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NorthCoast
09-19-2009, 08:07 PM
So I was looking over Ben's lifetime states and one thing struck me. Ben's YPA is on a steady downward trend. I don't know if this is because of the kind of offense we are using with him or if Ben has purposely shortened his game. I hope this trend reverses this season with Wallace and Sweed emerging. All the top playoff teams have QBs with high YPAs.

Year G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2004 14 13 295 196 66.4 2621 8.88 58 17 11 30/213 43 7 98.1
2005 12 12 268 168 62.7 2385 8.90 85 17 9 23/129 35 12 98.6
2006 15 15 469 280 59.7 3513 7.49 67 18 23 46/280 42 7 75.4
2007 15 15 404 264 65.3 3154 7.81 83 32 11 47/347 39 6 104.1
2008 16 16 469 281 59.9 3301 7.04 65 17 15 46/284 35 7 80.1
2009 1 1 43 33 76.7 363 8.44 34 1 2 4/42 4 0 89.6

Meanwhile, media darling Rivers has been increasing his YPAs. Throwing for 4000 yds last season I can see why fantasy freaks are all over him. But people need to remember that he played against a lot of weak Ds. I would like to see what Rivers does against Baltimore.

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2004 San Diego Chargers 2 0 8 5 62.5 33 4.13 13 1 0 1/10 0 0 110.9
2005 San Diego Chargers 2 0 22 12 54.5 115 5.23 22 0 1 3/16 1 0 50.4
2006 San Diego Chargers 16 16 460 284 61.7 3388 7.37 57 22 9 27/144 41 5 92.0
2007 San Diego Chargers 16 16 460 277 60.2 3152 6.85 49 21 15 22/163 44 4 82.4
2008 San Diego Chargers 16 16 478 312 65.3 4009 8.39 67 34 11 25/151 48 12 105.5
2009 San Diego Chargers 1 1 36 24 66.7 252 7.00 25 1 1 3/12 3 0 84.5

Meanwhile, Drew Brees has been consistently good for many years. Honestly, Brees is beginning to remind me of Dan Marino. A great QB play on teams with no running games and weak defense. It would be a shame if he doesn't get to the Big Game before he finishes up:
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2001 San Diego Chargers 1 0 27 15 55.6 221 8.19 40 1 0 2/12 4 1 94.8
2002 San Diego Chargers 16 16 526 320 60.8 3284 6.24 52 17 16 24/180 40 4 76.9
2003 San Diego Chargers 11 11 356 205 57.6 2108 5.92 68 11 15 21/178 28 5 67.5
2004 San Diego Chargers 15 15 400 262 65.5 3159 7.90 79 27 7 18/131 40 9 104.8
2005 San Diego Chargers 16 16 500 323 64.6 3576 7.15 54 24 15 27/223 46 4 89.2
2006 New Orleans Saints 16 16 554 356 64.3 4418 7.97 86 26 11 18/105 61 18 96.2
2007 New Orleans Saints 16 16 652 440 67.5 4423 6.78 58 28 18 16/109 47 8 89.4
2008 New Orleans Saints 16 16 635 413 65.0 5069 7.98 84 34 17 13/92 66 16 96.2
2009 New Orleans Saints 1 1 34 26 76.5 358 10.53 58 6 1 0/0 4 1 137.0

bostonsteeler
09-19-2009, 09:18 PM
Ya, I've noticed this trend too.

I hope this year is better.

Scarletfire1970
09-19-2009, 10:00 PM
Ben has had to make a change to his game. The oline hasn't been good enough at pass protection to give Ben time to throw the ball deep down the field. Also too, our running game hasn't been that great which doesn't help. Ben had to work on getting rid of the ball faster.

birtikidis
09-19-2009, 10:23 PM
i don't care if his YPA goes doesn as long as his win % goes up.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-19-2009, 10:52 PM
i don't care if his YPA goes doesn as long as his win % goes up.

Ditto, :Agree , big time. Look, Tony Romo YPA is 8.08. So he's great now?

Here's a list below. Note that Ben Rothlisberger. BTW, is 6th in NFL history in YPA, at 7.86 YPA.

I'm sure YPA is very important, but as we can see in the list below, where Joe Montana is only 19th at 7.52 YPA, it is far from everything!

The format for these is:

Ranking in NFL history in YPA (Note: minimum 1500 attempts)
Yards passed
Attempts
YPA


1 Otto Graham*

13,499

1,565

8.63


2 Sid Luckman

14,686

1,744

8.42

3 Norm Van Brocklin

23,611

2,895

8.16

4 Kurt Warner

28,591

3,557

8.04


5 Steve Young

33,124

4,149

7.98

6 Ben Roethlisberger

14,974

1,905

7.86

7 Ed Brown

15,600

1,987

7.851

8 Bart Starr

24,718

3,149

7.849


9 Johnny Unitas

40,239

5,186

7.76

10 Earl Morrall**

20,809

2,689

7.74

11 Dan Fouts

43,040

5,604

7.68

12 Len Dawson

28,711

3,741

7.675

13 Roger Staubach

22,700

2,958

7.674

14 Peyton Manning

45,628

5,960

7.66


15 Daunte Culpepper

23,208

3,042

7.63

16 Trent Green

28,475

3,740

7.61


17 Sonny Jurgensen

32,224

4,262

7.56

18 Y.A. Tittle

33,070

4,395

7.524

19 Joe Montana

40,551

5,391

7.522

20 Frank Ryan

16,042

2,133

7.521


21 Steve Grogan

26,886

3,593

7.48


22 Lynn Dickey

23,322

3,125

7.463


23 Eddie LeBaron

13,399

1,796

7.460


24 Don Meredith

17,199

2,308

7.45


25 Danny White

21,959

2,950

7.44

* Includes NFL years only
** Includes only those championship seasons in which Morrall played a key role for his respective teams (1968 Colts, 1970 Colts, 1972 Dolphins)


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Chachi
09-19-2009, 11:11 PM
I have 3 words for you.....

Third and short.

Why was his YPA down so much last year? That's a big contributor right there.

Add to that Ben's forward progression as he gains in experience in his career. He can handle a bigger load of the offense. He want's to throw it more. As a result of this, and our steady decline of our running game over the past few years, you have more plays, like, screen passes. We did that a good amount last year. Last week we had a few as well. We have more of a short passing game.....partly because of Ben's progression, partly out of necessity due to our lack of running game.

I would expect last years 7.04 to be more indicative going forward in his career. Even if our running game comes back to life, especially in third and short situations, Ben is at a point in his career that he wants and can throw more during a game and to do that the short passing game will continue and maybe even grow.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-20-2009, 12:17 AM
Notice Brady is not in the top 25.

He wins by taking what the defense gives him (unauthorized game film, badumm!), including short 5 or 6 yard throws for first downs.

It's not all YPA, it's winning, that's why as long as BB keeps winning, I won't be checking his YPA!

mshifko
09-20-2009, 12:54 AM
i've noticed that trend as well...you gotta do what you gotta do, ben keeps pulling out wins

Flasteel
09-20-2009, 01:03 PM
So I was looking over Ben's lifetime states and one thing struck me. Ben's YPA is on a steady downward trend. I don't know if this is because of the kind of offense we are using with him or if Ben has purposely shortened his game. I hope this trend reverses this season with Wallace and Sweed emerging. All the top playoff teams have QBs with high YPAs.

Year G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2004 14 13 295 196 66.4 2621 8.88 58 17 11 30/213 43 7 98.1
2005 12 12 268 168 62.7 2385 8.90 85 17 9 23/129 35 12 98.6
2006 15 15 469 280 59.7 3513 7.49 67 18 23 46/280 42 7 75.4
2007 15 15 404 264 65.3 3154 7.81 83 32 11 47/347 39 6 104.1
2008 16 16 469 281 59.9 3301 7.04 65 17 15 46/284 35 7 80.1
2009 1 1 43 33 76.7 363 8.44 34 1 2 4/42 4 0 89.6

Meanwhile, media darling Rivers has been increasing his YPAs. Throwing for 4000 yds last season I can see why fantasy freaks are all over him. But people need to remember that he played against a lot of weak Ds. I would like to see what Rivers does against Baltimore.

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2004 San Diego Chargers 2 0 8 5 62.5 33 4.13 13 1 0 1/10 0 0 110.9
2005 San Diego Chargers 2 0 22 12 54.5 115 5.23 22 0 1 3/16 1 0 50.4
2006 San Diego Chargers 16 16 460 284 61.7 3388 7.37 57 22 9 27/144 41 5 92.0
2007 San Diego Chargers 16 16 460 277 60.2 3152 6.85 49 21 15 22/163 44 4 82.4
2008 San Diego Chargers 16 16 478 312 65.3 4009 8.39 67 34 11 25/151 48 12 105.5
2009 San Diego Chargers 1 1 36 24 66.7 252 7.00 25 1 1 3/12 3 0 84.5

Meanwhile, Drew Brees has been consistently good for many years. Honestly, Brees is beginning to remind me of Dan Marino. A great QB play on teams with no running games and weak defense. It would be a shame if he doesn't get to the Big Game before he finishes up:
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2001 San Diego Chargers 1 0 27 15 55.6 221 8.19 40 1 0 2/12 4 1 94.8
2002 San Diego Chargers 16 16 526 320 60.8 3284 6.24 52 17 16 24/180 40 4 76.9
2003 San Diego Chargers 11 11 356 205 57.6 2108 5.92 68 11 15 21/178 28 5 67.5
2004 San Diego Chargers 15 15 400 262 65.5 3159 7.90 79 27 7 18/131 40 9 104.8
2005 San Diego Chargers 16 16 500 323 64.6 3576 7.15 54 24 15 27/223 46 4 89.2
2006 New Orleans Saints 16 16 554 356 64.3 4418 7.97 86 26 11 18/105 61 18 96.2
2007 New Orleans Saints 16 16 652 440 67.5 4423 6.78 58 28 18 16/109 47 8 89.4
2008 New Orleans Saints 16 16 635 413 65.0 5069 7.98 84 34 17 13/92 66 16 96.2
2009 New Orleans Saints 1 1 34 26 76.5 358 10.53 58 6 1 0/0 4 1 137.0

MSM??
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
09-20-2009, 02:35 PM
MSM??
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You gotta think that he is in a padded cell somewhere trying to make sense of his obsessive man love of Ben and the importance that he places on YPA as the one and only uber-stat.

JTP53609
09-21-2009, 12:14 PM
just let his wins per season stay at around 12 and i will be happy

RuthlessBurgher
09-21-2009, 12:15 PM
just let his wins per season stay at around 12 and i will be happy

I'd be even happier with a Super Bowl wins per season stat of one. :mrgreen: :tt2 :tt1

JTP53609
09-21-2009, 12:26 PM
just let his wins per season stay at around 12 and i will be happy

I'd be even happier with a Super Bowl wins per season stat of one. :mrgreen: :tt2 :tt1

yea that would not be bad either i guess...haha

Mister Pittsburgh
09-21-2009, 12:32 PM
I think it is just more of an incorporation of the short passing game. Stay patterns to the WR in the bunch. Heath more involved in the short patterns. Having a good 3rd down back to hit when under pressure. One thing we don't have though is many deep passes. We used to have one or two deep balls a game get caught but he seems to underthrow every one of them now.

frankthetank1
09-21-2009, 12:39 PM
Ben has had to make a change to his game. The oline hasn't been good enough at pass protection to give Ben time to throw the ball deep down the field. Also too, our running game hasn't been that great which doesn't help. Ben had to work on getting rid of the ball faster.

thats what i think the reason is for his yards per completion is dropping. his first couple seasons the line was better with pass protection so ben had the time for big plays. the last few years he usually doesnt have all that much time to get rid of the ball, but so far this season the line seems to be doing a much better job with pass protection. everyone use to complain that ben early on in his career would never check down when the big play wasnt there. well he is checking down now, spreading the ball around and taking what the defense gives him so it effects his ypc. who cares though as long as they win thats all that matters. ben has looked great this season except for td's-int ratio but one int was on a hail mary and one was yesterday where he got hit hard as he was making the throw