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MeetJoeGreene
04-26-2009, 04:21 PM
Seriously.

I think we got scooped in every round. Look at the players that went in the 10 picks or so before us. Could have been a much different draft.


I really, really fear for our O-Line and for our D-Line (after another year).

We don't need TWO cornerbacks. The WR was a luxury that could have waited.

GRRRR.

steelernation77
04-26-2009, 04:23 PM
Seriously? This was a really good draft. We addressed needs early, and got good value players. Joe Burnett was too good a value to pass up in the 5th. He's a good corner and returner.

steelers43
04-26-2009, 04:31 PM
I absolutely love the draft. Best draft since 04 imo.

CJ Spillman still on the board as well as a ton of OL including Shipley.

MaxAMillion
04-26-2009, 04:34 PM
Seriously.

I think we got scooped in every round. Look at the players that went in the 10 picks or so before us. Could have been a much different draft.


I really, really fear for our O-Line and for our D-Line (after another year).

We don't need TWO cornerbacks. The WR was a luxury that could have waited.

GRRRR.

Personally, I love this draft. I guess you will have to be disappointed.

ANPSTEEL
04-26-2009, 04:37 PM
Seriously.

I think we got scooped in every round. Look at the players that went in the 10 picks or so before us. Could have been a much different draft.


I really, really fear for our O-Line and for our D-Line (after another year).

We don't need TWO cornerbacks. The WR was a luxury that could have waited.

GRRRR.

I get what you are saying about the players chosen ahead of us- but disagree with the overall assessment.

I like the draft- I think the team filled holes where possible without overpaying-I think the FO decided that they were not willing to move up and overpay, in what is apparently a weak draft.

Having said that- the team does/will likely have a few issues after next season.

Who plays center?
Who plays either LT or RT?
Who plays nose tackle?

It would be ridiculous to expect the team to be able to fill all of its needs in one single draft- but it will pretty much guarantee that Hampton is extended- and they make a move in the 1st round next year to get a starting caliber LT.

just my thoughts

pfelix73
04-26-2009, 04:38 PM
I think you are way off base. How can you not like this draft class?

If you really thought that we'd add more than 1 OL and 1 DL in the first 3 or so rounds then you just don't understand what's going on. The roster can only take so many OL and DL especially on a team that is as deep as the Steelers.

I mean, we did just win something right? Or are we the Lions?

MeetJoeGreene
04-26-2009, 04:38 PM
Seriously. Almost no one in the 6th or 7th round makes it.

So, in a draft where we needed at least 2 on the OL and 2 on the DL, we took one on each.

It doesn't matter who we draft in the 6th or 7th.

Their chances are MINIMAL that they even make the team.

Since we got 2 CB (AND JUST SIGNED ONE THIS WEEK) -- are we going to say goodbye to Gay or Deshea???

One will have to go.

Unless one will move to safety.

Which we didn't address.

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2009, 04:40 PM
Our two biggest needs were addressed first with big uglies. Love that. We got replacements for Nate, BMac, and Russell. We improved our punt and kick return, which has been sorely lacking since Randle El went to Washington. I would have done some things different, personally, but I cannot find any major fault with this draft. Everyone so far has the chance to make the team and contribute. I don't see any major reaches. No prima donna attitudes. A bunch of Steeler-type guys. I'm pretty happy thus far.

pfelix73
04-26-2009, 04:44 PM
Why don't you pull up the roster?

How can you sit there and think that a second DL is really going to push off a Kirschke or Eason? 2 guys that have NFL experience. And SB rings I might add. Hood is going to probably take one of their positions...

Same goes for the OL.... There's enough competition there as it is..... This has been said for many many weeks and months now.

The 53 man roster will only have 5 or 6 OL on it.

Can you name the 5 or 6 already? So, how could extra OL from the draft beat out the vets? One is enough from this draft. I'm sure they will add a few more to round out the 80+ man roster for summer.. And someone from there could impress....

MeetJoeGreene
04-26-2009, 04:45 PM
Our two biggest needs were addressed first with big uglies. Love that. We got replacements for Nate, BMac, and Russell. We improved our punt and kick return, which has been sorely lacking since Randle El went to Washington. I would have done some things different, personally, but I cannot find any major fault with this draft. Everyone so far has the chance to make the team and contribute. I don't see any major reaches. No prima donna attitudes. A bunch of Steeler-type guys. I'm pretty happy thus far.

Its hard to argue with any single pick (As far a value or character), but I am more concerned with the overall "theme" of the draft.

pfelix73
04-26-2009, 04:46 PM
^^^ Ruthless, I don't mean you ^^^ it's addressed to the author of this thread....

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2009, 04:50 PM
Why don't you pull up the roster?

How can you sit there and think that a second DL is really going to push off a Kirschke or Eason? 2 guys that have NFL experience. And SB rings I might add. Hood is going to probably take one of their positions...

Same goes for the OL.... There's enough competition there as it is..... This has been said for many many weeks and months now.

The 53 man roster will only have 5 or 6 OL on it.

Can you name the 5 or 6 already? So, how could extra OL from the draft beat out the vets? One is enough from this draft. I'm sure they will add a few more to round out the 80+ man roster for summer.. And someone from there could impress....

The 53 man roster will only have 5 or 6 OL on it???

I have no idea what you are saying here. You want only one (or even none?) backups on the o-line? Every team has 8-9 o-lineman on the 53 man roster.

birtikidis
04-26-2009, 04:56 PM
I think he meant as depth? I don't know, tat comment surprised me too...
I like the draft. think that we didn't reach for anyone and we added QUALITY depth.
we may even have a new starting guard which would allow stapleton to move back to center and be the #1 backup at both spots. It leaves Essex as the top back up at both tackles. and it allows Hills another year to develop. well done in my opinion.

pfelix73
04-26-2009, 04:57 PM
2 of them usually don't dress-

Starks
Kemo
Hartwig
Stapleton
Colon
Urbik rookie
Essex

My point is, on this team, there just isn't all that much room as most all of these veterans are already on the team. There are very few spots open. Look at the first 4 picks. All of them at different positions.

DL-

Hampton
Hoke
Keisel
Smith
Kirschke
Eason

Were are 6 DL. There's no more room on the roster for an extra, so Hood will replace one of these. Another DL taken would've meant 2 to come off. As some were saying to take Gilbert in the 2nd when we traded down. There's no way thye would take a 2nd right there.

ANPSTEEL
04-26-2009, 05:00 PM
Our two biggest needs were addressed first with big uglies. Love that. We got replacements for Nate, BMac, and Russell. We improved our punt and kick return, which has been sorely lacking since Randle El went to Washington. I would have done some things different, personally, but I cannot find any major fault with this draft. Everyone so far has the chance to make the team and contribute. I don't see any major reaches. No prima donna attitudes. A bunch of Steeler-type guys. I'm pretty happy thus far.

Its hard to argue with any single pick (As far a value or character), but I am more concerned with the overall "theme" of the draft.

if you look at it from the perspective of

identify your holes
chose the best available athletes that fit the mold and positions needed without reaching

the team created depth in the secondary- both at corner and safety.
the team addressed the deficiencies in the return game
added depth and an eventual impact starter on the DL
added depth and an eventual starter at guard.
filled the need at goal line / short yardage back

like many on this board, i would have loved to have seen the team grab Oher, Wood, or Mack- but they were gone- and the front office wasn't about to reach/overpay for a player- particularly when they are so clearly strapped for cap space.

But by far my favorite move of this draft was to trade out of the 2nd round to get additional 3rd round value picks- that was a sweet move, imo.

Flasteel
04-26-2009, 05:11 PM
Seriously.

I think we got scooped in every round. Look at the players that went in the 10 picks or so before us. Could have been a much different draft.


I really, really fear for our O-Line and for our D-Line (after another year).

We don't need TWO cornerbacks. The WR was a luxury that could have waited.

GRRRR.

Dude.

There were some guys picked soon before our selections that would have been nice, but we addressed the top need areas in my opinion. Great looking draft from my perspective; we'll just see how it turns out.

C'mon MJG.

SteelCzar76
04-26-2009, 05:37 PM
I agree with Mean Joe in terms of not getting this Draft. It's my opinion that the more comfortable Tomlin becomes,.... the Drafts get progressively worse.

I have to admit,...though i will always remain true to the organization as i have done all of my life,...the future of this team in terms of Team Tomlin/Colbert as opposed to team Cowher/Colbert in respect of selecting players,... does not look promising.

Sure,..we've just Won another World title...but the majority of the players responsible were from Coach Cowhers's era. (With the exceptions of Woodley and Hartwig)

Tomlin is a great motivator and can relate to today's player probably far more so than Bill ever could,....but it's going to be interesting to see exactly how "good" Tomlin is when ALL of the players Drafted under Coach Cowher are gone and we are left with nothing but guys whom are all "simple as a bowl of grits" without the ability to seduce anyone via talent. (The Sweed's, Mendenhall's, Timmons's)

In terms of this years Draft so far,...

Evander Hood: High Character kid,..very strong and simple as a bowl of grits, as he is not a very talented or exceptional 5 technique interior lineman. Will fail miserably in a 3-4, but could likely be a solid backup/possible average starter in a 4-3 scheme in 2-5 years.

Craig Urbik: Basically no difference between him and any other guard currently on the roster.

Mike Wallace: Will enter the league as an upgrade over Nate Washington. Though that's not saying very much,...the kid has got good speed and some upside.

Keenan Lewis: I watch a great deal of Pac-10 football,....this guy is a f@cking Clown. Think Ike Taylor without the speed and athleticism,...and even less awareness.

Joe Burnett: Solid college player and pretty fair return specialist. However, probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us.

Frank Summers: Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.

phillyesq
04-26-2009, 05:56 PM
I'm a bit worried about Hood's ability to convert to playing as a 3-4 DE, but I'll trust Colbert in the first. I really wanted Wood or Mack, but with those guys off the board, I'm pretty pleased.

The Steelers picked up a big ugly on each side of the ball. I think that Urbick could push Stapelton for the RG job by midseason, and Hood should be able to contribute as a rotational player, and perhaps inside on passing downs. I like drafting two return guys -- if one turns into the next Willie Reid, the team is still covered. I would have loved a tackle, but the team must not have been impressed with Britton, and after the first, there didn't seem to be a ton of depth at OT.

Who knows how any of these guys will pan out, but it seems to me like the Steelers have addressed their needs (except for OT).

steelernation77
04-26-2009, 05:59 PM
I agree with Mean Joe in terms of not getting this Draft. It's my opinion that the more comfortable Tomlin becomes,.... the Drafts get progressively worse.

I have to admit,...though i will always remain true to the organization as i have done all of my life,...the future of this team in terms of Team Tomlin/Colbert as opposed to team Cowher/Colbert in respect of selecting players,... does not look promising.

Sure,..we've just Won another World title...but the majority of the players responsible were from Coach Cowhers's era. (With the exceptions of Woodley and Hartwig)

Tomlin is a great motivator and can relate to today's player probably far more so than Bill ever could,....but it's going to be interesting to see exactly how "good" Tomlin is when ALL of the players Drafted under Coach Cowher are gone and we are left with nothing but guys whom are all "simple as a bowl of grits" without the ability to seduce anyone via talent. (The Sweed's, Mendenhall's, Timmons's)

In terms of this years Draft so far,...

Evander Hood: High Character kid,..very strong and simple as a bowl of grits, as he is not a very talented or exceptional 5 technique interior lineman. Will fail miserably in a 3-4, but could likely be a solid backup/possible average starter in a 4-3 scheme in 2-5 years.

Craig Urbik: Basically no difference between him and any other guard currently on the roster.

Mike Wallace: Will enter the league as an upgrade over Nate Washington. Though that's not saying very much,...the kid has got good speed and some upside.

Keenan Lewis: I watch a great deal of Pac-10 football,....this guy is a f@cking Clown. Think Ike Taylor without the speed and athleticism,...and even less awareness.

Joe Burnett: Solid college player and pretty fair return specialist. However, probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us.

Frank Summers: Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.

Yeah we should've taken Percy Harvin.

Can't take you seriously.

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2009, 06:00 PM
I agree with Mean Joe in terms of not getting this Draft. It's my opinion that the more comfortable Tomlin becomes,.... the Drafts get progressively worse.

I have to admit,...though i will always remain true to the organization as i have done all of my life,...the future of this team in terms of Team Tomlin/Colbert as opposed to team Cowher/Colbert in respect of selecting players,... does not look promising.

Sure,..we've just Won another World title...but the majority of the players responsible were from Coach Cowhers's era. (With the exceptions of Woodley and Hartwig)

Tomlin is a great motivator and can relate to today's player probably far more so than Bill ever could,....but it's going to be interesting to see exactly how "good" Tomlin is when ALL of the players Drafted under Coach Cowher are gone and we are left with nothing but guys whom are all "simple as a bowl of grits" without the ability to seduce anyone via talent. (The Sweed's, Mendenhall's, Timmons's)

In terms of this years Draft so far,...

Evander Hood: High Character kid,..very strong and simple as a bowl of grits, as he is not a very talented or exceptional 5 technique interior lineman. Will fail miserably in a 3-4, but could likely be a solid backup/possible average starter in a 4-3 scheme in 2-5 years.

Craig Urbik: Basically no difference between him and any other guard currently on the roster.

Mike Wallace: Will enter the league as an upgrade over Nate Washington. Though that's not saying very much,...the kid has got good speed and some upside.

Keenan Lewis: I watch a great deal of Pac-10 football,....this guy is a f@cking Clown. Think Ike Taylor without the speed and athleticism,...and even less awareness.

Joe Burnett: Solid college player and pretty fair return specialist. However, probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us.

Frank Summers: Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.

That was a lot of words, when you just could have said what you really meant..."Rey Maualuga was available at #32, and the Steelers took someone else, so this draft SUCKS!!!" :wink:

BradshawsHairdresser
04-26-2009, 06:10 PM
OL has been the glaring weakness of our team for awhile. It's obvious that we don't have the horses up front to open the holes for a consistent running game, and we all know about all the sacks. OK, so lots of them were Ben's fault for holding the ball too long. Take those away, and we STILL had one of the WORST pass-blocking units in the league.

So what have we done in the past two drafts to address this weak spot?
--Hills, OT, round 4, 2008.......has showed NOTHING
--Urbik, OG, round 3, 2009......toughness and consistency questionable
(we may still take someone in round 7 of 2009 draft as I write this)

That's IT. I hope above all hope that one or both of these guys blossoms into a solid starter...but to me, they just look like backup material. Certainly, neither seems to have what it takes to dominate. Hope I'm wrong.

Then there's the DL. While it's been playing well, we know all about all the greybeards there. Tomlin, before last season's draft, acknowledged that we have to get younger men into that unit.

So what have we done in the past two drafts to address this glaring need?
--Hood, DT, round 1, 2009.......not suited to play DT full-time in the pros, but maybe
not really suited for full-time DE in a 3-4; good character and work guy who could
develop into a solid starter, but seems best suited for situation duty in our D.
--Harris, DT, round 6, 2009......has the frame and athleticism to play DE in the 3-4,
but sounds like a lazy airhead; that doesn't bode well for his future here.
(maybe we'll take a DL player in round 7)

That's IT. Again, I hope both of these guys become bookend DE's that play well for years. But realistically, Harris won't be here by this time next year, and Hood won't be ready to step in and start by then.

WHY didn't we use some of our many picks (there's no way all 8 or 9 drafted rookies will make the roster) to MOVE UP in round 2 and get some real OL help? Or to get a DT that will be able to step in and replace Fat Casey next season? Y'all can gush over reserve CB's and WR's that will fight to make the roster--I'm left scratching my head.



(***Note--I just heard we drafted Shipley, C, in the 7th, so I have to amend my
post above...I like the kid as a college player; not sure what kind of pro he projects
out to.)

Flasteel
04-26-2009, 06:12 PM
I agree with Mean Joe in terms of not getting this Draft. It's my opinion that the more comfortable Tomlin becomes,.... the Drafts get progressively worse.

I have to admit,...though i will always remain true to the organization as i have done all of my life,...the future of this team in terms of Team Tomlin/Colbert as opposed to team Cowher/Colbert in respect of selecting players,... does not look promising.

Sure,..we've just Won another World title...but the majority of the players responsible were from Coach Cowhers's era. (With the exceptions of Woodley and Hartwig)

Tomlin is a great motivator and can relate to today's player probably far more so than Bill ever could,....but it's going to be interesting to see exactly how "good" Tomlin is when ALL of the players Drafted under Coach Cowher are gone and we are left with nothing but guys whom are all "simple as a bowl of grits" without the ability to seduce anyone via talent. (The Sweed's, Mendenhall's, Timmons's)

In terms of this years Draft so far,...

Evander Hood: High Character kid,..very strong and simple as a bowl of grits, as he is not a very talented or exceptional 5 technique interior lineman. Will fail miserably in a 3-4, but could likely be a solid backup/possible average starter in a 4-3 scheme in 2-5 years.

Craig Urbik: Basically no difference between him and any other guard currently on the roster.

Mike Wallace: Will enter the league as an upgrade over Nate Washington. Though that's not saying very much,...the kid has got good speed and some upside.

Keenan Lewis: I watch a great deal of Pac-10 football,....this guy is a f@cking Clown. Think Ike Taylor without the speed and athleticism,...and even less awareness.

Joe Burnett: Solid college player and pretty fair return specialist. However, probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us.

Frank Summers: Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.

What do your comments on Burnett and Summers even mean? ...probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us.

Hey Czar, last time I checked we were among the most talented teams in the league and are currently polishing our 6th Lombardi.

Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.

I don't even understand this.

I love the positions we addressed (although another lineman would have been nice) and I'll leave the talent evaluation up to the guys who do this for a living. No offense, but I doubt you know a fraction of what Tomlin and Colbert do.

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2009, 06:16 PM
It was reported that the team was trying to trade up in the second right after they took Hood. Max Unger was the reported target. I guess teams in the top half of the second round were not interested in moving down all the way to the last pick in round 2. Colbert wasn't going to be one of those desperate guys who trades next year's #1 for a second round pick (you gotta wonder how those guys keep their jobs). The effort was made, but it takes two to tango.

stlrz d
04-26-2009, 06:26 PM
I agree with Mean Joe in terms of not getting this Draft. It's my opinion that the more comfortable Tomlin becomes,.... the Drafts get progressively worse.

I have to admit,...though i will always remain true to the organization as i have done all of my life,...the future of this team in terms of Team Tomlin/Colbert as opposed to team Cowher/Colbert in respect of selecting players,... does not look promising.

Sure,..we've just Won another World title...but the majority of the players responsible were from Coach Cowhers's era. (With the exceptions of Woodley and Hartwig)

Tomlin is a great motivator and can relate to today's player probably far more so than Bill ever could,....but it's going to be interesting to see exactly how "good" Tomlin is when ALL of the players Drafted under Coach Cowher are gone and we are left with nothing but guys whom are all "simple as a bowl of grits" without the ability to seduce anyone via talent. (The Sweed's, Mendenhall's, Timmons's)

In terms of this years Draft so far,...

Evander Hood: High Character kid,..very strong and simple as a bowl of grits, as he is not a very talented or exceptional 5 technique interior lineman. Will fail miserably in a 3-4, but could likely be a solid backup/possible average starter in a 4-3 scheme in 2-5 years.

Craig Urbik: Basically no difference between him and any other guard currently on the roster.

Mike Wallace: Will enter the league as an upgrade over Nate Washington. Though that's not saying very much,...the kid has got good speed and some upside.

Keenan Lewis: I watch a great deal of Pac-10 football,....this guy is a f@cking Clown. Think Ike Taylor without the speed and athleticism,...and even less awareness.

Joe Burnett: Solid college player and pretty fair return specialist. However, probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us.

Frank Summers: Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.

Why are you wasting your time on the internet? You should be in a FO somewhere.

/sarcasm

steelcityrules!!
04-26-2009, 06:49 PM
I agree with Mean Joe in terms of not getting this Draft. It's my opinion that the more comfortable Tomlin becomes,.... the Drafts get progressively worse.

I have to admit,...though i will always remain true to the organization as i have done all of my life,...the future of this team in terms of Team Tomlin/Colbert as opposed to team Cowher/Colbert in respect of selecting players,... does not look promising.

Sure,..we've just Won another World title...but the majority of the players responsible were from Coach Cowhers's era. (With the exceptions of Woodley and Hartwig)

Tomlin is a great motivator and can relate to today's player probably far more so than Bill ever could,....but it's going to be interesting to see exactly how "good" Tomlin is when ALL of the players Drafted under Coach Cowher are gone and we are left with nothing but guys whom are all "simple as a bowl of grits" without the ability to seduce anyone via talent. (The Sweed's, Mendenhall's, Timmons's)

In terms of this years Draft so far,...

Evander Hood: High Character kid,..very strong and simple as a bowl of grits, as he is not a very talented or exceptional 5 technique interior lineman. Will fail miserably in a 3-4, but could likely be a solid backup/possible average starter in a 4-3 scheme in 2-5 years.
his combination of strength and movement fit in nicely as a 3-4 defensive end (what the experts say)

Craig Urbik: Basically no difference between him and any other guard currently on the roster. (what were you expecting as a guard, they are 6'3"-6'6", 300+ lbs and push people around)

Mike Wallace: Will enter the league as an upgrade over Nate Washington. Though that's not saying very much,...the kid has got good speed and some upside.

Keenan Lewis: I watch a great deal of Pac-10 football,....this guy is a f@cking Clown. Think Ike Taylor without the speed and athleticism,...and even less awareness. (this is hilarious, Ike has the wunderlic of a 4 year old... this kid is an academic all-american and has much better hands)

Joe Burnett: Solid college player and pretty fair return specialist. However, probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us. (if he starts for the top ranked defense, your apologies will be accepted)

Frank Summers: Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.


The lions are calling, they are looking for talent scouts.
:wft

steelblood
04-26-2009, 07:08 PM
someone earlier said we don't need two corners.

I disagree. Deshea is a UFA after this year and at the the end of his career. BMac is gone. Ratliff is signed for one year, but I don't mind if we cut him him to keep one of our young guys.

I think we'll keep 10 dbs. 6 corners and 4 safeties. They may also see K. Lewis as our future FS.

Ike
Gay
Deshea
Kennan Lewis
Burnett
Polamalu
Clark
Carter
and 2 from Ratliff, Mundy, F. Bryant, and the gunner we resigned from last year (whose name escapes me)

Steel Life
04-26-2009, 07:10 PM
I think what's missing in the analysis is that we are seeing the slow development of our D to more of a hybrid between our traditional 3-4 & Tomlin's preferred Tampa-2. This should not surprise anyone & it should not be seen as a bad thing - the P*ts do the same thing & it works. Other than that we took a player at every position we had depth issues at, so while not a legendary draft, it's at least a functional one.

Steel Life
04-26-2009, 07:11 PM
someone earlier said we don't need two corners.

I disagree. Deshea is a UFA after this year and at the the end of his career. BMac is gone. Ratliff is signed for one year, but I don't mind if we cut him him to keep one of our young guys.

I think we'll keep 10 dbs. 6 corners and 4 safeties. They may also see K. Lewis as our future FS.

Ike
Gay
Deshea
Kennan Lewis
Burnett
Polamalu
Clark
Carter
and 2 from Ratliff, Mundy, F. Bryant, and the gunner we resigned from last year (whose name escapes me)
Roy Lewis

stlrz d
04-26-2009, 07:14 PM
Casserly really likes our draft.

steelers43
04-26-2009, 07:23 PM
I think what's missing in the analysis is that we are seeing the slow development of our D to more of a hybrid between our traditional 3-4 & Tomlin's preferred Tampa-2. This should not surprise anyone & it should not be seen as a bad thing - the P*ts do the same thing & it works. Other than that we took a player at every position we had depth issues at, so while not a legendary draft, it's at least a functional one.

Nonsense

pfelix73
04-26-2009, 07:29 PM
"OL has been the glaring weakness of our team for awhile. It's obvious that we don't have the horses up front to open the holes for a consistent running game, and we all know about all the sacks."

I totally disagree with this statement. But then again, there has been 2 'trains of thought' on this board, so what else is there to say..

Again, we have to give this OL some time to gel and play together. They got better as the year went along.

As far as sacks- Ben is Ben
As far as runnig the ball better- Install a FB Bruce.

DukieBoy
04-26-2009, 07:48 PM
I agree with Mean Joe in terms of not getting this Draft. It's my opinion that the more comfortable Tomlin becomes,.... the Drafts get progressively worse.

I have to admit,...though i will always remain true to the organization as i have done all of my life,...the future of this team in terms of Team Tomlin/Colbert as opposed to team Cowher/Colbert in respect of selecting players,... does not look promising.

Sure,..we've just Won another World title...but the majority of the players responsible were from Coach Cowhers's era. (With the exceptions of Woodley and Hartwig)

Tomlin is a great motivator and can relate to today's player probably far more so than Bill ever could,....but it's going to be interesting to see exactly how "good" Tomlin is when ALL of the players Drafted under Coach Cowher are gone and we are left with nothing but guys whom are all "simple as a bowl of grits" without the ability to seduce anyone via talent. (The Sweed's, Mendenhall's, Timmons's)

In terms of this years Draft so far,...

Evander Hood: High Character kid,..very strong and simple as a bowl of grits, as he is not a very talented or exceptional 5 technique interior lineman. Will fail miserably in a 3-4, but could likely be a solid backup/possible average starter in a 4-3 scheme in 2-5 years.

Craig Urbik: Basically no difference between him and any other guard currently on the roster.

Mike Wallace: Will enter the league as an upgrade over Nate Washington. Though that's not saying very much,...the kid has got good speed and some upside.

Keenan Lewis: I watch a great deal of Pac-10 football,....this guy is a f@cking Clown. Think Ike Taylor without the speed and athleticism,...and even less awareness.

Joe Burnett: Solid college player and pretty fair return specialist. However, probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us.

Frank Summers: Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.

Why are you wasting your time on the internet? You should be in a FO somewhere.

/sarcasm


In Oakland (no sarcasm)

stlrz d
04-26-2009, 09:20 PM
I agree with Mean Joe in terms of not getting this Draft. It's my opinion that the more comfortable Tomlin becomes,.... the Drafts get progressively worse.

I have to admit,...though i will always remain true to the organization as i have done all of my life,...the future of this team in terms of Team Tomlin/Colbert as opposed to team Cowher/Colbert in respect of selecting players,... does not look promising.

Sure,..we've just Won another World title...but the majority of the players responsible were from Coach Cowhers's era. (With the exceptions of Woodley and Hartwig)

Tomlin is a great motivator and can relate to today's player probably far more so than Bill ever could,....but it's going to be interesting to see exactly how "good" Tomlin is when ALL of the players Drafted under Coach Cowher are gone and we are left with nothing but guys whom are all "simple as a bowl of grits" without the ability to seduce anyone via talent. (The Sweed's, Mendenhall's, Timmons's)

In terms of this years Draft so far,...

Evander Hood: High Character kid,..very strong and simple as a bowl of grits, as he is not a very talented or exceptional 5 technique interior lineman. Will fail miserably in a 3-4, but could likely be a solid backup/possible average starter in a 4-3 scheme in 2-5 years.

Craig Urbik: Basically no difference between him and any other guard currently on the roster.

Mike Wallace: Will enter the league as an upgrade over Nate Washington. Though that's not saying very much,...the kid has got good speed and some upside.

Keenan Lewis: I watch a great deal of Pac-10 football,....this guy is a f@cking Clown. Think Ike Taylor without the speed and athleticism,...and even less awareness.

Joe Burnett: Solid college player and pretty fair return specialist. However, probably is not and will never be the kind of player to start for a professional team. Well,......except us.

Frank Summers: Might be the only pleasent surprise of this Draft. That is,.. unless he shows the potential to make Mendenhall look foolish,..at which point he will be released.

Why are you wasting your time on the internet? You should be in a FO somewhere.

/sarcasm


In Oakland (no sarcasm)

Genuine LOL on that one man!!! :D

Slapstick
04-27-2009, 12:33 AM
It seems that all of the players that the Steelers selected were high-motor/good "football character" guys (by "football character", I mean players with a passion for the game...not necessarily good citizen types, but the two often go hand-in-hand), with the possible exception of Harris...but, I'm not going to pass judgment on him until I actually see him play...

You know who is a high-motor/good "football character" guy? Aaron Smith...

Another one? James Harrison...

Two more? Hines Ward and DeShea Townsend...

One more for good measure: Ryan Clark...

These are guys who didn't have all of the measurables that are used to predict success in the NFL...but I love having all of them on my team...

When you can draft players with fabulous athletic ability (Troy Polamalu, Santonio Holmes, Ben Roethlisberger) you do so...but, when those players aren't there unless you overdraft them or reach for them, I'd definitely stick with the Aaron Smiths and Hines Wards...

I'm not too concerned with Ziggy not having the exact body type for the 3-4 defensive line...James Harrison doesn't have the ideal body type for a 3-4 OLB either...guys like Joey Porter and Demarcus Ware do, but I'm perfectly happy with 6'0", 242 lb James Harrison...

Oviedo
04-27-2009, 08:19 AM
Just don't get anyone's negative take on this draft other than they didn't do what I wanted them to do. Needs were addressed with very good players when those players were available.

Hood will be a solid rotation guy in the 3-4 and may allow LeBeau to add some wrinkles with his penetration ability.

Urbik will challenge for a starting position this year. The guys is a big mauler who can play in a phone booth and just beat up defenses.

Wallace will contribute both in the receiving game and possibly return game this season. A multiple position contributor unlike the receiver he replaces who was incapable of playing on special teams.

Lewis IMO was drafted as Ryan Clark's replacement not a CB.

Burnett will challenge as a rookie as a our primary return man on punts. Could be a solid nickle back learning from Deshea this season. Again a miltiple position contrinutor.

Summers will get a chance to be the short yardage back and from all reports is a solid special teams player. Again multi position value.

Harris is a development player who doesn't have to produce this season and will likely be on PS.

Shipley could be the steal of the draft but doesn't have to step in this year but gets a year to develop.

Johnson is a PS player.

As far as no OT and everyone trying to characterize it as a mistake by the FO I disagree. I think it means that they got it right last season and Tony Hills is showing he can do the job.

Overall a very solid draft for a team that has solid starters coming back in all positions.

papillon
04-27-2009, 08:45 AM
Just don't get anyone's negative take on this draft other than they didn't do what I wanted them to do. Needs were addressed with very good players when those players were available.

Hood will be a solid rotation guy in the 3-4 and may allow LeBeau to add some wrinkles with his penetration ability.

Urbik will challenge for a starting position this year. The guys is a big mauler who can play in a phone booth and just beat up defenses.

One and or both of these players will be starting by the end of the year. Unless, they are complete busts, there's no way Kiesel can hold off Hood all year, if he does, it will be on paper only. I feel the same way about Urbik, although, as we know, the offensive line must play as a unit to be successful. It will be more difficult for Urbik to crack the starting lineup, simply, because, he'd have to do that coming out of training camp (barring injury).


Wallace will contribute both in the receiving game and possibly return game this season. A multiple position contributor unlike the receiver he replaces who was incapable of playing on special teams.

Not expecting much here (this year) WR is probably one of the most difficult positions to come into the league and contribute. I'm really hoping Sweed becomes everything we think he would when he was drafted.

Lewis IMO was drafted as Ryan Clark's replacement not a CB.

Burnett will challenge as a rookie as a our primary return man on punts. Could be a solid nickle back learning from Deshea this season. Again a miltiple position contrinutor.

At first drafting two CBs seemed a head scratcher, but, I read Lewis is a possibility to move safety and Burnett adds depth at CB and will be the return guy. If they work out we'll be well stocked in the secondary, in case, of injury, contract or poor play. Ike has already restructured twice, that tells me the FO may believe they overpaid, but we'll see.

Summers will get a chance to be the short yardage back and from all reports is a solid special teams player. Again multi position value.

This guy was probably my favorite selection; I'm hoping to see him as a FB and as a TB and to return some power to the running game.

Harris is a development player who doesn't have to produce this season and will likely be on PS.

Shipley could be the steal of the draft but doesn't have to step in this year but gets a year to develop.

I'm hoping this guy becomes Mister consistency in the middle of the O-line for a very long time. He doesn't have to go to the HOF, but, a Jeff Hartings type player would be awesome for the next 7-9 years (which coincides with Ben's window of excellence).

Johnson is a PS player.

As far as no OT and everyone trying to characterize it as a mistake by the FO I disagree. I think it means that they got it right last season and Tony Hills is showing he can do the job.

Overall a very solid draft for a team that has solid starters coming back in all positions.

We'll see in three years how it all works out. Tony Hills being ready to play would simply be icing on the cake and like having a draft pick this year that we don't have to sign.

Pappy

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
04-27-2009, 08:46 AM
Just don't get anyone's negative take on this draft other than they didn't do what I wanted them to do. Needs were addressed with very good players when those players were available.

I'm upset with this draft. I wanted them to address both OL and DL in the first round. I was expecting an old fashioned "iron man football" player and all we got was some guy who can only play one side of the ball!! :wink:

papillon
04-27-2009, 09:04 AM
Just don't get anyone's negative take on this draft other than they didn't do what I wanted them to do. Needs were addressed with very good players when those players were available.

I'm upset with this draft. I wanted them to address both OL and DL in the first round. I was expecting an old fashioned "iron man football" player and all we got was some guy who can only play one side of the ball!! :wink:

:moon :moon

:tt2 :tt2

Pappy

Slapstick
04-27-2009, 09:37 AM
Ike has already restructured twice, that tells me the FO may believe they overpaid, but we'll see.

I think that you may have it backwards...

Ike has indeed restructured, but he isn't taking any less money...

Ike has agreed to "simple restructuring", which is the conversion of base salary into a prorated signing bonus...

Example: Player A has a cap hit of $6 million per year with four years left on his contract contract. $4.5 million in salary and $1.5 in bonus...

In a simple restructuring, Player A agrees to reduce his salary, lets say to $700K, while the remaining $3.8 million is paid upfront as a signing bonus...so, $950K per year is now prorated over the next four years...

His new cap hit is $3.15 million this year, as opposed to $6 million, saving the team $2.85 million in cap room this year...

Next year, the cap hit increases by $950K and every year thereafter until the contract expires...

You only agree to a simple restructuring with players you have a lot of faith in to justify the increased cap hit in later years...

papillon
04-27-2009, 09:54 AM
Ike has already restructured twice, that tells me the FO may believe they overpaid, but we'll see.

I think that you may have it backwards...

Ike has indeed restructured, but he isn't taking any less money...

Ike has agreed to "simple restructuring", which is the conversion of base salary into a prorated signing bonus...

Example: Player A has a cap hit of $6 million per year with four years left on his contract contract. $4.5 million in salary and $1.5 in bonus...

In a simple restructuring, Player A agrees to reduce his salary, lets say to $700K, while the remaining $3.8 million is paid upfront as a signing bonus...so, $950K per year is now prorated over the next four years...

His new cap hit is $3.15 million this year, as opposed to $6 million, saving the team $2.85 million in cap room this year...

Next year, the cap hit increases by $950K and every year thereafter until the contract expires...

You only agree to a simple restructuring with players you have a lot of faith in to justify the increased cap hit in later years...

Didn't look into the details of the restructure. Thank You

Pappy

SteelCzar76
04-27-2009, 09:58 AM
That was a lot of words, when you just could have said what you really meant..."Rey Maualuga was available at #32, and the Steelers took someone else, so this draft SUCKS!!!"

Basically Ruthless :lol: No, but seriously, i just think that though Hood is a solid player and a good kid,...he's going to have far more difficulty than anyone expects making the transition to playing as a five tech tackle. And even IF and when he does so,...he'll never match Big Diesel's (Aaron) production. So why select him in the first rnd if you are a 3-4 team ? (Along with the fact that he is not a better football player than Rey.)

Not because Rey is a Trojan,..but we will soon have the need for an impact MLB and i will stand firm by the belief that Timmons is not capable of playing the position (MLB) with any quality consistency. But hey,..he's (Timmons) Tomlin's kid,.. and he does not want to admit that he "dropped the Ball" in terms of selecting him. (He'll go down with that ship)

However, i do like Summers, Wallace, and Shipley. And i'm HOPING that Burnett becomes a late round steal.

But as far as the rest of the picks,...again,.... Urbik in my opinion is no better than, nor has any more upside than any of our current guards that many consider average. Keenan Lewis is ridiculous as a tackler and athlete and has terrible ball skills, along with the fact that he wasn't very productive at all in college. And Rashon Harris,....is a considerable underacheiver whom plays the game with very poor technique and nearly no passion whatsoever.

Bottom line,..the Draft was what it was. And on one hand,...a person could grab the Pom Poms and scream "HOOORAY" and attempt to force themselves to be pleased, or just keep it "authentic" and take everything in stride and hope for the best.

The latter of which i will do,...though admittedly it does not appear to me that we are getting better as a team, though we are not necessarily regressing. (static)

Slapstick
04-27-2009, 10:04 AM
Basically Ruthless :lol: No, but seriously, i just think that though Hood is a solid player and a good kid,...he's going to have far more difficulty than anyone expects making the transition to playing as a five tech tackle. And even IF and when he does so,...he'll never match Big Diesel's (Aaron) production. So why select him in the first rnd if you are a 3-4 team ? (Along with the fact that he is not a better football player than Rey.)

Because, apparently, what the Steelers saw on tape led them to believe that he can become an effective, first round worthy 5 technique D-Lineman...

Also, Hood may not be a better football player than Maualuga...but, he will be a three down player on the Steelers' defense while Rey would only be a two down player...

stlrz d
04-27-2009, 10:08 AM
Just don't get anyone's negative take on this draft other than they didn't do what I wanted them to do.

And there you have it.

By the way, I agree that Lewis is to be the eventual successor to Clark. I believe I even said as much when he was taken. :)

For those who didn't join the draft chat, well all I can say is you missed out on some incredible insights and astute observations by me...but don't worry, you'll get a chance to see what you missed this time around in next year's draft. :P :P :P

AngryAsian
04-27-2009, 10:19 AM
Just don't get anyone's negative take on this draft other than they didn't do what I wanted them to do.

And there you have it.

By the way, I agree that Lewis is to be the eventual successor to Clark. I believe I even said as much when he was taken. :)

For those who didn't join the draft chat, well all I can say is you missed out on some incredible insights and astute observations by me...but don't worry, you'll get a chance to see what you missed this time around in next year's draft. :P :P :P

Can't wait to meet you at the tailgate... so we can share a cup of ego. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

SteelCzar76
04-27-2009, 10:20 AM
Also, Hood may not be a better football player than Maualuga...but, he will be a three down player on the Steelers' defense while Rey would only be a two down player...



Rey is far better in coverage from an athletic standpoint than you may realize, he just needs to refine his technique in terms of discipline. (Nothing that proper professional coaching cannot take care of)

But i digress because the bottom line is,...our offense will get at least two opportunities a year to see just how effective a player Rey can or cannot be,...be it on two or three downs,......

AngryAsian
04-27-2009, 10:23 AM
Also, Hood may not be a better football player than Maualuga...but, he will be a three down player on the Steelers' defense while Rey would only be a two down player...



Rey is far better in coverage from an athletic standpoint than you may realize, he just needs to refine his technique in terms of discipline. (Nothing that proper professional coaching cannot take care of)

But i digress because the bottom line is,...our offense will get at least two opportunities a year to see just how effective a player Rey can or cannot be,...be it on two or three downs,......


Can't wait for Hines to blow him up, so he can be carted off with a broken jaw. :lol: :lol:

SteelCzar76
04-27-2009, 10:35 AM
Can't wait for Hines to blow him up, so he can be carted off with a broken jaw. :lol: :lol:

I don't know if you've ever actually played football, but you don't wish injury on anyone. Do you want to hurt your opponent yes,..but not hinder another players opportunity to continue to play the game that you all love.

Be mindful of what you wish for there homie,....the universe has a way of seeing that things come "full circle" more often than not,.....

stlrz d
04-27-2009, 10:39 AM
Just don't get anyone's negative take on this draft other than they didn't do what I wanted them to do.

And there you have it.

By the way, I agree that Lewis is to be the eventual successor to Clark. I believe I even said as much when he was taken. :)

For those who didn't join the draft chat, well all I can say is you missed out on some incredible insights and astute observations by me...but don't worry, you'll get a chance to see what you missed this time around in next year's draft. :P :P :P

Can't wait to meet you at the tailgate... so we can share a cup of ego. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Unfortunately I can't do a Sunday night game, but I can assure you my post was self deprecating humor in every way, shape and form. The part about my insights and observations anyway. :D

feltdizz
04-27-2009, 10:58 AM
Steelers could have picked 3 waterboys and still had a good draft.. we really have few weaknesses so anyone saying we screwed up this draft just doesn't like the FO or wanted a specific player.

That Rey Muogulala dude is suspect. He is Percy Harvin on D.. great talent but always hurt.

AngryAsian
04-27-2009, 11:01 AM
Can't wait for Hines to blow him up, so he can be carted off with a broken jaw. :lol: :lol:

I don't know if you've ever actually played football, but you don't wish injury on anyone. Do you want to hurt your opponent yes,..but not hinder another players opportunity to continue to play the game that you all love.

Be mindful of what you wish for there homie,....the universe has a way of seeing that things come "full circle" more often than not,.....

Dude, you need to go to your nearest pharmacy and grab a whole bottle "lighten up" pills. This was a joke referencing last year's hit on Bengal LB Keith Rivers... did you get the reference? No such hit would transpire towards your boy Rey anyway due to the new rules instituted this year by the NFL.

http://www.wpxi.com/sports/19004637/detail.html

Please take your own advice and get off your "high horse."

BradshawsHairdresser
04-27-2009, 11:53 AM
Urbik will challenge for a starting position this year. The guys is a big mauler who can play in a phone booth and just beat up defenses.
I hope you're right. I haven't seen anything in this guy yet that distinguishes him from the OGs we already have.


Wallace will contribute both in the receiving game and possibly return game this season. A multiple position contributor unlike the receiver he replaces who was incapable of playing on special teams.
Again, I hope you're right. But I'm not overly optimistic. I think the problem with our return game is a lot more than just plugging this guy in. And I don't look for him to contribute much to the receiving game this season.


Lewis IMO was drafted as Ryan Clark's replacement not a CB.
I hadn't looked at that possiblity. If that's the case, this could be a good move. If they
drafted him as a CB, however, I don't think he will be around that long.


Burnett will challenge as a rookie as a our primary return man on punts. Could be a solid nickle back learning from Deshea this season. Again a miltiple position contrinutor.
But I thought Wallace was going to be our primary returner? I like Burnett--I hope he can make a solid pro.


Summers will get a chance to be the short yardage back and from all reports is a solid special teams player. Again multi position value.
Agreed on this one.


Harris is a development player who doesn't have to produce this season and will likely be on PS.
To me, he looks like Alonzo Jackson revisited. I hope I'm wrong.


Shipley could be the steal of the draft but doesn't have to step in this year but gets a year to develop.
I like Shipley. Worth a 7th rounder, for sure.


Johnson is a PS player.
Looks like they just made a pick to make a pick here.


As far as no OT and everyone trying to characterize it as a mistake by the FO I disagree. I think it means that they got it right last season and Tony Hills is showing he can do the job.
I hope you're right. But in my estimation, we have TWO OT's to replace next year--neither Starks nor Colon will likely be back. We should have grabbed another OT to prepare for next season.


Overall a very solid draft for a team that has solid starters coming back in all positions.
Time will tell if this was indeed a solid draft. But we do have solid starters returning, and
so we have great hope for success this season.

BradshawsHairdresser
04-27-2009, 11:55 AM
Steelers could have picked 3 waterboys and still had a good draft..

Disagree. It's this kind of complacent attitude that will turn a champion into an also-ran in short order.

BradshawsHairdresser
04-27-2009, 12:01 PM
One and or both of these players will be starting by the end of the year. Unless, they are complete busts, there's no way Kiesel can hold off Hood all year, if he does, it will be on paper only.
You are far more optimistic about this than I am. I can't see Hood starting this season, unless Kiesel or Smith gets injured.

buckeyehoppy
04-27-2009, 12:14 PM
One and or both of these players will be starting by the end of the year. Unless, they are complete busts, there's no way Kiesel can hold off Hood all year, if he does, it will be on paper only.
You are far more optimistic about this than I am. I can't see Hood starting this season, unless Kiesel or Smith gets injured.

Yahtzee, BH!!!

buckeyehoppy
04-27-2009, 12:16 PM
Steelers could have picked 3 waterboys and still had a good draft..

Disagree. It's this kind of complacent attitude that will turn a champion into an also-ran in short order.

Bingo, BH!!!

Always remember, Steeler Universe...CHAMPIONS BUILD WITH THE DRAFT!!!

Don't EVER forget that!!!

RuthlessBurgher
04-27-2009, 12:32 PM
Burnett will challenge as a rookie as a our primary return man on punts. Could be a solid nickle back learning from Deshea this season. Again a miltiple position contrinutor.
But I thought Wallace was going to be our primary returner? I like Burnett--I hope he can make a solid pro.


Harris is a development player who doesn't have to produce this season and will likely be on PS.
To me, he looks like Alonzo Jackson revisited. I hope I'm wrong.

Wallace is a kick returner. He's more fast than quick.
Burnett is a punt returner. He's more quick than fast.

Harris is a 6th round d-line prospect. Jackson was a 2nd round pick who we attempted to convert to outside linebacker. Other than that, they are exactly the same. :?

SteelerOfDeVille
04-27-2009, 12:38 PM
I'll admit I was kinda stoked that Rey (like Mendy, last year) might be the selection.

Another position that "in a year or two" we might need a guy to step in. The difference is, that'll actually be sooner than on the D-line. I know I've said this in a couple of places now, but, i wanted to be clear. Farrior is older than all the starting D-linemen and Foote is likely in his last season as a Steeler.

All in all, the draft was "solid"... but, not great.

papillon
04-27-2009, 12:57 PM
One and or both of these players will be starting by the end of the year. Unless, they are complete busts, there's no way Kiesel can hold off Hood all year, if he does, it will be on paper only.
You are far more optimistic about this than I am. I can't see Hood starting this season, unless Kiesel or Smith gets injured.

I believe Kiesel is in the last year of his contract and he's on the wrong side of 30. He has been steady and consistent and this past year he seemed to get pushed around a bit in the run game. I will be disappointed if Hood isn't pushing him by the end of the year. I really don't see the Steelers resigning Kiesel after the upcoming year.

Pappy

buckeyehoppy
04-27-2009, 01:16 PM
Urbik will challenge for a starting position this year. The guys is a big mauler who can play in a phone booth and just beat up defenses.


I hope you're right. I haven't seen anything in this guy yet that distinguishes him from the OGs we already have.

I'll come right out and say it: if he's competing with Darnell and Trai for the starting RG spot, Urbik is going to win. Some of the RBs he opened up holes for @ Wisconsin are in the NFL right now. I EXPECT Urbik to break camp as the starting RG for the SB Champion Steelers from Game 1. Ballsy prediction. But I'll bet I'm either right...or close to it.


Wallace will contribute both in the receiving game and possibly return game this season. A multiple position contributor unlike the receiver he replaces who was incapable of playing on special teams.


Again, I hope you're right. But I'm not overly optimistic. I think the problem with our return game is a lot more than just plugging this guy in. And I don't look for him to contribute much to the receiving game this season.

Wallace is no better than a 4th receiver, period. If he can't contribute to the return game immediately, then this will have been a wasted pick in the position he was drafted in. I'd give him at least 50/50 to be Nate's replacement. But that's also factoring in his return capabilities, something Nate lacked. I don't see him contributing much to the WR corp...but I hope I'm wrong with this one.


Lewis IMO was drafted as Ryan Clark's replacement not a CB.


I hadn't looked at that possiblity. If that's the case, this could be a good move. If they drafted him as a CB, however, I don't think he will be around that long.

Judging from what I've seen, OV, I hope you are right. He may be a camp cut if they think he is a CB...but I can definitely see him as a S. His style of play screams S because he lets too much crap slide by him at CB...he has the kind of range that would be beneficial at FS.


Burnett will challenge as a rookie as a our primary return man on punts. Could be a solid nickle back learning from Deshea this season. Again a miltiple position contrinutor.


But I thought Wallace was going to be our primary returner? I like Burnett--I hope he can make a solid pro

This one I'm definitely waiting and seeing on. I guess the value is there as a PR/CB/NB. Guy sounds like a jack-of-all-trades/master-of-none type. With his selection, the Steelers really don't have an excuse to be deficient in the secondary or in the return game because even if he doesn't make it...he probably will anyway...that means the return game and our situational coverages on D will have improved anyway. We WILL have an improved return game and secondary...or this was a wasted pick.


Summers will get a chance to be the short yardage back and from all reports is a solid special teams player. Again multi position value.


Agreed on this one.

Has Carey Davis been cut yet? Between Summers and McHugh, the short yardage O is covered and Summers will contribute on ST. I'd give this guy at least as much chance sight unseen to be as effective as Davis has been the entire time he's been here.


Harris is a development player who doesn't have to produce this season and will likely be on PS.


To me, he looks like Alonzo Jackson revisited. I hope I'm wrong.

He's basically vying for Eason's roster spot. If that's the case, I'd rather have the guy who's been in the program previously. Don't see the logic here other than bringing in a camp body at a position of need. Way to pay lip service to the DL depth, Colbert...you better be rubbing the rabbit's foot hard hoping you don't have a rash of DL injuries this year.


Shipley could be the steal of the draft but doesn't have to step in this year but gets a year to develop.


I like Shipley. Worth a 7th rounder, for sure.

I hear that Shipley may be able to LS. If that's the case, he may just save a roster spot with that ability if he's just as good as any of the other LS. And if he can play C, too...bonus! And if he can become a starter...woo-hoo!!! And getting him in the 7th is a tremendous value...he was a mid-round projection in most mock drafts.


Johnson is a PS player.


Looks like they just made a pick to make a pick here.

Camp cut, period, unless he just wows the coaching staff. No way he takes a spot from McHugh or Spaeth and Heath needs to be re-signed anyway. We are set at TE for the foreseeable future.


As far as no OT and everyone trying to characterize it as a mistake by the FO I disagree. I think it means that they got it right last season and Tony Hills is showing he can do the job.


I hope you're right. But in my estimation, we have TWO OT's to replace next year--neither Starks nor Colon will likely be back. We should have grabbed another OT to prepare for next season.

If you ignore a need long enough...it will start screaming at you until you address the problem.

Starks will have to be in the Pro Bowl this year to justify the kind of $$$ he'll want long-term. He wanted Jordan Gross $$$...and he's a PBer. And we need to re-up Heath. No way Max gets his before Heath. And Colon IS NOT a T, period.

That said, the FO is sinking or swimming with Hills, Capizzi and Foster as the future of the OT position. I hope they know what they're doing and, for their sake, I hope these guys play into the starting role...two out of three of them will be starters unless Max and Willie show us something that they haven't yet and they would also have to take club-friendly deals to boot.

I won't say another word on this subject aside from...Colbert...you better be rubbing the rabbit's foot hard hoping you don't have a rash of OT injuries this year.


Overall a very solid draft for a team that has solid starters coming back in all positions.


Time will tell if this was indeed a solid draft. But we do have solid starters returning, and so we have great hope for success this season.

Time always tells the story with drafts. Hell, the jury is still out on last year's, to be fair. The Steelers are a deep team at virtually every position other than the OL and DL. So, with the good fortune of good health for the OL and DL, the Steelers are poised for another run at the Lombardi

Lonbull
04-27-2009, 02:19 PM
Seriously.

I think we got scooped in every round. Look at the players that went in the 10 picks or so before us. Could have been a much different draft.

I really, really fear for our O-Line and for our D-Line (after another year).

We don't need TWO cornerbacks. The WR was a luxury that could have waited.

GRRRR.


MJG - I was disappointed with our draft - so it's not "just you".

At first glance it appeared to me that -

In Round 1 - We missed out on getting a needed upgrade at Center with either Mack or Wood. I don't think anyone expected them both to be gone by #32.

In Round 3 - We moved down and perhaps the Steelers had hoped to have their choice between Antoine Caldwell (#77), Louis Vasquez (#78) and finally our choice Kraig Urbik. (#79).

** I think the Steelers thought Caldwell would be there and missed.

Mike Wallace - Former NFL Scout Chris Landry really liked this pick for us, saying that we just got the fastest guy in the draft - and a very solid return guy. If he can make our return game even modestly dangerous he's worth it to me. You said that WR was a luxury in this draft - however I've heard a number of "experts" say this is the best Punt and Kick Return class they've seen in a long time - I agree with you that WR may not be a big need right now - however we lost our best return guy a few days ago (Gary Russell) and let's face it - when your goal line guy is also your Kickoff guy - something needs to be addressed.

In Round 5 - ****I believe the Steelers thought Duke Robinson might be available and missed him by five picks.

With Joe Burnett they have another shot at a Return man - and he'll probably be helpful to special teams. The other CB/Safety we took Keenan Lewis seems like a solid CB for our defense - in that he's supposed to offer solid run support, and he's supposed to be a quality guy to have on the team.

Outside of Ike Taylor - we can certainly use the youth (DeShea Townsend & Fernando Bryant) or a possible upgrade over former UDFA's (Roy Lewis or Anthony Madison).

Again I see these as solid "gambles".

I wasn't crazy about the Frank Summers selection --- however it makes sense if you don't plan to have a "real" Fullback - and if the Steelers offense intends on using more of an H-Back philosophy than the David Johnson TE selection also makes sense.

Finally with A.Q. Shipley - He won the Rimington Trophy last season for being the best center in College Football and we got him in the 7th round. :shock:

He may not be built for the Pro Game....but he's a local kid, who has excelled in a need position for us, who brings a great work ethic and a non stop motor. That's a slam dunk for a 7th round selection. Again he may not be built for the NFL ---- but he's certainly worth a look.

In conclusion when Mike Tomlin first joined the team he emphasized that the Steelers were going to "work hard" - and in most of the 2009 selections you see their positives as being "Hard Worker / Team Leader / Strong Work Ethic" - that's the one theme / philosopohy I believe is very consistent among our newest Steelers.

After further review the draft makes more sense to me today than it did last night - and I certainly hope the Steelers got lucky with a few of their gambles.

:tt1

L.B.