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Flasteel
04-26-2009, 05:26 PM
Our 6th rounder seems a little light in the pants to be a solid NT in the 3-4. Not much pass rush from this guy and I wonder if he's stout enough to take on the double teams he'll constantly face.

steelers43
04-26-2009, 05:30 PM
Our 6th rounder seems a little light in the pants to be a solid NT in the 3-4. Not much pass rush from this guy and I wonder if he's stout enough to take on the double teams he'll constantly face.

NT? He'll be a 34 end and is yet another great pick. Likely spend a year on the PS and learn the position.

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2009, 05:31 PM
This is the first guy who doesn't seem like a "Steeler-type" guy. I would have preferred NT Myron Pryor from Kentucky who went a couple of picks later to New England.


Ra'Shon Harris
Height: 6-33/4 | Weight: 298 | 40-Time: 4.99

Strengths:
Adequate height and bulk...Long arms...Very athletic...Great speed with a burst to close...Quick and agile...Holds his ground at the point of attack...Able to collapse the pocket...Still improving and has upside.

Weaknesses:
Underachiever...Has trouble getting off blocks...Does not always use proper leverage...Poor instincts and awareness...Doesn't use his hands well...Inconsistent motor...Bad work ethic...Was not very productive.

Notes:
Also goes by "Sonny"...Redshirted in 2004 then played sparingly as a backup in 2005...Was limited by a torn triceps muscle in 2006 then resumed his backup role in 2007...Finally got an opportunity to start as a senior and began to play up to his ability...Definitely has the talent to play in the NFL but for one reason or another the light just hasn't come on yet...May lack the intangibles to ever maximize his immense potential...Developmental type who might be worth a late round flyer.

phillyesq
04-26-2009, 05:35 PM
They brought him in for a visit, so they must have liked what they saw when they met with him. Sounds like a decent developmental DE prospect. If he works out, great. If not, it's just a sixth.

BradshawsHairdresser
04-26-2009, 05:41 PM
Sounds like more training camp fodder.

dirt
04-26-2009, 05:45 PM
"The Good: A strong, well-built tackle with good power and base strength at the point of attack. Works his legs well through blocks and can control linemen on runs to either side of his body. Plays with a good motor and does a nice job extending his arms and delivering a strong punch on contact. Works very hard inside and takes pride against the double-team. Has the power to hold the point of attack. Will find his way as a rotational type defender.

The Bad: Isnít ever going to be a playmaker at the next level. Lacks burst off the ball and struggles shedding blocks inside. Doesnít displays any kind of lateral mobility and isnít sudden or fluid in space. More of a strong, blue-collar type"

Maybe they are thinking nt for harris?

steelers43
04-26-2009, 06:03 PM
"The Good: A strong, well-built tackle with good power and base strength at the point of attack. Works his legs well through blocks and can control linemen on runs to either side of his body. Plays with a good motor and does a nice job extending his arms and delivering a strong punch on contact. Works very hard inside and takes pride against the double-team. Has the power to hold the point of attack. Will find his way as a rotational type defender.

The Bad: Isnít ever going to be a playmaker at the next level. Lacks burst off the ball and struggles shedding blocks inside. Doesnít displays any kind of lateral mobility and isnít sudden or fluid in space. More of a strong, blue-collar type"

Maybe they are thinking nt for harris?

Nah, I see him being developed as a two gap DE while Hood plays where Keisel is and can put pressure on the QB.

Flasteel
04-26-2009, 06:03 PM
Our 6th rounder seems a little light in the pants to be a solid NT in the 3-4. Not much pass rush from this guy and I wonder if he's stout enough to take on the double teams he'll constantly face.

NT? He'll be a 34 end and is yet another great pick. Likely spend a year on the PS and learn the position.

I don't know much about Harris but he seems to be better suited to bulking up and trying to hold the point, than ever trying to line head-up on a tackle and beat him. Like I said, pretty much zero pass rush from the guy. I don't see where there is room to call it a great pick, but I am happy we're still addressing the trenches...more bodies to choose from.

TallyStiller
04-26-2009, 06:48 PM
Perspective, here... it's a 6th rounder. You're not looking for a superstar here - you're happy with a guy who has a legitimate shot at making the roster. The question isn't "is this guy going to go to the Pro Bowl?", it's "can he beat out Nick Eason?" That could happen if the kid is as talented as the report says...

Mel Blount's G
04-26-2009, 07:50 PM
Our 6th rounder seems a little light in the pants to be a solid NT in the 3-4. Not much pass rush from this guy and I wonder if he's stout enough to take on the double teams he'll constantly face.

NT? He'll be a 34 end and is yet another great pick. Likely spend a year on the PS and learn the position.

I don't know much about Harris but he seems to be better suited to bulking up and trying to hold the point, than ever trying to line head-up on a tackle and beat him. Like I said, pretty much zero pass rush from the guy. I don't see where there is room to call it a great pick, but I am happy we're still addressing the trenches...more bodies to choose from.
I was hoping he'd bulk up and be a NT as well flasteel. Myron Pryor from kentucky was taken right after this pick by the patties and had a more fire plug NT build. I was kinda stunned that we didn't address the NT at all in the draft. However, I did read somewhere that next years draft looks to be an excellent one for NT prospects so maybe the FO knows what they are doing. (as if I do...)

Mel Blount's G
04-26-2009, 08:16 PM
Defensive Line Coach John Mitchell

John Mitchell
RE: RAíSHON HARRIS
Defensive Tackle, Oregon
6th Round Ė 205th Overall

John Mitchell:

We just took RaíShon Harris Ė he goes by the name Sonny. Here is a young man from Oregon who started this past year. The thing I like about this guy is that, for a defensive line coach in the defense we play, you get a guy like this who is versatile. At Oregon, he played the 4-3 inside at a tackle Ė we are going to look at him inside as a tackle. This guy can run. He is still learning how to play football. He only started one year. In the past, as a junior and as a sophomore; he played in 12 games his junior year and six or seven games his sophomore year. Here is a guy who has been as heavy as 310 when we brought him in here but played last year at around 298. He uses his hands well and stays on his feet and can run. For a guy in our defense, if he canít use his hands and stay on his feet, he doesnít have a chance to play. He gives me something to work with. I am excited to have this guy. I think we got him where we thought we would get him.

You got a lot to work with:

We will wait to see. We got some good football players. With this draft, we were really successful getting the guys that we wanted to get.

Do you consider Harris a nose tackle?

Yeah, we are going to play him at both.In the 4-3, he was an inside tackle. He always played over the guard to the split end side. They always moved him. This guy, he has the speed and quickness. I would like for him to get a stronger. This guy can run. This is a very mature guy who has a kid. He is going to come in with the attitude that this is going to be a job with the chance to make some money and start my career. I am excited about him.

What are your thoughts on the guys on your roster right now?

It has been written that I have a lot of guys who are getting old. Aaron Smith is going to be 33; Brett (Keisel) is going to be 31; Casey (Hampton) is 31. I said this earlier, chronologically, they may be old, but when you look at these guys, Brett was here for four years before he played. Aaron Smith was here two years before he played. Since I have been here, Casey is the only guy who has come in here as a rookie and played. He split some time with (Kendrick) Clancy the first six or seven games before it became clear that he was the better player. Those guys, chronologically are old, but football-wise, they are not. You look at the two injuries Brett had and also Aaron Smith, they didnít have an injury because their athletic ability had diminished. Both of these guys were running to the ball when they got nicked up by one of their own players. I think these guys have a lot of wear and tear on them. I think they can be around for the next three, four or five years. Brett takes good care of himself, and so does Aaron. Casey, I think he was embarrassed when he came back with the weight situation, but these guys have a lot of football in them. You can look at Chris Hoke. He is 33, but he was here for three years before he made the team. So football-wise, these guys donít have a lot of wear and tear on them.




What do you like about Hood?

When I did Ziggy on tape, this is the thing I liked. They played a 4-3 and they did some of the things that we do at time. Here is a guy who can run and plays with a good motor. A lot of times when scouts go out and look at a guy, you say Ďwell this guy plays high and he doesnít use his hands.í Well, that is what you pay me to do. I am not concerned about that. This guy stays on his feet, he is going to give you 60 minutes of football, he is a strong guy, he is very intelligent, he is not going to have any problems coming in here learning our scheme because in our scheme we ask our defensive ends to do a lot. It is easy to play nose tackle because we do a lot of things with them, but it is simple. When you get a defensive end in our scheme, with the things we ask them to do, he is going to have to be a guy that can pick up things. This guy already graduated and is very intelligent. The things that he has done at Missouri are very similar to the things that we are going to ask him to do here.

Are you pleased with the depth on your line now?

Yes. You look at the way Travis Kirschke played last year when Brett Keisel missed a couple of games. Travis has a little age on him, but he is a good football player. We didnít miss a beat. If you look at some of the numbers from this past year, I think we played very well defensively. Nick Eason stepped in and played well. Even when we had Orpheus Roye, he played well. We have some pretty good depth. I have said this to Coach Tomlin Ė it is good to have a first-round draft choice, but Ziggy is light-years from playing right now. He is not going to come in tomorrow or next week or next month and play. He is going to have a learning curve. It is not going to be easy. Here is a guy who is going to work really hard. He knows that, and that is one thing we are really excited about. Right now, I have some good football players, so it is going to be tough for anybody to come in and uproot them. It is good to have some depth and have a young guy who I am going to have time to bring along slowly. He is not going to come in here and get thrown out there because he is a first-round draft choice.

Help to have veterans with you?

It has made my job very easy here. Aaron Smith is in his 10th season, Casey (Hampton) eight, Keisel has been here, so it makes my coaching easy when you have guys like that here year in and year out. Itís easy to coach them. They play well because they have been in this scheme a long time. Iíve said this a long time, those guys make my job easy and bringing a guy like Ziggy, we donít have to play him tomorrow, next week or next month, we will give him time to develop and he is going to add to that mix

Will you sit him down with Aaron Smith and have Ziggy follow him?

Iím not going to have to do that, they will do that. They know that if we took a guy in the first round he must be a pretty good football player. They are going to do everything in their power to help this guy be a good football player. But you just look at the success of the guys that we have had coming in here, Aaron Smith two years, Brett Keisel four years because Kimo (von Oelhoffen) was there. Like I said, this is my 16th year and Casey is the only guy that has come in here and played as a draft choice and that played consistently for us his first year. Itís a learning curve for a guy to come here and play in our scheme.

Was Hood an automatic first pick for you?

I donít make that decision. You have to ask Mike (Tomlin) and Kevin Colbert that. There were some guys that were on the board that we liked and Ziggy was probably the highest rated guy we had on the board, so we took him. There were some other good football players on the board but he was the guy that we wanted. He is the guy that I wanted from day one.

decleater
04-26-2009, 08:28 PM
"...has the power to hold the point of attack." Like that.

steelerkeylargo
04-26-2009, 10:30 PM
This is the first guy who doesn't seem like a "Steeler-type" guy. I would have preferred NT Myron Pryor from Kentucky who went a couple of picks later to New England.


Ra'Shon Harris
Height: 6-33/4 | Weight: 298 | 40-Time: 4.99

Strengths:
Adequate height and bulk...Long arms...Very athletic...Great speed with a burst to close...Quick and agile...Holds his ground at the point of attack...Able to collapse the pocket...Still improving and has upside.

Weaknesses:
Underachiever...Has trouble getting off blocks...Does not always use proper leverage...Poor instincts and awareness...Doesn't use his hands well...Inconsistent motor...Bad work ethic...Was not very productive.

Notes:
Also goes by "Sonny"...Redshirted in 2004 then played sparingly as a backup in 2005...Was limited by a torn triceps muscle in 2006 then resumed his backup role in 2007...Finally got an opportunity to start as a senior and began to play up to his ability...Definitely has the talent to play in the NFL but for one reason or another the light just hasn't come on yet...May lack the intangibles to ever maximize his immense potential...Developmental type who might be worth a late round flyer.

Totally agree sounds like Orien Harris

Mel Blount's G
04-26-2009, 10:34 PM
He's a project player. Very inexperienced and raw. Sometimes these projects turn into inspiring examples of success, and sometimes not. A lot will depend on his level of dedication (see James Harrison for the proper level of dedication)

Mister Pittsburgh
04-27-2009, 04:51 AM
I like that Harris has a kid. For most fathers that is a pretty motivating tool to work your nuts off to make that kids life better. Hope it keeps him focused.

calmkiller
04-27-2009, 10:50 AM
I am just glad I got this pick exactly right in my mock.

Oviedo
04-27-2009, 01:36 PM
I think the Hood and Harris picks just confirm that we will be transistioning to the 4-3 defense even though many don't want to acknowledge the possibility.

Gotta get you thinking doesn't it. Remember to never say never :wink:

You just drafted your starting DTs this year in Hood and Harris and you already have your starting 4-3 DEs on the roster in Woodley and Bruce davis. We are definitely going in that direction :stirpot

calmkiller
04-27-2009, 02:43 PM
I think the Hood and Harris picks just confirm that we will be transistioning to the 4-3 defense even though many don't want to acknowledge the possibility.

Gotta get you thinking doesn't it. Remember to never say never :wink:

You just drafted your starting DTs this year in Hood and Harris and you already have your starting 4-3 DEs on the roster in Woodley and Bruce davis. We are definitely going in that direction :stirpot


No....

BradshawsHairdresser
04-27-2009, 02:50 PM
I think the Hood and Harris picks just confirm that we will be transistioning to the 4-3 defense even though many don't want to acknowledge the possibility.

Gotta get you thinking doesn't it. Remember to never say never :wink:

You just drafted your starting DTs this year in Hood and Harris and you already have your starting 4-3 DEs on the roster in Woodley and Bruce davis. We are definitely going in that direction :stirpot

Kinda makes a guy wonder.....

SteelCzar76
04-27-2009, 03:03 PM
I think the Hood and Harris picks just confirm that we will be transistioning to the 4-3 defense even though many don't want to acknowledge the possibility.

Gotta get you thinking doesn't it. Remember to never say never :wink:

You just drafted your starting DTs this year in Hood and Harris and you already have your starting 4-3 DEs on the roster in Woodley and Bruce davis. We are definitely going in that direction :stirpot


I agree O that Tomlin is most certainly attempting to "set the board up" for his version of a Tampa 2 4-3. I initially had this feeling after his selection of Timmons,..as he is no more suited for a 3-4 than Hood, Harris or Davis. (Though Woodley is a freak tweener with the base strength and athleticism to actually play in either system effectively)

Some will argue this and say "speak not of such things,...Tomlin loves Coach Lebeau and his defense !" But,..do not kid yourselves,... for as humble as Tomlin would like to portray himself,..the truth is that he is exceptionally "cocky" and wants to make "his Mark" on Steeler history with his coaching idol Tony Dungy's defensive philosophy.

The writing is on the wall IMO whether anyone wants to hear it or not. And as such,.. Ladies and gentleman,...i hope that you all enjoyed the success that we've had since 92-present because the 80's will be making a comeback within the next 5-6 years.

papillon
04-27-2009, 03:09 PM
I think the Hood and Harris picks just confirm that we will be transistioning to the 4-3 defense even though many don't want to acknowledge the possibility.

Gotta get you thinking doesn't it. Remember to never say never :wink:

You just drafted your starting DTs this year in Hood and Harris and you already have your starting 4-3 DEs on the roster in Woodley and Bruce davis. We are definitely going in that direction :stirpot

I'm glad I saw this :stirpot otherwise, I'd have to send the men with the white coats to visit you. Now, talk to me once Lebeau retires, which will hopefully, not be in my lifetime.

Pappy

Bandito
04-27-2009, 06:59 PM
Sonny had actually lost 20lbs before the start of his senior season. He can put on weight but I doubt anywhere close to Hampton since he's 6'4".