PDA

View Full Version : Poll: 3-4 or 4-3?



Acero
04-17-2009, 10:53 AM
There's a lot of talk lately in this board and elsewhere of the Steelers switching from a 3-4 base defense to a 4-3. With a growing number of teams switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 (imitation is the best form of flattery), some think the availability of 3-4 OLB's, DE's and NT's will dramatically decrease. Add to this all the speculation about LeBeau's imminent retirement and Tomlin's 4-3 background in Tampa D, and one could certainly imagine the Steelers switching schemes.

Will it happen? Should it happen? Please vote.

Oviedo
04-17-2009, 11:10 AM
No reason to change now but also it would be stupid to rule out a change if the team thinks it could make things better.

As I have repeatedly posted the defense doesn't need to change now but I won't rule out that it may eventually have to. Primary reason is getting the right players.

It is very hard to find the right DL for a 3-4 as we have seen ourselves over the last 4-5 years. More teams are going after the same resources and the 3-4 essentially means you have to disgard considering about 50% of the yearly available DL talent pool.

Good thing is I think we have done a great job finding players that fit in both defenses. As the players became familiar with the nuances of a 4-3 there probably would be a step backwards which is why right now isn't the right answer.

stlrz d
04-17-2009, 11:13 AM
Back in the early 90s a lot of teams switched to the 3-4 because they saw the success the Steelers had with it. We kept finding players in the draft and other teams couldn't. Most of those teams ended up going back to the 4-3 while we stayed the 3-4 course and continued to excel. Even from 1997-2003 when we didn't have LeBeau. That's right, there were SIX seasons where our defense excelled despite not having LeBeau as DC. Even if LeBeau retired tomorrow it wouldn't be a reason to switch.

The Steelers don't react to the market, the market reacts to them.

There is no reason to switch to the 4-3 just because other teams are switching to the 3-4.

Slapstick
04-17-2009, 11:32 AM
Back in the early 90s a lot of teams switched to the 3-4 because they saw the success the Steelers had with it. We kept finding players in the draft and other teams couldn't. Most of those teams ended up going back to the 4-3 while we stayed the 3-4 course and continued to excel. Even from 1997-2003 when we didn't have LeBeau. That's right, there were SIX seasons where our defense excelled despite not having LeBeau as DC. Even if LeBeau retired tomorrow it wouldn't be a reason to switch.

The Steelers don't react to the market, the market reacts to them.

There is no reason to switch to the 4-3 just because other teams are switching to the 3-4.

But, the Steelers weren't as successful without LeBeau during that time...Bill Cowher missed the playoffs in five out of his fifteen seasons as HC of the Steelers...in only one of those seasons, 2006, was LeBeau the DC...four out of five years the Steelers missed the playoffs, you had Tim Lewis or Jim Haslett running the D...

Also, in both Super Bowl appearances during Cowher's tenure, LeBeau was calling the shots on defense...Tomlin retained LeBeau and look what happened?

I don't think that's all coincidental...

SteelCzar76
04-17-2009, 11:35 AM
Run Coach Lebeau's 3-4 until there is no such thing as the NFL,.......

aggiebones
04-17-2009, 11:40 AM
The one response missing was:
Whatever works at the time. New rules may come in place at some point that may make it more useful to become a 4-3 again. Who knows? I think Tomlin on up to Rooney will make a rational decision based on the future personnel and how the game will be played.

Acero
04-17-2009, 11:46 AM
oops! I went to add the suggested option and it erased all previous votes! Sorry, didn't know it would do that!

Mel Blount's G
04-17-2009, 12:11 PM
Biased poll; one option for 3-4 and the rest are pro-4-3


Oh, and I vote for the 3-4

RuthlessBurgher
04-17-2009, 12:14 PM
Imagine such a poll 30 years ago in the heyday of the Steel Curtain defense, with the dominant front 4 and Lambert as the MLB behind them. Could you have even imagined suggesting going to a 3-4 at that point? Blasphemy!

Change is inevitable. If you don't adapt, you die. The Steeler front office is smart enough to go with what works as opposed to following what other teams are doing. It certainly could happen that there is a 4-3 in our future, but I don't foresee it happening now or immediately when LeBeau retires. It ain't broke, so there is no need to fix it at this time.

I think Bad Word has several more years in those 70+ year old bones, so that by the time Coach Dad ultimately decides to hang 'em up, Tomlin will have likely worked as many years in Pittsburgh with a 3-4 as he did in Tampa with a 4-3.

stlrz d
04-17-2009, 12:53 PM
Back in the early 90s a lot of teams switched to the 3-4 because they saw the success the Steelers had with it. We kept finding players in the draft and other teams couldn't. Most of those teams ended up going back to the 4-3 while we stayed the 3-4 course and continued to excel. Even from 1997-2003 when we didn't have LeBeau. That's right, there were SIX seasons where our defense excelled despite not having LeBeau as DC. Even if LeBeau retired tomorrow it wouldn't be a reason to switch.

The Steelers don't react to the market, the market reacts to them.

There is no reason to switch to the 4-3 just because other teams are switching to the 3-4.

But, the Steelers weren't as successful without LeBeau during that time...Bill Cowher missed the playoffs in five out of his fifteen seasons as HC of the Steelers...in only one of those seasons, 2006, was LeBeau the DC...four out of five years the Steelers missed the playoffs, you had Tim Lewis or Jim Haslett running the D...

Also, in both Super Bowl appearances during Cowher's tenure, LeBeau was calling the shots on defense...Tomlin retained LeBeau and look what happened?

I don't think that's all coincidental...

I didn't say losing LeBeau was no big deal. Just that it's not impossible to be successful without him. I was no fan of Lewis or Haslett for sure, but they still managed to make the playoffs in 97, 01 and 02. 3 out of 7 years isn't bad. And who's to say LeBeau's eventual successor will be as bad as Lewis or Haslett?

I'm just making the point that if LeBeau moves on that's not automatically a reason to scrap the 3-4 in favor of the 4-3.

grotonsteel
04-17-2009, 01:58 PM
A lot depends on the DC. If LeBeau retires and Tomlin takes over it may be the right time switch to 4-3.

RuthlessBurgher
04-17-2009, 02:20 PM
A lot depends on the DC. If LeBeau retires and Tomlin takes over it may be the right time switch to 4-3.

Tomlin takes over? What head coach also functions as a defensive coordinator as well? :?

Slapstick
04-17-2009, 02:23 PM
I didn't say losing LeBeau was no big deal. Just that it's not impossible to be successful without him. I was no fan of Lewis or Haslett for sure, but they still managed to make the playoffs in 97, 01 and 02. 3 out of 7 years isn't bad. And who's to say LeBeau's eventual successor will be as bad as Lewis or Haslett?

I'm just making the point that if LeBeau moves on that's not automatically a reason to scrap the 3-4 in favor of the 4-3.

I agree that losing LeBeau isn't necessarily a reason to scrap the 3-4...

But, losing LeBeau, Hampton, Keisel, Townsend and Foote might be...

grotonsteel
04-17-2009, 02:31 PM
A lot depends on the DC. If LeBeau retires and Tomlin takes over it may be the right time switch to 4-3.

Tomlin takes over? What head coach also functions as a defensive coordinator as well? :?

Sorry did not mean Tomlin being a DC but getting a DC from outside or someone familiar with Tampa-2.

If Steelers have personnel to move to 4-3 then why not make that change.

Flasteel
04-17-2009, 09:56 PM
This discussion is simply retarded and it's been tiredly banged around since Tomlin came here. Our defense is able and should be able to give multiple looks but as long as we continue to draft or bring in players who fit the 3-4, it's gonna remain our base. Why is anyone even discussing such a drastic change less than 3 months after winning a championship?...with one of the all-time great defensive seasons leading the way?

Stop the madness.

Oviedo
04-18-2009, 10:45 AM
This discussion is simply retarded and it's been tiredly banged around since Tomlin came here. Our defense is able and should be able to give multiple looks but as long as we continue to draft or bring in players who fit the 3-4, it's gonna remain our base. Why is anyone even discussing such a drastic change less than 3 months after winning a championship?...with one of the all-time great defensive seasons leading the way?

Stop the madness.

Dude! It's the off season and everyone is bored. Do you really think that 90% of what we post isn't retarded. A bunch of out of shape, wannabes spending hours every week commenting on the performance of professionals like we know or could do better. Of course we are retarded.

Flasteel
04-18-2009, 12:41 PM
This discussion is simply retarded and it's been tiredly banged around since Tomlin came here. Our defense is able and should be able to give multiple looks but as long as we continue to draft or bring in players who fit the 3-4, it's gonna remain our base. Why is anyone even discussing such a drastic change less than 3 months after winning a championship?...with one of the all-time great defensive seasons leading the way?

Stop the madness.

Dude! It's the off season and everyone is bored. Do you really think that 90% of what we post isn't retarded. A bunch of out of shape, wannabes spending hours every week commenting on the performance of professionals like we know or could do better. Of course we are retarded.

:Bow
The perfect response. :lol:

SteelBucks
04-18-2009, 01:08 PM
The Steelers D is built for the 3-4....they will stay with the 3-4.

LONG LIVE BLITZBURGH!

RuthlessBurgher
04-18-2009, 02:23 PM
This discussion is simply retarded and it's been tiredly banged around since Tomlin came here. Our defense is able and should be able to give multiple looks but as long as we continue to draft or bring in players who fit the 3-4, it's gonna remain our base. Why is anyone even discussing such a drastic change less than 3 months after winning a championship?...with one of the all-time great defensive seasons leading the way?

Stop the madness.

Dude! It's the off season and everyone is bored. Do you really think that 90% of what we post isn't retarded. A bunch of out of shape, wannabes spending hours every week commenting on the performance of professionals like we know or could do better. Of course we are retarded.

:Bow
The perfect response. :lol:

"Dan is @#$%ing devastated about Dawkins signing with Denver...Dam Eagles R Retarted."