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RuthlessBurgher
11-02-2009, 10:11 PM
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Reports: Browns fire GM Kokinis
ESPN.com news services
Updated: November 2, 2009, 8:56 PM ET

Cleveland Browns general manager George Kokinis was escorted out of the team's facility Monday afternoon, a television station and newspaper reported, but team owner Randy Lerner said coach Eric Mangini would not be joining him.

WKYC and the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported Monday night that Kokinis was ushered out of the Berea facility by security around lunchtime Monday and believed to be fired. Kokinis was brought in to helm the team after the Browns had hired Mangini, who coached last year with the New York Jets.

Public relations director Neal Gulkis told the Akron Beacon-Journal the team would not confirm the reports.

It's the first major change for a Browns team that has struggled in all aspects of the game and fell to 1-7 with a 30-6 loss to the Chicago Bears on Sunday. Lerner said Sunday night he is "sick" about the state of his NFL team but he will not make a coaching change.

An upset Lerner told the Plain Dealer and Beacon-Journal on Sunday that he would not fire Mangini during the club's bye week. Lerner did say he would like to bring in a "strong, credible, serious leader" to help run his team.

Lerner did not expand on who that person might be or if that person currently worked for the Browns. He recently brought in former Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar in an unspecified consulting role.

"The highest priority that I have is a strong, credible, serious leader within the building to guide decisions in a far more conspicuous, open transparent way," Lerner said Sunday, according to the Plain Dealer. "I can maybe defend decisions by saying I've sought advice and I've brought people in, and we've gone to see people -- and I think my highest priority is to have a stable figure that represents the voice that explains the decisions."

Mangini said he would be open to such a hire.

"If you can add quality people that can help you get better, then you do that," Mangini said. "You're always searching for those opportunities."

Kokinis was supposed to be that person. Mangini handpicked him to be the team's GM -- both began their careers in Cleveland in the early 1990s when Bill Belichick was coaching the Browns.

A source told the Plain Dealer "Kokinis is a great guy who does not deserve this. He is taking the fall for the team's problems and it's not right.''

The Plain Dealer reported that Lerner had tried to get Kokinis to take a more visible role as the team's GM, encouraging him to be interviewed recently by Sports Illustrated.

Days earlier, the Browns had dismissed Erin O'Brien, the team's director of team operations. O'Brien was an assistant to Mangini with the Jets.

Kokinis, who had 18 years worth of NFL experience , was the final voice on the Browns' 53-man roster.

Mangini's job security was not a topic in Cleveland's locker room, which was mostly vacant Monday.

Linebacker David Bowens, who played for Mangini in New York, feels the coach's system may not take hold until the team starts winning.

"Part of the problem is we have a lot of guys on this team that have been used to losing, been used to being on teams that have won a lot of games and don't understand the process," Bowens said. "I think just selling out and buying in. I firmly believe in just hard work and execution. The coaches can coach their tails off, they can get two hours sleep a week, but they're not playing the game.

"A lot of mistakes are made by us as players. Once we assess that and just buy in, commit ourselves to each other, I think things will change."

Mangini believes his process for turning around the team will work despite a horrid first half of the season. Mangini said he and Lerner share the same vision for improving the Browns.

Mangini and his coaching staff will spend the next week -- the Browns don't play again until Nov. 16 -- evaluating and analyzing every aspect of the team. Despite Cleveland's offense being ranked 31st overall and scoring just five touchdowns, Mangini has no plans to change offensive coordinator Brian Daboll's duties.

However, he may rely more on quarterbacks coach Carl Smith, a former offensive coordinator with New Orleans and Jacksonville.

Mangini's also holding off on making a decision at quarterback. Derek Anderson posted a 10.5 rating in Sunday's debacle before he was yanked in the final minutes for Brady Quinn, who began the season as Cleveland's starter but was benched after just 10 quarters.

Mangini lamented Cleveland's five turnovers, including two fumbles -- one by rookie wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi, the other by tight end Steve Heiden -- following completions by Anderson that sabotaged potential scoring chances. Mangini felt the Browns were moving the ball and Anderson can't be judged solely on his atrocious statistics.

"You never just want to look at the numbers, you want to always look at it in the context of the game," Mangini said.

Anderson's numbers are impossible to ignore.

According to STATS LLC, his 36.2 QB rating is the lowest of any player through eight weeks since Oakland's Marc Wilson in 1981. Also, Anderson's 320 yards passing in the past four games are the fewest by any quarterback with a minimum of 80 attempts since Chicago's Vince Evans in '81.

Anderson, meanwhile, said he's "not happy about anything."

"I'm not happy that I got pulled out, I'm not happy we lost, I'm not happy about anybody's play, my play, nothing," he said. "I haven't been happy."

Mangini, too, is dismayed by the losing but remains confident the Browns will improve.

"This is a process," Mangini said. "We [Mangini and Lerner] talked about that quite a bit, and that doesn't change. There's things that go along with that and that doesn't mean we're not looking to win every game, it doesn't mean we're not looking to improve each week. On the contrary, that's exactly what we're going to do.

"Randy and I share the same vision and that's something that we talked about and what we do talk about quite a bit is what's the best way to achieve that. I've always had good conversations with him and always will."

Mangini said he shared Lerner's distaste for the Browns' putrid performance so far.

"But I also believe in the things that we're doing and I understand it doesn't happen overnight," he said. "There's not one formula in terms of specific ingredients, but there is a very specific approach that you have to take and I believe in that. It has been successful. It will be successful here."

In acknowledging the disappointment with the season, Lerner has agreed to meet with two longtime season-ticket holders organizing a protest to show their disgust with the team's decade of losing.

Two fans, Mike Randall and Tony Schafer, have been urging fans to stay away from their seats for the opening kickoff of the Nov. 16 nationally televised game against Baltimore. The pair have a meeting scheduled with Lerner on Tuesday morning at the team's headquarters.

Randall, who's also known as "Dawg Pound Mike," plans to present Lerner with over 2,000 e-mails he has received from fans since announcing the "walk-in" protest. Randall says he hopes to persuade the ultraprivate Lerner to speak directly to Cleveland's fan base.

Randall said he and Schafer spoke briefly with Lerner before Sunday's game. In planning their demonstration for before the Monday night game against the Ravens, the fans had hoped to force Lerner and Cleveland's front office to address growing concerns about the club's direction as well as a lack of connection to the Browns' storied past.

"They are listening," Randall said. "We know that Randy cares and we don't want him to sell the team. Our goal is to get him to talk to the fans so we know what's going on. We're going to talk to him about a lot of things from stadium operations to the atmosphere on game days to our frustration that the fans are not being heard."

Randall said he and Schafer would spend Monday night putting together a formal presentation for Lerner, who took over ownership of the Browns after his father, Al, died in 2002. Lerner has been criticized by some Cleveland fans for not being more outspoken and available.

Lerner's ownership of English soccer club Aston Villa has been viewed by some as proof that he doesn't care about the Browns, who are on their fourth coach since 1999.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Starlifter
11-03-2009, 12:40 AM
lmao. the problem for the stains isn't that rebuilding is a process - it's that in cleveland it's a never-ending process.


great stuff....... :brownssuck :brownssuck :brownssuck

Jom112
11-03-2009, 01:37 AM
Because it was Kokinas that decided to trade/sign all of those reject Jet players that helped Mangini NOT make the playoffs in NY.

Kokinas might not have been a good GM, but he's definitely not to blame for how bad the Browns currently are...

Oviedo
11-03-2009, 08:20 AM
Could you ever imagine Steelers fan DEMANDING and meeting with the Rooney's. The fans are part of the problem in Stain-land. They think they should actually have an active role in the team. If you want a role become and investor and put a few million down.

The Browns' issue is that they have tried to rush getting back to being what they were in the 50's and 60's. They never had a logical building process or someone to manage that because they want quick, feel good results now. Much like what the Bumgals always did but I think they have finally got it. The result was that the Browns' "reached" on players hoping to get lucky, e.g. Brady Quinn.

I think Mangini is an idiot personality wise but I think he is doing the right thing blowing that team up and starting over. But then again the "fan problem" steps in because they are too ignorant to realize they are a crap franchise and everything needs to change. If they take short cuts in the rebuilding process they will remain crap.

SteelBucks
11-03-2009, 08:32 AM
Could you ever imagine Steelers fan DEMANDING and meeting with the Rooney's. The fans are part of the problem in Stain-land. They think they should actually have an active role in the team. If you want a role become and investor and put a few million down.


Actually, it's the other way around......Lerner is the one who wants to meet with the protesters.

Oviedo
11-03-2009, 08:59 AM
Could you ever imagine Steelers fan DEMANDING and meeting with the Rooney's. The fans are part of the problem in Stain-land. They think they should actually have an active role in the team. If you want a role become and investor and put a few million down.


Actually, it's the other way around......Lerner is the one who wants to meet with the protesters.

But they are essentially forcing the meeting through public relations extortion. Imagine how stupid this meeting is going to be. Here are some of the stupid comments the Dawg-pound morons are likely to put forward:

Fans: We aren't happy we aren't winning

Fans: We don'T like Mangini so we think you should fire him like that bum Belicheck

Fans: We want you to get better players and win more games.

Boy that sure will accomplish alot.

JTP53609
11-03-2009, 09:51 AM
if you crapped your pants and than swung those pants around like a terrible towel and immediately sat on a couch, i still think that the browns are deeper in sh*t...

SteelerNation1
11-03-2009, 10:10 AM
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2007/11/16-22/train_wreck-782867.jpg

Uncle Rico
11-03-2009, 10:14 AM
The Browns hiring Mangini was just like having NYC garbage shipped to Cleveland for recycling instead of putting it in a landfill where it belongs.

steelblood
11-03-2009, 10:20 AM
Could you ever imagine Steelers fan DEMANDING and meeting with the Rooney's. The fans are part of the problem in Stain-land. They think they should actually have an active role in the team. If you want a role become and investor and put a few million down.

The Browns' issue is that they have tried to rush getting back to being what they were in the 50's and 60's. They never had a logical building process or someone to manage that because they want quick, feel good results now. Much like what the Bumgals always did but I think they have finally got it. The result was that the Browns' "reached" on players hoping to get lucky, e.g. Brady Quinn.

I think Mangini is an idiot personality wise but I think he is doing the right thing blowing that team up and starting over. But then again the "fan problem" steps in because they are too ignorant to realize they are a crap franchise and everything needs to change. If they take short cuts in the rebuilding process they will remain crap.


Yes, I could. But only if the team were poorly managed for several years.

flippy
11-03-2009, 10:41 AM
I heard Brian Billick say that Kokinis was actually a good GM in Baltimore when he was there.

flippy
11-03-2009, 10:42 AM
Wasn't Kokinis picked by Mangini? Shouldn't Mangini be accountable if his GM is accountable?

Oviedo
11-03-2009, 11:55 AM
Wasn't Kokinis picked by Mangini? Shouldn't Mangini be accountable if his GM is accountable?

Mangini did select him which to me seems bass ackwards. Given that he probably had little power other than running scouting and Mangini was really calling the shots. Reality is that if they dump Mangini they will be in even worse shape because anyone coming in would likely feels tons of pressure and try to do a quick fix to save "their" job and that would likely blow up in their face.

I also heard that Kohinis was well thought of with the Ravens. Wouldn't be surprised if he got picked up by another team sooner rather than later.

flippy
11-03-2009, 11:57 AM
Wasn't Kokinis picked by Mangini? Shouldn't Mangini be accountable if his GM is accountable?

Mangini did select him which to me seems bass ackwards. Given that he probably had little power other than running scouting and Mangini was really calling the shots. Reality is that if they dump Mangini they will be in even worse shape because anyone coming in would likely feels tons of pressure and try to do a quick fix to save "their" job and that would likely blow up in their face.

I also heard that Kohinis was well thought of with the Ravens. Wouldn't be surprised if he got picked up by another team sooner rather than later.

Maybe it's time for Cowher power in Cleveland. I actually woulnd't mind if they became a good team. It would only make us better since we have to play them 2x.

Discipline of Steel
11-03-2009, 09:31 PM
Wasn't Kokinis picked by Mangini? Shouldn't Mangini be accountable if his GM is accountable?

Mangini did select him which to me seems bass ackwards. Given that he probably had little power other than running scouting and Mangini was really calling the shots. Reality is that if they dump Mangini they will be in even worse shape because anyone coming in would likely feels tons of pressure and try to do a quick fix to save "their" job and that would likely blow up in their face.

I also heard that Kohinis was well thought of with the Ravens. Wouldn't be surprised if he got picked up by another team sooner rather than later.

Maybe it's time for Cowher power in Cleveland. I actually woulnd't mind if they became a good team. It would only make us better since we have to play them 2x.

Yeah but Cowher coaching the Stains against us would be the equivalent of sacrelige. I prefer the Browns to continue to suck mightily and we continue our decade of dominance over them.

kindlecatsb'ng
11-05-2009, 05:10 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=c ... &type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-brownslerner110509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Hope BC never goes to Cleveland.

GO STEELERS

RuthlessBurgher
11-05-2009, 05:15 PM
Hope BC never goes to Cleveland.

GO STEELERS

:Agree

It was bad enough when he sounded that stupid siren for the Hurricanes in the playoffs last year when they played the Pens (who swept Carolina in the conference finals...quite fitting, considering Cowher's history in conference finals). If he went to Cleveland he would tarnish his legacy in his hometown (and would continue to get swept by Pittsburgh).

feltdizz
11-05-2009, 06:31 PM
When the stains picked Quinn because he was from Ohio I knew it was over for them.
Everyone said they were winners that year in the draft. It was the dumbest move ever IMO.

They still have Jamal lewis too... He is old as dirt.