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fordfixer
09-19-2009, 03:50 AM
Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense
Saturday, September 19, 2009
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09262/999267-87.stm

Of all the ridiculous rants coming from the over-reactionary crowd after the Steelers' first game, this easily takes the top prize:

They gotta play Redman!

Yeah, right.

That's the solution to the problems with the running game.

Throw running backs Willie Parker and Rashard Mendenhall out with the garbage and put the ball -- not to mention the team's Super Bowl hopes -- in the hands of a kid who never played in a major college game let alone had a touch in a real NFL game.

Yeah, that'll work.

Give me a break.

I guess I understand the fascination with rookie free agent Isaac Redman, especially after Parker and Mendenhall had a hard time finding yards in the opening-game win against the Tennessee Titans. A lot of people tend to think the next guy in line automatically will do a better job. That's why the backup quarterback usually is the most popular player on any team. It doesn't matter that he's a backup for a reason, namely that he's not as good as the starter. People want to see what he can do the first time the starter loses a game or even throws an interception.

But the passion of the Redman supporters almost seems off the charts. Where does that come from? What is it based on? That Redman had a few strong runs in goal-line situations at training camp and earned the nickname "Red Zone" Redman? That he had a couple of good exhibition games playing with and against second- and third-teamers?

I repeat:

Give me a break.

I shouldn't have to tell you that doing it in those camp practices and exhibition games isn't the same as doing it against the Titans' great defense under the bright lights of the NFL's opening game. It also isn't the same as doing it against the Chicago Bears' defense tomorrow at Soldier Field.

Redman is on the Steelers' practice squad -- not their active roster -- for one very good reason: He's not ready for the NFL.

Certainly, he's not as good as Parker or Mendenhall.

Not yet, anyway.

At the pro level, the running-back position involves more than just toting the ball. It's about knowing the offense and understanding the assignments. It's about picking up blitzes and making the right blocks so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger doesn't get knocked into next week. It's about running the right pass routes so Roethlisberger doesn't throw silly interceptions.

Clearly, Redman is raw, a work in progress. As a Super Bowl contender, the Steelers can't afford to let him learn on the job. They have to go with the guy who is proven (Parker) and the guy who is a lot further along in the process (Mendenhall).

Not that Redman's fans want to hear that.

Of course, they don't.

They're convinced Redman is going to be the next Adrian Peterson.

Even Redman seems a bit amused by his celebrity status. "I've gone to the grocery store and people have recognized me," he said this week. "I get a lot of messages on Facebook from people saying they like the way I run. That tells me I'm doing something good here."

Redman should feel good about himself. He had a remarkable camp and exhibition season. He had no chance to make the Steelers when he signed as a free agent from Bowie State, which played opponents such as Shaw and Lincoln (Pa.) last season and lost to Slippery Rock this season. Yet, he showed enough to find his way on the practice squad and could be just an injury away from getting on the active roster, although the Steelers' coaches also like another back on their practice squad -- Justin Vincent -- because of what he could give them on special teams.

Absolutely, Redman deserves all the credit in the world.

"I like to think I'll be ready if I get the opportunity," he said. "I've been working hard and studying the playbook. To have a little bit of success like I did gives me confidence I can play on this level."

Who knows? Maybe Redman will become an NFL star. Parker was an undrafted free agent and went on to become a Pro Bowl player and Super Bowl hero.

But there's a better chance Redman won't make it big. Any of the 31 other NFL teams could have claimed him on waivers after the final cut this summer, but all passed. You would think if the guy is destined to become the next Adrian Peterson, at least one of the clubs would have recognized it.

Not to be cynical.
Ron Cook can be reached at rcook@post-gazette.com. More articles by this author
First published on September 19, 2009 at 12:00 am

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Djfan
09-19-2009, 04:46 AM
The logic is there, but weak. In camp, against our first team D, Redman made four of five goal line TDs. Also, just because they are on the PS or rookies, doesnt' mean that they are not good and improving. Ask Silverback about that. Or Ben.

It's not always true.

Still, I hope to see them give this kid his shot. I don't care if the other teams didn't want him. He seems like a weapon. Maybe in time.

stlrz d
09-19-2009, 07:00 AM
The logic is there, but weak. In camp, against our first team D, Redman made four of five goal line TDs. Also, just because they are on the PS or rookies, doesnt' mean that they are not good and improving. Ask Silverback about that. Or Ben.

It's not always true.

Still, I hope to see them give this kid his shot. I don't care if the other teams didn't want him. He seems like a weapon. Maybe in time.

And he was also chastised for celebrating a TD when the offense knew the defense was running the same play each time. There was a story posted about it...Clark got in his face and told him what's what.

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At the pro level, the running-back position involves more than just toting the ball. It's about knowing the offense and understanding the assignments. It's about picking up blitzes and making the right blocks so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger doesn't get knocked into next week. It's about running the right pass routes so Roethlisberger doesn't throw silly interceptions.

:Clap Couldn't agree more.

Of course I'd like to see this kid succeed...he plays for MY team...but it's clear he's not ready for the show yet.

Mister Pittsburgh
09-19-2009, 08:54 AM
I don't recall seeing a single person saying that Redman should be our feature back. If there are those people, they deserve to be ripped. I do however think that either Tank or Redman should be given a shot at short yardage back. You know, the position that was handed to perrenial stud Gary Russell last year. Remember him Ron Cook? Nice article though..... :roll:

Starlifter
09-19-2009, 10:24 AM
Redman is on the Steelers' practice squad -- not their active roster -- for one very good reason: He's not ready for the NFL.

Certainly, he's not as good as Parker or Mendenhall.


that may very well be true and i have faith in tomlin's judgement. having said that isn't it equally plausible that redman is on the practice squad because WP can't go from starter to cut in one camp and mendenhall has millions of first round draft pick money invested in him? I'm not suggesting mendenhall is a bust but how long did we keep troy edwards? it's never simply about ability i'm afraid.

RuthlessBurgher
09-19-2009, 12:22 PM
At the pro level, the running-back position involves more than just toting the ball. It's about knowing the offense and understanding the assignments. It's about picking up blitzes and making the right blocks so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger doesn't get knocked into next week. It's about running the right pass routes so Roethlisberger doesn't throw silly interceptions.

:Clap Couldn't agree more.

Of course I'd like to see this kid succeed...he plays for MY team...but it's clear he's not ready for the show yet.

I couldn't disagree more. Cook suggests that Redman supporters think he is the second coming of Adrian Peterson. Please. Maybe the Bears' Adrian Peterson, but not the Vikings' Adrian Peterson. Does he really think Steeler fans are that stupid? Give us some credit here, man.

The fact of that matter is that if Redman was active, he would have one specific job and one specific job only. In short yardage and goal line situations, he would have to line up behind FB D.J. Johnson in the I-formation, and pound the rock for a yard or two to get the first down or touchdown. That's it.

It's a very specialized gig. In order to do it, he does not need to know the whole offense and understanding all of the assignments. He does not have to pick up blitzes and make the right blocks so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger doesn't get knocked into next week. He doesn't have to run the right pass routes so Roethlisberger doesn't throw silly interceptions. They have Parker, Mendenhall, and Moore to handle all of those things. Redman would only need to be on the field in short yardage situations and carry the ball between the tackles. Perhaps occassionally, they use him as a decoy in short yardage and run a play action pass, in which case Redman's only responsibility would be to pretend that he was carrying the ball between the tackles. I think he could handle that.

It's not tough. This guy can do it. He showed that he could against our defense in Latrobe (against both 3rd teamers as well as 1st teamers). In preseason games, he scored TD's against Arizona's 3rd teamers and Carolina's 1st teamers, breaking multiple tackles from actual NFL players (not current UPS drivers) on the way to paydirt.

We kept a guy on the team last year solely for short yardage running last year. His name was Gary Russell. No one expected him to become the next Adrian Peterson, but he did score the first TD in the Super Bowl. If those 7 points we scored there were only 3 because we were not able to punch it in, Santonio's TD catch at the end of the game would have only tied the score instead of won it. Being able to run the ball in short yardage situations is vitally important.

We have a specialists for a variety of jobs (just return kicks, just long snap, etc.) so why not have a specialist just to run short yardage? I think he'd be better at the job that we ask him to do as opposed to having Frank the Tank trying to learn how to convert to a fullback and whiffing on half his blocks. Summers can learn to be a FB on the practice squad while Johnson takes over the reins at blocking FB with Redman behind him in short yardage situations.

Mister Pittsburgh
09-19-2009, 12:40 PM
At the pro level, the running-back position involves more than just toting the ball. It's about knowing the offense and understanding the assignments. It's about picking up blitzes and making the right blocks so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger doesn't get knocked into next week. It's about running the right pass routes so Roethlisberger doesn't throw silly interceptions.

:Clap Couldn't agree more.

Of course I'd like to see this kid succeed...he plays for MY team...but it's clear he's not ready for the show yet.

I couldn't disagree more. Cook suggests that Redman supporters think he is the second coming of Adrian Peterson. Please. Maybe the Bears' Adrian Peterson, but not the Vikings' Adrian Peterson. Does he really think Steeler fans are that stupid? Give us some credit here, man.

The fact of that matter is that if Redman was active, he would have one specific job and one specific job only. In short yardage and goal line situations, he would have to line up behind FB D.J. Johnson in the I-formation, and pound the rock for a yard or two to get the first down or touchdown. That's it.

It's a very specialized gig. In order to do it, he does not need to know the whole offense and understanding all of the assignments. He does not have to pick up blitzes and make the right blocks so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger doesn't get knocked into next week. He doesn't have to run the right pass routes so Roethlisberger doesn't throw silly interceptions. They have Parker, Mendenhall, and Moore to handle all of those things. Redman would only need to be on the field in short yardage situations and carry the ball between the tackles. Perhaps occassionally, they use him as a decoy in short yardage and run a play action pass, in which case Redman's only responsibility would be to pretend that he was carrying the ball between the tackles. I think he could handle that.

It's not tough. This guy can do it. He showed that he could against our defense in Latrobe (against both 3rd teamers as well as 1st teamers). In preseason games, he scored TD's against Arizona's 3rd teamers and Carolina's 1st teamers, breaking multiple tackles from actual NFL players (not current UPS drivers) on the way to paydirt.

We kept a guy on the team last year solely for short yardage running last year. His name was Gary Russell. No one expected him to become the next Adrian Peterson, but he did score the first TD in the Super Bowl. If those 7 points we scored there were only 3 because we were not able to punch it in, Santonio's TD catch at the end of the game would have only tied the score instead of won it. Being able to run the ball in short yardage situations is vitally important.

We have a specialists for a variety of jobs (just return kicks, just long snap, etc.) so why not have a specialist just to run short yardage? I think he'd be better at the job that we ask him to do as opposed to having Frank the Tank trying to learn how to convert to a fullback and whiffing on half his blocks. Summers can learn to be a FB on the practice squad while Johnson takes over the reins at blocking FB with Redman behind him in short yardage situations.

Nice post :Beer

Shoe
09-19-2009, 12:49 PM
OK, you can argue that Redman isn't ready for the big stage yet... but, I think it's very difficult to argue, that MEWELDE MOORE is not our best back right now. The guy simply moves chains.

Yeah, he's not gonna break the game open (like Parker used to). And yeah, he doesn't look the part (like Mendenhall, who's built like a tank).

But he makes positive football plays all the time. He gets what's there. He catches passes. He blocks pretty well. He is our Kevin Faulk. Like everyone else, I'm tired of seeing Willie tripped up, or run into the pile, for no gain. Same with Mendenhall--he's given zero indication that he is any different than FWP (both seem to lack instincts). Moore has instincts. He can play. Let him start.

RuthlessBurgher
09-19-2009, 01:00 PM
OK, you can argue that Redman isn't ready for the big stage yet... but, I think it's very difficult to argue, that MEWELDE MOORE is not our best back right now. The guy simply moves chains.

Yeah, he's not gonna break the game open (like Parker used to). And yeah, he doesn't look the part (like Mendenhall, who's built like a tank).

But he makes positive football plays all the time. He gets what's there. He catches passes. He blocks pretty well. He is our Kevin Faulk. Like everyone else, I'm tired of seeing Willie tripped up, or run into the pile, for no gain. Same with Mendenhall--he's given zero indication that he is any different than FWP (both seem to lack instincts). Moore has instincts. He can play. Let him start.

Why should Moore start? He's perfectly fine doing what he is doing now. Fits his role well and does his job. Would he be more effective with all the starter's carries as well on top of that? I doubt it. That is why you split the workload in the this era of the RB-by-committee. You made the Kevin Faulk comparison, which is pretty much spot-on. Does Belichick see the need to start Faulk because he is so effective on 3rd downs and in the no huddle? Nope. He'll use Maroney and Taylor and Morris to grind out yards as the RB's on first and second down before allowing Faulk to do this thing. Faulk fits his role well, and Moore does the same. He knows what his role is, so we should just let him do that job and be happy with it.

stlrz d
09-19-2009, 10:07 PM
Good points RB but what happens when Redman is in the game and the D forces an audible and Redman doesn't know his assignment?

That's why I agree with what I quoted from the article.

BradshawsHairdresser
09-19-2009, 10:17 PM
I couldn't disagree more. Cook suggests that Redman supporters think he is the second coming of Adrian Peterson. Please. Maybe the Bears' Adrian Peterson, but not the Vikings' Adrian Peterson. Does he really think Steeler fans are that stupid? Give us some credit here, man.

The fact of that matter is that if Redman was active, he would have one specific job and one specific job only. In short yardage and goal line situations, he would have to line up behind FB D.J. Johnson in the I-formation, and pound the rock for a yard or two to get the first down or touchdown. That's it.

It's a very specialized gig. In order to do it, he does not need to know the whole offense and understanding all of the assignments. He does not have to pick up blitzes and make the right blocks so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger doesn't get knocked into next week. He doesn't have to run the right pass routes so Roethlisberger doesn't throw silly interceptions. They have Parker, Mendenhall, and Moore to handle all of those things. Redman would only need to be on the field in short yardage situations and carry the ball between the tackles. Perhaps occassionally, they use him as a decoy in short yardage and run a play action pass, in which case Redman's only responsibility would be to pretend that he was carrying the ball between the tackles. I think he could handle that.

It's not tough. This guy can do it. He showed that he could against our defense in Latrobe (against both 3rd teamers as well as 1st teamers). In preseason games, he scored TD's against Arizona's 3rd teamers and Carolina's 1st teamers, breaking multiple tackles from actual NFL players (not current UPS drivers) on the way to paydirt.

We kept a guy on the team last year solely for short yardage running last year. His name was Gary Russell. No one expected him to become the next Adrian Peterson, but he did score the first TD in the Super Bowl. If those 7 points we scored there were only 3 because we were not able to punch it in, Santonio's TD catch at the end of the game would have only tied the score instead of won it. Being able to run the ball in short yardage situations is vitally important.

We have a specialists for a variety of jobs (just return kicks, just long snap, etc.) so why not have a specialist just to run short yardage? I think he'd be better at the job that we ask him to do as opposed to having Frank the Tank trying to learn how to convert to a fullback and whiffing on half his blocks. Summers can learn to be a FB on the practice squad while Johnson takes over the reins at blocking FB with Redman behind him in short yardage situations.

:Clap :Clap :Clap
I wish the PPG would publish this rebuttal to Cook's article.

birtikidis
09-19-2009, 10:19 PM
Good points RB but what happens when Redman is in the game and the D forces an audible and Redman doesn't know his assignment?

That's why I agree with what I quoted from the article.
not only that but who do you cut? you got to move someone from the active roster to the ps. and redman isn't a good special teams player. those of you that want to compare him to russell have to remember that russell also returned kicks, something redman wont be doing. Tomlin will never bring a guy up who has such a limited role. and he shouldn't.

mshifko
09-20-2009, 01:05 AM
I don't recall seeing a single person saying that Redman should be our feature back. If there are those people, they deserve to be ripped. I do however think that either Tank or Redman should be given a shot at short yardage back. You know, the position that was handed to perrenial stud Gary Russell last year. Remember him Ron Cook? Nice article though..... :roll:
that's what i was thinking the whole time i was reading that article...

Oviedo
09-20-2009, 09:29 AM
Good points RB but what happens when Redman is in the game and the D forces an audible and Redman doesn't know his assignment?

That's why I agree with what I quoted from the article.
not only that but who do you cut? you got to move someone from the active roster to the ps. and redman isn't a good special teams player. those of you that want to compare him to russell have to remember that russell also returned kicks, something redman wont be doing. Tomlin will never bring a guy up who has such a limited role. and he shouldn't.

Exactly. You don't sign someone from the practice squad to carry the ball 5 times per game and in the process cut someone from your 53. One of the reasons that Redman is on the practice squad is because at no time did he show he could contribute on special teams. If he had showed he could be an effective gunner or kick off returner he likely would have had a shot at the 53. Another reasoin is likely he showed he could not block so that eliminates the possibility he could be a FB. So he is where he belongs and where he can get better.

Mister Pittsburgh
09-20-2009, 10:03 AM
Good points RB but what happens when Redman is in the game and the D forces an audible and Redman doesn't know his assignment?

That's why I agree with what I quoted from the article.
not only that but who do you cut? you got to move someone from the active roster to the ps. and redman isn't a good special teams player. those of you that want to compare him to russell have to remember that russell also returned kicks, something redman wont be doing. Tomlin will never bring a guy up who has such a limited role. and he shouldn't.

Exactly. You don't sign someone from the practice squad to carry the ball 5 times per game and in the process cut someone from your 53. One of the reasons that Redman is on the practice squad is because at no time did he show he could contribute on special teams. If he had showed he could be an effective gunner or kick off returner he likely would have had a shot at the 53. Another reasoin is likely he showed he could not block so that eliminates the possibility he could be a FB. So he is where he belongs and where he can get better.

Either send Frank the Tank to the PS to learn how to be a real FB in the NFL in practice and not in real game situations, or have him tote the rock as our RB in short yardage instead of as a FB with a 205lb RB following him. If he can't do either of those effectively, then bring Redman up from the PS to tote the rock in short yardage with huge TE David Johnson as the plow blade.

Doogie36
09-20-2009, 12:39 PM
nope not 1 person called for him to be the feature back. I called for him to be the guy who picks up a half yard just like RUSSELL did last year. WHere is RUSSELL NOW??

WOW this guy needed something to write huh??? LOL

I still say CALL UP REDMAN NOW!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it was my posting that started all of this...hehe...

steelernation77
09-20-2009, 12:43 PM
No one is suggesting Redman should be the full-time back, but it is ridiculous to suggest that after the way this team has struggled with picking up short-yardage that we should not use all available options to try and solve the problem. Redman showed an ability in camp and in the preseason to get tough yards, I say bring him in and let him try.

RuthlessBurgher
09-20-2009, 01:17 PM
I think an even better solution than bringing up Redman would be to sign a real life blocking FB to take Summers place on the roster (and giving Justin Vincent's spot on the P.S. to Tank so he could learn how to play FB in practice rather than failing at it in games). But since Arians gave his "I will never have a real FB" mumbo jumbo proclamation (how stupid), the next best option in my mind would be to replace Tank with Redman, and let Redman run behind Johnson in short yardage situations.

aggiebones
09-20-2009, 08:24 PM
Ford, you are pretty offbase with your comments.
At least for most of the intelligent Redman supporters.
Most want him for short yardage. Who scored the short yardage TD last season in the Super Bowl? Parker cannot score in close and he doesn't pick up 3 and 1. He has his talents for sure. Mendenhall is also talented and may be able to get those short yardage runs in time. Maybe he is the answer we can use. But we have seen what Redman can do in short yardage against first string Ds, both ours and others in the preseason. Its not a full body of work, but I think like Logan, Sepulveda, etc, he can give us a boost in the VERY important short yardage department. If we could keep 54 guys, I bet he would be there.
Most here that want Redman would change him and Summers. Summers is also clearly not ready. TE Johnson could handle the limited lead blocking and stay on his feet while doing it. The switch most would like:

Current: Summers leading for RB X (Mendi or Parker) ; Redman on PS
to
Future: TE Johnson leading for Redman ; Summers on PS

Summers would not be a loss at all and Redman could be a huge gain.
Plus, you get him some PT in the limelight and maybe he is the no.2 back next year if Parker is gone.
Most see no downside to Summers disappearing, so that makes this move even easier to make.

stlrz d
09-20-2009, 08:31 PM
aggie - fordfixer posted the article...he didn't write it.

aggiebones
09-21-2009, 09:53 AM
Geez, my bad Ford. I didn't think it sounded much like you.


Now I realize a writer is just trying to stir up a story to get his name noticed.

JTP53609
09-21-2009, 03:11 PM
we finally look to be running better and its in the fourth qtr, maybe that line had enough of us and wanted to show what they could do......

birtikidis
09-21-2009, 05:08 PM
Ford, you are pretty offbase with your comments.
At least for most of the intelligent Redman supporters.
Most want him for short yardage. Who scored the short yardage TD last season in the Super Bowl? Parker cannot score in close and he doesn't pick up 3 and 1. He has his talents for sure. Mendenhall is also talented and may be able to get those short yardage runs in time. Maybe he is the answer we can use. But we have seen what Redman can do in short yardage against first string Ds, both ours and others in the preseason. Its not a full body of work, but I think like Logan, Sepulveda, etc, he can give us a boost in the VERY important short yardage department. If we could keep 54 guys, I bet he would be there.
Most here that want Redman would change him and Summers. Summers is also clearly not ready. TE Johnson could handle the limited lead blocking and stay on his feet while doing it. The switch most would like:

Current: Summers leading for RB X (Mendi or Parker) ; Redman on PS
to
Future: TE Johnson leading for Redman ; Summers on PS

Summers would not be a loss at all and Redman could be a huge gain.
Plus, you get him some PT in the limelight and maybe he is the no.2 back next year if Parker is gone.
Most see no downside to Summers disappearing, so that makes this move even easier to make.
who do you replace summers with on special teams? not redman. a starter?

Oviedo
09-21-2009, 05:28 PM
Anyone want to give a little credit to the coaching staff and acept that maybe they know what they are doing and what they see everyday in practice tells them Redman isn't ready to contribute?

Just a real wild out of the box thought on my part.

Chadman
09-21-2009, 05:58 PM
Just add Redman to the list of UDFA that we, the Steelers messege board, convince ourselves is of NFL calibre, despite every other team passing on them at draft time.

Yes, the Steelers have had some success with UDFA's in the past, but you can't hit on all of them.

This board was CLAMOURING for Frank Summers at draft time, how about we let him grow into a player instead of growing bored of him & wanting him replaced?

Oviedo
09-21-2009, 06:15 PM
Just add Redman to the list of UDFA that we, the Steelers messege board, convince ourselves is of NFL calibre, despite every other team passing on them at draft time.

Yes, the Steelers have had some success with UDFA's in the past, but you can't hit on all of them.

This board was CLAMOURING for Frank Summers at draft time, how about we let him grow into a player instead of growing bored of him & wanting him replaced?

You're just radical nutcase. Quit your crazy talk. It's not welcome here.

RuthlessBurgher
09-21-2009, 06:20 PM
Just add Redman to the list of UDFA that we, the Steelers messege board, convince ourselves is of NFL calibre, despite every other team passing on them at draft time.

Yes, the Steelers have had some success with UDFA's in the past, but you can't hit on all of them.

This board was CLAMOURING for Frank Summers at draft time, how about we let him grow into a player instead of growing bored of him & wanting him replaced?

You're just radical nutcase. Quit your crazy talk. It's not welcome here.

:Agree All those inverted er's and extra u's after an o, and all those other Aussie idiosyncracies. Crazy talk, I tell you! :lol:

fordfixer
09-22-2009, 04:31 AM
Geez, my bad Ford. I didn't think it sounded much like you.


Now I realize a writer is just trying to stir up a story to get his name noticed.


No worries :tt1

Mister Pittsburgh
09-22-2009, 07:28 AM
If Summers was a RB in college, and a pretty speedy guy for his size and weight, why not give him the rock to follow a lead block from Heath? He caught the ball in college too so this could lead to some screens with him.......

RuthlessBurgher
09-22-2009, 09:18 AM
If Summers was a RB in college, and a pretty speedy guy for his size and weight, why not give him the rock to follow a lead block from Heath? He caught the ball in college too so this could lead to some screens with him.......

Although Heath is a solid blocking TE, he should not be used as a FB. His blocking involves sealing the edge next to the tackle. If you want a TE to play FB, then use D.J. Johnson there instead (like McHugh last year). Johnson is 6-2, 260 and built like a brick outhouse. Heath's 256 lbs is spread out over a 6-5 frame, so it would be more difficult for him to get low on a lead block. Let Heath do what he does best (i.e. not fullback).

aggiebones
09-22-2009, 12:28 PM
"Anyone want to give a little credit to the coaching staff and acept that maybe they know what they are doing and what they see everyday in practice tells them Redman isn't ready to contribute?

Just a real wild out of the box thought on my part."


Geez, why have this board if we aren't going to debate.

And you know why Summers is still here. He was drafted and some scout has vouched for him. I watched him in college and I can't appreciate his ability as much as some. I've watched Redman and think he and DJ blocking can do more than Summers and any back we have.


Yes, coaches get the final say, doesn't mean I on this board of all things, get no opinion. Oviedo, do you ever have opinions here??? How about the one regarding you wanting Townsend playing over Carter at SS, which I find ridiculous frankly.

I think Tomlin senses laziness out of Redman personal and I don't think he wants to reward him. But the team would be rewarded if he were to play.

What is our current record on 3rd or 4th and short or goalline when running the ball? Have we made ONE yet? I bet its pretty paltry. Might try something.

I honestly can't claim any knowledge of Summers ST ability and I know Redman is not a fit there, so something would have to be done. I'd like to see another route pondered than the current one. But hey that's just me and my opinion. Noone said it is fact. But I don't spout off too often here either.

RuthlessBurgher
09-22-2009, 12:33 PM
"Anyone want to give a little credit to the coaching staff and acept that maybe they know what they are doing and what they see everyday in practice tells them Redman isn't ready to contribute?

Just a real wild out of the box thought on my part."


Geez, why have this board if we aren't going to debate.

And you know why Summers is still here. He was drafted and some scout has vouched for him. I watched him in college and I can't appreciate his ability as much as some. I've watched Redman and think he and DJ blocking can do more than Summers and any back we have.


Yes, coaches get the final say, doesn't mean I on this board of all things, get no opinion. Oviedo, do you ever have opinions here??? How about the one regarding you wanting Townsend playing over Carter at SS, which I find ridiculous frankly.

I think Tomlin senses laziness out of Redman personal and I don't think he wants to reward him. But the team would be rewarded if he were to play.

What is our current record on 3rd or 4th and short or goalline when running the ball? Have we made ONE yet? I bet its pretty paltry. Might try something.

I honestly can't claim any knowledge of Summers ST ability and I know Redman is not a fit there, so something would have to be done. I'd like to see another route pondered than the current one. But hey that's just me and my opinion. Noone said it is fact. But I don't spout off too often here either.

The only successful goal line run so far was run in by Ben. That doesn't sound like confidence in the short yardage RB's that we currently have on the active roster.

spyboots
09-22-2009, 12:40 PM
[quote="RuthlessBurgher"] The only successful goal line run so far was run in by Ben./quote]

Oh, my! :shock:

Oviedo
09-22-2009, 12:54 PM
Geez--looks like Townsend may be playing SS before Redman get his first carry. But why not reward a "lazy" player and put him on the active roster. Sets a good precedent.


Steelers safeties battling injuries
Polamalu and Carter each dinged up
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Nell Redmond/Associated PressRyan Mundy could replace Tyrone Carter in the lineup against the Bengals Sunday.Perhaps the Steelers might change the name of the position from safety to something else because there just is no safe way to play that post for them these days.

Strong safety? Troy Polamalu and Tyrone Carter looked anything but pictures of strength as they limped around the Steelers' UPMC training facility yesterday. Carter could join Polamalu out of the lineup this week when the Steelers open competition in the AFC North Division at Cincinnati.

Carter came out of the 17-14 loss Sunday in Chicago with a severely bruised left thigh, the result of his thunderous hit on Bears tight end Greg Olsen that left them both shaken. Polamalu will enter the second of his estimated 3-6 weeks on the sideline with a torn left knee MCL.

Next up? The Steelers have some choices. Ryan Mundy is the only other safety listed on the team after free safety Ryan Clark. He could well move into the starting job at strong safety if Carter cannot play. They also have options with two veteran cornerbacks, Deshea Townsend and Keiwan Ratliff. Each can play safety and have practiced there.
Mundy has played in the first two games in some dime defenses, but this is his first season after spending his first year out of WVU on the Steelers' practice squad. If they do not believe he is ready to start, they could put one of their veteran cornerbacks there.

Either way, it has not been a strong start for the Steelers' strong safeties.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09265/99 ... z0Rr4gSlL2 (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09265/999808-66.stm#ixzz0Rr4gSlL2)

BradshawsHairdresser
09-22-2009, 10:54 PM
Geez--looks like Townsend may be playing SS before Redman get his first carry. But why not reward a "lazy" player and put him on the active roster. Sets a good precedent.


???
Where is the evidence that Redman is a "lazy" player? Where does that charge come from?

Mister Pittsburgh
09-23-2009, 07:35 AM
If Summers was a RB in college, and a pretty speedy guy for his size and weight, why not give him the rock to follow a lead block from Heath? He caught the ball in college too so this could lead to some screens with him.......

Although Heath is a solid blocking TE, he should not be used as a FB. His blocking involves sealing the edge next to the tackle. If you want a TE to play FB, then use D.J. Johnson there instead (like McHugh last year). Johnson is 6-2, 260 and built like a brick outhouse. Heath's 256 lbs is spread out over a 6-5 frame, so it would be more difficult for him to get low on a lead block. Let Heath do what he does best (i.e. not fullback).

That's fine. The main point of what I said though was the Tank at RB part. He is like 5'10" 250lbs with speed and hands. Why not let him try and plow through the line to get the tough yard or two? Especially if he has a big lead blocker like Johnson.

Oviedo
09-23-2009, 08:16 AM
Geez--looks like Townsend may be playing SS before Redman get his first carry. But why not reward a "lazy" player and put him on the active roster. Sets a good precedent.


???
Where is the evidence that Redman is a "lazy" player? Where does that charge come from?

Not my words.


I think Tomlin senses laziness out of Redman personal and I don't think he wants to reward him. But the team would be rewarded if he were to play.


Do you think Redman is a great player and the staff is just deliberately not playing him because they want to struggle? It must be that or they are incompetent and can't see talent watching a player at practice very single day.

aggiebones
09-23-2009, 11:31 AM
I did not call him lazy, I simply said, maybe Tomlin thinks he's lazy. He does beg to come out a bit and Tomlin showed in the preseason that he pushed him back in the game to build up his stamina. He also mentioned this in an interview. I believe Tomlin was pushing him because he saw the potential there. I only speculated that maybe Tomlin doesn't think he's quite ready. My point is that noone else has shown to be ready either. He's not gonna be the main back anyway. He can work out just the same during the week and run the ball 5 times on gameday, hardly taxing.

Summers showed zero propensity during the preseason and training camp to do any goalline work. And he gets knocked on his arse when lead blocking. Summers performed to some degree in preseason games against guys now cut. Redman was doing the goalline work all through the preseason games, beginning to end and against our top defense in camp.

The only reason I can see not giving him a try now is that Tomlin sees him as lazy or something. Cause there's no reason after TWO failed seasons of shortyardage work that we wouldn't try someone new that has shown ability there. I'm all for letting Mendenhall give it a go as well, but Summers is a wasted spot IMO. He's a marginal blocker. He runs fast only when running straight arched back. Very weird runner. He has no balance when running head down in good blocking position. We've surely all seen him by now falling flat on his face many times while trying to lead block. If anyone needs on the practice squad, its him. He is not ready for his main job as FB, lead blocking. Redman could be ready now for a main job of scoring TDs in short yardage, something of some importance in the NFL.
Hey, he could totally flop, but we won't know until we try him. If he flops, cut him and move on. But current, our short yardage situation is bottom 5 in the league. We can't make 3rd and a foot right now on the 50. And it is our most glaring weakness! Fix It.

feltdizz
09-23-2009, 12:05 PM
Geez--looks like Townsend may be playing SS before Redman get his first carry. But why not reward a "lazy" player and put him on the active roster. Sets a good precedent.


???
Where is the evidence that Redman is a "lazy" player? Where does that charge come from?

Not my words.


I think Tomlin senses laziness out of Redman personal and I don't think he wants to reward him. But the team would be rewarded if he were to play.


Do you think Redman is a great player and the staff is just deliberately not playing him because they want to struggle? It must be that or they are incompetent and can't see talent watching a player at practice very single day.

James Harrison should have been on the field 2 years earlier..
Fast Willie Parker probably should have seen the field a year earlier..
Big Ben wouldn't have seen the field if Tommy didn't get hurt and we had a winning season

all 3 were better then the guy in front of them (well, FWP wasn't better but a great change of pace and JPeezy disappeared at times)

there are times when a player is "ready" but the coach just doesn't feel he is...sometimes it's politics... it's like the old argument about black coaches or younger coaches and people saying a team would surely hire a guy if he was qualified... but that was bull..

sometimes coaches and owners are scared of the unknown... and maybe they see Redman as a one off..

I disagree but I think teams make mistakes all the time with players and we are like 2 for 15 in short yardage the last 2 years..it's almost like our staff refuses to admit our weakness because it's so obvious.. I really think the FO is saving face for drafting a 5th round bust(so far that is..)

Oviedo
09-23-2009, 12:07 PM
I did not call him lazy, I simply said, maybe Tomlin thinks he's lazy. He does beg to come out a bit and Tomlin showed in the preseason that he pushed him back in the game to build up his stamina. He also mentioned this in an interview. I believe Tomlin was pushing him because he saw the potential there. I only speculated that maybe Tomlin doesn't think he's quite ready. My point is that noone else has shown to be ready either. He's not gonna be the main back anyway. He can work out just the same during the week and run the ball 5 times on gameday, hardly taxing.

Summers showed zero propensity during the preseason and training camp to do any goalline work. And he gets knocked on his arse when lead blocking. Summers performed to some degree in preseason games against guys now cut. Redman was doing the goalline work all through the preseason games, beginning to end and against our top defense in camp.

The only reason I can see not giving him a try now is that Tomlin sees him as lazy or something. Cause there's no reason after TWO failed seasons of shortyardage work that we wouldn't try someone new that has shown ability there. I'm all for letting Mendenhall give it a go as well, but Summers is a wasted spot IMO. He's a marginal blocker. He runs fast only when running straight arched back. Very weird runner. He has no balance when running head down in good blocking position. We've surely all seen him by now falling flat on his face many times while trying to lead block. If anyone needs on the practice squad, its him. He is not ready for his main job as FB, lead blocking. Redman could be ready now for a main job of scoring TDs in short yardage, something of some importance in the NFL.
Hey, he could totally flop, but we won't know until we try him. If he flops, cut him and move on. But current, our short yardage situation is bottom 5 in the league. We can't make 3rd and a foot right now on the 50. And it is our most glaring weakness! Fix It.

Don't misunderstand and assume that I don't think Redman may have a future because he very well may. My only point continues to be that the coaches must see something everyday that is not there and they must see something everyday that Summers does have. These are not stupid men and they don't have these jobs because of a demonstrated lack of ability to evaluate talent. Can we agree on that?

aggiebones
09-23-2009, 12:14 PM
I'm not even saying Redman is the answer. But he has shown the ability to be the answer where others have shown not to be. And I don't think it would take alot of reshuffling to find out.

It could be as simple as they felt that Redman would make it the practice squad and Summers wouldn't. Maybe someone was already sniffing for Summers. So if they want to keep both, they try sending Redman down. One thing is known; we can't house both of them right now.
BUT if Parker goes FA, then Mendi moves up and we need another back. Also to, maybe Summers proves to be a flop or a success as the season progresses. Who knows what this season holds. Maybe we have 2 openings in the RB corp next season.

feltdizz
09-23-2009, 12:16 PM
Don't misunderstand and assume that I don't think Redman may have a future because he very well may. My only point continues to be that the coaches must see something everyday that is not there and they must see something everyday that Summers does have. These are not stupid men and they don't have these jobs because of a demonstrated lack of ability to evaluate talent. Can we agree on that?

but every GAME we fail on 3rd and 1... I could see if Redman was needed to start at RB..
our short yadage could be our downfall..

we already lost a game and we are starting to look like the Eagles in short yardage.. passing on 3rd and 1..

funny how we and the FO have all these theories why Redman isn't dressing... but until we see Redman in a game we have no idea how he will respond.

Oviedo
09-23-2009, 01:19 PM
Don't misunderstand and assume that I don't think Redman may have a future because he very well may. My only point continues to be that the coaches must see something everyday that is not there and they must see something everyday that Summers does have. These are not stupid men and they don't have these jobs because of a demonstrated lack of ability to evaluate talent. Can we agree on that?

but every GAME we fail on 3rd and 1... I could see if Redman was needed to start at RB..
our short yadage could be our downfall..

we already lost a game and we are starting to look like the Eagles in short yardage.. passing on 3rd and 1..

funny how we and the FO have all these theories why Redman isn't dressing... but until we see Redman in a game we have no idea how he will respond.

It's not theoretical that you have to cut someone from the 53 man roster to sign Redman from the PS. That means cutting someone who the staff thinks is capable of playing in the NFL to give another player a "chance." I'm willing to bet that Redman is getting plenty of "chances" in practice everyday against one of the best defenses in the NFL and I'm pretty certain if he was provided an overwhelming body of evidence that he could produce some moves would be made.

No guarantee that the player cut makes it to the PS.

Who gets cut for Redman?

RuthlessBurgher
09-23-2009, 02:13 PM
Don't misunderstand and assume that I don't think Redman may have a future because he very well may. My only point continues to be that the coaches must see something everyday that is not there and they must see something everyday that Summers does have. These are not stupid men and they don't have these jobs because of a demonstrated lack of ability to evaluate talent. Can we agree on that?

but every GAME we fail on 3rd and 1... I could see if Redman was needed to start at RB..
our short yadage could be our downfall..

we already lost a game and we are starting to look like the Eagles in short yardage.. passing on 3rd and 1..

funny how we and the FO have all these theories why Redman isn't dressing... but until we see Redman in a game we have no idea how he will respond.

It's not theoretical that you have to cut someone from the 53 man roster to sign Redman from the PS. That means cutting someone who the staff thinks is capable of playing in the NFL to give another player a "chance." I'm willing to bet that Redman is getting plenty of "chances" in practice everyday against one of the best defenses in the NFL and I'm pretty certain if he was provided an overwhelming body of evidence that he could produce some moves would be made.

No guarantee that the player cut makes it to the PS.

Who gets cut for Redman?

Summers. I think that is pretty obvious. You aren't going to cut a random o-lineman or a linebacker to make room for Redman. Summers hasn't shown anything so far as a runner, hasn't shown anything so far as a blocking FB, and hasn't shown anything so far on special teams coverage units. He would not be a loss. He was kept over Redman because he potentially could fill more roles than Redman who is essentially a one-trick pony. But since Summers does not appear to be filling any of his potential roles adequately at this point, and we are struggling in the one aspect where Redman could be of service, I think the move could be a worthwhile one. Using D.J. Johnson as the blocking FB instead of Summers would be an improvement.

BradshawsHairdresser
09-24-2009, 12:12 PM
Do you think Redman is a great player and the staff is just deliberately not playing him because they want to struggle? It must be that or they are incompetent and can't see talent watching a player at practice very single day.

I think Tomlin is not so stupid as to have missed the short-yardage ability of Redman, as displayed against first-team NFL defenses both in practices and exhibition games. I think Tomlin doesn't want to bring Redman up until Redman can take on the role of a blocking back and be a significant contributor on special teams as well. I think Tomlin doesn't think a roster spot should be devoted to a player who is only a short-yardage back. I also think Tomlin would understandably be a bit biased toward the guys he drafted, and hoped would be able to do the job of short-yardage back. I think he would naturally give them preference over the undrafted rookie.

Here's my take:
--So far, the Steelers haven't shown that ANY of the backs besides Redman can be
effective in short yardage situations. As other posters have pointed out, they've
been downright PITIFUL in that regard.
--So far, Frank Summers has been just about useless as a blocking back...hard to see
Redman doing any worse than Summers has.
--We need to have a back who can be dependable in short-yardage situations...even if
he is, for now, a one-dimensional player (we've spent roster spots on kickers,
punters, long-snappers, and kick-returners, all of whom are pretty much
one-dimensional).
--All of which leads me to ask, what would be so harmful about giving Redman a
CHANCE to show what he can do as our short-yardage runner?

And what's so bad about putting another starter on special teams, if necessary? James Harrison played STs all last season--it didn't seem to hurt his playing production any.
If we have to have a starter play STs to move Redman up to the active roster, I say, let's go for it. IMO, the best ST players should be playing STs, whether they are starters or not.

Oviedo
09-24-2009, 01:33 PM
Do you think Redman is a great player and the staff is just deliberately not playing him because they want to struggle? It must be that or they are incompetent and can't see talent watching a player at practice very single day.

I think Tomlin is not so stupid as to have missed the short-yardage ability of Redman, as displayed against first-team NFL defenses both in practices and exhibition games. I think Tomlin doesn't want to bring Redman up until Redman can take on the role of a blocking back and be a significant contributor on special teams as well. I think Tomlin doesn't think a roster spot should be devoted to a player who is only a short-yardage back. I also think Tomlin would understandably be a bit biased toward the guys he drafted, and hoped would be able to do the job of short-yardage back. I think he would naturally give them preference over the undrafted rookie.

Here's my take:
--So far, the Steelers haven't shown that ANY of the backs besides Redman can be
effective in short yardage situations. As other posters have pointed out, they've
been downright PITIFUL in that regard.
--So far, Frank Summers has been just about useless as a blocking back...hard to see
Redman doing any worse than Summers has.
--We need to have a back who can be dependable in short-yardage situations...even if
he is, for now, a one-dimensional player (we've spent roster spots on kickers,
punters, long-snappers, and kick-returners, all of whom are pretty much
one-dimensional).
--All of which leads me to ask, what would be so harmful about giving Redman a
CHANCE to show what he can do as our short-yardage runner?

And what's so bad about putting another starter on special teams, if necessary? James Harrison played STs all last season--it didn't seem to hurt his playing production any.
If we have to have a starter play STs to move Redman up to the active roster, I say, let's go for it. IMO, the best ST players should be playing STs, whether they are starters or not.


I can support your thoughts in this matter. Bottomline that I have been making is that Redman is a "one trick pony" and that does not fly with Tomlin if you aren't a starter.

BradshawsHairdresser
09-24-2009, 02:41 PM
Do you think Redman is a great player and the staff is just deliberately not playing him because they want to struggle? It must be that or they are incompetent and can't see talent watching a player at practice very single day.

I think Tomlin is not so stupid as to have missed the short-yardage ability of Redman, as displayed against first-team NFL defenses both in practices and exhibition games. I think Tomlin doesn't want to bring Redman up until Redman can take on the role of a blocking back and be a significant contributor on special teams as well. I think Tomlin doesn't think a roster spot should be devoted to a player who is only a short-yardage back. I also think Tomlin would understandably be a bit biased toward the guys he drafted, and hoped would be able to do the job of short-yardage back. I think he would naturally give them preference over the undrafted rookie.

Here's my take:
--So far, the Steelers haven't shown that ANY of the backs besides Redman can be
effective in short yardage situations. As other posters have pointed out, they've
been downright PITIFUL in that regard.
--So far, Frank Summers has been just about useless as a blocking back...hard to see
Redman doing any worse than Summers has.
--We need to have a back who can be dependable in short-yardage situations...even if
he is, for now, a one-dimensional player (we've spent roster spots on kickers,
punters, long-snappers, and kick-returners, all of whom are pretty much
one-dimensional).
--All of which leads me to ask, what would be so harmful about giving Redman a
CHANCE to show what he can do as our short-yardage runner?

And what's so bad about putting another starter on special teams, if necessary? James Harrison played STs all last season--it didn't seem to hurt his playing production any.
If we have to have a starter play STs to move Redman up to the active roster, I say, let's go for it. IMO, the best ST players should be playing STs, whether they are starters or not.


I can support your thoughts in this matter. Bottomline that I have been making is that Redman is a "one trick pony" and that does not fly with Tomlin if you aren't a starter.

And I think you are correct in that assessment. I just happen to disagree with Tomlin in this matter--when it comes to converting short yardage situations into first downs and goal line situations into touchdowns, a "one trick pony" may be better than no trick at all.

RuthlessBurgher
09-24-2009, 03:09 PM
Do you think Redman is a great player and the staff is just deliberately not playing him because they want to struggle? It must be that or they are incompetent and can't see talent watching a player at practice very single day.

I think Tomlin is not so stupid as to have missed the short-yardage ability of Redman, as displayed against first-team NFL defenses both in practices and exhibition games. I think Tomlin doesn't want to bring Redman up until Redman can take on the role of a blocking back and be a significant contributor on special teams as well. I think Tomlin doesn't think a roster spot should be devoted to a player who is only a short-yardage back. I also think Tomlin would understandably be a bit biased toward the guys he drafted, and hoped would be able to do the job of short-yardage back. I think he would naturally give them preference over the undrafted rookie.

Here's my take:
--So far, the Steelers haven't shown that ANY of the backs besides Redman can be
effective in short yardage situations. As other posters have pointed out, they've
been downright PITIFUL in that regard.
--So far, Frank Summers has been just about useless as a blocking back...hard to see
Redman doing any worse than Summers has.
--We need to have a back who can be dependable in short-yardage situations...even if
he is, for now, a one-dimensional player (we've spent roster spots on kickers,
punters, long-snappers, and kick-returners, all of whom are pretty much
one-dimensional).
--All of which leads me to ask, what would be so harmful about giving Redman a
CHANCE to show what he can do as our short-yardage runner?

And what's so bad about putting another starter on special teams, if necessary? James Harrison played STs all last season--it didn't seem to hurt his playing production any.
If we have to have a starter play STs to move Redman up to the active roster, I say, let's go for it. IMO, the best ST players should be playing STs, whether they are starters or not.


I can support your thoughts in this matter. Bottomline that I have been making is that Redman is a "one trick pony" and that does not fly with Tomlin if you aren't a starter.

And I think you are correct in that assessment. I just happen to disagree with Tomlin in this matter--when it comes to converting short yardage situations into first downs and goal line situations into touchdowns, a "one trick pony" may be better than no trick at all.

:Agree

I'd rather have a guy like Redman that does only one thing (short yardage running) but does it well than have a guy like Summers that can supposedly do three things (blocking as a fullback, special teams, and short yardage running), but is below average in each of them.

Oviedo
09-24-2009, 03:50 PM
Do you think Redman is a great player and the staff is just deliberately not playing him because they want to struggle? It must be that or they are incompetent and can't see talent watching a player at practice very single day.

I think Tomlin is not so stupid as to have missed the short-yardage ability of Redman, as displayed against first-team NFL defenses both in practices and exhibition games. I think Tomlin doesn't want to bring Redman up until Redman can take on the role of a blocking back and be a significant contributor on special teams as well. I think Tomlin doesn't think a roster spot should be devoted to a player who is only a short-yardage back. I also think Tomlin would understandably be a bit biased toward the guys he drafted, and hoped would be able to do the job of short-yardage back. I think he would naturally give them preference over the undrafted rookie.

Here's my take:
--So far, the Steelers haven't shown that ANY of the backs besides Redman can be
effective in short yardage situations. As other posters have pointed out, they've
been downright PITIFUL in that regard.
--So far, Frank Summers has been just about useless as a blocking back...hard to see
Redman doing any worse than Summers has.
--We need to have a back who can be dependable in short-yardage situations...even if
he is, for now, a one-dimensional player (we've spent roster spots on kickers,
punters, long-snappers, and kick-returners, all of whom are pretty much
one-dimensional).
--All of which leads me to ask, what would be so harmful about giving Redman a
CHANCE to show what he can do as our short-yardage runner?

And what's so bad about putting another starter on special teams, if necessary? James Harrison played STs all last season--it didn't seem to hurt his playing production any.
If we have to have a starter play STs to move Redman up to the active roster, I say, let's go for it. IMO, the best ST players should be playing STs, whether they are starters or not.


I can support your thoughts in this matter. Bottomline that I have been making is that Redman is a "one trick pony" and that does not fly with Tomlin if you aren't a starter.

And I think you are correct in that assessment. I just happen to disagree with Tomlin in this matter--when it comes to converting short yardage situations into first downs and goal line situations into touchdowns, a "one trick pony" may be better than no trick at all.

:Agree

I'd rather have a guy like Redman that does only one thing (short yardage running) but does it well than have a guy like Summers that can supposedly do three things (blocking as a fullback, special teams, and short yardage running), but is below average in each of them.

I'm not sure we have enough of a sample size to accurately determine that Summers is "below average."

That is the point I previously made that the coaches are seeing these guys every single day in practice so they do have a sample size to base an assessment on. All the "Redman now" faction can point to are meaningless games that took place almost a month ago.

The coaches have the best and most recent information. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.