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Scarletfire1970
09-14-2009, 11:07 PM
Per Mike and Mike

Where do they get this stuff from?

Never any explanation as to why. Ben is the one who is younger and hasn't played the position as long.

Makes no sense.

Djfan
09-14-2009, 11:12 PM
These people talk more after a big bean burrito. The fact is that someone floated that idea about Rivers being amazing and god, and it worked, so every sports mouth echos it. That's all.

Discipline of Steel
09-14-2009, 11:53 PM
I dont like Rivers or Cutler or Lienart for that matter. Glad they dont have any rings...

Shoe
09-15-2009, 12:46 AM
It's an opinion; wrong as you or I might think... I don't know where the indignity comes from. It's not as if they are comparing David Carr or Tavaris Jackson to Ben or something.

AngryAsian
09-15-2009, 01:10 AM
While they're talking up Rivers' upside... Drew Brees continues to torch numbers up, season after season. Brees was/is a much better qb than Rivers.... I think the San Diego FO will never admit their mistake. Rivers will never have earn a ring for the SD organization.

steelblood
09-15-2009, 07:53 AM
Per Mike and Mike

Where do they get this stuff from?

Never any explanation as to why. Ben is the one who is younger and hasn't played the position as long.

Makes no sense.

Ben may be younger, but he has certainly has more pro experience than Rivers. They were drafted the same year and Ben started as a rookie. So, I don't know if your argument about playing the position as long holds any water.

rpmpit
09-15-2009, 08:32 AM
While they're talking up Rivers' upside... Drew Brees continues to torch numbers up, season after season. Brees was/is a much better qb than Rivers.... I think the San Diego FO will never admit their mistake. Rivers will never have earn a ring for the SD organization.

This exact thought pops into my head every time I hear these media jagoffs talking about how great Rivers is. I still don't think they would have won a SB yet, but I think Brees would have given them a much better shot.

Oviedo
09-15-2009, 08:33 AM
"Higher ceiling" to the pundits equals the ability to pile up huge stats. Also keep in mind that Golic picked the Chargers to be in the Super Bowl so he is just reinforcing his opinion.

Rivers is in an offense that is designed for him to pile up meaningless stats just like Drew Brees.

The reality is Rivers is too much of a head case to win a championship.

Djfan
09-15-2009, 09:15 AM
Brees is much better than Rivers so far, but they are both stats machines so far, as well.

I'll take a QB who has champion deep in his heart. You know him as Ben R.

anger 82&95
09-15-2009, 09:40 AM
Rivers is a talented player, but he obviously lacks maturity, foresight and tact. He talks way too much trash, as exemplified by the recent beat down administered by Woodley. B. Ben rarely, if ever gets riled, and he’s the master of the come from behind victory. Incidentally, why aren’t more of these self-proclaimed “sports experts” recognizing Roethlisberger’s mastery of the pump fake technique? He hooks opposing players, especially DBs, so often that it has become almost comical to watch.

pfelix73
09-15-2009, 09:42 AM
I heard that crapola last night too. Everyone must be in love with Rivers. Is he gay?

So far the score is:

Ben 2
Eli 1
Rivers- A great big fat 0 goose egg.

:tt1

anger 82&95
09-15-2009, 09:48 AM
I heard that crapola last night too. Everyone must be in love with Rivers. Is he gay?

So far the score is:

Ben 2
Eli 1
Rivers- A great big fat 0 goose egg.

:tt1
Allegedly, he was witnessed in the act of clothes shopping with Brady and Quinn.

ikestops85
09-15-2009, 10:01 AM
We have Ben ...


who cares about anyone else

:tt2 :tt2
:tt1 :tt1

Djfan
09-15-2009, 10:03 AM
We have Ben ...


who cares about anyone else

:tt2 :tt2
:tt1 :tt1

You sure know how to shut the others up. Great post!

RuthlessBurgher
09-15-2009, 10:18 AM
I wouldn't put Rivers in my top 5 in the league right now. Ben's better. Brady's better. Peyton's better. Brees is better. I think even Aaron Rodgers is better.

Blitz-en
09-15-2009, 10:51 AM
I heard the commentators say that about Rivers' high ceiling. I just thought he meant to fit his oversized head!!???

Was I wrong? :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
09-15-2009, 11:02 AM
Rivers doesn't need a high ceiling because he throws his passes side-arm. :wink:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/Philip_Rivers_WIDE1112.jpg

pfelix73
09-15-2009, 11:22 AM
Why the heck wouldn't Ben still have 'a high ceiling'?

I mean, Rivers has already peaked, I think, when it comes to stats. 34 TD's in a year is pretty good. He's on a team that always chokes in the post season, so he has that to deal with.

Ben's career started with a running game and they seem to be evolving into a passing game more and more. Remember when the announcers would say he needs to pass around 20 times per game and if he passes more than 30, they will probably lose? Now, it's the opposite. He's gonna have to pass at least 30-35 times per game just to keep us in it.

I would say that Ben has a higher ceiling than Rivers.

:tt1

NWNewell
09-15-2009, 01:22 PM
That was Young. He's never thought much of Ben. He's not the kind of QB Young was. And so if it's not like Young, it's no good. I've never been much of a fan of Young's as a commentator. He's a little to high and mighty on how QB's should play the game. His way was right way kind of attitude.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
09-15-2009, 01:44 PM
Was it last year or the year before that another list of young QBs came out? On that list there was only one QB that was in the top 'elite' level - Jay Cutler. :lol: :lol:

Now it is Rivers who is the best of the young bunch....good for him.

These lists are arbitrarily compiled by random writers who do not watch each team evenly. However, my main question is this:

Philip Rivers has played most of his career to date with the greatest offensive weapon of the last ten years at his disposal. A player who can help out his offense equally with the threat of the run or pass. That same weapon is rapidly deteriorating. How does this help increase a QB's ceiling? :lol: :shock: :roll:

Snatch98
09-15-2009, 02:40 PM
"Higher ceiling" to the pundits equals the ability to pile up huge stats. Also keep in mind that Golic picked the Chargers to be in the Super Bowl so he is just reinforcing his opinion.

Rivers is in an offense that is designed for him to pile up meaningless stats just like Drew Brees.

The reality is Rivers is too much of a head case to win a championship.


Exactly. Ben isn't putting up sexy stats on paper week after week and because of that he falls to the way side when discussing the great QB's in the league. Is Rivers a hall of famer with his current numbers? no. Is Ben on the right path and winning our organization football games? Absolutely. Far too many media outlets weigh in on the pecking order from a fantasy football stand point instead of the "who gets what done" on the field stand point. I'd LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see Big Ben get as much time in the pocket as a few of the other QB's in the league. He'd win us games, put up the sexy numbers that don't matter as long as we're winning and finally shut up the "number junkies" in the media.

I'd say we're all hardened at this point as fans. We know what Ben can do and whether or not this sort of sh.it gets under our skin we can just sit back and look at the 6 lombardi's two of which Ben earned and laugh at the dumb a$$es we have to listen to in the media every day.

spyboots
09-15-2009, 04:57 PM
They can have the stats; we'll take the W's and the rings.

Scarletfire1970
09-15-2009, 06:28 PM
Per Mike and Mike

Where do they get this stuff from?

Never any explanation as to why. Ben is the one who is younger and hasn't played the position as long.

Makes no sense.

Ben may be younger, but he has certainly has more pro experience than Rivers. They were drafted the same year and Ben started as a rookie. So, I don't know if your argument about playing the position as long holds any water.What I meant by that was, Ben only played QB as a senior in highschool and then 3 years of college. That's it. I thought I had read he was going to be the least NFL ready of the 3.

papillon
09-15-2009, 09:44 PM
The media determines who the elite quarterbacks are and which aren't. Here's some examples: Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Rick Mirer, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith and there are others. The media and Mel Kiper hyped these guys into high draft selections and after that all the teams that drafted them had to ensure that they weren't that good before letting them go.

It's ridiculous, that these players get hyped, sign large contracts and then can't play a lick. The team that drafted has to keep trying to win with them, because, they paid a king's ransom to sign these guys. Teams realize they suck after two years, but have to keep them around based on the cap hit. They keep getting chances to perform and can't.

Another huge failure is Alex Smith that the 49ers drafted number or number two. How on God's green earth can you watch tape of this guy and determine that he's a number one pick? The media and Mel Kiper that's how.

It's sickening and then a guy like Ben actually performs at a high level and we have to listen to the media try to support their idiotic claims about quarterbacks that are doing nothing. It gets tiresome after awhile listening to these knuckleheads.

Let me add this while I'm ranting...talk to me when mother f'ing Rivers wins an important game, let alone two Super Bowls. Then talk to me about the ceiling, f'ing idiots.

Pappy

papillon
09-15-2009, 09:51 PM
"Higher ceiling" to the pundits equals the ability to pile up huge stats. Also keep in mind that Golic picked the Chargers to be in the Super Bowl so he is just reinforcing his opinion.

Rivers is in an offense that is designed for him to pile up meaningless stats just like Drew Brees.

The reality is Rivers is too much of a head case to win a championship.


Exactly. Ben isn't putting up sexy stats on paper week after week and because of that he falls to the way side when discussing the great QB's in the league. Is Rivers a hall of famer with his current numbers? no. Is Ben on the right path and winning our organization football games? Absolutely. Far too many media outlets weigh in on the pecking order from a fantasy football stand point instead of the "who gets what done" on the field stand point. I'd LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see Big Ben get as much time in the pocket as a few of the other QB's in the league. He'd win us games, put up the sexy numbers that don't matter as long as we're winning and finally shut up the "number junkies" in the media.

I'd say we're all hardened at this point as fans. We know what Ben can do and whether or not this sort of sh.it gets under our skin we can just sit back and look at the 6 lombardi's two of which Ben earned and laugh at the dumb a$$es we have to listen to in the media every day.

If Ben had as much time in the pocket as some of the QBs in this league, he'd be wearing a baseball hat by the middle of the third quarter in most games.

Pappy

aggiebones
09-16-2009, 12:33 PM
I don't see how he has a higher ceiling.
He's had more talented offenses around him already and did less.

He's not a prototypical thrower. He can get better, but he's not stronger, faster or more accurate than Ben. I think the difference is that ben doesn't need to be behind the best OLine in football to succeed. Nor does he need the best WRs or best running game. For Phillips, he clearly needs alot more help to reach his 'ceiling.'

JTP53609
09-16-2009, 12:52 PM
i guess it is much more impressive to lead the league in passer rating than it is to have 2 super bowls....