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PSU_dropout43
10-01-2009, 01:58 PM
Question: Isn't it obvious yet that Mike Tomlin is a poor excuse for a coach? His first two drafts stunk and the defense is showing its age now that Troy's out. The players won the Super Bowl, not the coach; extending Tomlin's contract will mean the competitive death of this team.

John Hardaway, Locust Grove, Va.

BOUCHETTE: I wondered how long it would take for this kind of reaction. Three games after his team won the Super Bowl in his second season and you want to run him out of town? His first team also won the division despite a spate of injuries. The Steelers are 1-2, having lost both games by three points, one in overtime, both on the road. Plus, his first two drafts -- they are not solely his drafts, by the way, they do have scouts and a personnel department -- did not stink. The first draft under his tenure included linebackers Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley, who contributed greatly to that No. 1 defense and a Super Bowl victory last season. So too did current starting corner William Gay. He's also the one who installed James Harrison as a starter, and all Harrison did was set the Steelers' sack record and earn NFL defensive player of the year. I'd say that Tomlin has been a resounding success and the Steelers remained thrilled with their choice of him as their head coach.



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LasVegasGuy
10-01-2009, 02:08 PM
Question: Isn't it obvious yet that Mike Tomlin is a poor excuse for a coach? His first two drafts stunk and the defense is showing its age now that Troy's out. The players won the Super Bowl, not the coach; extending Tomlin's contract will mean the competitive death of this team.

John Hardaway, Locust Grove, Va.

BOUCHETTE: I wondered how long it would take for this kind of reaction. Three games after his team won the Super Bowl in his second season and you want to run him out of town? His first team also won the division despite a spate of injuries. The Steelers are 1-2, having lost both games by three points, one in overtime, both on the road. Plus, his first two drafts -- they are not solely his drafts, by the way, they do have scouts and a personnel department -- did not stink. The first draft under his tenure included linebackers Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley, who contributed greatly to that No. 1 defense and a Super Bowl victory last season. So too did current starting corner William Gay. He's also the one who installed James Harrison as a starter, and all Harrison did was set the Steelers' sack record and earn NFL defensive player of the year. I'd say that Tomlin has been a resounding success and the Steelers remained thrilled with their choice of him as their head coach.



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Wow! That John Hardaway from Virginia sounds like a racist :roll:

steelsnis
10-01-2009, 02:21 PM
Hahaha, no he just sounds like you! :)

Oviedo
10-01-2009, 02:30 PM
I went to college in Virgina. Trust me, there is no shortage of morons in that state.

JTP53609
10-01-2009, 02:40 PM
im not the biggest fan of tomlin, i think there are better game day coaches out there, but you have to give the guy some props, he won the super bowl in his second yr, i dont care if it is a result of coming into a good situation or not

LasVegasGuy
10-01-2009, 03:07 PM
Hahaha, no he just sounds like you! :)


Good one. With your humor will you be headlining somewhere soon?

LasVegasGuy
10-01-2009, 03:08 PM
I went to college in Virgina. Trust me, there is no shortage of morons in that state.

Isn't Tomlin from Virginia. Way to come to his aid?

LasVegasGuy
10-01-2009, 03:14 PM
im not the biggest fan of tomlin, i think there are better game day coaches out there, but you have to give the guy some props, he won the super bowl in his second yr, i dont care if it is a result of coming into a good situation or not

So you don't care if we end up with a Barry Switzer, who by the way, walked into a good situation?

MeetJoeGreene
10-01-2009, 03:14 PM
Hahaha, no he just sounds like you! :)


Good one. With your humor will you be headlining somewhere soon?

But he does sound like you and True Fan...

No joke.

LasVegasGuy
10-01-2009, 03:17 PM
Hahaha, no he just sounds like you! :)


Good one. With your humor will you be headlining somewhere soon?

But he does sound like you and True Fan...

No joke.

There is someone (True Fan) other then me who doesn't believe in Tomlin? I must be missing their posts.

ikestops85
10-01-2009, 03:41 PM
Hmmm, who would have guessed that LVG would post a multitude of times in this thread? :wink:

frankthetank1
10-01-2009, 03:42 PM
im not the biggest fan of tomlin, i think there are better game day coaches out there, but you have to give the guy some props, he won the super bowl in his second yr, i dont care if it is a result of coming into a good situation or not

So you don't care if we end up with a Barry Switzer, who by the way, walked into a good situation?

yea but jimmy johnson won sb's plural. cowher was lucky to win one sb. tomlin has improved the steelers a hell of a lot more than what switzer did in dallas. poor analogy but nice try

eniparadoxgma
10-01-2009, 03:44 PM
Hmmm, who would have guessed that LVG would post a multitude of times in this thread? :wink:

I was actually expecting the original letter to be signed by him.

SidSmythe
10-01-2009, 03:49 PM
People just never cease to amaze me!

Steelhere10
10-01-2009, 04:01 PM
I thought of a certain Bozo when i first read that yesterday.

feltdizz
10-01-2009, 06:01 PM
Hmmm, who would have guessed that LVG would post a multitude of times in this thread? :wink:

I was actually expecting the original letter to be signed by him.

i thought it was lvg too... :Cheers

LasVegasGuy
10-01-2009, 06:38 PM
Hmmm, who would have guessed that LVG would post a multitude of times in this thread? :wink:

I was actually expecting the original letter to be signed by him.

i thought it was lvg too... :Cheers

C'mon guys if it was me I wouldn't have held back like our friend John from Virginia.
He went light on Tomlin in my opinion.

LasVegasGuy
10-01-2009, 06:39 PM
Hmmm, who would have guessed that LVG would post a multitude of times in this thread? :wink:

I had some free time and the topic was right up my alley.

LasVegasGuy
10-01-2009, 06:40 PM
I thought of a certain Bozo when i first read that yesterday.

Hey! Hey! Everyone, we have an internet tough guy.

NC Steeler Fan
10-02-2009, 10:20 AM
LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky

JTP53609
10-02-2009, 11:05 AM
LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky


hey hey hey, im 24 , what are you trying to say...... :wink:

MeetJoeGreene
10-02-2009, 11:20 AM
LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41gtNOSxnGL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Djfan
10-02-2009, 11:59 AM
LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky

I have to say that this is speaking for me!!

I agree whole heartedly.

feltdizz
10-02-2009, 05:51 PM
LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky

wow.. I keep seeing Good Will Hunting.. It's not your fault.. it's not your fault..

pfelix73
10-02-2009, 07:43 PM
I don't think he is a poor excuse for a coach, but I always said that his real coaching abilities will be shown to the Steeler Nation after 3 or 4 years. The transition from coach to coach will be just about over as most of Cowher's guys will be let go through FA, retired, etc. and the new draft picks under Tomlin will be in the lineup, etc.

:tt1

True Fan
10-02-2009, 10:49 PM
LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky


i am waiting for the same type of reply from the 'real' fans that agree with every move made by this organization.

Discipline of Steel
10-03-2009, 10:19 AM
[quote="NC Steeler Fan":1mu3zmeo]LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky


i am waiting for the same type of reply from the 'real' fans that agree with every move made by this organization.[/quote:1mu3zmeo]

Do you mean the True Fans who actually support those they say they align with?

LasVegasGuy
10-03-2009, 01:01 PM
[quote="NC Steeler Fan":21x4sm3f]LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky


i am waiting for the same type of reply from the 'real' fans that agree with every move made by this organization.[/quote:21x4sm3f]


Dude, all you would get from this bunch is "in Rooney's we trust." They usually don't form their own opinions they just go with the flow. Plus, since Tomlin is black they are afraid to say anything negative about him for fear the other "followers" on this site will label them a racist. I personally don't like this coach. I think he walked into a wonderful situation, he was given above average players, inherited a soon to be HOF defensive coordinator who carried him last year.
I am sick of his favortism to a horrible excuse for a running back in FWP. I can't stand that he allowed the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach to remain with the team. I'm sick of report cards to players. I'm tired of coachspeak. I'm tired that we can't score from the goal line even if we have 4 cracks at it. I am tired of trying to win games in the last minute. I am tired of trying to preserve wins in the last minute of the game. I'm sick of stupid in game decisions that make absolutely no sense then a stupid coach that says he would do it all over again in the same situation. Basically, I am just tired of this underachieving team and I blame that squarely on the coach and the staff HE assembled and retained.

Discipline of Steel
10-03-2009, 01:27 PM
[quote="NC Steeler Fan":1rh8bm2z]LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky


i am waiting for the same type of reply from the 'real' fans that agree with every move made by this organization.


Dude, all you would get from this bunch is "in Rooney's we trust." They usually don't form their own opinions they just go with the flow. Plus, since Tomlin is black they are afraid to say anything negative about him for fear the other "followers" on this site will label them a racist. I personally don't like this coach. I think he walked into a wonderful situation, he was given above average players, inherited a soon to be HOF defensive coordinator who carried him last year.
I am sick of his favortism to a horrible excuse for a running back in FWP. I can't stand that he allowed the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach to remain with the team. I'm sick of report cards to players. I'm tired of coachspeak. I'm tired that we can't score from the goal line even if we have 4 cracks at it. I am tired of trying to win games in the last minute. I am tired of trying to preserve wins in the last minute of the game. I'm sick of stupid in game decisions that make absolutely no sense then a stupid coach that says he would do it all over again in the same situation. Basically, I am just tired of this underachieving team and I blame that squarely on the coach and the staff HE assembled and retained.[/quote:1rh8bm2z]

So what do you like about your favorite team? In 793 posts I have yet to hear it.

snarky
10-03-2009, 03:19 PM
How exactly is winning a SB underachieving?

Steeler Shades
10-03-2009, 03:20 PM
So what do you like about your favorite team? In 793 posts I have yet to hear it.
I interpreted his post as voicing his complaints about Tomlin. If he doesn't care for Tomlin does that also mean that he is not a Steeler fan or have you decided to change the topic of this thread? 8)

Steelhere10
10-03-2009, 07:42 PM
[quote="Discipline of Steel":3ntoptd8]So what do you like about your favorite team? In 793 posts I have yet to hear it.
I interpreted his post as voicing his complaints about Tomlin. If he doesn't care for Tomlin does that also mean that he is not a Steeler fan or have you decided to change the topic of this thread? 8)[/quote:3ntoptd8]So how many times do he have to pollute the board with that crap. What about he send you private pm's and you two discuss your displeasures in the comfort of your own homes. OR better yet , make one thread and every time he have something to say about the coach just add to the same thread. :tt1

Discipline of Steel
10-03-2009, 07:52 PM
[quote="Discipline of Steel":2h5h27pk]So what do you like about your favorite team? In 793 posts I have yet to hear it.
I interpreted his post as voicing his complaints about Tomlin. If he doesn't care for Tomlin does that also mean that he is not a Steeler fan or have you decided to change the topic of this thread? 8)[/quote:2h5h27pk]

"Dude, all you would get from this bunch is "in Rooney's we trust." They usually don't form their own opinions they just go with the flow. Plus, since Tomlin is black they are afraid to say anything negative about him for fear the other "followers" on this site will label them a racist. I personally don't like this coach. I think he walked into a wonderful situation, he was given above average players, inherited a soon to be HOF defensive coordinator who carried him last year.
I am sick of his favortism to a horrible excuse for a running back in FWP. I can't stand that he allowed the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach to remain with the team. I'm sick of report cards to players. I'm tired of coachspeak. I'm tired that we can't score from the goal line even if we have 4 cracks at it. I am tired of trying to win games in the last minute. I am tired of trying to preserve wins in the last minute of the game. I'm sick of stupid in game decisions that make absolutely no sense then a stupid coach that says he would do it all over again in the same situation. Basically, I am just tired of this underachieving team and I blame that squarely on the coach and the staff HE assembled and retained."

I interpret the post as complaints about Tomlin, Parker, our goal line run package, the last minute of our games, Tomlins coaching staff, and the underachieving team as a whole.

snarky
10-03-2009, 08:12 PM
I hope they underachieve their way to another SB win. That would be awesome.

Steeler Shades
10-03-2009, 09:29 PM
" Basically, I am just tired of this underachieving team and I blame that squarely on the coach and the staff HE assembled and retained."

I interpret the post as complaints about Tomlin, Parker, our goal line run package, the last minute of our games, Tomlins coaching staff, and the underachieving team as a whole.
The last sentence convinced me that his issue (and complaint) was with Tomlin. 8)

Steeler Shades
10-03-2009, 09:32 PM
... OR better yet , make one thread and every time he have something to say about the coach just add to the same thread. :tt1
I think that if we did that for every player or coach on the Steelers this board would get very boring very quickly. Or is this a suggestion that should be applied to only one poster? 8)

PSU_dropout43
12-19-2009, 12:21 AM
Did John Hardaway know something we didn't? :D

feelthesteel
12-19-2009, 05:49 AM
in this country if you say obama stinks your a racist if your a white guy.
if you say mccain stinks its okay.

BURGH86STEEL
12-19-2009, 06:49 AM
[quote="NC Steeler Fan":1swayfz6]LVG, I hate to say this as I really don't advocate personal attacks
and I find them childish and learn nothing from them, but all I see is a
guy who desperately needs attention by standing out from the crowd;
and the only way he knows how to do it is to rile up other people
with negative, cryptic one-liners about things he knows people are
passionate about.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions, I'm sure I'm not alone when
I say I'd love to see some well thought out logic from you and an attempt
to make a diplomatic case about it so that we can all try to understand your
rationale and learn from you.

As it is, the more you talk, the more I think you're about 21 to 24 years of
age and still have some unresolved issues from childhood? The ta-tas in your
face kinda support that too...sorry...really. :Binky


i am waiting for the same type of reply from the 'real' fans that agree with every move made by this organization.


Dude, all you would get from this bunch is "in Rooney's we trust." They usually don't form their own opinions they just go with the flow. Plus, since Tomlin is black they are afraid to say anything negative about him for fear the other "followers" on this site will label them a racist. I personally don't like this coach. I think he walked into a wonderful situation, he was given above average players, inherited a soon to be HOF defensive coordinator who carried him last year.
I am sick of his favortism to a horrible excuse for a running back in FWP. I can't stand that he allowed the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach to remain with the team. I'm sick of report cards to players. I'm tired of coachspeak. I'm tired that we can't score from the goal line even if we have 4 cracks at it. I am tired of trying to win games in the last minute. I am tired of trying to preserve wins in the last minute of the game. I'm sick of stupid in game decisions that make absolutely no sense then a stupid coach that says he would do it all over again in the same situation. Basically, I am just tired of this underachieving team and I blame that squarely on the coach and the staff HE assembled and retained.[/quote:1swayfz6]

You trashed him and did not like him since day one. You never gave Tomlin a chance. That is why some people labeled you a racist.

FWP started under Cowher. Parker played a significant role in the team winning the SB in 05, had a great season in 06, played a significant role in the team making the playoffs in 07, and contributed to a another SB win in 08. Unfortunately, injuries have taken their toll on Parker. You may not have agreed that Parker was a starter but he was far from a poor excuse for a RB. He proved he could get the job done.

You can disagree with the OC and OL coaches remaining with the team. That is your prerogative. Those guys helped the team win another SB though. If one thing changed about this team in 08 they may not had won the SB. Just something to think about.

What is wrong with the report cards to players or coach speak? It is not like you get a report card yourself. All coaches have coach speak so I don't know how you get away from it. If you don't like coach speak, you don't have to listen.

There are several aspects of the team that have been difficult to watch this season. The coaches put the players in a position to make plays on more then one occasion. Players did not make the plays. For whatever reason, things are not going the Steelers way this year.

This team had been preserving wins at the end of games for a long time before Tomlin. I don't care how they win could be blow outs, last minute, defense stepping up at the end, or any other way. All that matters is they win. They have done a lot of that with Tomlin as the HC. You don't always know what goes into the decisions at the time so it is difficult to label them stupid. Hindsight is 20/20. What we do know is a lot of the decisions that were made have worked out a majority of the time.

It can be your prerogative to blame the coaches for a majority of the problems this season. At the same time, you should continue to give credit to those guys for the SB win. I see it differently. A majority of the wins and losses fall on the players. Players are the people that have the biggest impact on wins and losses. This is a veteran group of players that knows what it takes to win.

The coach that inherited this team was going to have a good team. Don't hold that against Tomlin. I am satisfied that this team got off to a good start under Tomlin. He is still a young HC that is still learning. There will be bumps a long the road. It happens to the best of coaches. Maybe if you realize some of these things, you will not be so harsh to judge Tomlin.