'd been lights out all season. That was just terrible commentary.

NWNewell
11-11-2009, 10:56 AM
I'm a fan of Gruden in general. I like the work he did on NFL Network during the draft. However, he is rarely on point and usually rambling. For example, he did a whole planned rant comparing the Steelers in the fourth Q this season to Mariano Rivera. Really? In my recollection the Steelers have been poor at best in the fourth Q up to the Minnesota game. Melt downs in Chicago and Cincinnati. Gave up a ton of points to SD. Not exactly comparable to Rivera. Still, he went on and on like we'd been lights out all season. That was just terrible commentary.

I did find that bit extremely cheese. But if we are step away from the microscope for a minute, I think you will realize he is right. Let's look at how the Steeler's (this core group) has played for years, not just a few games were we were in a funk. With a perennial elite defense and our previous ability to run the ball down the opponents throats (that hopefully we'll find our way back too... if any organization can, it's this one), if you look at the past 5-10 years (or even the past year and half or two), you will see that what Gruden says is true. We were just in a funk for a few games. 1/4 of a season is nothing compared to the recent tradition and history of the franchise.

Captain Lemming
11-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Everyone calls Tomlin a Dungy disciple. True, it was Tony Dungy who brought him into the NFL, but Tomlin only coached under Dungy for one season. Tomlin was an assistant on Gruden's staff for 4 seasons (including a Super Bowl victory), then one season under Childress in Minnesota. No one ever says that Tomlin is a Gruden disciple.

Well Dungy was a defensive coach, who started as a secondary coachDungy came from the Noll school. Tomlin like Dungy and Noll is not a screamer, has an even temperament, doesnt get too high or too low ect.

Stylistically, Tomlin is a Noll type persona, more than even Dungy, but that influence comes from Dungy.

Gruden is an emotional motivator, a screamer like a Cowher, Ditka, or Parcells. He also has an offensive backgound.

Furthermore, Dungy was the one who put the word in with the Steelers for Tomlin indicating a likely ongoing relationship.

I can see the whole Dungy disciple thing, especially more than Gruden.

Nevertheless, I was the one who brought up the connection. I dont know that his style is like Gruden, but they do have a history. I do think those 4 years or Tomlin working with Gruden, may give Gruden more than a little pro-Tomlin bias.