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Steeler Mafia
04-10-2009, 10:21 AM
(Full 1st round draft board)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-mock-draft.htm

1st Round USAToday
Player Selected NFL Analysts
By the Steelers Prediction
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Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee Jim Corbett

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois Nate Davis

Alex Mack, C, California Derek Harper

Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee Sean Leahy

Larry English, LB, Northern Illinois Matt Pitzer

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois Rob Rang

Alex Mack, C, California Larry Weisman

Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest Scott Zucker


:wft I don't get it. Am I missing somethin? I know we need DB help as well as to bring in some young guys for our D-Line, but this one "anal-cyst" has us picking a LB in round 1? To me, anything short of an OL pick in round one is a wasted pick. We can get a DL and DB in the later rounds and still be pretty good.

stlrz d
04-10-2009, 10:31 AM
This is why mocks are foolish, a waste of time, stupid, don't mean anything, etc, etc, etc....

There are many things I like about the draft...and one of those things is that once the draft arrives there are no more f***ing mocks!!!!!

RuthlessBurgher
04-10-2009, 10:32 AM
(Full 1st round draft board)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-mock-draft.htm

1st Round USAToday
Player Selected NFL Analysts
By the Steelers Prediction
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Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee Jim Corbett

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois Nate Davis

Alex Mack, C, California Derek Harper

Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee Sean Leahy

Larry English, LB, Northern Illinois Matt Pitzer

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois Rob Rang

Alex Mack, C, California Larry Weisman

Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest Scott Zucker


:wft I don't get it. Am I missing somethin? I know we need DB help as well as to bring in some young guys for our D-Line, but this one "anal-cyst" has us picking a LB in round 1? To me, anything short of an OL pick in round one is a wasted pick. We can get a DL and DB in the later rounds and still be pretty good.

Ayers is also one of those 4-3 DE / 3-4 OLB hybrids, so 3 out of 8 guys want us to spend our first round pick on a position currently manned by James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley, both of whom had double digit sacks last season.

RuthlessBurgher
04-10-2009, 10:35 AM
This is why mocks are foolish, a waste of time, stupid, don't mean anything, etc, etc, etc....

There are many things I like about the draft...and one of those things is that once the draft arrives there are no more f***ing mocks!!!!!

Except for my mocks, of course. My mocks f***ing RULE!!! :lol:

Just for you, stlrz_d (with Renegade playing in the background as each pick is announced)

1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St Louis Jason Smith OT Baylor
3 Kansas City Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland BJ Raji DT Boston College
6 Cincinnati Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
7 Oakland Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
8 Jacksonville Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
9 Green Bay Michael Oher OT Mississippi
10 San Francisco Andre Smith OT Alabama
11 Buffalo Brian Orakpo OLB Texas
12 Denver Mark Sanchez QB USC
13 Washington Everette Brown DE Florida State
14 New Orleans Chris Wells RB Ohio State
15 Houston Vontae Davis CB Illinois
16 San Diego Eben Britton OT Arizona
17 NY Jets Tyson Jackson DE LSU
18 Denver (from Chicago) Aaron Maybin OLB Penn State
19 Tampa Bay Josh Freeman QB Kansas State
20 Detroit (from Dallas) William Beatty OT Connecticut
21 Philadelphia Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
22 Minnesota Darius Butler CB Connecticut
23 New England Rey Maualuga ILB USC
24 Atlanta Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St
25 Miami Percy Harvin WR Florida
26 Baltimore Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
27 Indianapolis Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
29 NY Giants Brian Cushing OLB USC
30 Tennessee Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
31 Arizona Donald Brown RB Connecticut
32 Pittsburgh Alex Mack C California

33 Detroit Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT Missouri
34 New England (from Kansas City) Larry English OLB Northern Illinois
35 St. Louis James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State
36 Cleveland Clay Matthews OLB USC
37 Seattle Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
38 Cincinnati Max Unger C Oregon
39 Jacksonville DJ Moore CB Vanderbilt
40 Oakland Robert Ayers DE Tennessee
41 Green Bay Ron Brace NT Boston College
42 Buffalo Jared Cook TE South Carolina
43 San Francisco Louis Delmas S Western Michigan
44 Miami (from Washington) Clint Sintim OLB Virginia
45 NY Giants (from New Orleans) Kenny Britt WR Rutgers
46 Houston William Moore S Missouri
47 New England (from San Diego) Sean Smith CB/S Utah
48 Denver Victor "Macho" Harris CB Virginia Tech
49 Chicago Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina
50 Cleveland (from Tampa Bay) Eric Wood C Louisville
51 Dallas Rashad Johnson S Alabama
52 NY Jets Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
53 Philadelphia Phil Loadholdt OT Oklahoma
54 Minnesota Jamon Meredith OT South Carolina
55 Atlanta Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
56 Miami Jairus Byrd CB Oregon
57 Baltimore Fili Moala DE USC
58 New England Andy Levitre OG Oregon State
59 Carolina Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
60 NY Giants Patrick Chung S Oregon
61 Indianapolis LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
62 Tennessee Derrick Williams WR Penn State
63 Arizona Cody Brown OLB Connecticut
64 Pittsburgh Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State

stlrz d
04-10-2009, 10:37 AM
This is why mocks are foolish, a waste of time, stupid, don't mean anything, etc, etc, etc....

There are many things I like about the draft...and one of those things is that once the draft arrives there are no more f***ing mocks!!!!!

Except for my mocks, of course. My mocks f***ing RULE!!! :lol:

Just for you, stlrz_d (with Renegade playing in the background as each pick is announced)

1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St Louis Jason Smith OT Baylor
3 Kansas City Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland BJ Raji DT Boston College
6 Cincinnati Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
7 Oakland Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
8 Jacksonville Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
9 Green Bay Michael Oher OT Mississippi
10 San Francisco Andre Smith OT Alabama
11 Buffalo Brian Orakpo OLB Texas
12 Denver Mark Sanchez QB USC
13 Washington Everette Brown DE Florida State
14 New Orleans Chris Wells RB Ohio State
15 Houston Vontae Davis CB Illinois
16 San Diego Eben Britton OT Arizona
17 NY Jets Tyson Jackson DE LSU
18 Denver (from Chicago) Aaron Maybin OLB Penn State
19 Tampa Bay Josh Freeman QB Kansas State
20 Detroit (from Dallas) William Beatty OT Connecticut
21 Philadelphia Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
22 Minnesota Darius Butler CB Connecticut
23 New England Rey Maualuga ILB USC
24 Atlanta Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St
25 Miami Percy Harvin WR Florida
26 Baltimore Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
27 Indianapolis Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
29 NY Giants Brian Cushing OLB USC
30 Tennessee Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
31 Arizona Donald Brown RB Connecticut
32 Pittsburgh Alex Mack C California

33 Detroit Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT Missouri
34 New England (from Kansas City) Larry English OLB Northern Illinois
35 St. Louis James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State
36 Cleveland Clay Matthews OLB USC
37 Seattle Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
38 Cincinnati Max Unger C Oregon
39 Jacksonville DJ Moore CB Vanderbilt
40 Oakland Robert Ayers DE Tennessee
41 Green Bay Ron Brace NT Boston College
42 Buffalo Jared Cook TE South Carolina
43 San Francisco Louis Delmas S Western Michigan
44 Miami (from Washington) Clint Sintim OLB Virginia
45 NY Giants (from New Orleans) Kenny Britt WR Rutgers
46 Houston William Moore S Missouri
47 New England (from San Diego) Sean Smith CB/S Utah
48 Denver Victor "Macho" Harris CB Virginia Tech
49 Chicago Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina
50 Cleveland (from Tampa Bay) Eric Wood C Louisville
51 Dallas Rashad Johnson S Alabama
52 NY Jets Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
53 Philadelphia Phil Loadholdt OT Oklahoma
54 Minnesota Jamon Meredith OT South Carolina
55 Atlanta Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
56 Miami Jairus Byrd CB Oregon
57 Baltimore Fili Moala DE USC
58 New England Andy Levitre OG Oregon State
59 Carolina Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
60 NY Giants Patrick Chung S Oregon
61 Indianapolis LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
62 Tennessee Derrick Williams WR Penn State
63 Arizona Cody Brown OLB Connecticut
64 Pittsburgh Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State

http://images.inmagine.com/img/photoalto/paa241/paa241000018.jpg

SidSmythe
04-10-2009, 10:48 AM
If Mack's available it's Him. plain and simple!!
Just like the Heath Miller year, this is our guy

Discipline of Steel
04-10-2009, 11:11 AM
(Full 1st round draft board)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-mock-draft.htm

1st Round USAToday
Player Selected NFL Analysts
By the Steelers Prediction
--------------------------- -----------------

Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee Jim Corbett

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois Nate Davis

Alex Mack, C, California Derek Harper

Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee Sean Leahy

Larry English, LB, Northern Illinois Matt Pitzer

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois Rob Rang

Alex Mack, C, California Larry Weisman

Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest Scott Zucker


:wft I don't get it. Am I missing somethin? I know we need DB help as well as to bring in some young guys for our D-Line, but this one "anal-cyst" has us picking a LB in round 1? To me, anything short of an OL pick in round one is a wasted pick. We can get a DL and DB in the later rounds and still be pretty good.

Ayers is also one of those 4-3 DE / 3-4 OLB hybrids, so 3 out of 8 guys want us to spend our first round pick on a position currently manned by James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley, both of whom had double digit sacks last season.

and 2 of these cornholes want us to take Vontae Davis... Im not sold on a guy who was always in the doghouse and could end up a distraction in the locker room with his 'me first' attitude.

pfelix73
04-10-2009, 11:22 AM
"To me, anything short of an OL pick in round one is a wasted pick. We can get a DL and DB in the later rounds and still be pretty good."

Hope you aren't disappointed come draft day........

We need CB's, DL, before we need OL.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-10-2009, 11:44 AM
This is why mocks are foolish, a waste of time, stupid, don't mean anything, etc, etc, etc....

There are many things I like about the draft...and one of those things is that once the draft arrives there are no more f***ing mocks!!!!!

Except for my mocks, of course. My mocks f***ing RULE!!! :lol:

Just for you, stlrz_d (with Renegade playing in the background as each pick is announced)

1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St Louis Jason Smith OT Baylor
3 Kansas City Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland BJ Raji DT Boston College
6 Cincinnati Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
7 Oakland Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
8 Jacksonville Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
9 Green Bay Michael Oher OT Mississippi
10 San Francisco Andre Smith OT Alabama
11 Buffalo Brian Orakpo OLB Texas
12 Denver Mark Sanchez QB USC
13 Washington Everette Brown DE Florida State
14 New Orleans Chris Wells RB Ohio State
15 Houston Vontae Davis CB Illinois
16 San Diego Eben Britton OT Arizona
17 NY Jets Tyson Jackson DE LSU
18 Denver (from Chicago) Aaron Maybin OLB Penn State
19 Tampa Bay Josh Freeman QB Kansas State
20 Detroit (from Dallas) William Beatty OT Connecticut
21 Philadelphia Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
22 Minnesota Darius Butler CB Connecticut
23 New England Rey Maualuga ILB USC
24 Atlanta Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St
25 Miami Percy Harvin WR Florida
26 Baltimore Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
27 Indianapolis Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
29 NY Giants Brian Cushing OLB USC
30 Tennessee Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
31 Arizona Donald Brown RB Connecticut
32 Pittsburgh Alex Mack C California

33 Detroit Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT Missouri
34 New England (from Kansas City) Larry English OLB Northern Illinois
35 St. Louis James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State
36 Cleveland Clay Matthews OLB USC
37 Seattle Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
38 Cincinnati Max Unger C Oregon
39 Jacksonville DJ Moore CB Vanderbilt
40 Oakland Robert Ayers DE Tennessee
41 Green Bay Ron Brace NT Boston College
42 Buffalo Jared Cook TE South Carolina
43 San Francisco Louis Delmas S Western Michigan
44 Miami (from Washington) Clint Sintim OLB Virginia
45 NY Giants (from New Orleans) Kenny Britt WR Rutgers
46 Houston William Moore S Missouri
47 New England (from San Diego) Sean Smith CB/S Utah
48 Denver Victor "Macho" Harris CB Virginia Tech
49 Chicago Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina
50 Cleveland (from Tampa Bay) Eric Wood C Louisville
51 Dallas Rashad Johnson S Alabama
52 NY Jets Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
53 Philadelphia Phil Loadholdt OT Oklahoma
54 Minnesota Jamon Meredith OT South Carolina
55 Atlanta Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
56 Miami Jairus Byrd CB Oregon
57 Baltimore Fili Moala DE USC
58 New England Andy Levitre OG Oregon State
59 Carolina Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
60 NY Giants Patrick Chung S Oregon
61 Indianapolis LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
62 Tennessee Derrick Williams WR Penn State
63 Arizona Cody Brown OLB Connecticut
64 Pittsburgh Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State

Nice! That was my mock before the one in my sig. We can pray we get Mack and Gilbert staying put. I just think Mack will be off the board @ #32 and Gilbert will be gone in the 1st 15 of round #2. I still have Hill @ #96. Talk me back into thinking Mack will be there @ #32 and Gilbert @ #64...Make these next 2 weeks easier! :wink:

RuthlessBurgher
04-10-2009, 12:10 PM
If Mack's available it's Him. plain and simple!!
Just like the Heath Miller year, this is our guy

Notice how he capitalized the "Him" when referring to Mack as if he were a deity. :wink:

RuthlessBurgher
04-10-2009, 12:12 PM
"To me, anything short of an OL pick in round one is a wasted pick. We can get a DL and DB in the later rounds and still be pretty good."

Hope you aren't disappointed come draft day........

We need CB's, DL, before we need OL.

Let's just say we need all three. Although we all have our preferences about where the top priority should lie, the way the draft falls in front of us will be the biggest thing that determines in which order they are taken.

RuthlessBurgher
04-10-2009, 12:15 PM
Nice! That was my mock before the one in my sig. We can pray we get Mack and Gilbert staying put. I just think Mack will be off the board @ #32 and Gilbert will be gone in the 1st 15 of round #2. I still have Hill @ #96. Talk me back into thinking Mack will be there @ #32 and Gilbert @ #64...Make these next 2 weeks easier! :wink:

Hey, anything's possible! But if the team likes Mack and/or Gilbert as much as the two of us seem to, I would not be surprised at all to see a trade-up to get their guy. It happened last time we were defending champs, moving from 32 to 25 to get Santonio.

steelcityrules!!
04-10-2009, 09:04 PM
I've said it before, and I say it again... it's going to be BPA.

that could be CB
that could be WR
that could be ILB
that could be OT

The more I look at it, the less I see center being the selection when there are a boatload of real quality options to be had there at later rounds.

they feel lightning struck twice last year, having a top 10 guy fall to them in the 20's and a legit 1st round talent fall to them at the end of the second.

I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

RuthlessBurgher
04-11-2009, 10:27 AM
I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

I agree with this for the most part, but why do you say "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" instead of just "unless a true top talent gets within striking distance" :?:

If a top OT prospect like Michael Oher falls within striking distance, I think we are more likely to trade up to get a guy like that (since both of our starting tackles have contracts that will expire after this season and will be expensive to retain) than a guy at a skill position.

Steeler Mafia
04-13-2009, 11:12 AM
If Alex Mack falls to us at the 32nd pick, I just don't see how we can pass "HIM" up. Skill positions or not, we need some major help on the offfensive line, especially now that we have lost a few to FA.

Oviedo
04-13-2009, 11:31 AM
I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

I agree with this for the most part, but why do you say "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" instead of just "unless a true top talent gets within striking distance" :?:

If a top OT prospect like Michael Oher falls within striking distance, I think we are more likely to trade up to get a guy like that (since both of our starting tackles have contracts that will expire after this season and will be expensive to retain) than a guy at a skill position.

I never like giving up a Round 2 pick because we hit homeruns in Round 2, but for discussion sake where would Oher play? The Steelers obviously like Colon at RT even if we all do not. I think if we are looking for a OT who won't start until next season then we are going to see the FO take then in Rounds 2-5. I could see Phil Loadholdt at 2.64 as a real possibility.

RuthlessBurgher
04-13-2009, 12:29 PM
I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

I agree with this for the most part, but why do you say "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" instead of just "unless a true top talent gets within striking distance" :?:

If a top OT prospect like Michael Oher falls within striking distance, I think we are more likely to trade up to get a guy like that (since both of our starting tackles have contracts that will expire after this season and will be expensive to retain) than a guy at a skill position.

I never like giving up a Round 2 pick because we hit homeruns in Round 2, but for discussion sake where would Oher play? The Steelers obviously like Colon at RT even if we all do not. I think if we are looking for a OT who won't start until next season then we are going to see the FO take then in Rounds 2-5. I could see Phil Loadholdt at 2.64 as a real possibility.

The Steelers never make their draft picks based on who they think has the best chance of starting as a rookie...they would prefer not to have to start a rookie. Their team-building vision is always a couple of years down the road at least.

Last season, the rookie who made the most impact was UDFA Patrick Bailey. Does that mean the '08 draft was a bust? No way!

Timmons and Woodley didn't start as rookies. Does that mean that the '07 draft was a bust? No way!

If they could get Oher, it would mean that would have a legit OT locked up for the 2010 season (which is when the front office typically starts to expect a return on their draft picks...starting in year two) and they wouldn't have to tie up so much of their cap in trying to re-sign both Starks and Colon after this season.

Perhaps Oher could compete with Colon at RT as a rookie, or even with Stapleton to start at RG before moving back to tackle in year 2 (he started 10 games at guard during his first season at Ole Miss before moving to tackle).

Oviedo
04-13-2009, 12:48 PM
I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

I agree with this for the most part, but why do you say "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" instead of just "unless a true top talent gets within striking distance" :?:

If a top OT prospect like Michael Oher falls within striking distance, I think we are more likely to trade up to get a guy like that (since both of our starting tackles have contracts that will expire after this season and will be expensive to retain) than a guy at a skill position.

I never like giving up a Round 2 pick because we hit homeruns in Round 2, but for discussion sake where would Oher play? The Steelers obviously like Colon at RT even if we all do not. I think if we are looking for a OT who won't start until next season then we are going to see the FO take then in Rounds 2-5. I could see Phil Loadholdt at 2.64 as a real possibility.

The Steelers never make their draft picks based on who they think has the best chance of starting as a rookie...they would prefer not to have to start a rookie. Their team-building vision is always a couple of years down the road at least.

Last season, the rookie who made the most impact was UDFA Patrick Bailey. Does that mean the '08 draft was a bust? No way!

Timmons and Woodley didn't start as rookies. Does that mean that the '07 draft was a bust? No way!

If they could get Oher, it would mean that would have a legit OT locked up for the 2010 season (which is when the front office typically starts to expect a return on their draft picks...starting in year two) and they wouldn't have to tie up so much of their cap in trying to re-sign both Starks and Colon after this season.

Perhaps Oher could compete with Colon at RT as a rookie, or even with Stapleton to start at RG before moving back to tackle in year 2 (he started 10 games at guard during his first season at Ole Miss before moving to tackle).

The positions make the difference. OL is about teamwork and continuity. Woodley and Timmons did not start as rookies but they did play because on defense you can run a rotation. On the OL when is the last time you saw someone step in and play short of an injury. You don't run rotations on the OL which means a rookie who could not start would be asked to step in as a starter in 2010 with no real experience.

Oher playing Guard is a good point but I could get a player in Round 2 in Phil Loadholdt who could also OJT him as a Guard since he is a monster and not give away my Round 2 pick to move up in Round 1.

RuthlessBurgher
04-13-2009, 01:01 PM
I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

I agree with this for the most part, but why do you say "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" instead of just "unless a true top talent gets within striking distance" :?:

If a top OT prospect like Michael Oher falls within striking distance, I think we are more likely to trade up to get a guy like that (since both of our starting tackles have contracts that will expire after this season and will be expensive to retain) than a guy at a skill position.

I never like giving up a Round 2 pick because we hit homeruns in Round 2, but for discussion sake where would Oher play? The Steelers obviously like Colon at RT even if we all do not. I think if we are looking for a OT who won't start until next season then we are going to see the FO take then in Rounds 2-5. I could see Phil Loadholdt at 2.64 as a real possibility.

The Steelers never make their draft picks based on who they think has the best chance of starting as a rookie...they would prefer not to have to start a rookie. Their team-building vision is always a couple of years down the road at least.

Last season, the rookie who made the most impact was UDFA Patrick Bailey. Does that mean the '08 draft was a bust? No way!

Timmons and Woodley didn't start as rookies. Does that mean that the '07 draft was a bust? No way!

If they could get Oher, it would mean that would have a legit OT locked up for the 2010 season (which is when the front office typically starts to expect a return on their draft picks...starting in year two) and they wouldn't have to tie up so much of their cap in trying to re-sign both Starks and Colon after this season.

Perhaps Oher could compete with Colon at RT as a rookie, or even with Stapleton to start at RG before moving back to tackle in year 2 (he started 10 games at guard during his first season at Ole Miss before moving to tackle).

The positions make the difference. OL is about teamwork and continuity. Woodley and Timmons did not start as rookies but they did play because on defense you can run a rotation. On the OL when is the last time you saw someone step in and play short of an injury. You don't run rotations on the OL which means a rookie who could not start would be asked to step in as a starter in 2010 with no real experience.

Oher playing Guard is a good point but I could get a player in Round 2 in Phil Loadholdt who could also OJT him as a Guard since he is a monster and not give away my Round 2 pick to move up in Round 1.

I don't see the team trading away a 2nd round pick either (I was promoting the Oher trade-up possibility when I thought we would have 2 third round picks instead of 2 fifth round picks, which would have been more palatable). I would have been happy with Oher and then two third round picks (if you remember, in the Santonio deal, we traded a 3rd and 4th to NYG, then traded our 2nd to MIN for 2 third round picks...which is why I thought that getting the guy you want in the first then having 2 third rounders would be a good thing...assuming those 3rd rounders would turn out better than Anthony Smith and Willie Reid that year). In this thread, I was merely questioning why he had to put "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" since we have more needs at non-skill positions this year than at skill positions, so if we were going to trade up for anyone, it would be more a big ugly, in my mind.

Oviedo
04-13-2009, 02:17 PM
I'd actually like to trade down 5-8 picks into Round 2 and get another 3 or 4 and thenreally stock up on the OL and DL.

If a future Center is really a priority we could get someone like Wood or Unger. Getting a top third pick in Round 2 plus our 2.64 would still allow us to get a couple very good linemen on both sides of the ball.

steelcityrules!!
04-13-2009, 08:15 PM
I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

I agree with this for the most part, but why do you say "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" instead of just "unless a true top talent gets within striking distance" :?:

If a top OT prospect like Michael Oher falls within striking distance, I think we are more likely to trade up to get a guy like that (since both of our starting tackles have contracts that will expire after this season and will be expensive to retain) than a guy at a skill position.

The only reason I threw in the SKILL POSITION tidbit was simply based on colbert draft history. I think his philosophy regarding moving up for that targeted player when he falls within striking distance has mostly been for skill players. His penchant for addressing the lines in latter rounds historically led me to say that.

not saying he wouldn't move up for a top tackle, i just feel (after reading about it in a couple of different spots) that he prefers to draft or go after a WR/safety/TE on day one and mold the linemen who are raw talents.

Steeler Mafia
04-14-2009, 10:49 AM
The last CB that the Steelers took in the first round was Chad Scott in '97. He wasn't that special. In hindsight, he most certainly didn't warrent a first round selelction. I don't see them making the same mistake this year by passing up their OL needs. Unless something unbelievable happens during picks 1 through 31, don't expect the FO to reach for an undervalued CB when they can get a more valued CB prospect in rounds 3 through 7. Remember, Ike Taylor wasn't picked up until round 3 in '03. Deshea Townsand wasn't selected until round 4 in '98. True value can be found in the later rounds. Of all the times we have selected a CB in the first round, only one really panned out to be really special and was worthy of the selection. Any guesses to who that might be?


Here's a hint: Dafted as the 10th overall pick in '87 out of Purdue. Very recently inducted into the Hall of Fame.

Oviedo
04-14-2009, 11:10 AM
The last CB that the Steelers took in the first round was Chad Scott in '97. He wasn't that special. In hindsight, he most certainly didn't warrent a first round selelction. I don't see them making the same mistake this year by passing up their OL needs. Unless something unbelievable happens during picks 1 through 31, don't expect the FO to reach for an undervalued CB when they can get a more valued CB prospect in rounds 3 through 7. Remember, Ike Taylor wasn't picked up until round 3 in '03. Deshea Townsand wasn't selected until round 4 in '98. True value can be found in the later rounds. Of all the times we have selected a CB in the first round, only one really panned out to be really special and was worthy of the selection. Any guesses to who that might be?


Here's a hint: Dafted as the 10th overall pick in '87 out of Purdue. Very recently inducted into the Hall of Fame.

Couldn't agree more. Asante Samuel was a Round 4 pick out of UCF. Get Joe Burnett out of UCF in Round 4 this year and we will get a quality player. Most people don't understand that LeBeau's defense does not require a man to man coverage "shutdown" (myth) CB. His system relies more on a zone coverage CB of which there are many in the mid rounds.

CB is the most overhyped position in the NFL.

RuthlessBurgher
04-14-2009, 01:51 PM
[quote="steelcityrules!!":198u9haj]I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

I agree with this for the most part, but why do you say "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" instead of just "unless a true top talent gets within striking distance" :?:

If a top OT prospect like Michael Oher falls within striking distance, I think we are more likely to trade up to get a guy like that (since both of our starting tackles have contracts that will expire after this season and will be expensive to retain) than a guy at a skill position.

The only reason I threw in the SKILL POSITION tidbit was simply based on colbert draft history. I think his philosophy regarding moving up for that targeted player when he falls within striking distance has mostly been for skill players. His penchant for addressing the lines in latter rounds historically led me to say that.

not saying he wouldn't move up for a top tackle, i just feel (after reading about it in a couple of different spots) that he prefers to draft or go after a WR/safety/TE on day one and mold the linemen who are raw talents.[/quote:198u9haj]

Draft Trades during the Colbert era (off the top of my head)

Traded down in the first for NT Casey Hampton
Traded up in the first for S Troy Polamalu
Traded up in the first for WR Santonio Holmes
Traded up in the second for CB Ricardo Colclough
Traded down in the second for 2 third round picks (S Anthony Smith and WR Willie Reid)
Traded up in the fourth for P Daniel Sepulveda
Traded down in the fourth for OT Tony Hills

Any other draft day trades that I am missing?

steelcityrules!!
04-14-2009, 10:36 PM
[quote="steelcityrules!!":38ppa3yr]I see them letting the best talent fall in their laps unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance that they have been eyeing.

I agree with this for the most part, but why do you say "unless a true top talent at a skill position gets within striking distance" instead of just "unless a true top talent gets within striking distance" :?:

If a top OT prospect like Michael Oher falls within striking distance, I think we are more likely to trade up to get a guy like that (since both of our starting tackles have contracts that will expire after this season and will be expensive to retain) than a guy at a skill position.

The only reason I threw in the SKILL POSITION tidbit was simply based on colbert draft history. I think his philosophy regarding moving up for that targeted player when he falls within striking distance has mostly been for skill players. His penchant for addressing the lines in latter rounds historically led me to say that.

not saying he wouldn't move up for a top tackle, i just feel (after reading about it in a couple of different spots) that he prefers to draft or go after a WR/safety/TE on day one and mold the linemen who are raw talents.

Draft Trades during the Colbert era (off the top of my head)

Traded down in the first for NT Casey Hampton
Traded up in the first for S Troy Polamalu
Traded up in the first for WR Santonio Holmes
Traded up in the second for CB Ricardo Colclough
Traded down in the second for 2 third round picks (S Anthony Smith and WR Willie Reid)
Traded up in the fourth for P Daniel Sepulveda
Traded down in the fourth for OT Tony Hills

Any other draft day trades that I am missing?[/quote:38ppa3yr]
I guess that sort of follows along with my thinking...
the only trading up has been for "skill" guys, CB, S, WR, and punter.

steelcityrules!!
04-14-2009, 11:02 PM
The last CB that the Steelers took in the first round was Chad Scott in '97. He wasn't that special. In hindsight, he most certainly didn't warrent a first round selelction. I don't see them making the same mistake this year by passing up their OL needs. Unless something unbelievable happens during picks 1 through 31, don't expect the FO to reach for an undervalued CB when they can get a more valued CB prospect in rounds 3 through 7. Remember, Ike Taylor wasn't picked up until round 3 in '03. Deshea Townsand wasn't selected until round 4 in '98. True value can be found in the later rounds. Of all the times we have selected a CB in the first round, only one really panned out to be really special and was worthy of the selection. Any guesses to who that might be?


Here's a hint: Dafted as the 10th overall pick in '87 out of Purdue. Very recently inducted into the Hall of Fame.


just because the stillers haven't drafted corners high doesn't mean top CB's aren't worth it. On top of that, there is a reason why Ike was drafted in round 4 (not 3) and that is a lack of smarts and terrible hands.

the same arguement for 3-4 defensive linemen and guards/centers is brought up routinely... great value can be had in the later rounds.

I personally would love to have revis, arron ross, rodgers-cromartie, or the other cromartie over any of our current corners... and we'd have significantly more interceptions in our stat books.

point is, saying top CB's are a waste was the same lame arguement that I put up on these message boards over the last 3 years about WR's.

I was wrong, as our latest superbowl MVP has shown us. It's about talent, and fitting within systems.

Steeler Mafia
04-15-2009, 10:00 AM
[quote="Steeler Mafia":zfd73hwu]The last CB that the Steelers took in the first round was Chad Scott in '97. He wasn't that special. In hindsight, he most certainly didn't warrent a first round selelction. I don't see them making the same mistake this year by passing up their OL needs. Unless something unbelievable happens during picks 1 through 31, don't expect the FO to reach for an undervalued CB when they can get a more valued CB prospect in rounds 3 through 7. Remember, Ike Taylor wasn't picked up until round 3 in '03. Deshea Townsand wasn't selected until round 4 in '98. True value can be found in the later rounds. Of all the times we have selected a CB in the first round, only one really panned out to be really special and was worthy of the selection. Any guesses to who that might be?


Here's a hint: Dafted as the 10th overall pick in '87 out of Purdue. Very recently inducted into the Hall of Fame.


just because the stillers haven't drafted corners high doesn't mean top CB's aren't worth it. On top of that, there is a reason why Ike was drafted in round 4 (not 3) and that is a lack of smarts and terrible hands.

the same arguement for 3-4 defensive linemen and guards/centers is brought up routinely... great value can be had in the later rounds.

I personally would love to have revis, arron ross, rodgers-cromartie, or the other cromartie over any of our current corners... and we'd have significantly more interceptions in our stat books.

point is, saying top CB's are a waste was the same lame arguement that I put up on these message boards over the last 3 years about WR's.

I was wrong, as our latest superbowl MVP has shown us. It's about talent, and fitting within systems.[/quote:zfd73hwu]

If there is a truly talented CB that is worthy of a 1st round pick, then by all means, I hope they pick him up. My point is that in this years draft, I don't see a CB worthy of our 32nd pick when we can get more value out of a top O-lineman. That is our more pressing need at this point in time. We can fill a CB position in the later rounds. Right now, in order to solidify our O-line and get our short yardage run game going again to play our style of football, we need to draft O-line first and foremost. We cannot miss out on some of these studs that will be long gone if we waste it on an unvalued CB.

steelcityrules!!
04-15-2009, 08:42 PM
[quote="steelcityrules!!":2y0gl78a][quote="Steeler Mafia":2y0gl78a]The last CB that the Steelers took in the first round was Chad Scott in '97. He wasn't that special. In hindsight, he most certainly didn't warrent a first round selelction. I don't see them making the same mistake this year by passing up their OL needs. Unless something unbelievable happens during picks 1 through 31, don't expect the FO to reach for an undervalued CB when they can get a more valued CB prospect in rounds 3 through 7. Remember, Ike Taylor wasn't picked up until round 3 in '03. Deshea Townsand wasn't selected until round 4 in '98. True value can be found in the later rounds. Of all the times we have selected a CB in the first round, only one really panned out to be really special and was worthy of the selection. Any guesses to who that might be?


Here's a hint: Dafted as the 10th overall pick in '87 out of Purdue. Very recently inducted into the Hall of Fame.


just because the stillers haven't drafted corners high doesn't mean top CB's aren't worth it. On top of that, there is a reason why Ike was drafted in round 4 (not 3) and that is a lack of smarts and terrible hands.

the same arguement for 3-4 defensive linemen and guards/centers is brought up routinely... great value can be had in the later rounds.

I personally would love to have revis, arron ross, rodgers-cromartie, or the other cromartie over any of our current corners... and we'd have significantly more interceptions in our stat books.

point is, saying top CB's are a waste was the same lame arguement that I put up on these message boards over the last 3 years about WR's.

I was wrong, as our latest superbowl MVP has shown us. It's about talent, and fitting within systems.[/quote:2y0gl78a]

If there is a truly talented CB that is worthy of a 1st round pick, then by all means, I hope they pick him up. My point is that in this years draft, I don't see a CB worthy of our 32nd pick when we can get more value out of a top O-lineman. That is our more pressing need at this point in time. We can fill a CB position in the later rounds. Right now, in order to solidify our O-line and get our short yardage run game going again to play our style of football, we need to draft O-line first and foremost. We cannot miss out on some of these studs that will be long gone if we waste it on an unvalued CB.[/quote:2y0gl78a]


I hear ya, I do. if Mack is gone and vontae davis is there, do you pull the trigger? Could we go with wood/luigs in the second and still improve or solidify our line?

it's a good argument and we ultimately need to evaluate the talent when we see our pick approaching on the horizon. (I say we, but I'll just be stuck on the couch rooting for a top 15 talent who falls within reach)

Oviedo
04-16-2009, 10:18 AM
[quote="Steeler Mafia":28b15g87][quote="steelcityrules!!":28b15g87][quote="Steeler Mafia":28b15g87]The last CB that the Steelers took in the first round was Chad Scott in '97. He wasn't that special. In hindsight, he most certainly didn't warrent a first round selelction. I don't see them making the same mistake this year by passing up their OL needs. Unless something unbelievable happens during picks 1 through 31, don't expect the FO to reach for an undervalued CB when they can get a more valued CB prospect in rounds 3 through 7. Remember, Ike Taylor wasn't picked up until round 3 in '03. Deshea Townsand wasn't selected until round 4 in '98. True value can be found in the later rounds. Of all the times we have selected a CB in the first round, only one really panned out to be really special and was worthy of the selection. Any guesses to who that might be?


Here's a hint: Dafted as the 10th overall pick in '87 out of Purdue. Very recently inducted into the Hall of Fame.


just because the stillers haven't drafted corners high doesn't mean top CB's aren't worth it. On top of that, there is a reason why Ike was drafted in round 4 (not 3) and that is a lack of smarts and terrible hands.

the same arguement for 3-4 defensive linemen and guards/centers is brought up routinely... great value can be had in the later rounds.

I personally would love to have revis, arron ross, rodgers-cromartie, or the other cromartie over any of our current corners... and we'd have significantly more interceptions in our stat books.

point is, saying top CB's are a waste was the same lame arguement that I put up on these message boards over the last 3 years about WR's.

I was wrong, as our latest superbowl MVP has shown us. It's about talent, and fitting within systems.[/quote:28b15g87]

If there is a truly talented CB that is worthy of a 1st round pick, then by all means, I hope they pick him up. My point is that in this years draft, I don't see a CB worthy of our 32nd pick when we can get more value out of a top O-lineman. That is our more pressing need at this point in time. We can fill a CB position in the later rounds. Right now, in order to solidify our O-line and get our short yardage run game going again to play our style of football, we need to draft O-line first and foremost. We cannot miss out on some of these studs that will be long gone if we waste it on an unvalued CB.[/quote:28b15g87]


I hear ya, I do. if Mack is gone and vontae davis is there, do you pull the trigger? Could we go with wood/luigs in the second and still improve or solidify our line?

it's a good argument and we ultimately need to evaluate the talent when we see our pick approaching on the horizon. (I say we, but I'll just be stuck on the couch rooting for a top 15 talent who falls within reach)[/quote:28b15g87]


If it is between Vontae Davis and drafting Woods early by all means take Woods. No way Woods lasts until 2.64. He is one of the fastest risers in the draft and will likely be gone in the first 7-8 picks of Round 2. I doubt he gets past Cinci in Round 2.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
04-16-2009, 04:17 PM
Remember, Ike Taylor wasn't picked up until round 3 in '03.

FWIW Ike was a fourth rounder, not a third. We had traded away our third and sixth to move up to draft a DB........although he was a safety, not a CB.

If we can play your guessing game again - we moved up 11 picks from 27 to 16 to get this SS who many believe will be a HOF inductee one day. And in keeping with the theme of this thread, not only was he not a starter as a rook, he was labeled a bust by many of the professional personnel men who roam message boards.

Slapstick
04-16-2009, 04:45 PM
Draft Trades during the Colbert era (off the top of my head)

Traded down in the first for NT Casey Hampton
Traded up in the first for S Troy Polamalu
Traded up in the first for WR Santonio Holmes
Traded up in the second for CB Ricardo Colclough
Traded down in the second for 2 third round picks (S Anthony Smith and WR Willie Reid)
Traded up in the fourth for P Daniel Sepulveda
Traded down in the fourth for OT Tony Hills

Any other draft day trades that I am missing?

In the same draft where they traded down for Hampton, they traded up in the second for Kendrell Bell...