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costanza2k1
06-01-2009, 07:32 PM
Just for kicks, note that a majority of our draft picks make the roster according to him...not bad at all:


Monday, June 01, 2009
An early, early, early look at the 53-man roster
OK, you asked for it, so here it is, an early, early, early look at the 53-man roster.

QB (3): Ben Roethlisberger, Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon. No explanation needed here.

RB (5): Willie Parker, Mewelde Moore, Rashard Mendenhall, Frank Summers, Carey Davis. Davis makes it on his ability to play special teams.

WR (5): Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Shaun McDonald, Limas Sweed, Mike Wallace. Sorry Dallas Baker. You're not making this club. McDonald beats out Brandon Williams.

TE (3): Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, Sean McHugh. No surprises here. David Johnson goes to the practice squad.

OL (10): Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, Wilie Colon, Trai Essex, Tony Hills, Ramon Foster, Kraig Urbik, A.Q. Shipley. Just a hunch here between Foster and Capizzi, but they won't want to risk putting Foster on the practice squad.

DL (7): Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, Brett Keisel, Chris Hoke, Ziggy Hood, Travis Kirschke, Nick Eason. Again, no real surprises here.

LB (8): James Harrison, James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons, LaMarr Woodley, Bruce Davis, Patrick Bailey, Keyaron Fox, Donovan Woods. Woods is kind of the surprise here. I think he sticks because he can play inside, even though they currently list him as an outside guy. Bruce Davis needs to have a good camp. Bailey is a very good special teams player as is Fox. Fox will be the top backup inside.

DB (9): Ike Taylor, William Gay, Ryan Clark, Troy Polamalu, Deshea Townsend, Keiwan Ratliff, Joe Burnett, Keenan Lewis, Ryan Mundy. This is a tough position to call. I see Tyrone Carter as the odd man out right now, with Deshea Townsend making the move to a safety/corner position.

Specialists (3): Jeff Reed, Daniel Sepulveda, Greg Warren.
Posted by Dale Lolley at 11:21 AM

RuthlessBurgher
06-01-2009, 08:50 PM
I think Lolley is pretty close to spot on. One obvious move I'd make, though.

Dump Carey Davis and keep Roy Lewis. Since Summers can play fullback as well as short-yardage RB and McHugh can play fullback as well as 3rd TE, there is no need for Davis. He is not that good of a special teams player.

Behind Troy and Clark, the only true backup safety is Mundy (and since Clark will not be able to make the trip to Denver, we need safety depth). Sure, Deshea has been getting some work in at safety, and I'm sure they will teach the rookie CB's to play some safety in nickel and dime packages if need be, but I think, with a year in the system now under his belt, that Lewis is ready to emerge as yet another UDFA find for us. He can fill Davis' role on special teams as well.

phillyesq
06-01-2009, 09:07 PM
I looked at this earlier, and there are going to be some tough decisions. Semi-notable exclusions off the top of my head are Anthony Madison, Ty Carter, Roy Lewis, Sonny Harris, Arnold Harrison, and Andre Frazier. Should be good competition at LB and in the secondary.

Also, looking at this, Logan will have a real hard time making the team.

Oviedo
06-01-2009, 09:40 PM
I think Lolley is pretty close to spot on. One obvious move I'd make, though.

Dump Carey Davis and keep Roy Lewis. Since Summers can play fullback as well as short-yardage RB and McHugh can play fullback as well as 3rd TE, there is no need for Davis. He is not that good of a special teams player.

Behind Troy and Clark, the only true backup safety is Mundy (and since Clark will not be able to make the trip to Denver, we need safety depth). Sure, Deshea has been getting some work in at safety, and I'm sure they will teach the rookie CB's to play some safety in nickel and dime packages if need be, but I think, with a year in the system now under his belt, that Lewis is ready to emerge as yet another UDFA find for us. He can fill Davis' role on special teams as well.

I agree. Having Roy Lewis would be a bigger benefit that Davis particularly given that McHugh can provide a veteran presence at FB.

The only other player I can see making it is Sonny Harris over Nick Eason however right now you would have to project they go with the vet.

RuthlessBurgher
06-01-2009, 09:49 PM
I think Lolley is pretty close to spot on. One obvious move I'd make, though.

Dump Carey Davis and keep Roy Lewis. Since Summers can play fullback as well as short-yardage RB and McHugh can play fullback as well as 3rd TE, there is no need for Davis. He is not that good of a special teams player.

Behind Troy and Clark, the only true backup safety is Mundy (and since Clark will not be able to make the trip to Denver, we need safety depth). Sure, Deshea has been getting some work in at safety, and I'm sure they will teach the rookie CB's to play some safety in nickel and dime packages if need be, but I think, with a year in the system now under his belt, that Lewis is ready to emerge as yet another UDFA find for us. He can fill Davis' role on special teams as well.

I agree. Having Roy Lewis would be a bigger benefit that Davis particularly given that McHugh can provide a veteran presence at FB.

The only other player I can see making it is Sonny Harris over Nick Eason however right now you would have to project they go with the vet.

Yeah, I think Sonny Harris and David Johnson are the two rookies who end up on the practice squad (perhaps Shipley as well if Legursky beats him out, but the team may fear another Hank Fraley practice squad poach scenario with A.Q. that could keep him on the roster if he shows what the PSU homers think he can do at camp).

steelblood
06-02-2009, 09:53 AM
I think either Arnold Harrison or Tyrone Carter will make this roster over a younger player because they have vet savvy and starting experience.

Oviedo
06-02-2009, 10:05 AM
I think Lolley is pretty close to spot on. One obvious move I'd make, though.

Dump Carey Davis and keep Roy Lewis. Since Summers can play fullback as well as short-yardage RB and McHugh can play fullback as well as 3rd TE, there is no need for Davis. He is not that good of a special teams player.

Behind Troy and Clark, the only true backup safety is Mundy (and since Clark will not be able to make the trip to Denver, we need safety depth). Sure, Deshea has been getting some work in at safety, and I'm sure they will teach the rookie CB's to play some safety in nickel and dime packages if need be, but I think, with a year in the system now under his belt, that Lewis is ready to emerge as yet another UDFA find for us. He can fill Davis' role on special teams as well.

I agree. Having Roy Lewis would be a bigger benefit that Davis particularly given that McHugh can provide a veteran presence at FB.

The only other player I can see making it is Sonny Harris over Nick Eason however right now you would have to project they go with the vet.

Yeah, I think Sonny Harris and David Johnson are the two rookies who end up on the practice squad (perhaps Shipley as well if Legursky beats him out, but the team may fear another Hank Fraley practice squad poach scenario with A.Q. that could keep him on the roster if he shows what the PSU homers think he can do at camp).

I don't see Shipley being risked on the Practice Squad if he shows the ability to play at this level for the same reason you mention. I think it is far more possible that Legursky ends up back on the PS unless he just proves to be head and shoulders above Shipley and Stapleton.

What will be intersting how they project the position flexibility of the players. For example:

Stapleton, Hartwig and possibly Legursky can play both Center and Guard. Urbik can play Guard and in an emergency RT. Shipley is probably a pure Center. I think the interesting wildcard is Ramon Foster. If he can play both RT and Guard then I think you have the luxury of carrying Shipley as a pure Center. IMO we seem to be interior OL heavy with lots of options and probably not as deep on the outside which I think helps Capizzi.

It will be interesting to see where they project the different players can play.

Slapstick
06-02-2009, 10:07 AM
I could live with that 53-man roster...

FWIW, I think that Ryan Clark might be able to make the trip to Denver...now that his spleen has been removed...but, I could very well be wrong...

Oviedo
06-02-2009, 10:15 AM
I could live with that 53-man roster...

FWIW, I think that Ryan Clark might be able to make the trip to Denver...now that his spleen has been removed...but, I could very well be wrong...

That was a topic on the board several months ago and I think a couple of our medical experts did respond and said that since the spleen was removed the problem with the blood was also removed since it originated in the spleen. However if I were Clark I would be developing some serious ulcers and having many sleepless nights as that game approached.

Oviedo
06-02-2009, 10:18 AM
I think either Arnold Harrison or Tyrone Carter will make this roster over a younger player because they have vet savvy and starting experience.

I would agree if Cowher was the coach. I think younger players have a better chance under Tomlin to make the team. If Carter is fighting against Mundy and Lewis remember that both of them have had a year in the system. That helps alot.

RuthlessBurgher
06-02-2009, 10:19 AM
I could live with that 53-man roster...

FWIW, I think that Ryan Clark might be able to make the trip to Denver...now that his spleen has been removed...but, I could very well be wrong...

After what the combination of the altitude and the sickle cell trait did to his spleen and gall bladder, I wouldn't risk other potential complications. I'm not a doctor, so I don't know exactly what the risk factors would be, but I certainly wouldn't want to risk any damage to his liver or kidneys, for instance (again, I have no idea if that is a realistic concern...we'll see what the team doctors have to say about it).

True Fan
06-02-2009, 10:30 AM
there is no way that many rookies make the roster

Oviedo
06-02-2009, 10:41 AM
there is no way that many rookies make the roster

QB-no rookies
RB-Summer will make the roster
WR-Wallace will make the roster
OL-Urbik is in for sure, Foster is a real possibility too
DL-Hood is in
LB-no rookies
DB-Lewis and Burnett will both make it, the latter because of his return abilities and position abilities.

That is 6 rookies with a possibility for a 7th if Foster makes it. That is very likely when you look at the positions those rookies play and the players who left.

This is Tomlin's team not Cowher's where seniority gave you the benefit of the doubt and you got to hang around even if it was clear you would never get better.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-02-2009, 12:55 PM
Just for kicks, note that a majority of our draft picks make the roster according to him...not bad at all:


Monday, June 01, 2009
An early, early, early look at the 53-man roster
OK, you asked for it, so here it is, an early, early, early look at the 53-man roster.

QB (3): Ben Roethlisberger, Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon. No explanation needed here.

RB (5): Willie Parker, Mewelde Moore, Rashard Mendenhall, Frank Summers, Carey Davis. Davis makes it on his ability to play special teams.

WR (5): Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Shaun McDonald, Limas Sweed, Mike Wallace. Sorry Dallas Baker. You're not making this club. McDonald beats out Brandon Williams.

TE (3): Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, Sean McHugh. No surprises here. David Johnson goes to the practice squad.

OL (10): Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, Wilie Colon, Trai Essex, Tony Hills, Ramon Foster, Kraig Urbik, A.Q. Shipley. Just a hunch here between Foster and Capizzi, but they won't want to risk putting Foster on the practice squad.

DL (7): Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, Brett Keisel, Chris Hoke, Ziggy Hood, Travis Kirschke, Nick Eason. Again, no real surprises here.

LB (8): James Harrison, James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons, LaMarr Woodley, Bruce Davis, Patrick Bailey, Keyaron Fox, Donovan Woods. Woods is kind of the surprise here. I think he sticks because he can play inside, even though they currently list him as an outside guy. Bruce Davis needs to have a good camp. Bailey is a very good special teams player as is Fox. Fox will be the top backup inside.

DB (9): Ike Taylor, William Gay, Ryan Clark, Troy Polamalu, Deshea Townsend, Keiwan Ratliff, Joe Burnett, Keenan Lewis, Ryan Mundy. This is a tough position to call. I see Tyrone Carter as the odd man out right now, with Deshea Townsend making the move to a safety/corner position.

Specialists (3): Jeff Reed, Daniel Sepulveda, Greg Warren.
Posted by Dale Lolley at 11:21 AM


I actually already did my first crack at the 53 and this one is close to mine. I had C Davis off the roster. I'm thinking his ability on ST won't be enough to keep him on with Summers abilty to do the same. I had Capizzi on with Foster to the PS. However, this Foster kid is getting noticed early. If it continues when they throw on the pads, Capizzi might end up head-to-head with him. I think Capizzi is a better RT than Foster but Foster could be a better RG than Capizzi. Foster could add some excitement to these young OL battles. The Legursky-Shipley battle will be another one to watch. I don't think either will survive on the PS with any showing in the Pre-season. It would be nice to keep both but I don't think that will happen unless Shipley can beat out Warren in LS & coverage. The best we could hope for is that one of the 2 just play "lights out" better than Hartwig and both of these young prospects make the roster. I don't see the Steelers going into the season with a rookie or 1st year player starting at C so that would mean someone else would have to go. The spot created by C Davis went to R Lewis as the other FS. I also had Kirschke off as a salary cap move and Frazier on the roster. I felt Hood would show enough to move into the rotation early and allow the Steelers to release Kirschke to save some money. Frazier was the top back-up last year at ROLB. I expect B Davis to show enough to dress and possibly take that spot away as he "should" start to see the field in pass rush situations by mid season. When that happens, Frazier could become inactive. But until Davis takes that spot I think Frazier is the #3 on the roster.

Oracle
06-02-2009, 01:58 PM
the two situations that make things very interesting are:

Center - If Shipley could long snap anywhere near adequately we can probably save a roster spot there. Warren had that major knee injury that has to effect somewhat both his speed on coverage and anchoring against the bull rush. Shipley is said to be very quick for a center and solid against the rush.

D-Line - I don't know that I'm sold on Nick Eason. I'm not saying Sonny Harris is better, I'm just saying that I don't ever see Eason as a starter and he's fairly one dimensional as a back up. Harris supposedly looks really fast on special teams. If a starting DE goes down we will have Kirshke and Hood as back ups and Hoke could probably slide outside in a pinch. How badly do we really need Eason?

phillyesq
06-02-2009, 06:33 PM
the two situations that make things very interesting are:

Center - If Shipley could long snap anywhere near adequately we can probably save a roster spot there. Warren had that major knee injury that has to effect somewhat both his speed on coverage and anchoring against the bull rush. Shipley is said to be very quick for a center and solid against the rush.

D-Line - I don't know that I'm sold on Nick Eason. I'm not saying Sonny Harris is better, I'm just saying that I don't ever see Eason as a starter and he's fairly one dimensional as a back up. Harris supposedly looks really fast on special teams. If a starting DE goes down we will have Kirshke and Hood as back ups and Hoke could probably slide outside in a pinch. How badly do we really need Eason?

The Eason/Harris battle should be an interesting one. The wildcard in this one is Kirshke. He plays very well when called upon, but he is getting up in years and has had some health issues. I'm not sure that Eason brings much to the table, but he played better last year, and is the only veteran under 30 with experience.

Its nice to see that there should be a lot of competition at most spots. In particular, there should be good battles among the reserves on the OLine, Dline, Secondary and LBers.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
06-03-2009, 10:09 AM
D-Line - I don't know that I'm sold on Nick Eason. I'm not saying Sonny Harris is better, I'm just saying that I don't ever see Eason as a starter and he's fairly one dimensional as a back up. Harris supposedly looks really fast on special teams. If a starting DE goes down we will have Kirshke and Hood as back ups and Hoke could probably slide outside in a pinch. How badly do we really need Eason?

If you remember back to last year, we had situations in the middle of the year that both Eason and Kirschke were called upon to get some playing time. Keisel missed 6 starts, and Smith was going through that tough emotional situation with his son. Both Eason and Kirscke filled in admirably when called upon, and while Kirschke has performed at a higher level, Eason is both younger and cheaper, and that is what it may come down to.

If Hood looks as good with pads on as he has in shorts, I would not be surprised to see the 35 (by the time the season starts) year old Travis Kirschke being asked to retire. We save his $1.15M salary and the 29 year old Eason with his $620K salary battles with Ziggy for the #1 DE rotation backup position.