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Shoe
09-21-2009, 10:47 PM
It is an exciting brand of football the phins are playing. I like it! It's still a physical brand of offense, and they are straight dictating to the Colts. Ronnie Brown really makes the scheme work, as (ideally) you want the QB to be able to pound it up the middle.

I agree with Gruden or Jaws, when they say he's not going to throw the ball, so the safety needs to get involved in run force. Of course that opens you up to the deep ball, but you're hoping Brown doesn't throw it well (a good possibility).

This really sells the Tebow as Wildcat, as this is basically what Tebow does for the Gaotrs anyway. Tebow can run inside (not as well as Brown), but he offers a much better throw option.

You can really have some fun, if the Steelers had Tebow, diagraming schemes with our personnel... Ben is a schoolyard guy at heart anyway.

SteelBucks
09-21-2009, 10:54 PM
Like the Run and Shoot, this gimmick offense will also pass.

Shoe
09-21-2009, 11:02 PM
Like the Run and Shoot, this gimmick offense will also pass.

*You see the way that kid Brown on the Colts just finished that TD run; man, I wish we had that!

Getting back to the Wildcat: I agree, in a sense that you can't just have any fast chump at (Wildcat) QB. That's the point of my post: Brown makes this scheme go, cuz of his inside running ability.

If, for example, Arians wanted to stick Dixon at Wildcat... well, Dixon could throw the ball much better than a Ronnie Brown could, true. But that inside run/dive play that Brown's running so much tonight would not even be a part of the playbook. Therefore, the D would be spread out as normal--thus negating the Ricky Wiliams wide run as well. So, in that sense, you are right.

But if you got a guy like Brown (i.e. Tebow) who can pound it inside, it makes the D have to respect that aspect in addition for accounting for the Rick Wiliams option. Look, I'm not saying it's gonna revolutionize offensive football. Just giving props to Brown, and throwing the Tebow thing out there. :wink:

And it doesn't hurt that they are facing the Colt defense (sans Bob Sanders too).

Uncle Rico
09-21-2009, 11:19 PM
Why do so many people think that the Wildcat is some kind of new innovative offense or something? Hell, Jim Thorpe ran that offense 100 years ago for christ's sake.

RuthlessBurgher
09-22-2009, 12:13 AM
Miami had the best possible offensive performance they could have possibly ask for when running this Wildcat, holding a greater than 3 to 1 advantage in time of possession, and they still lost the game. That was a horrifically bad 2 minute drill. Even Herm Edwards would agree that was poor clock management. Dear Lord.

Mister Pittsburgh
09-22-2009, 04:08 AM
I like how hard Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown run. They are 'violent' runners and finish thier runs.

JTP53609
09-22-2009, 08:56 AM
yea that was pretty bad, they had the ball for 44 minutes and change, unreal, and they lost, that defnese is BADD, if they fix that defense than they look to be pretty good...i agree, brown and williams run hard, i love watching that, so do mcfadden and bush in oakland...

proudpittsburgher
09-22-2009, 09:41 AM
It is an exciting brand of football the phins are playing. I like it! It's still a physical brand of offense, and they are straight dictating to the Colts. Ronnie Brown really makes the scheme work, as (ideally) you want the QB to be able to pound it up the middle.

I agree with Gruden or Jaws, when they say he's not going to throw the ball, so the safety needs to get involved in run force. Of course that opens you up to the deep ball, but you're hoping Brown doesn't throw it well (a good possibility).

This really sells the Tebow as Wildcat, as this is basically what Tebow does for the Gaotrs anyway. Tebow can run inside (not as well as Brown), but he offers a much better throw option.

You can really have some fun, if the Steelers had Tebow, diagraming schemes with our personnel... Ben is a schoolyard guy at heart anyway.


Indy sucks against the run. A lot of the big plays came off straight-up delayed handoffs. No one was singing the praises of the wildcat after the week 1 loss, now, after it does well against a piss-poor run defense, in another loss, people sing its praises again?

Shoe
09-22-2009, 02:11 PM
yea that was pretty bad, they had the ball for 44 minutes and change, unreal, and they lost, that defnese is BADD, if they fix that defense than they look to be pretty good...i agree, brown and williams run hard, i love watching that, so do mcfadden and bush in oakland...

Oakland would actually be a good place for it too. McFadden has a lot of experience running it. Bush seems like he has Ronnie Brown type skills. But as much as anything--their QB blows. Less time he has the ball, the better for them.

As for everyone singing it's praises, we're just saying it's nice to watch, and discussing ways it can be effective. No one is saying it's going to take over the league... can't we just have fun discussing it?

If Brown could be a legitimate throw option, that would be the ultimate. A guy who can:
-run up the gut (strong inside runner)
-is a legitimate throw option

(Tebow! :) )

I also think having a throw option in the Ricky Williams position is better--so that he can present defense with two things to cover. You don't need a power runner like Williams necessarily, cuz his runs are on the edges.

birtikidis
09-23-2009, 12:27 AM
If minnesota adopted an aspect of the wildcat it would be pretty effective too. harvin on that sweep and peterson up the gut? plus they have chester taylor... wow it could be pretty effective there. but then favre may whine and quit. which is good.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
09-23-2009, 09:17 AM
If we run the wildcat it means that Ben either leaves the field or lines up at WR. Is that really what we want to do on O?

JTP53609
09-23-2009, 09:21 AM
the wilcat works, but like just mentioned, why would we run it when we have a Hall of Fame qb..........

proudpittsburgher
09-23-2009, 09:22 AM
If we ran it, I would rather he left the field altogether. Not worth the risk of injury. And have Dixon run it. At least there is the threat of a pass in that situation.

pfelix73
09-23-2009, 09:24 AM
That Wildcat looks a lot like plain and simple option football.

When will we see the wishbone?

Personally, I think with our fast defense, we handle the wildcat just fine.

:tt1

JTP53609
09-23-2009, 09:26 AM
okay, time for my dumb question of the day.....

why is it called the wildcat???? was a college team that first adapted this named the wildcats....

RuthlessBurgher
09-23-2009, 01:36 PM
If we run the wildcat it means that Ben either leaves the field or lines up at WR. Is that really what we want to do on O?

Ben was a WR in high school until his senior year because the coach wanted his son to be QB. If Dixon were Tomlin's son, then I would be worried. :lol:

Snatch98
09-23-2009, 02:23 PM
Like the Run and Shoot, this gimmick offense will also pass.

*You see the way that kid Brown on the Colts just finished that TD run; man, I wish we had that!

Getting back to the Wildcat: I agree, in a sense that you can't just have any fast chump at (Wildcat) QB. That's the point of my post: Brown makes this scheme go, cuz of his inside running ability.

If, for example, Arians wanted to stick Dixon at Wildcat... well, Dixon could throw the ball much better than a Ronnie Brown could, true. But that inside run/dive play that Brown's running so much tonight would not even be a part of the playbook. Therefore, the D would be spread out as normal--thus negating the Ricky Wiliams wide run as well. So, in that sense, you are right.

But if you got a guy like Brown (i.e. Tebow) who can pound it inside, it makes the D have to respect that aspect in addition for accounting for the Rick Wiliams option. Look, I'm not saying it's gonna revolutionize offensive football. Just giving props to Brown, and throwing the Tebow thing out there. :wink:

And it doesn't hurt that they are facing the Colt defense (sans Bob Sanders too).


We do have that with Mendenhall he just needs to get the carries and as for a previous comment we have a guy that can run and throw if Arians chooses to run the wildcat in Dixon. The steelers won't run the wildcat tho.

Shoe
09-23-2009, 04:30 PM
the wilcat works, but like just mentioned, why would we run it when we have a Hall of Fame qb..........

That is very true.

2) I too, think he handle Miami's Wildcat better than most.

3) As much as anything else, I think I started the thread to ignite a little pro-Tebow mindset. I don't necessarily buy into his "Angel" image (i.e. I can't imagine how someone that age could eschew unlimited Florida-fed :Boobs ).

But he is definitely an NFL caliber athlete. Add to it his (QB) experience. AND maybe most importantly, his Joey Porter/Ray Lewis like motor & intensity--that's an underrated quality IMO.