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Oviedo
04-17-2009, 01:41 PM
Latest posted on ESPN for the Steelers at 1.32

McShay: Max Unger
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/ ... id=4054682 (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=4054682)

SuperFan: Alex Mack
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4073960

Kiper: Eric Woods
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/ ... id=4054695 (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?id=4054695)

Anyone of the three if correct would help the team. You can have your favorites and I'm sure we will hear the "gloom and doom" and "second guessing" starting next Sunday but over the long run the FO usually gets it right.

grotonsteel
04-17-2009, 01:48 PM
I think Steelers will go with a Center who can play OG position.

Jom112
04-17-2009, 02:00 PM
I think Steelers will go with a Center who can play OG position.

Four of the top Center prospects have shown they can play guard: Mack, Unger, Wood and Caldwell. It's when you get to Luigs and Shipley that you're limited to them playing just Center.

Unger out of all of them, I think would be the worst pick...

grotonsteel
04-17-2009, 02:23 PM
I hope Steelers don't take Unger. Not a big fan of Max Unger. I am not sure how will he lineup against big NT in AFC North.

Do Steelers really follow ZBS or they follow some kinda hybrid scheme?

Oviedo
04-17-2009, 03:41 PM
I hope Steelers don't take Unger. Not a big fan of Max Unger. I am not sure how will he lineup against big NT in AFC North.

Do Steelers really follow ZBS or they follow some kinda hybrid scheme?

I think Unger and Woods are the likely choices and I think both would do a great job. Remember it is unlikely they will be counted on to start at Center. They may compete for the RG job but then they would have to prove they could do it. All the pre draft assessments and analysis are meaningless drivel once they report to mini-camp and training camp. It is all performance from there on out.

BigLebowski
04-19-2009, 06:22 PM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

Oviedo
04-19-2009, 06:32 PM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

I agree. Not sure when having the ability to be a starter at multiple positions became a negative.

I think the pick will be Unger or Wood. Some "experts" have projected that Unger may even be able to play RT if required.

phillyesq
04-19-2009, 07:51 PM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

I haven't been a fan of Unger since reading Chem's assessment, where he pointed out that Unger might have some strength issues. Especially in the AFC North, that is a huge issue. I don't look at his versatility as a drawback, but I'd rather have somebody who will be a great center or a great guard than somebody who would just be adequate at any of those three positions.

Steel Life
04-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Mack can play both Guard & Center, so I'm not sure why you credit Unger & Woods only with that ability. Again the question is why you wouldn't want to take the consensus best player at the position? I want Mack because we see Sean Rogers, Haloti Nagata & Domata Peko twice a year & I believe he's the guy to handle them. I want Mack because Darnell Dockett ate Hartwig's lunch in the SB & this being a copy-cat league, we should expect to see more of the same. I want Mack because I watched him fight everybody's favorite DL - BJ Raji - to a standstill during the practices & games of the Senior Bowl, whereas Unger looked weak.

I'm not saying that either Unger or Wood will be bad players, Wood would be my choice if Mack goes early, but Unger's best fit is on a west-coast offense or one like Indy's where the emphasis is on quick passes. As for Wood, I don't to over-draft him, he's not a first-round talent & we will have our pick of a bunch of top prospects even if Mack is gone.

RuthlessBurgher
04-20-2009, 09:46 AM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

One thing that worries me about Unger is how much Oregon played out of the shotgun. Draft experts marvel at how Unger is able to pull after a shotgun snap, but if he were drafted here, how much shotgun would he run? He doesn't have as much experience with the traditional center exchange as most of the other center prospects, and most of the run blocking he did in college was on shotgun draw plays, which is much different than the Steeler run game.

stlrz d
04-20-2009, 10:37 AM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

One thing that worries me about Unger is how much Oregon played out of the shotgun. Draft experts marvel at how Unger is able to pull after a shotgun snap, but if he were drafted here, how much shotgun would he run? He doesn't have as much experience with the traditional center exchange as most of the other center prospects, and most of the run blocking he did in college was on shotgun draw plays, which is much different than the Steeler run game.

You don't remember all those 3rd and longs from last season? :P

Oviedo
04-20-2009, 10:40 AM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

One thing that worries me about Unger is how much Oregon played out of the shotgun. Draft experts marvel at how Unger is able to pull after a shotgun snap, but if he were drafted here, how much shotgun would he run? He doesn't have as much experience with the traditional center exchange as most of the other center prospects, and most of the run blocking he did in college was on shotgun draw plays, which is much different than the Steeler run game.

You don't remember all those 3rd and longs from last season? :P

I think Ben plays out of the shotgun about 1/3 of the time down irregardless.

stlrz d
04-20-2009, 10:43 AM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

One thing that worries me about Unger is how much Oregon played out of the shotgun. Draft experts marvel at how Unger is able to pull after a shotgun snap, but if he were drafted here, how much shotgun would he run? He doesn't have as much experience with the traditional center exchange as most of the other center prospects, and most of the run blocking he did in college was on shotgun draw plays, which is much different than the Steeler run game.

You don't remember all those 3rd and longs from last season? :P

I think Ben plays out of the shotgun about 1/3 of the time down irregardless.

I was just havin' some fun, but in the 2 minute O they run shotgun quite a bit too.

RuthlessBurgher
04-20-2009, 11:19 AM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

One thing that worries me about Unger is how much Oregon played out of the shotgun. Draft experts marvel at how Unger is able to pull after a shotgun snap, but if he were drafted here, how much shotgun would he run? He doesn't have as much experience with the traditional center exchange as most of the other center prospects, and most of the run blocking he did in college was on shotgun draw plays, which is much different than the Steeler run game.

You don't remember all those 3rd and longs from last season? :P

I think Ben plays out of the shotgun about 1/3 of the time down irregardless.

What about the other 2/3 of the time, though? Can Unger run block out of a traditional set? Much different than run blocking on a shotgun draw play.

papillon
04-20-2009, 11:44 AM
Does anyone think that Stapleton will be moved to center to compete with Hartwig and the Steelers draft the best available interior lineman to play right guard? Hartwig can be the insurance policy for this year and then his contract is up.

Just askin...the Steelers have done this before with great success, Hartings and Dawson.

Pappy

calmkiller
04-20-2009, 11:53 AM
Does anyone think that Stapleton will be moved to center to compete with Hartwig and the Steelers draft the best available interior lineman to play right guard? Hartwig can be the insurance policy for this year and then his contract is up.

Just askin...the Steelers have done this before with great success, Hartings and Dawson.

Pappy

It wouldn't surprise me. He was a Center at Rutgers and the backup at Center for the years before this last. I suppose that all changed when they released Simmons right? Or is he just a place holder until they draft a Guard?

RuthlessBurgher
04-20-2009, 12:17 PM
Does anyone think that Stapleton will be moved to center to compete with Hartwig and the Steelers draft the best available interior lineman to play right guard? Hartwig can be the insurance policy for this year and then his contract is up.

Just askin...the Steelers have done this before with great success, Hartings and Dawson.

Pappy

It wouldn't surprise me. He was a Center at Rutgers and the backup at Center for the years before this last. I suppose that all changed when they released Simmons right? Or is he just a place holder until they draft a Guard?

I vote place holder. I think Stapleton could be a quality backup at either center or guard just like Essex is a quality backup at either tackle or guard. I don't see Stapleton as the long term answer as a starter at either guard or center, though. I think a rookie first day pick on the o-line could compete with Stapleton for the starting RG job as early as this season.

NorthCoast
04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

Really tired of 'versatility'. I want a specialist that can dominate at his position.

BradshawsHairdresser
04-21-2009, 12:25 AM
Not sure why all the hating on Unger, his versatility of being able to play all 3 positions on the line would improve this team dramatically. :2c

Not a flashy pick, but solid.

Really tired of 'versatility'. I want a specialist that can dominate at his position.

:Agree

Versatility might be a nice quality to look for in backups...let's look for some OL starters who will dominate.

Chadman
04-21-2009, 11:10 PM
Does anyone think that Stapleton will be moved to center to compete with Hartwig and the Steelers draft the best available interior lineman to play right guard? Hartwig can be the insurance policy for this year and then his contract is up.

Just askin...the Steelers have done this before with great success, Hartings and Dawson.

Pappy

Stapleton was a VERY steady center at Rutgers, blocking for a very good zone-blocking running game.

It's funny that people don't like Unger because he's not a 'specialist' at center, yet you all want to draft Mack or Wood, specialist centers, and play them at right guard...

Why not just draft a guard?

Oviedo
04-22-2009, 08:20 AM
Does anyone think that Stapleton will be moved to center to compete with Hartwig and the Steelers draft the best available interior lineman to play right guard? Hartwig can be the insurance policy for this year and then his contract is up.

Just askin...the Steelers have done this before with great success, Hartings and Dawson.

Pappy

Stapleton was a VERY steady center at Rutgers, blocking for a very good zone-blocking running game.

It's funny that people don't like Unger because he's not a 'specialist' at center, yet you all want to draft Mack or Wood, specialist centers, and play them at right guard...

Why not just draft a guard?

Because as we saw when our Simmons (Guard only) went down we replaced him with Stapleton (Center who can play Guard). In a salary cap based league you have to have players who can play multiple positions particularly on the OL to make sure that you don't have to have "specialists" which force you to allocate multiple roster spots to certain positions.

The most likely units where you need multiple position players to help with roster numbers and cap value are the OL, LB and DBs. Not too many other positions allow you to have players with the multiple skill sets required to move between positions within those position groupings.

Flexibility is how you make the cap work.

Chadman
04-22-2009, 08:25 AM
Does anyone think that Stapleton will be moved to center to compete with Hartwig and the Steelers draft the best available interior lineman to play right guard? Hartwig can be the insurance policy for this year and then his contract is up.

Just askin...the Steelers have done this before with great success, Hartings and Dawson.

Pappy

Stapleton was a VERY steady center at Rutgers, blocking for a very good zone-blocking running game.

It's funny that people don't like Unger because he's not a 'specialist' at center, yet you all want to draft Mack or Wood, specialist centers, and play them at right guard...

Why not just draft a guard?

Because as we saw when our Simmons (Guard only) went down we replaced him with Stapleton (Center who can play Guard). In a salary cap based league you have to have players who can play multiple positions particularly on the OL to make sure that you don't have to have "specialists" which force you to allocate multiple roster spots to certain positions.

The most likely units where you need multiple position players to help with roster numbers and cap value are the OL, LB and DBs. Not too many other positions allow you to have players with the multiple skill sets required to move between positions within those position groupings.

Flexibility is how you make the cap work.

Well, surely even more the point then- why Wood & Mack over Unger?

Oviedo
04-22-2009, 09:07 AM
I have said for a awhile that I think given the philosophy that Tomlin brought in Unger may be more intriguing to them because there is the possibility he could not only do the Center/Guard thing but also maybe Right Tackle. This board is the only place where I have ever seen a rap against a player who may have the ability to be a starter at three OL positions in the NFL viewed as a negative. Both Wood and Mack also give you the Center/Guard thing. So you really don't go wrong with any of the three.

That said I just have a suspicion we don't get OL at 1.32.