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Steelgal
04-16-2009, 02:34 PM
http://news.steelers.com/article/104626/

The Steelers also announced they have released veteran running back Gary Russell, who was originally signed as an undrafted rookie free agent following the 2007 NFL Draft. In his two seasons with the Steelers, he played in 15 regular-season games and four postseason contests.

Didn't see that coming.....

BradshawsHairdresser
04-16-2009, 02:46 PM
Why Russell and not Carey Davis?

I understand Russell is a HB and Davis a FB. Still, Davis seems a lot less "needed" than Russell.

phillyesq
04-16-2009, 03:00 PM
Surprising. Especially doing so before the draft.

He must have been out of shape at one of the offseason activities, or done something to merit this. I'd imagine more info about this will be brought to light.

Oviedo
04-16-2009, 03:01 PM
I wonder if this means we are eyeing a RB in the draft.

Not really a big deal because we never used Russell to the fullest extent possible. It is surprising that a marginal player like Carey Davis still finds a way to hang around.

grotonsteel
04-16-2009, 03:02 PM
What....????????????????? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I thought he was Steelers best goal line back last year...

Fire Carey Davis.........

ramblinjim
04-16-2009, 03:09 PM
Wow, I didnt' see this coming either. Too bad for Russell, there may be more to it though, he's always seemed to play pretty well.

Of course the back field is pretty crowded. I'll bet Russell is on Arizona's roster in 3...........2............1.........

MeetJoeGreene
04-16-2009, 03:09 PM
I am really shocked.

This has to be a cap move, but why, oh why couldn't it have been Carey Davis.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-16-2009, 03:16 PM
It has to be out of shape or some kind of trouble. Most likely fairwell for good.

Oviedo
04-16-2009, 03:28 PM
It has to be out of shape or some kind of trouble. Most likely fairwell for good.

I agree. As Paul Harvey said "We haven't heard the rest of the story."

Mister Pittsburgh
04-16-2009, 03:34 PM
WHO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE RETURNING KICKS? :lol:

SteelBucks
04-16-2009, 03:37 PM
I wonder if this means we are eyeing a RB in the draft.



Beanie Wells!!!! :wink:

SteelBucks
04-16-2009, 03:39 PM
WHO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE RETURNING KICKS? :lol:

Nejah's available!

Jom112
04-16-2009, 03:51 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of those, release a player then sign them again later type of deals...

Mel Blount's G
04-16-2009, 04:07 PM
Davis contributed more on kick off coverages (special teams) than Russell did didn't he?

grotonsteel
04-16-2009, 04:28 PM
I wonder if this means we are eyeing a RB in the draft.



I hope Steelers don't draft Frank Summers a bit earlier because of this move......

Oviedo
04-16-2009, 04:31 PM
I wonder if this means we are eyeing a RB in the draft.



I hope Steelers don't draft Frank Summers a bit earlier because of this move......

I agree. You can very good RBs very late in the draft. We already have Mendenhall, FWP and Moore on the roster and you only dress 3 on game day.

I'm OK for drafting Summers but not before Round 6 at the earliest.

aggiebones
04-16-2009, 04:41 PM
They gave him a shot at being the goalline back and he didn't do better than anyone else, maybe barely. I think they'll look elsewhere.

mshifko
04-16-2009, 05:37 PM
he really embraced his role as a goal line back; will be picked up by arizona like someone else said soon :lol: ...but we do have a healthy rashard mendenhall, he's not your prototypical bruiser, but he has a nose for the endzone...

mshifko
04-16-2009, 05:38 PM
although it's logical due to this move, this doesn't mean we're going to pick up a RB in the draft...we have FWP, mendy, and mewelde...not to mention carey davis as our FB...we have a crowded backfield as it is and gary just added to that...i wish him luck, glad he got to score in the super bowl for us...

Sugar
04-16-2009, 06:22 PM
No matter what else Russell does or doesn't do in his career he will at least be able to say that he scored a touchdown in the SB while he shows off his ring. Not bad for an UDFA! :tt2

Discipline of Steel
04-16-2009, 06:36 PM
No matter what else Russell does or doesn't do in his career he will at least be able to say that he scored a touchdown in the SB while he shows off his ring. Not bad for an UDFA! :tt2

Yeah, I feel bad but at least he has that.

phillyesq
04-16-2009, 07:05 PM
Dale Lolley speculated that the Steelers were tight enough against the cap that the Steelers had to release Russell to resign Batch.

http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/2009/04/steelers-release-russell.html


Thursday, April 16, 2009
Steelers release Russell
In an interesting move Thursday, the Steelers released running back Gary Russell, their primary kickoff return man and short-yardage specialist in 2008.

The move was announced at the same time as the team announced it had re-signed quarterback Charlie Batch.

It's likely that this was a salary cap move. With the signings of James Harrison and Batch this week, the Steelers had to be tight against the cap.

Russell wasn't making a lot of money, but the $450,000 or so in base salary he would have earned was likely used to sign Batch.

It also shows how much confidence the Steelers have that running back Rashard Mendenhall will be completely healed from the broken shoulder he suffered early in the 2008 season.

I thought that the Steelers would be close to the cap after signing Batch, but if they're this close up to the cap now, that is just absurd.

True Fan
04-16-2009, 07:58 PM
Dale Lolley speculated that the Steelers were tight enough against the cap that the Steelers had to release Russell to resign Batch.

http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/2009/04/steelers-release-russell.html


Thursday, April 16, 2009
Steelers release Russell
In an interesting move Thursday, the Steelers released running back Gary Russell, their primary kickoff return man and short-yardage specialist in 2008.

The move was announced at the same time as the team announced it had re-signed quarterback Charlie Batch.

It's likely that this was a salary cap move. With the signings of James Harrison and Batch this week, the Steelers had to be tight against the cap.

Russell wasn't making a lot of money, but the $450,000 or so in base salary he would have earned was likely used to sign Batch.

It also shows how much confidence the Steelers have that running back Rashard Mendenhall will be completely healed from the broken shoulder he suffered early in the 2008 season.

I thought that the Steelers would be close to the cap after signing Batch, but if they're this close up to the cap now, that is just absurd.

so this must mean that we'll give all our draft picks away because we wont have money to sign them :roll: (not that i wanted this putz to be on the team)

RuthlessBurgher
04-16-2009, 09:43 PM
Gary will forever hold a special place in my own personal Steeler lore, since his TD run was the only video I took with my own camera at Super Bowl XLIII in Tampa (I have tons of other pictures from the game, but that was the only time I bothered to use the video function, since I was already recording the game on the DVR at home, and NBC's video was in HD. Mine? Not quite.)

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steelz09
04-16-2009, 09:55 PM
I wonder if this means we are eyeing a RB in the draft.



I hope Steelers don't draft Frank Summers a bit earlier because of this move......

I agree. You can very good RBs very late in the draft. We already have Mendenhall, FWP and Moore on the roster and you only dress 3 on game day.

I'm OK for drafting Summers but not before Round 6 at the earliest.

And FWP AND Moore have proven time and time again that they are not short yardage backs. Mendenhall is unproven. I'm a little worried about Mendenhalls durability to take on the big hits but I think he's definitely got the talent.

To me, this was a stupid move especially when Russel has proved that he can pick up that yard either at the goaline or for the first down.

Dumb move.

stlrz d
04-16-2009, 09:59 PM
I remember a few folks saying once Russell had the chance he was going to be the next great RB for the Steelers.

LMMFAO!

True Fan
04-16-2009, 10:21 PM
I wonder if this means we are eyeing a RB in the draft.



I hope Steelers don't draft Frank Summers a bit earlier because of this move......

I agree. You can very good RBs very late in the draft. We already have Mendenhall, FWP and Moore on the roster and you only dress 3 on game day.

I'm OK for drafting Summers but not before Round 6 at the earliest.

And FWP AND Moore have proven time and time again that they are not short yardage backs. Mendenhall is unproven. I'm a little worried about Mendenhalls durability to take on the big hits but I think he's definitely got the talent.

To me, this was a stupid move especially when Russel has proved that he can pick up that yard either at the goaline or for the first down.
Dumb move.

when did he do this, practice? because he sure in the hell didn't do it very often in games

AngryAsian
04-16-2009, 11:42 PM
No matter what else Russell does or doesn't do in his career he will at least be able to say that he scored a touchdown in the SB while he shows off his ring. Not bad for an UDFA! :tt2

Yeah, I feel bad but at least he has that.


I hope this doesn't bite us in the butt like Vrabel did. I hate when players evolve when they leave the fold. Normally its the opposite, but Vrabel is the only notable I can remember that was released and ended up producing very well elsewhere. Good luck to GR and hope we find our goal line back... I hope its Mendenhall.

Oviedo
04-17-2009, 07:52 AM
It is not impossible that Russell is resigned after the front office restructures some contracts. If this was to get space to sign Batch a deal may have been worked out with Russell and his agent.

I hope it does down that way because I like what Russell offers.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-17-2009, 08:06 AM
Gary was the best short yardage back last year on the 53. He DID it in games. He kept alot of drives going down the stretch. I think some of you went for more chips and missed those plays. I don't like the move. He is very young and started to show some promise. His ST play really started coming on. Knowing the Steelers, there had to be something wrong with his conditioning or he got in trouble. The other scenario could be this. The Steelers talked to Russell and told him they were going to cut him because they needed to get Batch signed immediately since Lefty signed elsewhere. But...They will give him a new multi year deal after they rework some contracts. This might be all a "time table" thing with the draft a week away. I find it hard to believe a young player that had so many contributions, was a team player, and on the rise would be let go if there wasn't a problem. I could think of other guys who were better choices. Let's hope this was a promise & a handshake and he could be back. I think he could be a contributor for the Steelers in the future because #39 won't be here forever!

Oviedo
04-17-2009, 08:38 AM
Gary was the best short yardage back last year on the 53. He DID it in games. He kept alot of drives going down the stretch. I think some of you went for more chips and missed those plays. I don't like the move. He is very young and started to show some promise. His ST play really started coming on. Knowing the Steelers, there had to be something wrong with his conditioning or he got in trouble. The other scenario could be this. The Steelers talked to Russell and told him they were going to cut him because they needed to get Batch signed immediately since Lefty signed elsewhere. But...They will give him a new multi year deal after they rework some contracts. This might be all a "time table" thing with the draft a week away. I find it hard to believe a young player that had so many contributions, was a team player, and on the rise would be let go if there wasn't a problem. I could think of other guys who were better choices. Let's hope this was a promise & a handshake and he could be back. I think he could be a contributor for the Steelers in the future because #39 won't be here forever!

:Agree

Iron Shiek
04-17-2009, 10:19 AM
Gary will forever hold a special place in my own personal Steeler lore, since his TD run was the only video I took with my own camera at Super Bowl XLIII in Tampa (I have tons of other pictures from the game, but that was the only time I bothered to use the video function, since I was already recording the game on the DVR at home, and NBC's video was in HD. Mine? Not quite.)

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The commentary puts it over the top, RB!

And I agree with Jom and others...he very well may come back later on.

stlrz d
04-17-2009, 10:44 AM
Gary will forever hold a special place in my own personal Steeler lore, since his TD run was the only video I took with my own camera at Super Bowl XLIII in Tampa (I have tons of other pictures from the game, but that was the only time I bothered to use the video function, since I was already recording the game on the DVR at home, and NBC's video was in HD. Mine? Not quite.)

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The commentary puts it over the top, RB!

And I agree with Jom and others...he very well may come back later on.

Looked like Kemo held on that play. :P :P :P

As for GR, yes he was the best short yardage back we had. But just because he was the best we had doesn't mean he was great at it or that we can't get someone better at it.

2 years ago he looked great in the pre-season against guys who never saw a regular season NFL roster, but people still insisted he was going to be a beast in the backfield. I didn't think he would be, but hoped like hell that he would prove me wrong. He had a few moments last season, but I'm still waiting and it looks like I'll be forever waiting after this move.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-17-2009, 12:18 PM
[quote=RuthlessBurgher]Gary will forever hold a special place in my own personal Steeler lore, since his TD run was the only video I took with my own camera at Super Bowl XLIII in Tampa (I have tons of other pictures from the game, but that was the only time I bothered to use the video function, since I was already recording the game on the DVR at home, and NBC's video was in HD. Mine? Not quite.)

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The commentary puts it over the top, RB!

And I agree with Jom and others...he very well may come back later on.

Looked like Kemo held on that play. :P :P :P

As for GR, yes he was the best short yardage back we had. But just because he was the best we had doesn't mean he was great at it or that we can't get someone better at it.

2 years ago he looked great in the pre-season against guys who never saw a regular season NFL roster, but people still insisted he was going to be a beast in the backfield. I didn't think he would be, but hoped like hell that he would prove me wrong. He had a few moments last season, but I'm still waiting and it looks like I'll be forever waiting after this move.[/quote:2d545b5q]
And I would agree you can always upgrade but you don't get rid of a guy just because you think you could do better. Usually you get rid of a guy because you have someone better. Mendenhall "might" be that guy. I would of liked to seen it at game speed before I mail in the ballot. Including post season last year, I think 19 of 34 carries by Russell were for 1st downs or TDs. Considering his role, that's production. The preseason "guys will be baggin groceries next week" theory isn't fair. The same guys who will be "bagging groceries" were blocking for him. Consider that too. Russell only had 2 series I recall during the regular season that he was in on 1st down. Limited oportunity, but I liked what I saw. I still feel we don't know the whole story...

stlrz d
04-17-2009, 12:57 PM
I don't disagree that we don't know the whole story because we don't.

Here are his situational stats. http://www.nfl.com/players/garyrussell/ ... =RUS517604 (http://www.nfl.com/players/garyrussell/situationalstats?id=RUS517604)

They're not bad, but nothing about them has me burying my face in my hands and asking why.

papillon
04-17-2009, 01:26 PM
Gary was the best short yardage back last year on the 53. He DID it in games. He kept alot of drives going down the stretch. I think some of you went for more chips and missed those plays. I don't like the move. He is very young and started to show some promise. His ST play really started coming on. Knowing the Steelers, there had to be something wrong with his conditioning or he got in trouble. The other scenario could be this. The Steelers talked to Russell and told him they were going to cut him because they needed to get Batch signed immediately since Lefty signed elsewhere. But...They will give him a new multi year deal after they rework some contracts. This might be all a "time table" thing with the draft a week away. I find it hard to believe a young player that had so many contributions, was a team player, and on the rise would be let go if there wasn't a problem. I could think of other guys who were better choices. Let's hope this was a promise & a handshake and he could be back. I think he could be a contributor for the Steelers in the future because #39 won't be here forever!

Saying that Russell was the best short yardage back the Steelers had last year is kind of like saying that Hartwig was the best center the Steelers had last year. It's true, but, in comparison to the rest of the league the Steelers were lacking in both of those areas. I'm hoping they address the center position in round one or two and the short yardage and versatile back in the later rounds.

Pappy

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-17-2009, 02:00 PM
Gary was the best short yardage back last year on the 53. He DID it in games. He kept alot of drives going down the stretch. I think some of you went for more chips and missed those plays. I don't like the move. He is very young and started to show some promise. His ST play really started coming on. Knowing the Steelers, there had to be something wrong with his conditioning or he got in trouble. The other scenario could be this. The Steelers talked to Russell and told him they were going to cut him because they needed to get Batch signed immediately since Lefty signed elsewhere. But...They will give him a new multi year deal after they rework some contracts. This might be all a "time table" thing with the draft a week away. I find it hard to believe a young player that had so many contributions, was a team player, and on the rise would be let go if there wasn't a problem. I could think of other guys who were better choices. Let's hope this was a promise & a handshake and he could be back. I think he could be a contributor for the Steelers in the future because #39 won't be here forever!

Saying that Russell was the best short yardage back the Steelers had last year is kind of like saying that Hartwig was the best center the Steelers had last year. It's true, but, in comparison to the rest of the league the Steelers were lacking in both of those areas. I'm hoping they address the center position in round one or two and the short yardage and versatile back in the later rounds.

Pappy
Hartwig's past his prime and Russell hasn't hit his. I understand what you are saying Pap but if we use that standard and make personnell decisons based on the rest of the league we would be cutting alot of players. I'm mean Keisel is the best RDE this team has but we could upgrade...Does that we mean cut him? Let's use a young guy. Dennis Dixon didn't do anything yet and can't serve as a #2...Why is he on the roster? See what I mean? Steelers have been known for growing & building from within. He seemed like he would be a perfect project for that. That just leads me to believe there is more behind it.

grotonsteel
04-17-2009, 02:04 PM
Do Steelers have someone on the roster who is better than Gary Russell?? He was there best option in short yardage.

If they wanted to cut Gary Russell after the training camp fine but why now??

I would be really upset if they draft Frank Summers in Rd4 or Rd5.

papillon
04-17-2009, 02:14 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":1uz3jn0v]Gary was the best short yardage back last year on the 53. He DID it in games. He kept alot of drives going down the stretch. I think some of you went for more chips and missed those plays. I don't like the move. He is very young and started to show some promise. His ST play really started coming on. Knowing the Steelers, there had to be something wrong with his conditioning or he got in trouble. The other scenario could be this. The Steelers talked to Russell and told him they were going to cut him because they needed to get Batch signed immediately since Lefty signed elsewhere. But...They will give him a new multi year deal after they rework some contracts. This might be all a "time table" thing with the draft a week away. I find it hard to believe a young player that had so many contributions, was a team player, and on the rise would be let go if there wasn't a problem. I could think of other guys who were better choices. Let's hope this was a promise & a handshake and he could be back. I think he could be a contributor for the Steelers in the future because #39 won't be here forever!

Saying that Russell was the best short yardage back the Steelers had last year is kind of like saying that Hartwig was the best center the Steelers had last year. It's true, but, in comparison to the rest of the league the Steelers were lacking in both of those areas. I'm hoping they address the center position in round one or two and the short yardage and versatile back in the later rounds.

Pappy
Hartwig's past his prime and Russell hasn't hit his. I understand what you are saying Pap but if we use that standard and make personnell decisons based on the rest of the league we would be cutting alot of players. I'm mean Keisel is the best RDE this team has but we could upgrade...Does that we mean cut him? Let's use a young guy. Dennis Dixon didn't do anything yet and can't serve as a #2...Why is he on the roster? See what I mean? Steelers have been known for growing & building from within. He seemed like he would be a perfect project for that. That just leads me to believe there is more behind it.[/quote:1uz3jn0v]

Yea, we could upgrade Kiesel, but, I don't believe there are that many RDEs in a 34 better than him in the NFL. The defense didn't really struggle last year either, so, it's difficult to believe we need to upgrade very much in that department. The offense on the other hand struggled in short yardage situations all year; so, an upgrade is almost mandatory. Hartwig actually rated out as the 32nd center in the NFL last year and he was a noticeable upgrade over Mahan.

I realize we can't have the best at every position and you don't really want that, but, Russell didn't show me (of course, that means very little) enough to worry about him being cut right now. I have to believe that there will be undrafted guys or a wily veteran that can fill his role.

Pappy

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-17-2009, 02:16 PM
I don't disagree that we don't know the whole story because we don't.

Here are his situational stats. http://www.nfl.com/players/garyrussell/ ... =RUS517604 (http://www.nfl.com/players/garyrussell/situationalstats?id=RUS517604)

They're not bad, but nothing about them has me burying my face in my hands and asking why.
That's where I got it from.
No one threw in the towel for the 2009 season because of this. The kid took strides and it wasn't like he had a high salary. There are a hand full of players on this roster right now that would have made more sense. I liked where he was as a 22 year old UDFA. Just my opinion...

Slapstick
04-17-2009, 02:21 PM
I honestly believe that he did something to warrant being cut...

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-17-2009, 02:22 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":ll519bpz]Gary was the best short yardage back last year on the 53. He DID it in games. He kept alot of drives going down the stretch. I think some of you went for more chips and missed those plays. I don't like the move. He is very young and started to show some promise. His ST play really started coming on. Knowing the Steelers, there had to be something wrong with his conditioning or he got in trouble. The other scenario could be this. The Steelers talked to Russell and told him they were going to cut him because they needed to get Batch signed immediately since Lefty signed elsewhere. But...They will give him a new multi year deal after they rework some contracts. This might be all a "time table" thing with the draft a week away. I find it hard to believe a young player that had so many contributions, was a team player, and on the rise would be let go if there wasn't a problem. I could think of other guys who were better choices. Let's hope this was a promise & a handshake and he could be back. I think he could be a contributor for the Steelers in the future because #39 won't be here forever!

Saying that Russell was the best short yardage back the Steelers had last year is kind of like saying that Hartwig was the best center the Steelers had last year. It's true, but, in comparison to the rest of the league the Steelers were lacking in both of those areas. I'm hoping they address the center position in round one or two and the short yardage and versatile back in the later rounds.

Pappy
Hartwig's past his prime and Russell hasn't hit his. I understand what you are saying Pap but if we use that standard and make personnell decisons based on the rest of the league we would be cutting alot of players. I'm mean Keisel is the best RDE this team has but we could upgrade...Does that we mean cut him? Let's use a young guy. Dennis Dixon didn't do anything yet and can't serve as a #2...Why is he on the roster? See what I mean? Steelers have been known for growing & building from within. He seemed like he would be a perfect project for that. That just leads me to believe there is more behind it.

Yea, we could upgrade Kiesel, but, I don't believe there are that many RDEs in a 34 better than him in the NFL. The defense didn't really struggle last year either, so, it's difficult to believe we need to upgrade very much in that department. The offense on the other hand struggled in short yardage situations all year; so, an upgrade is almost mandatory. Hartwig actually rated out as the 32nd center in the NFL last year and he was a noticeable upgrade over Mahan.

I realize we can't have the best at every position and you don't really want that, but, Russell didn't show me (of course, that means very little) enough to worry about him being cut right now. I have to believe that there will be undrafted guys or a wily veteran that can fill his role.

Pappy[/quote:ll519bpz]

The defense was great as a unit. Individually, Keisel is probably in the bottom 25% of 3-4 DEs. The funny thing Pap is you say the short yardage was bad but they went all the way down the depth chart to Russell to find production. So cut your most productive player in short yardage that returns kicks and covers. Throw in the fact he is 22 and growing as a football player. Doesn't make sense.

papillon
04-17-2009, 02:31 PM
[quote=papillon][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":1pt0jf4k]Gary was the best short yardage back last year on the 53. He DID it in games. He kept alot of drives going down the stretch. I think some of you went for more chips and missed those plays. I don't like the move. He is very young and started to show some promise. His ST play really started coming on. Knowing the Steelers, there had to be something wrong with his conditioning or he got in trouble. The other scenario could be this. The Steelers talked to Russell and told him they were going to cut him because they needed to get Batch signed immediately since Lefty signed elsewhere. But...They will give him a new multi year deal after they rework some contracts. This might be all a "time table" thing with the draft a week away. I find it hard to believe a young player that had so many contributions, was a team player, and on the rise would be let go if there wasn't a problem. I could think of other guys who were better choices. Let's hope this was a promise & a handshake and he could be back. I think he could be a contributor for the Steelers in the future because #39 won't be here forever!

Saying that Russell was the best short yardage back the Steelers had last year is kind of like saying that Hartwig was the best center the Steelers had last year. It's true, but, in comparison to the rest of the league the Steelers were lacking in both of those areas. I'm hoping they address the center position in round one or two and the short yardage and versatile back in the later rounds.

Pappy
Hartwig's past his prime and Russell hasn't hit his. I understand what you are saying Pap but if we use that standard and make personnell decisons based on the rest of the league we would be cutting alot of players. I'm mean Keisel is the best RDE this team has but we could upgrade...Does that we mean cut him? Let's use a young guy. Dennis Dixon didn't do anything yet and can't serve as a #2...Why is he on the roster? See what I mean? Steelers have been known for growing & building from within. He seemed like he would be a perfect project for that. That just leads me to believe there is more behind it.

Yea, we could upgrade Kiesel, but, I don't believe there are that many RDEs in a 34 better than him in the NFL. The defense didn't really struggle last year either, so, it's difficult to believe we need to upgrade very much in that department. The offense on the other hand struggled in short yardage situations all year; so, an upgrade is almost mandatory. Hartwig actually rated out as the 32nd center in the NFL last year and he was a noticeable upgrade over Mahan.

I realize we can't have the best at every position and you don't really want that, but, Russell didn't show me (of course, that means very little) enough to worry about him being cut right now. I have to believe that there will be undrafted guys or a wily veteran that can fill his role.

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The defense was great as a unit. Individually, Keisel is probably in the bottom 25% of 3-4 DEs. The funny thing Pap is you say the short yardage was bad but they went all the way down the depth chart to Russell to find production. So cut your most productive player in short yardage that returns kicks and covers. Throw in the fact he is 22 and growing as a football player. Doesn't make sense.[/quote:1pt0jf4k]

They were pretty much forced down the depth chart after Mendenhall was injured, Parker isn't that guy and he was injured, Moore was a great 3rd down back, but not a bruiser that could move the pile if necessary, that left Davis and Russell. Getting to the bottom of the depth chart for short yardage was more out of necessity than anything.

I'm not enough of an evaluator of talent to say whether or not Kiesel is that low in the league at RDE, but judging by Harrison's tackle numbers Kiesel must have done something right by keeping blockers off of Harrison for him to record the number of tackles that he did.

Russell certainly seemed to have a big upside a couple of years ago, but it never panned out. Maybe, all he needs is time, similar to other rookie/1st year players, but, it seems the Steelers should be able to find someone to do the job he was doing either in the draft or FA after camp cuts. If they bring him back that would be fine by me as well.

Pappy

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-17-2009, 04:28 PM
They were pretty much forced down the depth chart after Mendenhall was injured, Parker isn't that guy and he was injured, Moore was a great 3rd down back, but not a bruiser that could move the pile if necessary, that left Davis and Russell. Getting to the bottom of the depth chart for short yardage was more out of necessity than anything.

I'm not enough of an evaluator of talent to say whether or not Kiesel is that low in the league at RDE, but judging by Harrison's tackle numbers Kiesel must have done something right by keeping blockers off of Harrison for him to record the number of tackles that he did.

Russell certainly seemed to have a big upside a couple of years ago, but it never panned out. Maybe, all he needs is time, similar to other rookie/1st year players, but, it seems the Steelers should be able to find someone to do the job he was doing either in the draft or FA after camp cuts. If they bring him back that would be fine by me as well.

Pappy
Even when Parker was healthy and Davenport was here they were not productive in short yardage with a better line. Like I said, Mendenhall "might" be the guy but his injury posponed that answer. You are right...Parker & Moore are not the guy for that. So it was forced to Russell because of his ability and lack of the other two. Being a goaline/short yardage back has more to do with vision and leg drive rather than athletic ability. To my point exactly now, we know Parker & Moore aren't the guy & we don't know if Mendenhall is either. Kinda dropped our pants...For now. I would love to see Russell back if he didn't get in trouble. Unfortunately, the Steelers are very high on Summers and we know what happens when they like someone. As far as Keisel, he is adequate and does is job. He never lived up to his contract and probably grew out of his natural position. I think he would have been better served to trim down to be a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. He plays a little to upright against OL but he does keep the OL off of the ILBs onside. Harrison is a product of himself and his hustle. Keisel's ability to get to the sideline has helped match up Harrison against TEs & FBs on onside runs but I don't think he will be up for a new deal. An upgrade is in the near future if the draft is good to them.

frankthetank1
04-18-2009, 06:29 PM
this was a bad move for the fo imo. russell has a lot of potential he is still a very young player. why keep davis and get rid of russell? if any position needed an upgrade its fb. there are a lot of other guys on the roster i would of cut in order to sign batch. i think russell will be a good player in the nfl