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D Rock
05-05-2009, 03:11 PM
Probably just you here Ruthless, but what are your thoughts to this point?

RuthlessBurgher
05-06-2009, 01:53 PM
It would have been nice to take at least one of the games in Washington, but a series is not a series until a home team loses. If we hold serve tonight and Friday, then we are tied heading back to D.C., so I am not overly worried just yet.

Crosby and Ovechkin are certainly putting on a show. You hate to see us waste a hat trick like that. Coming into the series, I thought that Malkin would be the x-factor, because he had a better regular season than both Sid and Alex, but the media attention is focused solely on 87 & 8, with the winner of the Art Ross Trophy somehow just an afterthought. Well, Geno has to step it up and step it up big time. I expect 2 goals from him tonight.

We also need some secondary scoring for some of our role players. While the contributions of Crosby and Ovechkin have been basically cancelling each other out so far, the difference has been guys like Steckel and Fleishmann. We need guys like Kennedy and Talbot to do something similar in Pittsburgh now.

The difference in this series should be Fleury vs. Varlamov. It is amazing that coming into this series, their goalie had as many appearances in the first round playoff series against the Rangers (6) as he had appearances in his entire NHL career in the regular season (6). With the amount of firepower we should be able to generate, we should be able to crack this inexperienced kid. He cannot come up with insane lucky saves like the one on Crosby every night.

I say the offensive floodgates open for us tonight and we win 6-3 and then 5-2 on Friday. I predict that of those 11 goals between those two games, we see goals spread out among Crosby, Guerin, Kunitz, Fedotenko, Staal, Kennedy, Gonchar, and Letang...and three by Malkin who finally turns it on on home ice.

Jigawatts
05-06-2009, 02:11 PM
A few quick comments:

Are the penguins players afraid of the presence of Ovechkin? It seems like they're
almost star struck and let him do whatever he wants.

Where the hell is Malkin?

It seems that Fleury is being outplayed by Varlamov. I think you're right Ruthless. His
luck runs out tonight and the floodgates open.

D Rock
05-06-2009, 04:23 PM
Certainly Malkin needs to step up. I'm also very concerned with what's going on with Kunitz though.

During the Flyers series he was a physical presence every time he stepped on the ice. This series the only thing I can remember him doing was dishing Crosby on that shot he got robbed on. Kunitz and Guerin were both big down the stretch, and they both need to reappear starting tonight for the Pens to win this series.

Another thing that bothers me is that the Pens seem to shut teams down all night long as far as just getting routine shots off. Then BAM! They give up a golden scoring opportunity that the other team always seems to capitalize on. It's as if they dominate all game except for a total of 30 seconds, but they give up 3 goals during that 30 seconds and lose because of it if their opponents can hold them to 3 or less goals.

Jigawatts
05-07-2009, 01:00 PM
Not only did Malkin wake up, he took his game to a whole new level.

Still, after the Caps tied it up I had a bad Tommiesteel like feeling about the game.
The Pens threw everything they had at Varlamov and couldn't sneak one in.

And of all people to get the goal... Kris Letang. He played a horrible game but came
through.

How's your ulcer Ruthless? :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
05-07-2009, 01:47 PM
Not only did Malkin wake up, he took his game to a whole new level.

Still, after the Caps tied it up I had a bad Tommiesteel like feeling about the game.
The Pens threw everything they had at Varlamov and couldn't sneak one in.

And of all people to get the goal... Kris Letang. He played a horrible game but came
through.

How's your ulcer Ruthless? :lol:

Malkin was a man possessed last night. Ovechkin may be a force of nature, but when Geno turns it on, he can do things with the puck that Alex can only dream about.

Ovechkin is the hockey equivalent of a chucker in basketball. In order to get his 56 goals in the regular season, he needed 528 shots on goal. The next most shots on goal in the league was 372 by Eric Staal. How ridiculous is it that there is a 156 shot difference from first place to second place?

By the way, Malkin had 290 shots on goal in the regular season, and Crosby had 238. Add those numbers up. It's 528. Yup...Ovechkin took as many shots as Crosby and Malkin combined. They got 68 goals out of their 528 shots. Plus they each had over 70 assists...both of them had twice as many assists as they had goals, meaning that they make the players around them better. Ovechkin had more goals than assists, meaning that he is a puck-hog.

I really thought that something was really wrong with Letang. He was hurt at the end of game two and was a game time decision regarding whether he would be able to play. Then on every power play, it seemed like he could not take a pass cleanly. I thought that they should get him out of there (but then he scores the game winning goal, so what do I know?)

RuthlessBurgher
05-07-2009, 03:26 PM
How weird is it that the Pittsburgh Penguins are playing the Washington Capitals in the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs at the same time as Pittsburgh's AHL affiliate, the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins, are playing Washington's AHL affiliate, the Hershey Bears, in the second round of the Calder Cup playoffs?

And how weird is it that both Penguin teams lost the first two games of the series on the road before winning last night on home ice, with both games going into overtime and both ending up as 3-2 Penguin victories to pull each series to two games to one?

I have season tickets to the WB/S Pens, but I have only been to one playoff game so far (the first round clincher against Bridgeport). The people who schedule these things are stupid. There are three games scheduled in Wilkes-Barre in this series against Hershey. The first was last night, the second is tomorrow, and the third is Saturday, all at 7:05 p.m. Guess which other two teams are scheduled to play on Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday night of this week? I would love to go to these AHL playoff games, but these morons should realize that fans of Wilkes-Barre/Scranton and Hershey are bound to be fans of Pittsburgh and Washington as well (at least the majority of them are), so why would we pay for tickets and gas to attend an AHL playoff game when there is an NHL game featuring our favorite team in the Stanley Cup playoffs that we care about more and can watch for free from our own comfy couch?

My father and I thought about going to the games in Wilkes-Barre this weekend while recording the Pens-Cap game on the DVR to watch at home later. However, the idiots that operate the scoreboard in Wilkes-Barre always show the score of the Pittsburgh game whenever Pittsburgh is winning (they flash the score so the crowd will cheer when they see that Pittsburgh is winning, so they think we like that). When we make it through most of the game and they haven't shown the Pittsburgh score at all yet, then we can reasonably assume that Pittsburgh is losing, because they only tend to show the score when Pittsburgh is winning in order to get a nice cheer from the crowd. So when they show the score of a game we are recording, we are ticked off because we want to watch the game at home without knowing the score in advance (I hate that with a passion). And when they don't show the score of the game, we are ticked even more because then we know we are losing. It's a lose-lose situation, which is why I will not be attending an AHL playoff game during this series, in spite of the fact that I will be free both nights since my wife and kids will be out on Long Island to visit her sister for the weekend. Thanks for allowing me to vent some frustrations at no one in particular. :evil:

buckeyehoppy
05-07-2009, 04:54 PM
I can see this series going all seven with every game being decided by a single goal.

Varlamov has been a revelation for the Craps. He has been absolutely filthy and is head and shoulders above MAF right now. I'm not so sure that the Pens will be able to get anything past him just using conventional force. Passing, playmaking and a sturdy resolve on set plays (faceoffs and odd-man rushes) will have to be ramped up if the Pens plan on breaking Varlamov's shell. Get him off balance...which is something effective passing does...and he could be cracked that way.

BTW, RB, that is an excellent point about Ovechkin...the guy is simply a sniper and, quite frankly, is getting away with murder because the Pens blue line is allowing him too much space. He alone killed the Pens in Game 2 because he was virtually unchecked on the PP.

And that's another point...the Pens' ST have been too brutal to this point to inspire much confidence going forward. The team simply needs to check down on Ovechkin harder on the PP than what they are doing now. And I don't know about you, but Orpik seems to have disappeared and the rest of the D hasn't picked up the slack. Gonchar, Gill and the rest of the blue liners simply need to ratchet their game a lot tighter than they have it now.

Crosby is doing his thing, and doing it very well. Getting consistent production from Malkin will help, but I think his play last night is a good indicator that whatever they worked on during the off-day paid off. It would be great to see Cookie or TK step in and cause some problems on the Pens attack.

buckeyehoppy
05-07-2009, 05:24 PM
BTW, RB, just why are the Calder Cup playoffs this long? You'd think they were the NHL with the way they govern their schedule. I would love to see the AHL broken up into two or three smaller leagues (like minor league baseball), with a shortened schedule, shortened playoff structure and tightened travel boundaries.

As it's constituted now, the Calder Cup playoffs are as long as the Stanley Cup playoffs...for a MINOR LEAGUE! :wft

The NHL needs to curb their feeder league a bit and dictate the schedule to favor the development of players for the parent clubs and not simply to elongate the schedule to help fill dates for the league's arenas and cities.

Jigawatts
05-08-2009, 12:41 PM
How weird is it that the Pittsburgh Penguins are playing the Washington Capitals in the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs at the same time as Pittsburgh's AHL affiliate, the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins, are playing Washington's AHL affiliate, the Hershey Bears, in the second round of the Calder Cup playoffs?

And how weird is it that both Penguin teams lost the first two games of the series on the road before winning last night on home ice, with both games going into overtime and both ending up as 3-2 Penguin victories to pull each series to two games to one?

I have season tickets to the WB/S Pens, but I have only been to one playoff game so far (the first round clincher against Bridgeport). The people who schedule these things are stupid. There are three games scheduled in Wilkes-Barre in this series against Hershey. The first was last night, the second is tomorrow, and the third is Saturday, all at 7:05 p.m. Guess which other two teams are scheduled to play on Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday night of this week? I would love to go to these AHL playoff games, but these morons should realize that fans of Wilkes-Barre/Scranton and Hershey are bound to be fans of Pittsburgh and Washington as well (at least the majority of them are), so why would we pay for tickets and gas to attend an AHL playoff game when there is an NHL game featuring our favorite team in the Stanley Cup playoffs that we care about more and can watch for free from our own comfy couch?

My father and I thought about going to the games in Wilkes-Barre this weekend while recording the Pens-Cap game on the DVR to watch at home later. However, the idiots that operate the scoreboard in Wilkes-Barre always show the score of the Pittsburgh game whenever Pittsburgh is winning (they flash the score so the crowd will cheer when they see that Pittsburgh is winning, so they think we like that). When we make it through most of the game and they haven't shown the Pittsburgh score at all yet, then we can reasonably assume that Pittsburgh is losing, because they only tend to show the score when Pittsburgh is winning in order to get a nice cheer from the crowd. So when they show the score of a game we are recording, we are ticked off because we want to watch the game at home without knowing the score in advance (I hate that with a passion). And when they don't show the score of the game, we are ticked even more because then we know we are losing. It's a lose-lose situation, which is why I will not be attending an AHL playoff game during this series, in spite of the fact that I will be free both nights since my wife and kids will be out on Long Island to visit her sister for the weekend. Thanks for allowing me to vent some frustrations at no one in particular. :evil:

Stop whining.

http://www.videodetective.com/photos/033/001393_35.jpg

Just kidding. :lol:

I guess they didn't use any common sense when they scheduled those games. :roll:

Jigawatts
05-08-2009, 03:14 PM
Severe thunderstorms are expected in Atlanta tonight. I hope they don't lose the FSN
feed again. :HeadBanger

The last time that happened the game was also being broadcast on Versus. But since
I have FSN Pittsburgh they black it out on Versus.

You think that when you lose a feed for a PLAYOFF game that Direct TV could show it
on Versus.

Discipline of Steel
05-10-2009, 08:12 AM
Talk about pressure in OT last night! Malkins goal puts the pressure on W to win 2 in a row, one at the Igloo. I think we close it out Monday at home, we are the deeper team and have 2 superstars.

So when do they start showing every game on regular TV? Wasnt it the Conf Championships last year?

Jigawatts
05-10-2009, 11:05 AM
So when do they start showing every game on regular TV? Wasnt it the Conf Championships last year?

Not sure DoS, but I think it was just the finals.

RuthlessBurgher
05-11-2009, 02:35 PM
Once per series, I expect Marc-Andre Fleury to stand on his head and steal a game, simply not allowing the other team to win no matter how hard they may try. He did that in game 4 against the Flyers with 45 saves in a 3-1 victory, but it hasn't happened in this series yet. I can see him shutting down the Caps tonight in a series clinching victory on home ice. Tonight, Fleury's big-game experience shines through, and Varlamov's inexperience dooms the Caps.

Discipline of Steel
05-11-2009, 04:51 PM
I wish, I wish, I wish I could watch it.

Jigawatts
05-12-2009, 02:37 PM
Wasn't that a kick in the head?

I'm not too confident in the Pens winning game 7 in Washington after that momentum shift.

RuthlessBurgher
05-12-2009, 04:10 PM
Wasn't that a kick in the head?

I'm not too confident in the Pens winning game 7 in Washington after that momentum shift.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/29/boottothehe128565806344765603.jpg

I don't see it as a momentum shift. We dominated play for the vast majority of the game (particularly in the first and third periods), but we have to start taking advantage of more of our scoring opportunities, and Fleury has to shut the door like a true franchise goalie should be able to do.

We have outshot Washington in every game of this series (total SOG 227-161) but have scored 21 goals to their 20. How can we get off 66 more shots than them, but only score one more goal? Our goalie, with all of his playoff experience, is allowing the Caps to score on 12.4% of their shots on goal, while their rookie goalie is holding us to 9.25% shooting. This series has come down to one game, and it is up to Fleury to step up and take the game. Shut the Washington fans up.

By the way, nice job making this the first NHL thread to reach page 2, folks (and D Rock thought it would only be me posting on this thread). Now, I can only hope that my thread of Mike Lange quotes to recap each of the 16 wins we need to take the Cup can make it to a second page.

RuthlessBurgher
05-13-2009, 12:21 PM
I read where the games in this series have been tied or within one goal of each other for 92% of the time. Tonight, I think we put an end to that and give ourselves a bit of a cushion, finally. I think the hard-working third line of Staal, Kennedy, and Cooke contribute for two first period goals and we also get another on the power play (I'd love to see Gonchar be able to play in game 7 and score on a big slapper from the point), putting us up 3-0 after one. I think things could get a bit nasty after that, with a fight possible (even though Brashear and Godard are unlikely to dress). The Caps may score a goal or two after that, but so do we...I'm looking at a final in the neighborhood of 5-2, allowing us to advance to the next round, facing either the Bruins or Canes, who will have their own game 7 showdown tomorrow.

Jigawatts
05-13-2009, 02:50 PM
We have outshot Washington in every game of this series (total SOG 227-161) but have scored 21 goals to their 20. How can we get off 66 more shots than them, but only score one more goal?

And that's what's so discouraging. The Pens have thrown everything at this kid and he
continues to make some unbelievable saves. Sometimes horseshoes win over skill, but
I'm hoping his luck runs out tonight.

And M.A.F., he needs to play lights out. Don't let anything get by.

Even though Sarge skated yesterday, word is he won't play. At least that's what Madden
said in yesterdays show. I'll post later if he gives anymore updates today. Usually he
seems to have the inside information.

Discipline of Steel
05-13-2009, 10:32 PM
We have outshot Washington in every game of this series (total SOG 227-161) but have scored 21 goals to their 20. How can we get off 66 more shots than them, but only score one more goal?

And that's what's so discouraging. The Pens have thrown everything at this kid and he
continues to make some unbelievable saves. Sometimes horseshoes win over skill, but
I'm hoping his luck runs out tonight.

And M.A.F., he needs to play lights out. Don't let anything get by.

Even though Sarge skated yesterday, word is he won't play. At least that's what Madden
said in yesterdays show. I'll post later if he gives anymore updates today. Usually he
seems to have the inside information.

Yes indeed, did the kid's luck run out tonight. Perfect timing. Now we can sit back and root for Detroit to lose. (even though they are my second team, Im from Michigan)

RuthlessBurgher
05-14-2009, 10:17 AM
Great game by the Pens. If they play like that, they could beat anyone. Fleury's huge save on the Ovechkin breakaway set the tone, then 2 quick goals shortly thereafter, and another 2 quick goals early in the second that chased Varlamov, virtually shutting the door on the Caps. This could be the start of something really special, along the lines of the late 70's Habs, early 80's Islanders, or mid 80's Oilers.

Although it would be satisfying to see the Red Wings lose (the Ducks advancing keeps the possibility of getting home ice in the Stanley Cup Finals, and could set up Whitney and Kunitz facing their former teams with the biggest prize on the line). On the other hand, it would be mighty satisfying to have a re-match with the Wings in the finals, and shoving it in Hossa's face when we beat them this time.

First things first, though, and I will be rooting for the Canes to knock off the Bruins so that we have home ice advantage in the Eastern Conference Finals, plus the Staal vs. Staal match-up, Fleury vs. Ward, the memory of Brooks Orpik breaking Erik Cole's neck, etc. I don't fear the Bruins by any means, but I like the storylines with the Canes better (Cowher will not crank that alarm thingee in Carolina when the Pens visit) and would certainly prefer to have home ice advantage whenever possible.

Discipline of Steel
05-15-2009, 07:17 PM
Although it would be satisfying to see the Red Wings lose (the Ducks advancing keeps the possibility of getting home ice in the Stanley Cup Finals, and could set up Whitney and Kunitz facing their former teams with the biggest prize on the line). On the other hand, it would be mighty satisfying to have a re-match with the Wings in the finals, and shoving it in Hossa's face when we beat them this time.



True, but first things first. The Pens need to bring home Lord Stanley's Cup. I think I would prefer to see Chicago over Detroit in the finals for just that reason.