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NorthCoast
03-30-2009, 10:36 PM
Spent some time this weekend rewatching the first Baltimore, the Tennessee and the Jacksonville games. I have to say that it was a little disturbing how awful the O-line really looked at times. Colon was abused a number of times by guys with a speed rush and spin move. His feet are SLOW. Kemo was caught flat footed on several plays looking inside for a man to block while his man blew by on the outside. I am hoping this is just a recognition problem by a young player but if he does not improve, he would not be worth the signing we just gave him.
Honestly, if half the draft is consumed by OL picks I don't think I would be too upset. Another interesting thing to watch in the upcoming season will be Washington's durability in Tennessee. The guy is fast but he really needs to bulk up.

Mister Pittsburgh
03-30-2009, 11:36 PM
Spent some time this weekend rewatching the first Baltimore, the Tennessee and the Jacksonville games. I have to say that it was a little disturbing how awful the O-line really looked at times. Colon was abused a number of times by guys with a speed rush and spin move. His feet are SLOW. Kemo was caught flat footed on several plays looking inside for a man to block while his man blew by on the outside. I am hoping this is just a recognition problem by a young player but if he does not improve, he would not be worth the signing we just gave him.
Honestly, if half the draft is consumed by OL picks I don't think I would be too upset. Another interesting thing to watch in the upcoming season will be Washington's durability in Tennessee. The guy is fast but he really needs to bulk up.

Maybe Larry Z. needs to use the machines to watch game film instead of using it to watch porn.

Snatch98
03-31-2009, 12:22 AM
The line didn't really start geling until the playoffs. I'm not worried about the guys we have in place currently. We'll add a few guys in the draft and make another push for the promised land.

birtikidis
03-31-2009, 08:59 AM
In my opinion we really wont try to draft a guy that is going to be a day one starter on the offensive line. We will draft for depth and potential. the only really standout guy that is gonna be there in the first is going to be Mack. While he may be able to start right away, I don't think that he'll be able to push Hartwig out of his spot in his first year.

Oviedo
03-31-2009, 09:32 AM
In my opinion we really wont try to draft a guy that is going to be a day one starter on the offensive line. We will draft for depth and potential. the only really standout guy that is gonna be there in the first is going to be Mack. While he may be able to start right away, I don't think that he'll be able to push Hartwig out of his spot in his first year.

There is a good chance that Mack does not get past the Eagles. If that is the case your OL choices are down to Unger, Robinson or Wood since I think most the decent OTs will be gone.

On DL you will likely have Brace or Gilbert since Jackson will likely be gone.

None of the CBs that are there are worthy of 1.32 and we can get CBs that better fit LaBeau's system in Rounds 2-4.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-31-2009, 10:04 AM
In my opinion we really wont try to draft a guy that is going to be a day one starter on the offensive line. We will draft for depth and potential. the only really standout guy that is gonna be there in the first is going to be Mack. While he may be able to start right away, I don't think that he'll be able to push Hartwig out of his spot in his first year.

Maybe not push Hartwig, but he can play OG as well. How about pushing Stapleton this year and then moving into the vacated OC spot in '10?

phillyesq
03-31-2009, 10:22 AM
In my opinion we really wont try to draft a guy that is going to be a day one starter on the offensive line. We will draft for depth and potential. the only really standout guy that is gonna be there in the first is going to be Mack. While he may be able to start right away, I don't think that he'll be able to push Hartwig out of his spot in his first year.

Maybe not push Hartwig, but he can play OG as well. How about pushing Stapleton this year and then moving into the vacated OC spot in '10?

If Mack is the pick, I could easily see that happening. Even if he stepped in at guard, rather than center, he would like be the second best player on the line from Day 1, after Starks. Which pretty much tells you all you need to know about this offensive line.

BURGH86STEEL
03-31-2009, 10:39 AM
Several players on the offense from the QB on down need to improve and become more consistent to take the offense to the next level. Having healthy RBs should also help.

birtikidis
03-31-2009, 11:39 AM
I don't like the idea of having a player learn one position and then moving him to another position later. if for instance we drafted Mack he would be there to play C. he would be the #1 backup at center. you don't draft a guy in the 1st because he's a good utility guy that can play multiple positions. draft the utility guys later in the draft.

RuthlessBurgher
03-31-2009, 11:46 AM
I don't like the idea of having a player learn one position and then moving him to another position later. if for instance we drafted Mack he would be there to play C. he would be the #1 backup at center. you don't draft a guy in the 1st because he's a good utility guy that can play multiple positions. draft the utility guys later in the draft.

Mack is center. He will be the center of the future, not a utility o-lineman. But if he is a better option as a rookie at RG than Darnell Stapleton, then he plays there in the short term until it is time for him to take over his long term positon. It has happened before.

When Webster was drafted and Mansfield was the center, Webster started at guard in the short term before taking over the center position on a long-term basis.

When Dawson was drafted and Webster was the center, Dawson started at guard in the short term before taking over the center position on a long-term basis.

Although Hartings was always a center in Pittsburgh, he started out as a guard in Detroit.

Oviedo
03-31-2009, 12:01 PM
I don't like the idea of having a player learn one position and then moving him to another position later. if for instance we drafted Mack he would be there to play C. he would be the #1 backup at center. you don't draft a guy in the 1st because he's a good utility guy that can play multiple positions. draft the utility guys later in the draft.

Mack is center. He will be the center of the future, not a utility o-lineman. But if he is a better option as a rookie at RG than Darnell Stapleton, then he plays there in the short term until it is time for him to take over his long term positon. It has happened before.

When Webster was drafted and Mansfield was the center, Webster started at guard in the short term before taking over the center position on a long-term basis.

When Dawson was drafted and Webster was the center, Dawson started at guard in the short term before taking over the center position on a long-term basis.

Although Hartings was always a center in Pittsburgh, he started out as a guard in Detroit.

Mack and Unger could both play Guard and learn the system. It is a lot harder to step in as a rookie at center because you have to make blocking scheme calls even though Ben does some of that. With the proliferation of the 3-4 and all the blitz schemes a rookie probably does not have the recognition skills to step in at Center and start.

Either Mack and Unger would be good pick ups. If you draft Duke Robinson you get a Guard and just a Guard.

Mister Pittsburgh
03-31-2009, 12:40 PM
Several players on the offense from the QB on down need to improve and become more consistent to take the offense to the next level. Having healthy RBs should also help.

Seems our QB, WR, TE did a pretty damn good job moving the ball at will when they had the reigns taken off of them. Needed a score against Baltimore at Baltimore....drove right down the field. Opened it up winging it against Baltimore in the first half of the AFCCG and put up points and left tons of points on the field. Opened it up against the Cardinals in the first half of the Superbowl and was moving the ball well on them.

Maybe Arians needs to wake up and take what defenses are giving him or attack a defenses weakness instead of just calling plays like this is Madden. Him shutting down the offense after the first half against Baltimore especially, but also the Cards in the SB single handedly almost cost both games. The only thing that kept Baltimore even close to us in the AFCCG was Arains forcing the run for three and outs. We could have easily hung 40 on Baltimore with that horrible secondary they had out there but instead had to rely on Troy picking a pass off and taking it to the house to seal the win.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-31-2009, 02:14 PM
Several players on the offense from the QB on down need to improve and become more consistent to take the offense to the next level. Having healthy RBs should also help.

Every player in the NFL can improve, but there is a difference between that and needing a positional upgrade. Ben is not perfect, and he can improve, but IMO we are not in need of a positional upgrade at QB.

I think that OL is a perfect example here. Starks is far from the best LT in the game, but he is serviceable and I can accept us going into the season with his '08 performance for '09. However, at RT I cannot accept us having '08 Colon as our '09 RT. We need an upgrade there. Whether it is Colon's own improvement, or a replacement, that position needs to be upgraded.

Oviedo
03-31-2009, 02:33 PM
Several players on the offense from the QB on down need to improve and become more consistent to take the offense to the next level. Having healthy RBs should also help.

Every player in the NFL can improve, but there is a difference between that and needing a positional upgrade. Ben is not perfect, and he can improve, but IMO we are not in need of a positional upgrade at QB.

I think that OL is a perfect example here. Starks is far from the best LT in the game, but he is serviceable and I can accept us going into the season with his '08 performance for '09. However, at RT I cannot accept us having '08 Colon as our '09 RT. We need an upgrade there. Whether it is Colon's own improvement, or a replacement, that position needs to be upgraded.

I absolutely want to see Colon moved inside because he is a terrible RT. RT is a position we need to improve without a doubt but if you look at the roadgrader type you typically want for RT you have to start to consider guys like Phil Loadholdt or Fenuki Tupou or even Gerald Cadogan.

I think that in this draft you will see then Steelers draft one "inside guy" and one "outside" guy on the OL in the draft. With 9 picks the Steelers are not going to add 9 players, maybe 5 rookies, 6 max. I expect they will package some of the picks to try to move up in Round 2 or 3 to get the guys they need.

BURGH86STEEL
03-31-2009, 03:42 PM
Several players on the offense from the QB on down need to improve and become more consistent to take the offense to the next level. Having healthy RBs should also help.

Seems our QB, WR, TE did a pretty damn good job moving the ball at will when they had the reigns taken off of them. Needed a score against Baltimore at Baltimore....drove right down the field. Opened it up winging it against Baltimore in the first half of the AFCCG and put up points and left tons of points on the field. Opened it up against the Cardinals in the first half of the Superbowl and was moving the ball well on them.

Maybe Arians needs to wake up and take what defenses are giving him or attack a defenses weakness instead of just calling plays like this is Madden. Him shutting down the offense after the first half against Baltimore especially, but also the Cards in the SB single handedly almost cost both games. The only thing that kept Baltimore even close to us in the AFCCG was Arains forcing the run for three and outs. We could have easily hung 40 on Baltimore with that horrible secondary they had out there but instead had to rely on Troy picking a pass off and taking it to the house to seal the win.

Show me an offense that scores or moves the ball on every possession? Seems that is what you want. Unrealistic expectations. The OC must of called some good plays if they were able to move the ball well. The players left points out on the field, not the OC.

Still find it hard to believe that people continue to attack the OC like it is all his fault the offense was inconsistent. The players played a huge part in that inconsistency. It is the QBs job to take what the defense is giving, not the OC. After all, the QB is the one that can change plays and makes decisions where to throw the football.

Even though they could not run consistently well against the Ravens, they had to try. They had to try for several reasons. You should think about why they tried to run the ball. Why do teams try to run against the Steelers when they know they will have very little success? The Ravens tried to run against the Steelers. I guess all the coaches around the league are incompetent for trying to run against the Steelers and Ravens.

I know a lot of you have a problem giving credit to other teams. You have to give the Ravens credit for keeping the game close. They did a good job. In any event, the Steelers won the game. It does not matter now.

My point is the offense was far from stellar last season. Every player on the offense had something to do with that. Maybe the team does not need those late 4th quarter drives to win games if they play a little more consistent earlier in games. The bright side is they can only improve. They have to improve individually to make the collective group better.

BURGH86STEEL
03-31-2009, 03:53 PM
Several players on the offense from the QB on down need to improve and become more consistent to take the offense to the next level. Having healthy RBs should also help.

Every player in the NFL can improve, but there is a difference between that and needing a positional upgrade. Ben is not perfect, and he can improve, but IMO we are not in need of a positional upgrade at QB.

I think that OL is a perfect example here. Starks is far from the best LT in the game, but he is serviceable and I can accept us going into the season with his '08 performance for '09. However, at RT I cannot accept us having '08 Colon as our '09 RT. We need an upgrade there. Whether it is Colon's own improvement, or a replacement, that position needs to be upgraded.

I do not think we need a new QB but the offense needs improvement out of Ben to become more consistent. Until they can find someone to replace Colon, he will probably be the man this year. Good tackles are hard to find. Hopefully, they can pick up one or two in this draft. A lot will depend on what other teams need. Seems teams are always looking for good tackles.

The whole offense needs to be more consistent. That starts with each individual doing his job better.

frankthetank1
03-31-2009, 05:01 PM
Several players on the offense from the QB on down need to improve and become more consistent to take the offense to the next level. Having healthy RBs should also help.

Every player in the NFL can improve, but there is a difference between that and needing a positional upgrade. Ben is not perfect, and he can improve, but IMO we are not in need of a positional upgrade at QB.

I think that OL is a perfect example here. Starks is far from the best LT in the game, but he is serviceable and I can accept us going into the season with his '08 performance for '09. However, at RT I cannot accept us having '08 Colon as our '09 RT. We need an upgrade there. Whether it is Colon's own improvement, or a replacement, that position needs to be upgraded.

I do not think we need a new QB but the offense needs improvement out of Ben to become more consistent. Until they can find someone to replace Colon, he will probably be the man this year. Good tackles are hard to find. Hopefully, they can pick up one or two in this draft. A lot will depend on what other teams need. Seems teams are always looking for good tackles.

The whole offense needs to be more consistent. That starts with each individual doing his job better.

i dont know if ben needs to be more consistent or anything. he had a bad year but was so clutch when he needed to be. he won a sb in one of his worst seasons and with an awful oline. good olineman are very hard to find but there cant be many if any rt's that are worse than colon. im kind of suprised he was offered any kind of contract. he is by far the worst on the oline and that is saying a lot. im sure he would be better at guard because he couldnt be any worse than he is at rt

BURGH86STEEL
03-31-2009, 05:42 PM
Several players on the offense from the QB on down need to improve and become more consistent to take the offense to the next level. Having healthy RBs should also help.

Every player in the NFL can improve, but there is a difference between that and needing a positional upgrade. Ben is not perfect, and he can improve, but IMO we are not in need of a positional upgrade at QB.

I think that OL is a perfect example here. Starks is far from the best LT in the game, but he is serviceable and I can accept us going into the season with his '08 performance for '09. However, at RT I cannot accept us having '08 Colon as our '09 RT. We need an upgrade there. Whether it is Colon's own improvement, or a replacement, that position needs to be upgraded.

I do not think we need a new QB but the offense needs improvement out of Ben to become more consistent. Until they can find someone to replace Colon, he will probably be the man this year. Good tackles are hard to find. Hopefully, they can pick up one or two in this draft. A lot will depend on what other teams need. Seems teams are always looking for good tackles.

The whole offense needs to be more consistent. That starts with each individual doing his job better.

i dont know if ben needs to be more consistent or anything. he had a bad year but was so clutch when he needed to be. he won a sb in one of his worst seasons and with an awful oline. good olineman are very hard to find but there cant be many if any rt's that are worse than colon. im kind of suprised he was offered any kind of contract. he is by far the worst on the oline and that is saying a lot. im sure he would be better at guard because he couldnt be any worse than he is at rt

My opinion is that the team needs more consistency from everyone on the offense. That is the only way the offense will improve. Have to remember that the same Oline stepped up on those final drives. They gave Ben time to work some magic. Ben did not win the SB a lone.

RT seems to be a position of weakness across the league. I am not so sure Colon would be any better at guard. Not sure if he has the ability to pull or the short area quickness to be successful as a guard. Colon has been a starter for two years. I guess the coaching staff is optimistic that he can improve. At the very least, he has experience and is an inexpensive option until they can find a replacement in the near future. If they are able to draft someone they feel can start right away, they will have a inexpensive backup (Colon) with experience for one more year. Right or wrong, the team makes these decisions for a reason.

pfelix73
04-01-2009, 10:48 AM
Trouble in 2009, the thread reads.... This isn't Ricker with a new name is it?

Gloom and doom already setting in......

IF Mack were drafted, he'd be fine playing some G. There's no way he'd beat out Hartwig, unless something drastic happened. One's a rookie and the other is a SB champion.

There's really not much of a difference between playing C and G except yes, for a few calls and oh- hiking the ball to the QB....

Maybe a trade down is in order then draft Unger instead. I'd like to see Unger as a OG.

Let him compete with Stapleton then IF Unger wins out, move Stapleton back to backup C/G.

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