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WoodleyofTroy
03-22-2009, 08:57 PM
So Detroit is on the clock at 9am. Who do you think they're going to take? Rumor has it they might be in contract negotiations with a player as we speak, putting extra pressure on Ruthlessburgher to get this pick right. :) Although, you're the GM, you can treat it however you want (predict how it will unfold in real life or predict what you think the team should do).

Chavezz
03-22-2009, 09:16 PM
I know I signed up for Houston but I haven't followed the thread. Who do we PM our picks to if we can't post in our pick window?

WoodleyofTroy
03-22-2009, 09:58 PM
Rules/Guidelines:
- 3 Rounds.
- Trades allowed. (Max of 2 trades per team, and no trading of players, see below for trade value chart.)
- If you're not able to make your pick on time, send me (WoodleyofTroy) your top 5 prospect list IN ORDER you want selected. Shouldn't need any more than 5 if your PM is close to your slotted time. If it isn't, go ahead and make it a top 10.
- If I do not get a PM, your spot will be Minnesota Viking'd, for up to 2 teams allowed to get their picks in. After that, Ruthlessburgher, pfelix73, and I, will come together via PM to discuss who should be the pick.


NFL Trade Value Chart
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Jom112
03-22-2009, 10:00 PM
Stupid question, but I'm assuming you are going by Eastern Standard Time for the picks?

For the #1 pick, Ruthless you should take Eugene Monroe.


Also the #6 selection is up for trade. Any takers?

WoodleyofTroy
03-22-2009, 10:03 PM
Stupid question, but I'm assuming you are going by Eastern Standard Time for the picks?

For the #1 pick, Ruthless you should take Eugene Monroe.


Also the #6 selection is up for trade. Any takers?

Yes all times are Eastern.

AkronSteel
03-22-2009, 10:11 PM
Cutler is available for trade if anyone.......cough, cough Ruthless thats means your Lions! If you want him make me an offer!

WoodleyofTroy
03-22-2009, 10:16 PM
Cutler is available for trade if anyone.......cough, cough Ruthless thats means your Lions! If you want him make me an offer!

Can't trade players. It just gets too messy. Although Jay Cutler and Julius Peppers are obviously easy trades, it won't end up with just that. All of a sudden we'll start seeing LenDale White traded to the Bills, and Jamarcus Russell to the Buccaneers.

AkronSteel
03-22-2009, 10:18 PM
Cutler is available for trade if anyone.......cough, cough Ruthless thats means your Lions! If you want him make me an offer!

Can't trade players. It just gets too messy. Although Jay Cutler and Julius Peppers are obviously easy trades, it won't end up with just that. All of a sudden we'll start seeing LenDale White traded to the Bills, and Jamarcus Russell to the Buccaneers.

Okay thats cool....then just go with the lists I sent you and that is fine!

WoodleyofTroy
03-22-2009, 10:20 PM
Cutler is available for trade if anyone.......cough, cough Ruthless thats means your Lions! If you want him make me an offer!

Can't trade players. It just gets too messy. Although Jay Cutler and Julius Peppers are obviously easy trades, it won't end up with just that. All of a sudden we'll start seeing LenDale White traded to the Bills, and Jamarcus Russell to the Buccaneers.

Okay thats cool....then just go with the lists I sent you and that is fine!

As for the Broncos situation, If I were GM, I'm not sure it would prevent me from drafting a QB anyways, eventhough we can't make trades on here. I guess it's the gamble you're willing to take or not.

AkronSteel
03-22-2009, 10:22 PM
Cutler is available for trade if anyone.......cough, cough Ruthless thats means your Lions! If you want him make me an offer!

Can't trade players. It just gets too messy. Although Jay Cutler and Julius Peppers are obviously easy trades, it won't end up with just that. All of a sudden we'll start seeing LenDale White traded to the Bills, and Jamarcus Russell to the Buccaneers.

Okay thats cool....then just go with the lists I sent you and that is fine!

As for the Broncos situation, If I were GM, I'm not sure it would prevent me from drafting a QB anyways, eventhough we can't make trades on here. I guess it's the gamble you're willing to take or not.

I may look at a QB later in the draft but I don't want a QB in the first round unless it is Stafford or Sanchez and I don't figure either one will be on the board at 12.

Chadman
03-22-2009, 11:10 PM
Cutler is available for trade if anyone.......cough, cough Ruthless thats means your Lions! If you want him make me an offer!

Can't trade players. It just gets too messy. Although Jay Cutler and Julius Peppers are obviously easy trades, it won't end up with just that. All of a sudden we'll start seeing LenDale White traded to the Bills, and Jamarcus Russell to the Buccaneers.

Hey!!

Who said Chadman was trading Russell to the Bucs? Bugger off & get your own completely inacurrate, athletic, over rated, athletic, underachieving, athletic QB!

WoodleyofTroy
03-22-2009, 11:47 PM
Cutler is available for trade if anyone.......cough, cough Ruthless thats means your Lions! If you want him make me an offer!

Can't trade players. It just gets too messy. Although Jay Cutler and Julius Peppers are obviously easy trades, it won't end up with just that. All of a sudden we'll start seeing LenDale White traded to the Bills, and Jamarcus Russell to the Buccaneers.

Hey!!

Who said Chadman was trading Russell to the Bucs? Bugger off & get your own completely inacurrate, athletic, over rated, athletic, underachieving, athletic QB!

lol

Jom112
03-23-2009, 01:05 AM
Ruthless it appears you have a leak in your war room:



KFFL has learned the Detroit Lions will take Baylor OT Jason Smith with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 09:34 AM
Ruthless it appears you have a leak in your war room:



KFFL has learned the Detroit Lions will take Baylor OT Jason Smith with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl


Fuggeddaboudit! The Matt Millen regime may have leaked information (even though we all knew it was going to be a WR anyway). The Martin Mayhew regime may have leaked information (and Jason Smith would be my top pick if they were able to use their #20 overall pick in a deal for Jay Cutler). But since we are not allowed to trade for players here, the RuthlessBurgher leak-free war room has decided to make its pick official, and Matt Stafford is now a Detroit Lion. Calvin wants a legit QB, so Calvin gets a legit QB.

WoodleyofTroy
03-23-2009, 11:53 AM
Where is Hardliner?

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 11:58 AM
Where is Hardliner?

I just sent him a PM. However, I worry that steelsun and AkronSteel may leapfrog him. If he doesn't show, we can get together with pfelix before Jom's 2:00 slot to discuss who the Chiefs should get.

Jom112
03-23-2009, 11:59 AM
Where is Hardliner?

I just sent him a PM. However, I worry that steelsun and AkronSteel may leapfrog him. If he doesn't show, we can get together with pfelix before Jom's 2:00 slot to discuss who the Chiefs should get.

For missing his picks he should be forced to select Malcom Jenkins... :stirpot

D Rock
03-23-2009, 12:00 PM
The Jaguars would like to entertain offers to move down out of the 8 spot. PM me or post here, please.

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 12:21 PM
Where is Hardliner?

I just sent him a PM. However, I worry that steelsun and AkronSteel may leapfrog him. If he doesn't show, we can get together with pfelix before Jom's 2:00 slot to discuss who the Chiefs should get.

For missing his picks he should be forced to select Malcom Jenkins... :stirpot

Jom is just upset that he will not also be able to leapfrog Hardliner too, since WoT limited it to just a two-stroke Minnesota Viking penalty. :wink:

BigBen2112
03-23-2009, 12:40 PM
If Smith is there choice==GOOD FOR THEM...don't listen to the pundits...select the player that solidifies your OL and get strong in the trenches...you do that and you can be successful with a Chad Pennington-like QB.

BigBen2112
03-23-2009, 12:41 PM
WASHINGTON REDSKINS: Will entertain trade requests for their 1st round pick.

WoodleyofTroy
03-23-2009, 01:08 PM
Selection order is now updated going 3 rounds deep in the Official Selection thread.

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 01:12 PM
I pm'ed steelsun7 as well. This isn't going well so far. :evil: C'mon, AkronSteel! Come through for us this hour!

Jom112
03-23-2009, 01:17 PM
I pm'ed steelsun7 as well. This isn't going well so far. :evil: C'mon, AkronSteel! Come through for us this hour!

The Cincinnati Bengals are anxiously waiting at the steps of the podium with the name Eugene Monroe written on the card...

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 01:25 PM
I pm'ed steelsun7 as well. This isn't going well so far. :evil: C'mon, AkronSteel! Come through for us this hour!

The Cincinnati Bengals are anxiously waiting at the steps of the podium with the name Eugene Monroe written on the card...

I never would have guess that *cough"...sig...*cough* :P

Jom112
03-23-2009, 01:27 PM
I pm'ed steelsun7 as well. This isn't going well so far. :evil: C'mon, AkronSteel! Come through for us this hour!

The Cincinnati Bengals are anxiously waiting at the steps of the podium with the name Eugene Monroe written on the card...

I never would have guess that *cough"...sig...*cough* :P

So do I post in the "official" thread my pick after you guys pick for Hardliner? Or do you guys do that for me?

Nevermind, just read we PM Woodley...

Jom112
03-23-2009, 02:12 PM
PM has been sent in. Hopefully I'll get Monroe, but if not I went with B.J. Raji.

I was watching the Bengals/Giants game last night on NFL Network and man is our defensive front four pathetic...

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 02:24 PM
PM has been sent in. Hopefully I'll get Monroe, but if not I went with B.J. Raji.

I was watching the Bengals/Giants game last night on NFL Network and man is our defensive front four pathetic...

We got a hold of Hardliner. He took Raji. Looks like Monroe is all yours (ya dirty bastage :wink: :P )

Jom112
03-23-2009, 02:26 PM
PM has been sent in. Hopefully I'll get Monroe, but if not I went with B.J. Raji.

I was watching the Bengals/Giants game last night on NFL Network and man is our defensive front four pathetic...

We got a hold of Hardliner. He took Raji. Looks like Monroe is all yours (ya dirty bastage :wink: :P )

Levi Jones. He gone...

BigBen2112
03-23-2009, 03:00 PM
Green Bay Packers would like to offer the 9th overall pick.

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 03:03 PM
I pm'ed steelsun7 as well. This isn't going well so far. :evil: C'mon, AkronSteel! Come through for us this hour!

The Cincinnati Bengals are anxiously waiting at the steps of the podium with the name Eugene Monroe written on the card...

For someone anxiously waiting at the steps of the podium with the name Eugene Monroe written on the card...you took too much time to post it on the official thread, since we are now past 3:00 and your official time has elapsed. We don't want to take away from Chadman's Raider time, so you have to post yours, then I have to post the consensus pick we came up with for Seattle since SteelSun is nowhere to be found.

Jom112
03-23-2009, 03:04 PM
So should I add that we selected Eugene Monroe in the official thread or are you guys putting something together?

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 03:05 PM
So should I add that we selected Eugene Monroe in the official thread or are you guys putting something together?

Nope. You do it. Then you can fancy it up with analysis and pictures later if you want to (if you haven't already, you Monroe lover, you)

Jom112
03-23-2009, 03:20 PM
So should I add that we selected Eugene Monroe in the official thread or are you guys putting something together?

Nope. You do it. Then you can fancy it up with analysis and pictures later if you want to (if you haven't already, you Monroe lover, you)

Yeah, my bad. You can say I've had a case of the Mondays... :lol:

BigBen2112
03-23-2009, 03:23 PM
I dont really understand the selection of Crabtree for Seattle. TJ Housh was just signed by them...they really need a secondary receiver and you can find them later in the draft...but they also need a QB. Hasselbeck is 33 and hurt last year...and I believe his deal ends in 2010 and he'll be 35.

Furthermore:

Here’s what Mora had to say about Matt Hasselbeck and his health status: “I think if Matt Hasselbeck is healthy for 16 weeks this team has a chance to do some special things because he’s an outstanding player. And we’d love to see that happen. And right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine.

“He’s seen upteen specialists. And he’s worked very, very hard on rehabilitation of the back. But once again, Mitch, as you said, there’s an uncertainty, especially as you get up there in age and you’re dealing with a back injury. There’s just certain things that you can’t predict. Right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine. But that could change. So what’s important for us as an organization is as we go through the draft and as we go through free agency, is to not just say, ‘Matt’s going to be fine. Oh, Matt’s going to be OK. We can ignore that position.’ I don’t think that’s the thing to do.”

Mora went on to say the team will not necessarily look at free agency, but will look at the draft in terms of finding an heir apparent for Hasselbeck when his career is over to groom as the future starting quarterback of the franchise.
http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/02/10/mora_no_decision_yet_on_hawks_keeping_lb

Matthew Stafford makes a ton of sense for Seattle, their system, and the fact that he can sit behind Hasselbeck if needed.

WoodleyofTroy
03-23-2009, 03:42 PM
I dont really understand the selection of Crabtree for Seattle. TJ Housh was just signed by them...they really need a secondary receiver and you can find them later in the draft...but they also need a QB. Hasselbeck is 33 and hurt last year...and I believe his deal ends in 2010 and he'll be 35.

Furthermore:

Here’s what Mora had to say about Matt Hasselbeck and his health status: “I think if Matt Hasselbeck is healthy for 16 weeks this team has a chance to do some special things because he’s an outstanding player. And we’d love to see that happen. And right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine.

“He’s seen upteen specialists. And he’s worked very, very hard on rehabilitation of the back. But once again, Mitch, as you said, there’s an uncertainty, especially as you get up there in age and you’re dealing with a back injury. There’s just certain things that you can’t predict. Right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine. But that could change. So what’s important for us as an organization is as we go through the draft and as we go through free agency, is to not just say, ‘Matt’s going to be fine. Oh, Matt’s going to be OK. We can ignore that position.’ I don’t think that’s the thing to do.”

Mora went on to say the team will not necessarily look at free agency, but will look at the draft in terms of finding an heir apparent for Hasselbeck when his career is over to groom as the future starting quarterback of the franchise.
http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/02/10/mora_no_decision_yet_on_hawks_keeping_lb

Matthew Stafford makes a ton of sense for Seattle, their system, and the fact that he can sit behind Hasselbeck if needed.

Ahhh, Matt Stafford was picked by the Lions, buddy. This is like me coming on here and saying the Steelers should of went with Jason Smith because he makes more sense.

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 03:49 PM
I dont really understand the selection of Crabtree for Seattle. TJ Housh was just signed by them...they really need a secondary receiver and you can find them later in the draft...but they also need a QB. Hasselbeck is 33 and hurt last year...and I believe his deal ends in 2010 and he'll be 35.

Furthermore:

Here’s what Mora had to say about Matt Hasselbeck and his health status: “I think if Matt Hasselbeck is healthy for 16 weeks this team has a chance to do some special things because he’s an outstanding player. And we’d love to see that happen. And right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine.

“He’s seen upteen specialists. And he’s worked very, very hard on rehabilitation of the back. But once again, Mitch, as you said, there’s an uncertainty, especially as you get up there in age and you’re dealing with a back injury. There’s just certain things that you can’t predict. Right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine. But that could change. So what’s important for us as an organization is as we go through the draft and as we go through free agency, is to not just say, ‘Matt’s going to be fine. Oh, Matt’s going to be OK. We can ignore that position.’ I don’t think that’s the thing to do.”

Mora went on to say the team will not necessarily look at free agency, but will look at the draft in terms of finding an heir apparent for Hasselbeck when his career is over to groom as the future starting quarterback of the franchise.
http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/02/10/mora_no_decision_yet_on_hawks_keeping_lb

Matthew Stafford makes a ton of sense for Seattle, their system, and the fact that he can sit behind Hasselbeck if needed.

Ahhh, Matt Stafford was picked by the Lions, buddy. This is like me coming on here and saying the Steelers should of went with Jason Smith because he makes more sense.

Actually, now that you mention it, Jason Smith does make a lot of sense for the Steelers! :P

Jom112
03-23-2009, 03:54 PM
So far the mock draft selections are pretty good:

1. Detroit Lions – Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams – Jason Smith T Baylor
3. Kansas City Chiefs – B.J. Raji DT Boston College
4. Seattle Seahawks – Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5. Cleveland Browns – Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6. Cincinnati Bengals – Eugene Monroe T Virginia

Crabtree to the Seahawks might not be ideal but it's something that could happen. Poor Aaron Curry, he had such high hopes but will now be another victim of Mangini's bad scheming. Mangini will probably play him at the safety position...

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 03:55 PM
Does anybody know if Chadman gets up and checks the board before work? Because his Raider time slot of 3-4 p.m. EST is equivalent to 6-7 a.m. in Australia. I hope his alarm clock goes off and he is able to make a pick before another team gets Minnesota Viking'd.

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 04:07 PM
I'm surprised by the pick of Michael Oher to the Raiders. In Chadman's two first round mock drafts, he picked Maclin to the Raiders both times (and in the most recent one that is unfinished, he took Crabtree). Now that Ron Curry is a free agent, I can't even think of a Raider WR...I guess Johnnie Lee Higgins is officially a WR, but he is more of a return guy than a pure wideout. Hmmm...

WoodleyofTroy
03-23-2009, 04:08 PM
Does anybody know if Chadman gets up and checks the board before work? Because his Raider time slot of 3-4 p.m. EST is equivalent to 6-7 a.m. in Australia. I hope his alarm clock goes off and he is able to make a pick before another team gets Minnesota Viking'd.

He PM'd me last night with Michael Oher being the next on his list (rated him 4th), of availability.

WoodleyofTroy
03-23-2009, 04:11 PM
I'm surprised by the pick of Michael Oher to the Raiders. In Chadman's two first round mock drafts, he picked Maclin to the Raiders both times (and in the most recent one that is unfinished, he took Crabtree). Now that Ron Curry is a free agent, I can't even think of a Raider WR...I guess Johnnie Lee Higgins is officially a WR, but he is more of a return guy than a pure wideout. Hmmm...

That's why I was waiting until the last minute. He had Oher 4th, and Maclin 5th. Probably neck and neck, with maybe changing his mind at the last second.

Jom112
03-23-2009, 04:14 PM
I'm surprised by the pick of Michael Oher to the Raiders. In Chadman's two first round mock drafts, he picked Maclin to the Raiders both times (and in the most recent one that is unfinished, he took Crabtree). Now that Ron Curry is a free agent, I can't even think of a Raider WR...I guess Johnnie Lee Higgins is officially a WR, but he is more of a return guy than a pure wideout. Hmmm...

He probably saw Maclin's 40 time and realized that he's not fast enough to catch up to JaMarcus Russell's overthrown passes...

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2009, 04:24 PM
I'm surprised by the pick of Michael Oher to the Raiders. In Chadman's two first round mock drafts, he picked Maclin to the Raiders both times (and in the most recent one that is unfinished, he took Crabtree). Now that Ron Curry is a free agent, I can't even think of a Raider WR...I guess Johnnie Lee Higgins is officially a WR, but he is more of a return guy than a pure wideout. Hmmm...

He probably saw Maclin's 40 time and realized that he's not fast enough to catch up to JaMarcus Russell's overthrown passes...

And the fact that Al Davis makes picks solely with regard to 40 times...

Jom112
03-23-2009, 04:40 PM
Interesting selection of Vontae Davis, D-Rock. I was thinking with the release of Matt Jones that you guys would take Jeremy Maclin. Or with the loss of Khalif Barnes, maybe take Andre Smith...

D Rock
03-23-2009, 04:47 PM
Interesting selection of Vontae Davis, D-Rock. I was thinking with the release of Matt Jones that you guys would take Jeremy Maclin. Or with the loss of Khalif Barnes, maybe take Andre Smith...

I was really considering both. I wanted Crabtree to fall very badly. Oher would have gotten a hard look if not taken as well. I like Maclin but have a feeling he wont be able to dominate at the NFL level. Smith is a headcase and a year sitting behind Tra Thomas might get him angry and he could self-destruct.

I tried to trade back into the 12-16 range but couldn't find a deal. I think all of the players I was looking at would be better value there plus picking up an extra pick or two, but I wasn't able to make it happen and had to settle on an incredible athlete instead.

Look for WR and T to be on the Jaguar's radar in the coming rounds for sure though.

Jom112
03-23-2009, 04:50 PM
Interesting selection of Vontae Davis, D-Rock. I was thinking with the release of Matt Jones that you guys would take Jeremy Maclin. Or with the loss of Khalif Barnes, maybe take Andre Smith...

I was really considering both. I wanted Crabtree to fall very badly. Oher would have gotten a hard look if not taken as well. I like Maclin but have a feeling he wont be able to dominate at the NFL level. Smith is a headcase and a year sitting behind Tra Thomas might get him angry and he could self-destruct.

I tried to trade back into the 12-16 range but couldn't find a deal. I think all of the players I was looking at would be better value there plus picking up an extra pick or two, but I wasn't able to make it happen and had to settle on an incredible athlete instead.

Look for WR and T to be on the Jaguar's radar in the coming rounds for sure though.

Solid logic.

I actually think come draft day that Crabtree will fall to the #6 pick and we will trade with the Jags so they can select Crabtree. Then at #8 we'll select either Michael Oher (If he's still around), Andre Smith or Rey Maualuga...

D Rock
03-23-2009, 04:55 PM
Interesting selection of Vontae Davis, D-Rock. I was thinking with the release of Matt Jones that you guys would take Jeremy Maclin. Or with the loss of Khalif Barnes, maybe take Andre Smith...

I was really considering both. I wanted Crabtree to fall very badly. Oher would have gotten a hard look if not taken as well. I like Maclin but have a feeling he wont be able to dominate at the NFL level. Smith is a headcase and a year sitting behind Tra Thomas might get him angry and he could self-destruct.

I tried to trade back into the 12-16 range but couldn't find a deal. I think all of the players I was looking at would be better value there plus picking up an extra pick or two, but I wasn't able to make it happen and had to settle on an incredible athlete instead.

Look for WR and T to be on the Jaguar's radar in the coming rounds for sure though.

Solid logic.

I actually think come draft day that Crabtree will fall to the #6 pick and we will trade with the Jags so they can select Crabtree. Then at #8 we'll select either Michael Oher (If he's still around), Andre Smith or Rey Maualuga...

I would be happy to see that happen as a Jaguars non-hater. (Not fan...that's reserved for one team and one team only)

BigBen2112
03-23-2009, 06:17 PM
I dont really understand the selection of Crabtree for Seattle. TJ Housh was just signed by them...they really need a secondary receiver and you can find them later in the draft...but they also need a QB. Hasselbeck is 33 and hurt last year...and I believe his deal ends in 2010 and he'll be 35.

Furthermore:

Here’s what Mora had to say about Matt Hasselbeck and his health status: “I think if Matt Hasselbeck is healthy for 16 weeks this team has a chance to do some special things because he’s an outstanding player. And we’d love to see that happen. And right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine.

“He’s seen upteen specialists. And he’s worked very, very hard on rehabilitation of the back. But once again, Mitch, as you said, there’s an uncertainty, especially as you get up there in age and you’re dealing with a back injury. There’s just certain things that you can’t predict. Right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine. But that could change. So what’s important for us as an organization is as we go through the draft and as we go through free agency, is to not just say, ‘Matt’s going to be fine. Oh, Matt’s going to be OK. We can ignore that position.’ I don’t think that’s the thing to do.”

Mora went on to say the team will not necessarily look at free agency, but will look at the draft in terms of finding an heir apparent for Hasselbeck when his career is over to groom as the future starting quarterback of the franchise.
http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/02/10/mora_no_decision_yet_on_hawks_keeping_lb

Matthew Stafford makes a ton of sense for Seattle, their system, and the fact that he can sit behind Hasselbeck if needed.

Ahhh, Matt Stafford was picked by the Lions, buddy. This is like me coming on here and saying the Steelers should of went with Jason Smith because he makes more sense.

Actually, now that you mention it, Jason Smith does make a lot of sense for the Steelers! :P

Yeah sorry guys...I confused which draft was which that im participating in. My bad.

steelz09
03-23-2009, 07:31 PM
are the bills on the clock or what?! :)

WoodleyofTroy
03-23-2009, 10:06 PM
I dont really understand the selection of Crabtree for Seattle. TJ Housh was just signed by them...they really need a secondary receiver and you can find them later in the draft...but they also need a QB. Hasselbeck is 33 and hurt last year...and I believe his deal ends in 2010 and he'll be 35.

Furthermore:

Here’s what Mora had to say about Matt Hasselbeck and his health status: “I think if Matt Hasselbeck is healthy for 16 weeks this team has a chance to do some special things because he’s an outstanding player. And we’d love to see that happen. And right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine.

“He’s seen upteen specialists. And he’s worked very, very hard on rehabilitation of the back. But once again, Mitch, as you said, there’s an uncertainty, especially as you get up there in age and you’re dealing with a back injury. There’s just certain things that you can’t predict. Right now all indications are that he’s going to be fine. But that could change. So what’s important for us as an organization is as we go through the draft and as we go through free agency, is to not just say, ‘Matt’s going to be fine. Oh, Matt’s going to be OK. We can ignore that position.’ I don’t think that’s the thing to do.”

Mora went on to say the team will not necessarily look at free agency, but will look at the draft in terms of finding an heir apparent for Hasselbeck when his career is over to groom as the future starting quarterback of the franchise.
http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/02/10/mora_no_decision_yet_on_hawks_keeping_lb

Matthew Stafford makes a ton of sense for Seattle, their system, and the fact that he can sit behind Hasselbeck if needed.

Ahhh, Matt Stafford was picked by the Lions, buddy. This is like me coming on here and saying the Steelers should of went with Jason Smith because he makes more sense.

Actually, now that you mention it, Jason Smith does make a lot of sense for the Steelers! :P

Yeah sorry guys...I confused which draft was which that im participating in. My bad.

You never even gave an official selection of Orakpo.

Chadman
03-23-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm surprised by the pick of Michael Oher to the Raiders. In Chadman's two first round mock drafts, he picked Maclin to the Raiders both times (and in the most recent one that is unfinished, he took Crabtree). Now that Ron Curry is a free agent, I can't even think of a Raider WR...I guess Johnnie Lee Higgins is officially a WR, but he is more of a return guy than a pure wideout. Hmmm...

Hey Ruthless!

Sorry Chadman missed his selection- but work is wacky at the moment.

The Oher selection is based on two counts- the depth of WR in the draft means that someone should become available in Round 2 & Cornell Green, the starting RT, looks to have gone monkey-poo on some woman with a broomstick. No doubt, OT will be a need, an Oher presents better value, to Chadman, than Maclin does at this point.

This draft is about what Chadman WOULD DO- Chadman's other draft is about what he expects Prehistoric Al to do.

BigBen2112
03-23-2009, 11:05 PM
You never even gave an official selection of Orakpo.

Umm...YES I did. I said I might trade him later, if allowed, and that'd I'd do a writeup when I could. Seems pretty darn solid to me.

RuthlessBurgher
03-24-2009, 08:57 AM
I'm surprised by the pick of Michael Oher to the Raiders. In Chadman's two first round mock drafts, he picked Maclin to the Raiders both times (and in the most recent one that is unfinished, he took Crabtree). Now that Ron Curry is a free agent, I can't even think of a Raider WR...I guess Johnnie Lee Higgins is officially a WR, but he is more of a return guy than a pure wideout. Hmmm...

Hey Ruthless!

Sorry Chadman missed his selection- but work is wacky at the moment.

The Oher selection is based on two counts- the depth of WR in the draft means that someone should become available in Round 2 & Cornell Green, the starting RT, looks to have gone monkey-poo on some woman with a broomstick. No doubt, OT will be a need, an Oher presents better value, to Chadman, than Maclin does at this point.

This draft is about what Chadman WOULD DO- Chadman's other draft is about what he expects Prehistoric Al to do.

No problem, man. Makes sense to me. As your time was running down, I was thinking "I guess we'll be picking Maclin for Chadman" based upon your previous mocks, without realizing that you had already sent your picks to WoT.

By the way, Discipline of Steel sent me a list of possible picks for each team he is running this afternoon. He may be able to make it himself to make those picks, but if not, I got 'em for him. I will wait until the end of his hour(s), just in case he shows up at the end, though. Just thought I'd let y'all know.

Chadman
03-24-2009, 11:04 AM
I'm surprised by the pick of Michael Oher to the Raiders. In Chadman's two first round mock drafts, he picked Maclin to the Raiders both times (and in the most recent one that is unfinished, he took Crabtree). Now that Ron Curry is a free agent, I can't even think of a Raider WR...I guess Johnnie Lee Higgins is officially a WR, but he is more of a return guy than a pure wideout. Hmmm...

Hey Ruthless!

Sorry Chadman missed his selection- but work is wacky at the moment.

The Oher selection is based on two counts- the depth of WR in the draft means that someone should become available in Round 2 & Cornell Green, the starting RT, looks to have gone monkey-poo on some woman with a broomstick. No doubt, OT will be a need, an Oher presents better value, to Chadman, than Maclin does at this point.

This draft is about what Chadman WOULD DO- Chadman's other draft is about what he expects Prehistoric Al to do.

No problem, man. Makes sense to me. As your time was running down, I was thinking "I guess we'll be picking Maclin for Chadman" based upon your previous mocks, without realizing that you had already sent your picks to WoT.

By the way, Discipline of Steel sent me a list of possible picks for each team he is running this afternoon. He may be able to make it himself to make those picks, but if not, I got 'em for him. I will wait until the end of his hour(s), just in case he shows up at the end, though. Just thought I'd let y'all know.

Maclin was Pick 5 on Chadman's list- right after Oher. To be honest- would have been happy with either...

BigBen2112
03-24-2009, 11:42 AM
So now we're picking out of order? Sweet.

Last time I checked the 14th pick comes after the 13th pick...which isn't supposed to come down until when today again?

WoodleyofTroy
03-24-2009, 11:43 AM
So now we're picking out of order? Sweet.

Last time I checked the 14th pick comes after the 13th pick...which isn't supposed to come down until when today again?

You might want to look at the schedule. You missed your time slot.

BigBen2112
03-24-2009, 11:46 AM
So now we're picking out of order? Sweet.

Last time I checked the 14th pick comes after the 13th pick...which isn't supposed to come down until when today again?

You might want to look at the schedule. You missed your time slot.

No I didn't but that's ok. Still got who I wanted.

WoodleyofTroy
03-24-2009, 11:49 AM
So now we're picking out of order? Sweet.

Last time I checked the 14th pick comes after the 13th pick...which isn't supposed to come down until when today again?

You might want to look at the schedule. You missed your time slot.

No I didn't but that's ok. Still got who I wanted.

10:00 to 10:59....I waited until 11:45 which is 45 minutes into the Saints pick giving you the benefit of the doubt.

And you wanted 6 teams?

BigBen2112
03-24-2009, 11:52 AM
So now we're picking out of order? Sweet.

Last time I checked the 14th pick comes after the 13th pick...which isn't supposed to come down until when today again?

You might want to look at the schedule. You missed your time slot.

No I didn't but that's ok. Still got who I wanted.

10:00 to 10:59....I waited until 11:45 which is 45 minutes into the Saints pick giving you the benefit of the doubt.

And you wanted 6 teams?

I was waiting for you. You posted Denver's pick at 10:51.

WoodleyofTroy
03-24-2009, 11:55 AM
So now we're picking out of order? Sweet.

Last time I checked the 14th pick comes after the 13th pick...which isn't supposed to come down until when today again?

You might want to look at the schedule. You missed your time slot.

No I didn't but that's ok. Still got who I wanted.

10:00 to 10:59....I waited until 11:45 which is 45 minutes into the Saints pick giving you the benefit of the doubt.

And you wanted 6 teams?

I was waiting for you. You posted Denver's pick at 10:51.

10:51pm last night. Yours is 10am in the morning today. It starts over at 9am every day ending at 7:59 pm. You can pick before your slot if you're on the clock ahead of time if you choose, which I did with the Broncos per that GM's request.

Lonbull
03-24-2009, 12:14 PM
Inside the War Room / San Francisco.

Malcolm Jenkins

With the emergence of Larry Fitzgerald and the newest additon of Michael Crabtree to the Seahawks - Mike Singletary thought it was wisest to shore up our Defensive Secondary.

Walt Harris turns 35 years old this season, and Nate Clements will be 30. We desperately need youth at the Corner position.

San Francisco believes that what Malcolm Jenkins has done on the field play speaks for itself. We aren't completely disregarding the new concern over his "timed" lack of speed at the combine, and Coach Singletary wrote down on my notes that - a Pro Bowl Caliber Safety wouldn't kill us either right now, if that's the worst that Jenkins could become. We believe he'll perform very well at the next level and Coach Singletary especially likes his competitive fire, his strong leadership abilities, and his solid work ethic - which is what he's been preaching since taking over the Head Coaching position.

As GM we were hoping that the amazing prospect of Michael Crabtree would fall into our laps, but even with his injury we thought it was a long shot.

We liked Jeremy Maclin - but we weren't completely sold on him - the 49ers would have liked to see another year of production out of him.

In general we feel the 49ers needed someone who didn't have as many question marks around him at this time. Coach Singletary couldn't have been more specific about getting rid of distractions with this organization. Which is really the only reason we passed on Andre Smith.

True be told we also liked Vontae Davis quite a bit, however we all breathed a sigh of relief when he was picked ahead of our 10th selection. It's quite possible Vontae Davis could help kick start his brother Vernon Davis's attitude up a couple of notches. Then again it's very possible Vernon Davis could drag Vontae down. And the sight of Coach Singletary sending TWO first round draft picks to the showers early was something no one in San Francisco wants to see.

The 49ers are hoping that they've just drafted a Rod Woodson kind of cornerback to work into their 3-4 defense.

L.B.

WoodleyofTroy
03-24-2009, 12:30 PM
Mayock: We heard some rumors coming out of the Steelers draft room, that they were looking to trade up in the 1st or 2nd round with the security of that 3rd round comp in their back pocket. Now that the compensatory picks have been released, leaving the Steelers with a 5th instead of the expected 3rd, it's now believed that not only will they may not be looking to trade up, but instead trade back into the 2nd.

Woodson: I won't say who, but inside the war room you could hear a response in regards to the releasing of the comp picks: "If that Roger gets in my face, I'll drop that motherf*cker."

Eisen: [laughs] Priceless Step Brothers reference. I love it.

BigBen2112
03-24-2009, 12:40 PM
Mayock: We heard some rumors coming out of the Steelers draft room, that they were looking to trade up in the 1st or 2nd round with the security of that 3rd round comp in their back pocket. Now that the compensatory picks have been released, leaving the Steelers with a 5th instead of the expected 3rd, it's now believed that not only will they may not be looking to trade up, but instead trade back into the 2nd.

Woodson: I won't say who, but inside the war room you could hear a response in regards to the releasing of the comp picks: "If that Roger gets in my face, I'll drop that motherf*cker."

Eisen: [laughs] Priceless Step Brothers reference. I love it.

That source must be pretty smart b/c the Steelers would be very smart to trade down and pick up extra picks.

BigBen2112
03-24-2009, 02:34 PM
Berman: It looks like the days of the B-RE-TT-S...BRETTS BRETTS BRETTS is over in the city of the skyscraper.

Kiper: I really love Matthew Stafford...but boy oh boy do I also love Mark Sanchez. Have I said how much I love Matthew Stafford yet? He's a class athlete. Oh. We're talking about Sanchez? Yeah...not quite as good as Stafford, but he should work for the Jets. STAFFORD!!!

WoodleyofTroy
03-24-2009, 02:45 PM
Sanchez is a steal at 17. Best case scenario for them.

BigBen2112
03-24-2009, 02:53 PM
Ted Thompson is picking up the phone to call Mr. Colbert of the Steelers.........

HardlinerKC
03-24-2009, 05:39 PM
Any reason why my posts in this thread are being zapped?

HardlinerKC
03-24-2009, 05:44 PM
Damn!

Just when I thought I was expelled for being a Chief's fan!!! :D One more time, and this is my third attempt at justifying my pick of Raji, for all you home posters:

Curry is the 2d coming of the Chief's Derrick Johnson, in my not so humble opinion. Curry showed no edge rush skills at Wake and then too, why did this guy end up at Wake in the first place? Not exactly a football factory if you get my drift?

Anyway, Raji can cave the pocket AND hopefully disrupt enough for the current Chief's LBers to be more effective. If you can't get the opposing team's QB on the ground fairly often, you will lose. That's my rationale for taking Raji who, to me, represents the best chance for improving the rush, from the inside on out.

BigBen2112
03-24-2009, 05:59 PM
Hardliner,

I completely understand what you're saying. In my "mock draft the way I would do it" post over at: http://steelerstrong.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nfldraft&action=display&thread=970&page=1 I discussed how you guys may very well take Aaron Curry, but that B.J. Raji deserved a look. Mostly b/c you guys seem to be switching to the 34 and need the inside presence. That's certainly not who Dorsey is...but he's also not a 34 DE. It will be interesting to see what you guys do...especially now that you guys ALREADY have spent a #1 pick on a DT that doesn't seem to fit the scheme you're attempting to go to.

D Rock
03-24-2009, 06:01 PM
Damn!

Just when I thought I was expelled for being a Chief's fan!!! :D One more time, and this is my third attempt at justifying my pick of Raji, for all you home posters:

Curry is the 2d coming of the Chief's Derrick Johnson, in my not so humble opinion. Curry showed no edge rush skills at Wake and then too, why did this guy end up at Wake in the first place? Not exactly a football factory if you get my drift?

Anyway, Raji can cave the pocket AND hopefully disrupt enough for the current Chief's LBers to be more effective. If you can't get the opposing team's QB on the ground fairly often, you will lose. That's my rationale for taking Raji who, to me, represents the best chance for improving the rush, from the inside on out.

With the Chiefs moving to a 3-4, what is the projected starting lineup on at DL and LB?

I don't see Dorsey fitting in anywhere. Too light for NT and too short for DE.
Tamba Hali MIGHT work at DE, but he is a bit small as well.
Alfonso Boone might have the closest to DE size on the roster right now.

Raji is a solid pick because at DE and NT...the Chiefs don't really have anyone right now even though a bunch of recent high picks have been dropped on the DL...it could end up none of them make the transition.

Could Dorsey be trade bait to a 4-3 team????

BigBen2112
03-24-2009, 06:35 PM
Damn!

Just when I thought I was expelled for being a Chief's fan!!! :D One more time, and this is my third attempt at justifying my pick of Raji, for all you home posters:

Curry is the 2d coming of the Chief's Derrick Johnson, in my not so humble opinion. Curry showed no edge rush skills at Wake and then too, why did this guy end up at Wake in the first place? Not exactly a football factory if you get my drift?

Anyway, Raji can cave the pocket AND hopefully disrupt enough for the current Chief's LBers to be more effective. If you can't get the opposing team's QB on the ground fairly often, you will lose. That's my rationale for taking Raji who, to me, represents the best chance for improving the rush, from the inside on out.

With the Chiefs moving to a 3-4, what is the projected starting lineup on at DL and LB?

I don't see Dorsey fitting in anywhere. Too light for NT and too short for DE.
Tamba Hali MIGHT work at DE, but he is a bit small as well.
Alfonso Boone might have the closest to DE size on the roster right now.

Raji is a solid pick because at DE and NT...the Chiefs don't really have anyone right now even though a bunch of recent high picks have been dropped on the DL...it could end up none of them make the transition.

Could Dorsey be trade bait to a 4-3 team????

Yeah but for Dorsey you'd have to get a #1 out of the deal...and I dont know what team does that right now.

RuthlessBurgher
03-25-2009, 10:03 AM
So the official pick for New England is Clay Matthews then?

Do you think he switches from 47 (which is not a LB # in the pros) to his dad's 57?

HardlinerKC
03-25-2009, 10:46 AM
In answer to some questions as to what the Chiefs will be doing with their personnel on defense. So far, Haley and his new DC Pendergast (who also came over from AZ) are talking about fielding a hybrid 3-4/4-3 in 2009, whatever that means. I think they're wanting to revive the old Doomsday Dallas FLEX defense from the 70s where they have the guys that can toggle back and forth on any given set.

Dorsey has been a disappointment but he wasn't properly used as a 3 technique DT last year which is his strength. In the 3-4, I too fail to see a role for him so a trade to a 4-3 team is likely, in my opinion. I think the Chiefs would take a 2d rounder for him but that's only a guess. Hali is another guy looking for a position to play and like, Dorsey, doesn't fit the new look Chiefs.

So, we have guys like Dorsey, Hali, LJ wanting out and Brian Waters (OG) getting sideways with his new head coach and Tony G still not all giddy about remaining with the Chiefs in spite of Clark Hunt's recent statement, and we could be looking at some wholesale changes along with some strong tradewinds blowing for the Chiefs before the draft.

The current roster guys that should fit into a 3-4 or hybrid version thereof include:

NT: Tank Tyler, Ron Edwards
DE: Turk McBride, Alphonso Boone

LBs: Vrabel, Derrick Johnson, Domorrio Williams, Monty Beisel

There are lesser names still on the roster that might work but the above guys are most likely to stick with the current regime. In other words, the Chiefs have LOTS of work to do and NEED many more picks than they currently have to make this changeover effective.

steelblood
03-25-2009, 01:27 PM
I humbly apologize for missing my slot 10:00 this morning for the Falcons. I got distracted with work (of all things). Sorry for any problems that I have caused.

steelblood

Jom112
03-25-2009, 01:39 PM
The Jets (BigBen123232132312) will be holding a press conference shortly.

Rumor has it that the Jets have worked out a trade with the Bengals (Picks only)...

RuthlessBurgher
03-25-2009, 01:41 PM
I humbly apologize for missing my slot 10:00 this morning for the Falcons. I got distracted with work (of all things). Sorry for any problems that I have caused.

steelblood

No problem, man. Any issue with the Michael Johnson pick? At first, we were debating between Pettigrew and Cushing, but WoT looked up a Falcons' message board, and the vast majority of folks there were hoping for Johnson, so that is why that pick was made.

BigBen2112
03-25-2009, 01:45 PM
I humbly apologize for missing my slot 10:00 this morning for the Falcons. I got distracted with work (of all things). Sorry for any problems that I have caused.

steelblood

No problem, man. Any issue with the Michael Johnson pick? At first, we were debating between Pettigrew and Cushing, but WoT looked up a Falcons' message board, and the vast majority of folks there were hoping for Johnson, so that is why that pick was made.

There will be a decent TE in the 2nd likely for the Falcons.

BigBen2112
03-25-2009, 01:51 PM
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We have a trade to announce

The New York Jets
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Have traded away their 2nd (53rd overall) 3rd (76th) as well as their 4th (115th) this year and a conditional 2nd/3rd round selection next year to.....

The Cincinnati Bengals
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For the Bengals' 38th overall and 70th overall selections in this years' (2009) NFL draft

steelblood
03-25-2009, 01:54 PM
I humbly apologize for missing my slot 10:00 this morning for the Falcons. I got distracted with work (of all things). Sorry for any problems that I have caused.

steelblood

No problem, man. Any issue with the Michael Johnson pick? At first, we were debating between Pettigrew and Cushing, but WoT looked up a Falcons' message board, and the vast majority of folks there were hoping for Johnson, so that is why that pick was made.

Johnson was on the short list my son (the Falcons fan) and I made last night. They lost 5-6 starters on defense and have only signed one UFA to replace them. Considering these dire straits, I'm pleased it was not Pettigrew. Johnson would help take some pressure off of Abraham (the only real pass rusher on the team). Besides Johnson, we talked about Cushing, a few of the corners (they need a big, physical corner and/or a playmaker), and Delmas (the FS).

I'll try to be on top of things in the next round.

BigBen2112
03-25-2009, 02:00 PM
I thought Cushing would be the pick. Johnson's a pretty good pick though...Washington was attempting to trade up using next years' first round to get Johnson, but that didn't work.

Jom112
03-25-2009, 02:05 PM
I humbly apologize for missing my slot 10:00 this morning for the Falcons. I got distracted with work (of all things). Sorry for any problems that I have caused.

steelblood

No problem, man. Any issue with the Michael Johnson pick? At first, we were debating between Pettigrew and Cushing, but WoT looked up a Falcons' message board, and the vast majority of folks there were hoping for Johnson, so that is why that pick was made.

Johnson was on the short list my son (the Falcons fan) and I made last night. They lost 5-6 starters on defense and have only signed one UFA to replace them. Considering these dire straits, I'm pleased it was not Pettigrew. Johnson would help take some pressure off of Abraham (the only real pass rusher on the team). Besides Johnson, we talked about Cushing, a few of the corners (they need a big, physical corner and/or a playmaker), and Delmas (the FS).

I'll try to be on top of things in the next round.

Michael Johnson is a solid pick. Jamal Anderson can't get to the QB, and you can't expect a full season out of John "Glass" Abraham.

Cushing would have been a good pick as well since you guys lost two LB's, but it's easier to find an LB elsewhere like FA (Marcus Washington maybe) or later in the draft than it is to find a pass rushing DE...

steelblood
03-25-2009, 02:28 PM
I humbly apologize for missing my slot 10:00 this morning for the Falcons. I got distracted with work (of all things). Sorry for any problems that I have caused.

steelblood

No problem, man. Any issue with the Michael Johnson pick? At first, we were debating between Pettigrew and Cushing, but WoT looked up a Falcons' message board, and the vast majority of folks there were hoping for Johnson, so that is why that pick was made.

Johnson was on the short list my son (the Falcons fan) and I made last night. They lost 5-6 starters on defense and have only signed one UFA to replace them. Considering these dire straits, I'm pleased it was not Pettigrew. Johnson would help take some pressure off of Abraham (the only real pass rusher on the team). Besides Johnson, we talked about Cushing, a few of the corners (they need a big, physical corner and/or a playmaker), and Delmas (the FS).

I'll try to be on top of things in the next round.

Michael Johnson is a solid pick. Jamal Anderson can't get to the QB, and you can't expect a full season out of John "Glass" Abraham.

Cushing would have been a good pick as well since you guys lost two LB's, but it's easier to find an LB elsewhere like FA (Marcus Washington maybe) or later in the draft than it is to find a pass rushing DE...

You are so right about Jamaal Anderson. I thought he'd be much better. He just seems to have no killer instinct.

LB - They added OLB Peterson (formerly of the Jags). They also resigned Coy Wire who played on 1st and 2nd down in front of Boley. LB is still a need, but not as bad as it was at the beginning of FA.

Jom112
03-25-2009, 02:33 PM
I humbly apologize for missing my slot 10:00 this morning for the Falcons. I got distracted with work (of all things). Sorry for any problems that I have caused.

steelblood

No problem, man. Any issue with the Michael Johnson pick? At first, we were debating between Pettigrew and Cushing, but WoT looked up a Falcons' message board, and the vast majority of folks there were hoping for Johnson, so that is why that pick was made.

Johnson was on the short list my son (the Falcons fan) and I made last night. They lost 5-6 starters on defense and have only signed one UFA to replace them. Considering these dire straits, I'm pleased it was not Pettigrew. Johnson would help take some pressure off of Abraham (the only real pass rusher on the team). Besides Johnson, we talked about Cushing, a few of the corners (they need a big, physical corner and/or a playmaker), and Delmas (the FS).

I'll try to be on top of things in the next round.

Michael Johnson is a solid pick. Jamal Anderson can't get to the QB, and you can't expect a full season out of John "Glass" Abraham.

Cushing would have been a good pick as well since you guys lost two LB's, but it's easier to find an LB elsewhere like FA (Marcus Washington maybe) or later in the draft than it is to find a pass rushing DE...

You are so right about Jamaal Anderson. I thought he'd be much better. He just seems to have no killer instinct.

LB - They added OLB Peterson (formerly of the Jags). They also resigned Coy Wire who played on 1st and 2nd down in front of Boley. LB is still a need, but not as bad as it was at the beginning of FA.

Didn't know the Falcons signed Peterson. That was a smart move...

Jom112
03-25-2009, 02:35 PM
Quick Question. For round three are we not doing comp picks?

RuthlessBurgher
03-25-2009, 02:58 PM
Quick Question. For round three are we not doing comp picks?

Yeah, but the Steelers will take the Bengals 3rd round pick, because that 98th pick rightfully belongs to us. You can have pick 169 instead. :evil:

Jom112
03-25-2009, 03:05 PM
Quick Question. For round three are we not doing comp picks?

Yeah, but the Steelers will take the Bengals 3rd round pick, because that 98th pick rightfully belongs to us. You can have pick 169 instead. :evil:

Are you disregarding the worth of the great Justin Smith? Blasphemy!

In all seriousness though I'm glad you guys didn't sign Justin Smith. I remember reading the bad word Lebeau was looking at him. He wasn't much of a 4-3 DE but he's been doing well as a 3-4 DE in SF...

WoodleyofTroy
03-25-2009, 03:09 PM
Quick Question. For round three are we not doing comp picks?

That depends if we end up doing a Round 4. Even if that means Ruthless and I are making all the picks, I'd still like to see this go deep into the not so familiar names.

Jom112
03-25-2009, 03:13 PM
Quick Question. For round three are we not doing comp picks?

That depends if we end up doing a Round 4. Even if that means Ruthless and I are making all the picks, I'd still like to see this go deep into the not so familiar names.

I'm all for helping out if you guys want to go the full 7 rounds...

RuthlessBurgher
03-25-2009, 03:22 PM
Quick Question. For round three are we not doing comp picks?

That depends if we end up doing a Round 4. Even if that means Ruthless and I are making all the picks, I'd still like to see this go deep into the not so familiar names.

I'm all for helping out if you guys want to go the full 7 rounds...

I would say continue with rounds 2 & 3 with everybody using the time slots like we are now...then if a few of us want to continue on and finish off the full draft to the end, maybe try to get a group of folks on the board all together at the same time (perhaps in the chat room) on a Saturday afternoon where we can just finishing things off in more of a bang-bang fashion (with a matter of minutes between picks...if that...instead of hours).

WoodleyofTroy
03-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Quick Question. For round three are we not doing comp picks?

That depends if we end up doing a Round 4. Even if that means Ruthless and I are making all the picks, I'd still like to see this go deep into the not so familiar names.

I'm all for helping out if you guys want to go the full 7 rounds...

I would say continue with rounds 2 & 3 with everybody using the time slots like we are now...then if a few of us want to continue on and finish off the full draft to the end, maybe try to get a group of folks on the board all together at the same time (perhaps in the chat room) on a Saturday afternoon where we can just finishing things off in more of a bang-bang fashion (with a matter of minutes between picks...if that...instead of hours).

Yeah that would work for me.

Discipline of Steel
03-25-2009, 04:51 PM
I predict the steelers will draft a DE in the first round of the Planet Steelers Mock Draft.

D Rock
03-25-2009, 05:26 PM
I predict the steelers will draft a DE in the first round of the Planet Steelers Mock Draft.

I predict his name will be Ron Brace and he will not be a DE for very long.




In other news...is there an updated time slot layout for rounds 2 and 3 posted anywhere?

BigBen2112
03-25-2009, 05:33 PM
I'll help go 7 rounds...just for the heck of it.

RuthlessBurgher
03-25-2009, 07:00 PM
I predict the following:

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RuthlessBurgher
03-25-2009, 07:05 PM
I'll help go 7 rounds...just for the heck of it.

Cool...not sure when we will do rounds 4-7 just yet. We'll be sure to keep you updated.

But round 2 will start tomorrow following the same basic schedule (there are some differences, obviously, such as New England picking second because of the Cassel trade).

WoodleyofTroy said that he will post an updated schedule for rounds 2 & 3 on the front page of the Official Selection Thread soon.

WoT said he would take Carolina and I'll take Dallas, since no one claimed either of them initially (since those two teams had no first round pick), but their drafts will begin in round 2.

BigBen2112
03-25-2009, 07:08 PM
I'll help go 7 rounds...just for the heck of it.

Cool...not sure when we will do rounds 4-7 just yet. We'll be sure to keep you updated.

But round 2 will start tomorrow following the same basic schedule (there are some differences, obviously, such as New England picking second because of the Cassel trade).

WoodleyofTroy said that he will post an updated schedule for rounds 2 & 3 on the front page of the Official Selection Thread soon.

WoT said he would take Carolina and I'll take Dallas, since no one claimed either of them initially (since those two teams had no first round pick), but their drafts will begin in round 2.

Doing through the 7th round would be fun if we can make it work somehow.

RuthlessBurgher
03-25-2009, 07:10 PM
I'll help go 7 rounds...just for the heck of it.

Cool...not sure when we will do rounds 4-7 just yet. We'll be sure to keep you updated.

But round 2 will start tomorrow following the same basic schedule (there are some differences, obviously, such as New England picking second because of the Cassel trade).

WoodleyofTroy said that he will post an updated schedule for rounds 2 & 3 on the front page of the Official Selection Thread soon.

WoT said he would take Carolina and I'll take Dallas, since no one claimed either of them initially (since those two teams had no first round pick), but their drafts will begin in round 2.

Doing through the 7th round would be fun if we can make it work somehow.

I think getting a few guys in the chat room on a Saturday could allow us to fly through rounds 4-7 pretty quickly. Then one of us could transcribe the results back on the main thread.

pfelix73
03-25-2009, 08:04 PM
I'd be in too for the full 7 rounds as long as it fits my schedule..... Saturday afternoons are not always good for me.... we'll see.

Jom112
03-25-2009, 09:20 PM
Nice selection of Alex Mack with the #32 pick. My trade, ahem, I mean the Bengals trade with the Jets was contingent on Mack not being there when we were supposed to pick in the second round.

Also if the 4-7 round mock thing is going to be on Saturday, I'll have to pass. I'll most likely be way too hung over or sleeping. Or both...

D Rock
03-25-2009, 09:31 PM
I predict the following:

http://rchaybok.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/big-mac1.jpghttp://www.prokicker.com/catalog/images/F1000_med_18abNFL%20Football.jpghttp://www.dailyventure.com/300x400/london_bigBen.jpg

not following... a little help?

WoodleyofTroy
03-25-2009, 09:38 PM
I predict the following:

http://rchaybok.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/big-mac1.jpghttp://www.prokicker.com/catalog/images/F1000_med_18abNFL%20Football.jpghttp://www.dailyventure.com/300x400/london_bigBen.jpg

not following... a little help?

Big"Mack" (Alex Mack) hiking the football to Big Ben.

WoodleyofTroy
03-25-2009, 09:40 PM
Nice selection of Alex Mack with the #32 pick. My trade, ahem, I mean the Bengals trade with the Jets was contingent on Mack not being there when we were supposed to pick in the second round.

Also if the 4-7 round mock thing is going to be on Saturday, I'll have to pass. I'll most likely be way too hung over or sleeping. Or both...

We'll make it a day where you are available, because we need you. Let's get these 3 rounds done first though.

BigBen2112
03-25-2009, 09:44 PM
Nice selection of Alex Mack with the #32 pick. My trade, ahem, I mean the Bengals trade with the Jets was contingent on Mack not being there when we were supposed to pick in the second round.

Also if the 4-7 round mock thing is going to be on Saturday, I'll have to pass. I'll most likely be way too hung over or sleeping. Or both...

We'll make it a day where you are available, because we need you. Let's get these 3 rounds done first though.

Definitely would be fun to go 7 rounds and then save this so we can have the same teams, basically, next year and keep going with it. It's fun.

WoodleyofTroy
03-25-2009, 09:51 PM
Nice selection of Alex Mack with the #32 pick. My trade, ahem, I mean the Bengals trade with the Jets was contingent on Mack not being there when we were supposed to pick in the second round.

Also if the 4-7 round mock thing is going to be on Saturday, I'll have to pass. I'll most likely be way too hung over or sleeping. Or both...

We'll make it a day where you are available, because we need you. Let's get these 3 rounds done first though.

Definitely would be fun to go 7 rounds and then save this so we can have the same teams, basically, next year and keep going with it. It's fun.

I'd be in with that.

Jom112
03-26-2009, 09:41 AM
Not sure I agree with the Aaron Maybin pick Ruthless. With Ron Brace still on the board, I think that would have been a better pick.

Plus I'm not that high on Maybin. Not sure if he can keep the weight on. He'll probably have to move to OLB...

BigBen2112
03-26-2009, 09:53 AM
Not sure I agree with the Aaron Maybin pick Ruthless. With Ron Brace still on the board, I think that would have been a better pick.

Plus I'm not that high on Maybin. Not sure if he can keep the weight on. He'll probably have to move to OLB...

I agree. They also need more OL help...they will kick Backus inside to LG...but they still need a C. I would guess if Mack had been there he'd have been the pick.

Jom112
03-26-2009, 11:27 AM
Bengals are looking to trade for a late 2nd round draft pick.

Willing to give up two 3rd round draft picks (1 this year, 1 next year). PM me if anyone is interested...

Discipline of Steel
03-26-2009, 12:38 PM
"If Cushing hates haters, then that must mean he hates himself. Which is a good trait to have when you get chosen by a losing team like the Rams. "

Now that was kind of funny Ruthless!

Discipline of Steel
03-26-2009, 12:43 PM
Not sure I agree with the Aaron Maybin pick Ruthless. With Ron Brace still on the board, I think that would have been a better pick.

Plus I'm not that high on Maybin. Not sure if he can keep the weight on. He'll probably have to move to OLB...

He only took Maybin because he knew I was planning to take Maybin earlier in the draft and that Id be salivating for him early in round 2. I knew I should have never trusted you with my picks man... :nono

Now I wont need to make that trade with you NYJ. Good thing I always have a plan B...ask my ex.

RuthlessBurgher
03-26-2009, 12:53 PM
Not sure I agree with the Aaron Maybin pick Ruthless. With Ron Brace still on the board, I think that would have been a better pick.

Plus I'm not that high on Maybin. Not sure if he can keep the weight on. He'll probably have to move to OLB...

He only took Maybin because he knew I was planning to take Maybin earlier in the draft and that Id be salivating for him early in round 2. I knew I should have never trusted you with my picks man... :nono

Now I wont need to make that trade with you NYJ. Good thing I always have a plan B...ask my ex.

Yeah, yeah...they were on your Tampa list and Tampa doesn't even have a 2nd round pick (they traded it for Winslow). I don't think Maybin was even on your top 4 possibilities for Chicago.
:P :moon :lol:

Jom112
03-26-2009, 02:55 PM
Man, I really hope the real mock doesn't go down this way for the Browns. Aaron Curry and Donald Brown.

Donald Brown behind that O-Line could mean trouble for the rest of our division...

WoodleyofTroy
03-26-2009, 03:04 PM
Man, I really hope the real mock doesn't go down this way for the Browns. Aaron Curry and Donald Brown.

Donald Brown behind that O-Line could mean trouble for the rest of our division...

:Agree

D Rock
03-26-2009, 03:31 PM
THERE HAS BEEN A TRADE!




Jags give up pick 39 and 180 (510 + 19.4 = 529.4 pts)

Dolphins give up 56 and 87 and 161 (340 + 155 + 27 = 522 pts)

BigBen2112
03-26-2009, 05:36 PM
THERE HAS BEEN A TRADE

http://www.biggmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/steelers.png
The Pittsburgh Steelers have acquired the 41st and 83rd overall selections in the 2009 NFL Draft

IN EXCHANGE FOR

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/green-bay-packers-logo.gif
The Green Bay Packers have acquired in exchange for their 41st and 83rd overall picks...the 61st, 96th, and the Steelers 4th round picks in the 2009 Draft...and the Steelers 3rd and 5th round picks in the 2010 NFL Draft

The Pittsburgh Steelers are on the clock.

WoodleyofTroy
03-26-2009, 05:41 PM
Steeler fan: Wow, we just traded! Wait, who do we want? The 9th pick in the 2nd round is a little high for Jarron Gilbert....holy sh*t!!! Steelers must have "their" guy.

BigBen2112
03-26-2009, 05:47 PM
Packers fan: Oh boy...I thought we were going to pick Ron Brace. He's big...isn't that what you need for the 34? What's goin' on?

Discipline of Steel
03-26-2009, 06:48 PM
Would anyone agree there is a possibility this draft was skewed by our love of the Steelers? Realistically, we all wanted the steelers to take Alex Mack. Maybe nobody really considered drafting him just so he would be there for us at #32. I saw Mack go earlier than #32 in many of the mock drafts produced to date. Could have been an unconscious thing...I dont know, being a scientist, Im always thinking about skewed data.

WoodleyofTroy
03-26-2009, 06:58 PM
Would anyone agree there is a possibility this draft was skewed by our love of the Steelers? Realistically, we all wanted the steelers to take Alex Mack. Maybe nobody really considered drafting him just so he would be there for us at #32. I saw Mack go earlier than #32 in many of the mock drafts produced to date. Could have been an unconscious thing...I dont know, being a scientist, Im always thinking about skewed data.

I was actually thinking the exact opposite. Guys we talk about on here, people are more familiar with, making them go higher than they should. Every draft board I go to, not site, where fans are involved, hate when Alex Mack is given to them in the first round over so many of the guys that we don't talk about on here, and that they are familiar with.

Jom112
03-27-2009, 03:28 PM
Damn you AkronSteel, you stole Jarron Gilbert before I could take him. Good selection, and I really hope the Browns F.O. isn't as smart as you...

RuthlessBurgher
03-27-2009, 03:30 PM
Damn you AkronSteel, you stole Jarron Gilbert before I could take him. Good selection, and I really hope the Browns F.O. isn't as smart as you...

Neither of you will get him because he will be a Steeler. He's been on my radar to be Aaron's Smith heir apparent for some time now.

Jom112
03-27-2009, 04:01 PM
Didn't want to disregard the defense with the first two picks, but Monroe and Wood were too good to pass up.

Plus two the players I was eyeing on the defensive side (Jarron Gilbert and Sean Smith) were taking right before I selected, so it was an easy decision...

Lonbull
03-27-2009, 04:15 PM
Would anyone agree there is a possibility this draft was skewed by our love of the Steelers? Realistically, we all wanted the steelers to take Alex Mack. Maybe nobody really considered drafting him just so he would be there for us at #32. I saw Mack go earlier than #32 in many of the mock drafts produced to date. Could have been an unconscious thing...I dont know, being a scientist, Im always thinking about skewed data.

Discipline of Steel - I would love to coordinate message boards for all 32 teams and conduct a Mock Draft with the fans of their teams. That way you'd have a better idea of what the "fans" of each team think their team needs and also what they think of the players available.

But we've got enough issues just getting everyone on the same board together - which by the way thank you to WoodleyofTroy and RuthlessBurgher for helping me out with the 49ers.

L.B.

AkronSteel
03-27-2009, 05:00 PM
Damn you AkronSteel, you stole Jarron Gilbert before I could take him. Good selection, and I really hope the Browns F.O. isn't as smart as you...

Me too brother! I think I could do a better job than the ones that have been done over the last decade. If this draft turns out like this for the Browns they could be building something strong sooner than any of us hope!

pfelix73
03-27-2009, 05:20 PM
Personally, I hope the Steelers stay away from that Gilbert.... He's too much of a risk, if you ask me.....

We need to be more concerned with a replacement for Hampton in the middle..... He's the key to our defense... One of them anyway, but he is very very important. More so than the DE's.

Discipline of Steel
03-27-2009, 06:38 PM
So the Bears did end up getting Lauranitis, excellant! 1st round they totally drafted for need and the second round they totally took the best player available. Looks like the 3rd round its back to need, I already know who they are taking.

BigBen2112
03-27-2009, 07:05 PM
How is it that the teams with the clear QB need haven't taken a QB?

Discipline of Steel
03-27-2009, 07:41 PM
How is it that the teams with the clear QB need haven't taken a QB?

I know you have been selling me on QB BB but da Bears play a run/defense style of ball. Lauri was a long range planning type of pick, kind of like Mendenhall, and there are a million vet FA QBs out there to be had.

+ I just dont like Freeman in round 1 or 2. He is big but a risk to flop.

pfelix73
03-27-2009, 07:52 PM
I used to think the same back when we had Kordell. 2 SB's later, I know that a franchise QB is necessary to win it all.....

BigBen2112
03-27-2009, 08:06 PM
I used to think the same back when we had Kordell. 2 SB's later, I know that a franchise QB is necessary to win it all.....

If Minnesota doesn't take Freeman in the 2nd then I'll know something is messed up. He'd immediately make them better.

Discipline of Steel
03-27-2009, 08:08 PM
I have read some not so complimentary things about Mr. Freeman. He is not looking like the second coming of Big Ben, despite his size.

BigBen2112
03-27-2009, 08:32 PM
I have read some not so complimentary things about Mr. Freeman. He is not looking like the second coming of Big Ben, despite his size.

I have a hard time believing that he's not better than Gus Frerotte or Tarvaris Jackson. They have John David Booty, but I doubt he's their starter of the future, although I could be wrong. Raheem Morris seems pretty high on the young QB...
Obviously, you look at him and he's a specimen to look at, Morris said of Freeman. He can throw the ball. He just didn't win enough games at Kansas State. This is a big process for him. He's trying to get into the mix. Obviously he'll be a guy that somebody takes and somebody will be pretty happy with depending on the end of the day. But he's a special talent now. I remember him coming out of high school, he looked exactly the same. He might have grown an inch because he's got his little afro coming back. He's a smart, sharp, young detailed guy from a good family, and he's a talented player. He'll show the big arm. He'll show accurate throws. He'll show the touch. He'll show the movement, all the steps...He'll do everything a quarterback needs to do and be pretty successful. He may be the sleeper, you never know.
http://tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article978122.ece

Discipline of Steel
03-27-2009, 08:42 PM
Vikings yes. QB is their greatest liability right now and they must roll the dice on Freeman.

Speaking for Chicago though, whom I currently own :P , OT was to them as QB is to Minn.

WoodleyofTroy
03-27-2009, 08:47 PM
Freeman won't be getting by Tampa Bay in the first round.

BigBen2112
03-27-2009, 08:55 PM
Freeman won't be getting by Tampa Bay in the first round.

I would agree with that...they need QB and so does Minnesota...if he gets past Tampa Minnesota will take him #1 I do believe.

Discipline of Steel
03-28-2009, 04:04 PM
Freeman won't be getting by Tampa Bay in the first round.

I hear what your saying but I hope thats not the case. I like TB and would love to see them build their D instead. Now maybe if Sanchez were to drop to them...

WoodleyofTroy
03-28-2009, 04:12 PM
Freeman won't be getting by Tampa Bay in the first round.

I hear what your saying but I hope thats not the case. I like TB and would love to see them build their D instead. Now maybe if Sanchez were to drop to them...

You (Raheem Morris) don't call Josh Freeman the next Roethlisberger, then pass him up in the draft.

Basically calling himself an idiot is what that is.

BigBen2112
03-28-2009, 04:24 PM
Freeman won't be getting by Tampa Bay in the first round.

I hear what your saying but I hope thats not the case. I like TB and would love to see them build their D instead. Now maybe if Sanchez were to drop to them...

You (Raheem Morris) don't call Josh Freeman the next Roethlisberger, then pass him up in the draft.

Basically calling himself an idiot is what that is.

Exactly. Especially when your top option otherwise is who?...McCown?

Discipline of Steel
03-28-2009, 04:56 PM
Freeman won't be getting by Tampa Bay in the first round.

I hear what your saying but I hope thats not the case. I like TB and would love to see them build their D instead. Now maybe if Sanchez were to drop to them...

You (Raheem Morris) don't call Josh Freeman the next Roethlisberger, then pass him up in the draft.

Basically calling himself an idiot is what that is.

Now I cant hear what your saying anymore. Freeman is a very far cry from Ben because Ben actually wins his games.

BigBen2112
03-28-2009, 05:00 PM
[quote=WoodleyofTroy]Freeman won't be getting by Tampa Bay in the first round.

I hear what your saying but I hope thats not the case. I like TB and would love to see them build their D instead. Now maybe if Sanchez were to drop to them...

You (Raheem Morris) don't call Josh Freeman the next Roethlisberger, then pass him up in the draft.

Basically calling himself an idiot is what that is.

Now I cant hear what your saying anymore. Freeman is a very far cry from Ben because Ben actually wins his games.[/quote:3u0reya1]

Does that matter when it was Morris who compared him to Ben? If you compare someone to the youngest QB to ever win a Super Bowl...and then DONT take him when your team is desperately in need of a QB...then you might just be laughed at.

Discipline of Steel
03-28-2009, 05:11 PM
OH, i didnt know he said that. I guess I cant hear Morris then! :lol: He is just looking for the Matt Ryan effect, since its his first year at the helm.

BigBen2112
03-28-2009, 05:17 PM
OH, i didnt know he said that. I guess I cant hear Morris then! :lol: He is just looking for the Matt Ryan effect, since its his first year at the helm.

Also...look at their QBs dude...seriously...McCown

BigBen2112
03-28-2009, 05:22 PM
Shawn Nelson is a great pick for the Giants.

WoodleyofTroy
03-28-2009, 05:28 PM
Speaking of Josh Freeman in the first (in the real draft), that pushes another player down to us at 32.

:tt2

Jom112
03-29-2009, 02:24 AM
Whoever picked for the Cardinals, great pick of Lawrence Sidbury. I was hoping he would drop to the 3rd round. That guy is going to be better than a lot of people think...

BigBen2112
03-29-2009, 08:46 AM
Whoever picked for the Cardinals, great pick of Lawrence Sidbury. I was hoping he would drop to the 3rd round. That guy is going to be better than a lot of people think...
:D :D

Thanks for the compliment.

RuthlessBurgher
03-29-2009, 10:31 AM
Now that the first two rounds are in the books, we get a glimpse at what might be available for the Steelers on Day 1.

At #32, we could have taken an o-lineman like Alex Mack, Duke Robinson, Max Unger, or Phil Loadholdt. We could have taken a CB like Darius Butler, D.J. Moore, or Coye Francies. We could have taken a d-lineman like Ron Brace or Jarron Gilbert. We could have taken a safety such as Louis Delmas, Sean Smith, or William Moore. We could have taken a WR like Brian Robiskie or Juaquin Iglesias. We could have taken a LB like James Laurinaitus, Brian Cushing, Aaron Maybin, or Larry English.

I think WoodleyofTroy made the best choice here, going with Mack. That is who I would have chosen.

At #64 (if we don't trade up), there appears to be several options. You could go with a tackle such as Jamon Meredith, Troy Kropog, or Fenuki Tupou. You could go with a guard such as Andy Levitre, Herman Johnson, or Kraig Urbik. You could go with a WR such as Derrick Williams or Louis Murphy. You could go with a d-lineman such as Fili Moala, Chris Baker, or Sammie Lee Hill. You could go CB with Macho Harris, Jarius Byrd, or Sherrod Martin.

I think the choice would come down to Moala vs. Meredith. I would lean toward using the second straight pick to help the o-line by selecting Jamon Meredith. It gives us decent depth at OT in 2009, and if they are not able to re-sign Starks or Colon beyond next season, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in 2010 to start Tony Hills in his 3rd year at LT and Jamon Meredith in his 2nd year at RT. I don't think that we would be able to get a similar quality OT prospect to Meredith on day 2, but I still think that there are several other intriguing 3-4 DE prospects that could be had later in the draft if they do not take Moala, such as his USC teammate Kyle Moore, Nebraska's Zach Potter, Stanford's Pannel Egboh, and Northern Iowa's Everette Pendescleaux.

AkronSteel
03-29-2009, 10:38 AM
Wow Ruthless! I really like what you have done for the Rams! Jason Smith, Jamon Meredith, and Jason Brown would all of the sudden make the Rams O-line very formidable! They may actually be able to compete in that division, ok well maybe not but it is definitely a good start! Bravo brother bravo!

:Clap

RuthlessBurgher
03-29-2009, 10:51 AM
Wow Ruthless! I really like what you have done for the Rams! Jason Smith, Jamon Meredith, and Jason Brown would all of the sudden make the Rams O-line very formidable! They may actually be able to compete in that division, ok well maybe not but it is definitely a good start! Bravo brother bravo!

:Clap

Thanks, man! The transformation from the "Greatest Show of Turf" years (now that Ike Bruce and Torry Holt are gone) to the "Grind It Out with Steven Jackson" years is upon us. Plus, I thought getting Brian Cushing in the early second was a bargain BPA type pick, and he should help that defense out as well.

Regarding your drafting thus far, I sure hope Cleveland is not able to get Aaron Curry, Donald Brown, and Jarron Gilbert. That would suck if someone drafting for them actually knew what they were doing for once. :wink:
:brownssuck

BigBen2112
03-29-2009, 11:29 AM
Now that the first two rounds are in the books, we get a glimpse at what might be available for the Steelers on Day 1.

At #32, we could have taken an o-lineman like Alex Mack, Duke Robinson, Max Unger, or Phil Loadholdt. We could have taken a CB like Darius Butler, D.J. Moore, or Coye Francies. We could have taken a d-lineman like Ron Brace or Jarron Gilbert. We could have taken a safety such as Louis Delmas, Sean Smith, or William Moore. We could have taken a WR like Brian Robiskie or Juaquin Iglesias. We could have taken a LB like James Laurinaitus, Brian Cushing, Aaron Maybin, or Larry English.

I think WoodleyofTroy made the best choice here, going with Mack. That is who I would have chosen.

At #64 (if we don't trade up), there appears to be several options. You could go with a tackle such as Jamon Meredith, Troy Kropog, or Fenuki Tupou. You could go with a guard such as Andy Levitre, Herman Johnson, or Kraig Urbik. You could go with a WR such as Derrick Williams or Louis Murphy. You could go with a d-lineman such as Fili Moala, Chris Baker, or Sammie Lee Hill. You could go CB with Macho Harris, Jarius Byrd, or Sherrod Martin.

I think the choice would come down to Moala vs. Meredith. I would lean toward using the second straight pick to help the o-line by selecting Jamon Meredith. It gives us decent depth at OT in 2009, and if they are not able to re-sign Starks or Colon beyond next season, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in 2010 to start Tony Hills in his 3rd year at LT and Jamon Meredith in his 2nd year at RT. I don't think that we would be able to get a similar quality OT prospect to Meredith on day 2, but I still think that there are several other intriguing 3-4 DE prospects that could be had later in the draft if they do not take Moala, such as his USC teammate Kyle Moore, Nebraska's Zach Potter, Stanford's Pannel Egboh, and Northern Iowa's Everette Pendescleaux.

I dont know exactly how accurate that is man...remember that there are some players that were taken in the 2nd who likely will actually go in the first...pushing other players down to us (Cushing+Freeman).

AkronSteel
03-29-2009, 11:32 AM
Wow Ruthless! I really like what you have done for the Rams! Jason Smith, Jamon Meredith, and Jason Brown would all of the sudden make the Rams O-line very formidable! They may actually be able to compete in that division, ok well maybe not but it is definitely a good start! Bravo brother bravo!

:Clap

Thanks, man! The transformation from the "Greatest Show of Turf" years (now that Ike Bruce and Torry Holt are gone) to the "Grind It Out with Steven Jackson" years is upon us. Plus, I thought getting Brian Cushing in the early second was a bargain BPA type pick, and he should help that defense out as well.

Regarding your drafting thus far, I sure hope Cleveland is not able to get Aaron Curry, Donald Brown, and Jarron Gilbert. That would suck if someone drafting for them actually knew what they were doing for once. :wink:
:brownssuck

I agree, Cushing was a steal in round 2 for you. I really like that draft alot!

I know what your saying about the Browns. If they add Curry, Brown, and Gilbert they will have had a real good start at rebuilding, heck they may actually be better than any of us hope. Their LB's would be from left to right Wimbley, Jackson, Leon Williams (who I actually like alot), and Curry, that is not too darn bad. Then adding Gilbert upfront to C. Williams, Cry Baby, and the Smith boys isn't too shabby either. I must admit I wasn't around on Friday so Woodley made the Brown pick for me but that is probably who I would have taken any way. I was really hoping that McCoy would have fallen into that slot.....so I have to give some of the kudos to WoT!! The Browns have alot of talent actually and if they have a really solid draft they could actually be the biggest challengers to the Super Bowl Champs (I just like saying that) in the division.

RuthlessBurgher
03-29-2009, 11:34 AM
Now that the first two rounds are in the books, we get a glimpse at what might be available for the Steelers on Day 1.

At #32, we could have taken an o-lineman like Alex Mack, Duke Robinson, Max Unger, or Phil Loadholdt. We could have taken a CB like Darius Butler, D.J. Moore, or Coye Francies. We could have taken a d-lineman like Ron Brace or Jarron Gilbert. We could have taken a safety such as Louis Delmas, Sean Smith, or William Moore. We could have taken a WR like Brian Robiskie or Juaquin Iglesias. We could have taken a LB like James Laurinaitus, Brian Cushing, Aaron Maybin, or Larry English.

I think WoodleyofTroy made the best choice here, going with Mack. That is who I would have chosen.

At #64 (if we don't trade up), there appears to be several options. You could go with a tackle such as Jamon Meredith, Troy Kropog, or Fenuki Tupou. You could go with a guard such as Andy Levitre, Herman Johnson, or Kraig Urbik. You could go with a WR such as Derrick Williams or Louis Murphy. You could go with a d-lineman such as Fili Moala, Chris Baker, or Sammie Lee Hill. You could go CB with Macho Harris, Jarius Byrd, or Sherrod Martin.

I think the choice would come down to Moala vs. Meredith. I would lean toward using the second straight pick to help the o-line by selecting Jamon Meredith. It gives us decent depth at OT in 2009, and if they are not able to re-sign Starks or Colon beyond next season, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in 2010 to start Tony Hills in his 3rd year at LT and Jamon Meredith in his 2nd year at RT. I don't think that we would be able to get a similar quality OT prospect to Meredith on day 2, but I still think that there are several other intriguing 3-4 DE prospects that could be had later in the draft if they do not take Moala, such as his USC teammate Kyle Moore, Nebraska's Zach Potter, Stanford's Pannel Egboh, and Northern Iowa's Everette Pendescleaux.

I dont know exactly how accurate that is man...remember that there are some players that were taken in the 2nd who likely will actually go in the first...pushing other players down to us (Cushing+Freeman).

Oh, I know...I'm just playing the "if this is the way it went down, what could/should we have done" game.

WoodleyofTroy
03-29-2009, 12:03 PM
At #64 (if we don't trade up), there appears to be several options. You could go with a tackle such as Jamon Meredith, Troy Kropog, or Fenuki Tupou. You could go with a guard such as Andy Levitre, Herman Johnson, or Kraig Urbik. You could go with a WR such as Derrick Williams or Louis Murphy. You could go with a d-lineman such as Fili Moala, Chris Baker, or Sammie Lee Hill. You could go CB with Macho Harris, Jarius Byrd, or Sherrod Martin.

I think the choice would come down to Moala vs. Meredith. I would lean toward using the second straight pick to help the o-line by selecting Jamon Meredith. It gives us decent depth at OT in 2009, and if they are not able to re-sign Starks or Colon beyond next season, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in 2010 to start Tony Hills in his 3rd year at LT and Jamon Meredith in his 2nd year at RT. I don't think that we would be able to get a similar quality OT prospect to Meredith on day 2, but I still think that there are several other intriguing 3-4 DE prospects that could be had later in the draft if they do not take Moala, such as his USC teammate Kyle Moore, Nebraska's Zach Potter, Stanford's Pannel Egboh, and Northern Iowa's Everette Pendescleaux.


Yeah after doing this, I'm really hoping the Steelers trade up in the 2nd round. Moala got picked at #32, but I don't see him being there, because the Packers (BigBen2112 was on his toes) were fortunate enough to jump ahead and land him. Outside of Moala, I wouldn't want anyone else at #64. I just keep seeing Urbik, Levitre, Victor Harris, etc. going as late as the end of the 3rd in mocks.

Although I picked Darius Butler, the fact that we traded up and could of landed any of those top talents who are first round prospects, was the intention. And that is what we need to do.

BigBen2112
03-29-2009, 12:09 PM
At #64 (if we don't trade up), there appears to be several options. You could go with a tackle such as Jamon Meredith, Troy Kropog, or Fenuki Tupou. You could go with a guard such as Andy Levitre, Herman Johnson, or Kraig Urbik. You could go with a WR such as Derrick Williams or Louis Murphy. You could go with a d-lineman such as Fili Moala, Chris Baker, or Sammie Lee Hill. You could go CB with Macho Harris, Jarius Byrd, or Sherrod Martin.

I think the choice would come down to Moala vs. Meredith. I would lean toward using the second straight pick to help the o-line by selecting Jamon Meredith. It gives us decent depth at OT in 2009, and if they are not able to re-sign Starks or Colon beyond next season, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in 2010 to start Tony Hills in his 3rd year at LT and Jamon Meredith in his 2nd year at RT. I don't think that we would be able to get a similar quality OT prospect to Meredith on day 2, but I still think that there are several other intriguing 3-4 DE prospects that could be had later in the draft if they do not take Moala, such as his USC teammate Kyle Moore, Nebraska's Zach Potter, Stanford's Pannel Egboh, and Northern Iowa's Everette Pendescleaux.


Yeah after doing this, I'm really hoping the Steelers trade up in the 2nd round. Moala got picked at #32, but I don't see him being there, because the Packers (BigBen2112 was on his toes) were fortunate enough to jump ahead and land him. Outside of Moala, I wouldn't want anyone else at #64. I just keep seeing Urbik, Levitre, Victor Harris, etc. going as late as the end of the 3rd in mocks.

Although I picked Darius Butler, the fact that we traded up and could of landed any of those top talents who are first round prospects, was the intention. And that is what we need to do.

So far Im really liking the way my Green Bay draft is shaping up...and if my plan works it'll look even better after the 3/4th.

BigBen2112
03-29-2009, 12:11 PM
Hardliner...I thought you'd be going Tyrone McKenzie

RuthlessBurgher
03-29-2009, 12:33 PM
I think Rashad Jennings is better than Julius Jones, T.J. Duckett, or any of the other scrubs that Seattle has now (Mo Morris signed elsewhere IIRC, but he also sucked anyway). I think Jennings might have Jamal-Lewis-in-his-prime type potential.

WoodleyofTroy
03-29-2009, 12:38 PM
I think Rashad Jennings is better than Julius Jones, T.J. Duckett, or any of the other scrubs that Seattle has now (Mo Morris signed elsewhere IIRC, but he also sucked anyway). I think Jennings might have Jamal-Lewis-in-his-prime type potential.

He would look good in shorts. 3rd and shorts that is. :)

BigBen2112
03-29-2009, 01:07 PM
I think Rashad Jennings is better than Julius Jones, T.J. Duckett, or any of the other scrubs that Seattle has now (Mo Morris signed elsewhere IIRC, but he also sucked anyway). I think Jennings might have Jamal-Lewis-in-his-prime type potential.

That's why I had to take him. I think behind the OL of Seattle he could still succeed until the OL can be completely rebuilt in time. Take some pressure off of Hasselbeck.

WoodleyofTroy
03-29-2009, 01:11 PM
I like what you did with the Jets. In my opinion they already have the talent in place on that Defense. It's now in the hands of Rex Ryan to put it together.

Getting a QB, WR, and RB, in the first 3 rounds is pretty good for a 1st year Head Coach who should be laying the ground work, oppose to just that quick fix which only leads to his firing after a couple of years..

By the way, Shonn Greene looks good in those black and gold photos.

BigBen2112
03-29-2009, 01:21 PM
I like what you did with the Jets. In my opinion they already have the talent in place on that Defense. It's now in the hands of Rex Ryan to put it together.

Getting a QB, WR, and RB, in the first 3 rounds is pretty good for a 1st year Head Coach who should be laying the ground work, oppose to just that quick fix which only leads to his firing after a couple of years..

By the way, Shonn Greene looks good in those black and gold photos.

I really like the trade up with the Jets too...I doubt Robiskie or Greene would have been there when they normally would have picked.

I was thinking about Tyrone McKenzie with the 3rd round pick...but lets be honest. Their D was good enough last year as it was...AND they didnt use Gholston well at all and they added a safety and Bart Scott.

Their offense needs a facelift...get a QB in there to learn, a WR to learn and develop with him, and a runningback to take a load off of the QB...and things could be looking UP on offense. Getting Brett Favre last year was the worst move they could possibly have made. They handcuffed me with this draft and didn't do anything for themselves long-term except to delay the inevitable. Its time to actually be SMART and build an offense that can supplement the Rex Ryan defense.

AkronSteel
03-29-2009, 03:25 PM
I like what you did with the Jets. In my opinion they already have the talent in place on that Defense. It's now in the hands of Rex Ryan to put it together.

Getting a QB, WR, and RB, in the first 3 rounds is pretty good for a 1st year Head Coach who should be laying the ground work, oppose to just that quick fix which only leads to his firing after a couple of years..

By the way, Shonn Greene looks good in those black and gold photos.

I really like the trade up with the Jets too...I doubt Robiskie or Greene would have been there when they normally would have picked.

I was thinking about Tyrone McKenzie with the 3rd round pick...but lets be honest. Their D was good enough last year as it was...AND they didnt use Gholston well at all and they added a safety and Bart Scott.

Their offense needs a facelift...get a QB in there to learn, a WR to learn and develop with him, and a runningback to take a load off of the QB...and things could be looking UP on offense. Getting Brett Favre last year was the worst move they could possibly have made. They handcuffed me with this draft and didn't do anything for themselves long-term except to delay the inevitable. Its time to actually be SMART and build an offense that can supplement the Rex Ryan defense.

I love the moves that you made for the Jets, BigBen! If those moves are made they will have a bright future. I still think that will leave them a couple of years away from really contending because it will take time for that offense to come together and gel. I don't see Sanchez, Ratliff, Clemens, or Ainge taking this team deep into the playoffs, but you definitely gave them a good start!

Chadman
03-29-2009, 06:42 PM
Ah geez....thanks Ruthless for bailing Chadman out again. Good pick for the Raiders!

Been a crazy few days- sorry guys if Chadman is holding you back on this.

WoodleyofTroy
03-29-2009, 08:29 PM
Monday and Tuesday we will be finishing up the 3rd round. After that we can take a little break and figure out a date to get together and do rounds 4 - 7. In which Round 4 will start off with the 3rd round comp picks. Anyone is welcome to join.

Rest of the 3rd round schedule:

Monday: 3/30
9:00-9:59 Houston (8-8) GM: Chavezz
10:00-10:59 San Diego (8-8) GM: Mel Blount's G
11:00-11:59 Denver (8-8) GM: AkronSteel
12:00-12:59 Washington (8-8) GM: BigBen2112
1:00-1:59 Tampa Bay (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
2:00-2:59 Detroit - from Dallas (9-7) GM: Ruthlessburgher
3:00-3:59 Pittsburgh (12-4) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Chicago (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
5:00-5:59 Philadelphia (9-6-1) GM: pfelix73
6:00-6:59 Minnesota (10-6) GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
7:00-7:59 Miami (11-5) GM: Ruthlessburgher

Tuesday: 3/31
9:00-9:59 Baltimore (11-5) GM: pfelix73
10:00-10:59 New England GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11:00-11:59 Atlanta (11-5) GM: steelblood
12:00-12:59 New York Giants (12-4) GM: johnstownsteel
1:00-1:59 Indianapolis (12-4) GM: SteelerOfDeVille
2:00-2:59 Carolina GM: WoodleyofTroy
3:00-3:59 Tennessee (13-3) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Arizona (9-7) GM: steelsun7
5:00-5:59 Green Bay (6-10) GM: BigBen2112

D Rock
03-29-2009, 08:37 PM
Monday and Tuesday we will be finishing up the 3rd round. After that we can take a little break and figure out a date to get together and do rounds 4 - 7. In which Round 4 will start off with the 3rd round comp picks. Anyone is welcome to join.

Rest of the 3rd round schedule:

Monday: 3/30
9:00-9:59 Houston (8-8) GM: Chavezz
10:00-10:59 San Diego (8-8) GM: Mel Blount's G
11:00-11:59 Denver (8-8) GM: AkronSteel
12:00-12:59 Washington (8-8) GM: BigBen2112
1:00-1:59 Tampa Bay (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
2:00-2:59 Detroit - from Dallas (9-7) GM: Ruthlessburgher
3:00-3:59 Pittsburgh (12-4) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Chicago (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
5:00-5:59 Philadelphia (9-6-1) GM: pfelix73
6:00-6:59 Minnesota (10-6) GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
7:00-7:59 Miami (11-5) GM: Ruthlessburgher
Tuesday: 3/31
9:00-9:59 Baltimore (11-5) GM: pfelix73
10:00-10:59 New England GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11:00-11:59 Atlanta (11-5) GM: steelblood
12:00-12:59 New York Giants (12-4) GM: johnstownsteel
1:00-1:59 Indianapolis (12-4) GM: SteelerOfDeVille
2:00-2:59 Carolina GM: WoodleyofTroy
3:00-3:59 Tennessee (13-3) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Arizona (9-7) GM: steelsun7
5:00-5:59 Green Bay (6-10) GM: BigBen2112

that was involved in the earlier Jacksonville-Miami trade and is my pick with the Jags now

WoodleyofTroy
03-29-2009, 08:51 PM
Rest of the 3rd round schedule:

Monday: 3/30
9:00-9:59 Houston (8-8) GM: Chavezz
10:00-10:59 San Diego (8-8) GM: Mel Blount's G
11:00-11:59 Denver (8-8) GM: AkronSteel
12:00-12:59 Washington (8-8) GM: BigBen2112
1:00-1:59 Tampa Bay (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
2:00-2:59 Detroit - from Dallas (9-7) GM: Ruthlessburgher
3:00-3:59 Pittsburgh (12-4) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Chicago (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
5:00-5:59 Philadelphia (9-6-1) GM: pfelix73
6:00-6:59 Minnesota (10-6) GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
7:00-7:59 Jacksonville GM: D Rock
Tuesday: 3/31
9:00-9:59 Baltimore (11-5) GM: pfelix73
10:00-10:59 New England GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11:00-11:59 Atlanta (11-5) GM: steelblood
12:00-12:59 New York Giants (12-4) GM: johnstownsteel
1:00-1:59 Indianapolis (12-4) GM: SteelerOfDeVille
2:00-2:59 Carolina GM: WoodleyofTroy
3:00-3:59 Tennessee (13-3) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Arizona (9-7) GM: steelsun7
5:00-5:59 Green Bay (6-10) GM: BigBen2112

that was involved in the earlier Jacksonville-Miami trade and is my pick with the Jags now[/quote]

Thanks, and fixed.

Jom112
03-30-2009, 10:40 AM
Monday and Tuesday we will be finishing up the 3rd round. After that we can take a little break and figure out a date to get together and do rounds 4 - 7. In which Round 4 will start off with the 3rd round comp picks. Anyone is welcome to join.

Rest of the 3rd round schedule:

Monday: 3/30
9:00-9:59 Houston (8-8) GM: Chavezz
10:00-10:59 San Diego (8-8) GM: Mel Blount's G
11:00-11:59 Denver (8-8) GM: AkronSteel
12:00-12:59 Washington (8-8) GM: BigBen2112
1:00-1:59 Tampa Bay (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
2:00-2:59 Detroit - from Dallas (9-7) GM: Ruthlessburgher
3:00-3:59 Pittsburgh (12-4) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Chicago (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
5:00-5:59 Philadelphia (9-6-1) GM: pfelix73
6:00-6:59 Minnesota (10-6) GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
7:00-7:59 Miami (11-5) GM: Ruthlessburgher

Tuesday: 3/31
9:00-9:59 Baltimore (11-5) GM: pfelix73
10:00-10:59 New England GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11:00-11:59 Atlanta (11-5) GM: steelblood
12:00-12:59 New York Giants (12-4) GM: johnstownsteel
1:00-1:59 Indianapolis (12-4) GM: SteelerOfDeVille
2:00-2:59 Carolina GM: WoodleyofTroy
3:00-3:59 Tennessee (13-3) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Arizona (9-7) GM: steelsun7
5:00-5:59 Green Bay (6-10) GM: BigBen2112

I still think we should do 3rd round comp picks... :stirpot

BigBen2112
03-30-2009, 10:56 AM
Monday and Tuesday we will be finishing up the 3rd round. After that we can take a little break and figure out a date to get together and do rounds 4 - 7. In which Round 4 will start off with the 3rd round comp picks. Anyone is welcome to join.

Rest of the 3rd round schedule:

Monday: 3/30
9:00-9:59 Houston (8-8) GM: Chavezz
10:00-10:59 San Diego (8-8) GM: Mel Blount's G
11:00-11:59 Denver (8-8) GM: AkronSteel
12:00-12:59 Washington (8-8) GM: BigBen2112
1:00-1:59 Tampa Bay (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
2:00-2:59 Detroit - from Dallas (9-7) GM: Ruthlessburgher
3:00-3:59 Pittsburgh (12-4) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Chicago (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
5:00-5:59 Philadelphia (9-6-1) GM: pfelix73
6:00-6:59 Minnesota (10-6) GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
7:00-7:59 Miami (11-5) GM: Ruthlessburgher

Tuesday: 3/31
9:00-9:59 Baltimore (11-5) GM: pfelix73
10:00-10:59 New England GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11:00-11:59 Atlanta (11-5) GM: steelblood
12:00-12:59 New York Giants (12-4) GM: johnstownsteel
1:00-1:59 Indianapolis (12-4) GM: SteelerOfDeVille
2:00-2:59 Carolina GM: WoodleyofTroy
3:00-3:59 Tennessee (13-3) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Arizona (9-7) GM: steelsun7
5:00-5:59 Green Bay (6-10) GM: BigBen2112

I still think we should do 3rd round comp picks... :stirpot

We're doing all 7 rounds dude...you'll get your comp picks LOL.

BigBen2112
03-30-2009, 12:31 PM
The Washington Redskins have traded their 80th overall selection to Green Bay for the 96th overall selection and the 4th round selection that the Packers acquired in the Steelers trade.

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We are not happy that we had to give up the 80th overall selection, but we understand that we have only a select few picks in the 2009 NFL Draft and would not have another pick until the 5th round if we had not made this trade. Overall we feel happy that we found a partner who was willing to trade with us and we'll regroup here and figure out who we're looking at for the 3rd and 4th round picks. We're indeed happy that we were able to acquire another selection in this years' draft and we'll look forward to seeing who is available and making more personnel decisions that are in the best interest of your Washington Redskins

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Hello all, beloved, Green Bay Packer shareholders. We're really excited to announce this trade and all our selections in the 2009 NFL Draft to you. We're really happy with our two trades and our selections thus far. Brian Orakpo will give us a dynamic outside rusher and Fili Moala was the guy we were really looking at in the 2nd to provide us with a solid 34 DE and contain-big man. Now we're happy to announce our TWO 3rd round selections. We received the 96 overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft from the Pittsburgh Steelers in our trade involving our original 2nd round selection and the 83rd selection...we were able to successfully use that pick as well as the 4th round selection we got in that trade to move back up to the 80th selection and select Jairus Byrd. In our 3rd round we have gone twice to the great program in Oregon to procure a solid offensive tackle who can play either side and we feel he can compete to start right away...although we will still be looking to bring back Mark Tauscher...We also were able to bring in a dynamic playmaking cornerback who we were really surprised was there at the 80th pick in Jairus Byrd. Byrd has good speed and very good quickness...he has great hands to make the interception and can also return kicks and punts. We're happy with our 3rd round and our whole draft thus far. We'll continue to work hard to make personnel decisions that will make all you shareholders happy and will work out best for the organization. Thank you.

Jom112
03-30-2009, 04:16 PM
Alex Mack, Darius Butler and Kraig Urbik?

This mock draft is rigged...

RuthlessBurgher
03-30-2009, 04:23 PM
Alex Mack, Darius Butler and Kraig Urbik?

This mock draft is rigged...

Every team in our division seems to be improving themselves:

Baltimore: Darrius Heyward-Bey and Connor Barwin

Cincy: Eugene Monroe and Eric Wood (instead of Levi Jones and Eric Ghiaciuc)

Cleveland: Aaron Curry, Donald Brown, and Jarron Gilbert

Pittsburgh: Alex Mack, Darius Butler, and Kraig Urbik

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 04:31 PM
LT - Max Starks
LG - Chris Kemoeatu
C - Alex Mack
RG - Kraig Urbik
RT - Willie Colon

Someone is smoking something if they think 2 rookies would start for this team.......

NO WAY!.

And Urbik is a long way off in playing anything in the NFL. Mack might be a different story, but Mack would probably play RG if anywhere. Certainly wouldn't beat out Hartwig in 2009.....

Let's be realistic.

BigBen2112
03-30-2009, 04:40 PM
LT - Max Starks
LG - Chris Kemoeatu
C - Alex Mack
RG - Kraig Urbik
RT - Willie Colon

Someone is smoking something if they think 2 rookies would start for this team.......

NO WAY!.

And Urbik is a long way off in playing anything in the NFL. Mack might be a different story, but Mack would probably play RG if anywhere. Certainly wouldn't beat out Hartwig in 2009.....

Let's be realistic.

Seriously? Urbik has a long way to go? I dont agree. I dont mean to go off here, but people who dont like Urbik I would really like to stand up and substantiate their claims against him. He was the best offensive lineman on a college OL that has repeatedly been a beacon of talent for the NFL...and has produced such notable NFL offensive linemen as Joe Thomas, the best OT in the NFL right now; Casey Rabach, long time reliable NFL center; and Mark Tauscher, a dominant cog for a long time for the Green Bay Packers. Their players are smart, agile, and know how to play the game. Urbik is no different. He's stout at 6'5 328 lbs...but is also one of the more agile OL in this draft class. He can pull and trap with the best of the offensive linemen in this years' draft...he's got versatility as he's played OG and OT...and has the strength to play either RG, LG, or RT in the NFL. He has active feet in pass protection and has a hand punch that makes him almost a better RT than interior lineman due to his ability to stave off the bull rush. Furthermore, like other Wisconsin linemen of the past he knows the game...and is intelligent...he can read the blitzes and the zone reads required in the zone scheme and dominates in those situations. How the heck is that not worth a 3rd round pick? He might make a better RT than Colon.

Jom112
03-30-2009, 04:49 PM
LT - Max Starks
LG - Chris Kemoeatu
C - Alex Mack
RG - Kraig Urbik
RT - Willie Colon

Someone is smoking something if they think 2 rookies would start for this team.......

NO WAY!.

And Urbik is a long way off in playing anything in the NFL. Mack might be a different story, but Mack would probably play RG if anywhere. Certainly wouldn't beat out Hartwig in 2009.....

Let's be realistic.

Nick Mangold came right in and started at center with no problem for the Jets. Mack is probably the best center prospect since Mangold. Maybe not as good as Mangold but definitely close behind skill wise.

Urbik might take some time but I actually think at RG he'll be able to start. After Duke Robinson, he's probably the most ready to step in and play guard right away in the NFL...

BigBen2112
03-30-2009, 05:06 PM
LT - Max Starks
LG - Chris Kemoeatu
C - Alex Mack
RG - Kraig Urbik
RT - Willie Colon

Someone is smoking something if they think 2 rookies would start for this team.......

NO WAY!.

And Urbik is a long way off in playing anything in the NFL. Mack might be a different story, but Mack would probably play RG if anywhere. Certainly wouldn't beat out Hartwig in 2009.....

Let's be realistic.

Nick Mangold came right in and started at center with no problem for the Jets. Mack is probably the best center prospect since Mangold. Maybe not as good as Mangold but definitely close behind skill wise.

Urbik might take some time but I actually think at RG he'll be able to start. After Duke Robinson, he's probably the most ready to step in and play guard right away in the NFL...

Urbik...out performed Robinson at the combine not only in the individual events but also the lineman drills. Robinson might be stronger at the point of attack, but his lateral movement is going to be hard on him if he's going to play LG at the professional level.

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 05:33 PM
1st of all, as the old saying goes.... Life is like a bunch of cherries.....

You never know how any of these guys are going to perfrom in the NFL, now do we? We're only guessing.....

Sure, maybe he will be a proven guard in this league and then again... maybe not...

I'm just getting at that this is the defending SB champions we're talking about here, and not the Lions or Jets. Our OL is set for next year as we have everyone back from last year. Like it or not, they are the OL of the SB champions. And the more these guys play together the better off we'll be and the better they get. We don't need 2 new rookies along the starting OL- just won't happen.....I could see Mack competing with Stapleton at RG, however. OR Unger.

And for the record, I'll take Jason Capizzi over any of these rooks at this point in time. Or Parquet for that matter.... Why? Because they already have NFL experience........

Just my 2 Cents worth.... :2c

BigBen2112
03-30-2009, 05:55 PM
1st of all, as the old saying goes.... Life is like a bunch of cherries.....

You never know how any of these guys are going to perfrom in the NFL, now do we? We're only guessing.....

Sure, maybe he will be a proven guard in this league and then again... maybe not...

I'm just getting at that this is the defending SB champions we're talking about here, and not the Lions or Jets. Our OL is set for next year as we have everyone back from last year. Like it or not, they are the OL of the SB champions. And the more these guys play together the better off we'll be and the better they get. We don't need 2 new rookies along the starting OL- just won't happen.....I could see Mack competing with Stapleton at RG, however. OR Unger.

And for the record, I'll take Jason Capizzi over any of these rooks at this point in time. Or Parquet for that matter.... Why? Because they already have NFL experience........

Just my 2 Cents worth.... :2c

So you dont like the pick of a guy who has been dominant at his position and has immense talent...because he's not a seasoned NFL veteran? Or a veteran of THIS OL?

AkronSteel
03-30-2009, 08:00 PM
Urbik and Mack would be great additions to this team! We need serious depth along the offensive line. I agree with the continuity thing but heck man we need some actual talent up front as well. I think Mack is an instant upgrade at RG and would move to center after this year. Stapleton is decent but he regressed as the season went along. I actually wouldn't mind seeing CK move from LG to RG because I think his skill set fits that position but I don't think that will happen. Urbik would add solid depth immediately to the interior of the OL and could develop with Hills and could form one side of the OL eventually. If the Steelers were able to add those players in the 1st and 3rd rounds I would be ecstatic. With Butler in the 2nd round they could replenish the CB position and add a legitmate threat to Gay at one corner because I don't want that guy going to camp knowing he already has a position won. He needs to earn it! That draft would frickin ROCK!

:2c

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 08:11 PM
To put it another way- NO. Unless you only draft the guy from Wisconsin later on in the 3rd or 4th round.

Look at Troy's draft so far. We're going into the 4th round and no DL. I like the CB pick, but frankly, I would've liked to have seen Brace picked at 32. Then leave the other picks as they are and I'd be happy. No way 2 OL. We have capable OL on this team already. They are young and will allow for competition for years to come. We have other needs- For example- NG, DE, and S.


Remember- the entire starting OL is back for 2009. Along with Essex, Hills, Capizzi, and Paquet. 1 more in the draft is sufficient.

WoodleyofTroy
03-30-2009, 08:17 PM
And for the record, I'll take Jason Capizzi over any of these rooks at this point in time. Or Parquet for that matter.... Why? Because they already have NFL experience........

Just my 2 Cents worth.... :2c

lol great philosophy..so I take it you were happy when the Steelers put handcuffs on LaMarr Woodley for Clark Haggans then right?

WoodleyofTroy
03-30-2009, 08:21 PM
To put it another way- NO. Unless you only draft the guy from Wisconsin later on in the 3rd or 4th round.

Look at Troy's draft so far. We're going into the 4th round and no DL. I like the CB pick, but frankly, I would've liked to have seen Brace picked at 32. Then leave the other picks as they are and I'd be happy. No way 2 OL. We have capable OL on this team already. They are young and will allow for competition for years to come. We have other needs- For example- NG, DE, and S.


Remember- the entire starting OL is back for 2009. Along with Essex, Hills, Capizzi, and Paquet. 1 more in the draft is sufficient.

We just added the best Guard in the draft in the 3rd round (yes over that fat lazy slob Duke Robinson who will end up like Simmons), and you're talking about Capizzi and Parquet lol..no offense, but I'm glad I didn't leave the Steelers in your control.

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 08:28 PM
No offense taken, but your picks aren't exactly realistic.....

Your knowledge of what goes on along the OL is minimal.

Here's the obvious. AND THIS IS FROM COLBERT AS WELL. He has said that with the signings of Starks, Kemo, Essex, and Colon we are NOT in a great need at OL at this point.

But the fan base keeps saying so..... so, I guess keep doing what you are doing... Gonna pick a OT in the 4th?

WoodleyofTroy
03-30-2009, 08:40 PM
No offense taken, but your picks aren't exactly realistic.....

Your knowledge of what goes on along the OL is minimal.

Here's the obvious. AND THIS IS FROM COLBERT AS WELL. He has said that with the signings of Starks, Kemo, Essex, and Colon we are NOT in a great need at OL at this point.

But the fan base keeps saying so..... so, I guess keep doing what you are doing... Gonna pick a OT in the 4th?

Lost: Kendall Simmons, Marvel Smith

Starks - free agent next year
Colon - free agent next year
Stapleton - free agent next year
Hartwig - free agent next year
Essex - free agent 2011

Not to mention, these aren't the greatest set of talents. But yeah you're right, bringing in potential difference makers in Mack and Urbik would just be completely pointless. :roll:

WoodleyofTroy
03-30-2009, 08:44 PM
And I didn't pick them because they were "OL". I don't go by the position theory like you. I look at the names, who has the best chance of being a great pro (aka BPA).

What DL would you have taken over Kraig Urbik in round 3?

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 09:46 PM
Stapleton could replace Hartwig
Starks could be re-signed or even franchised again
Hills or Essex could replace Colon or Colon could be re-signed.

I agree that a OL should be taken somewhere in the first 3 rounds. Just not multiple linemen. In fact, 1 OL in the whole draft would be fine with me. Why pick many and then just cut them in camp? A veteran team doesn't have too many spots on its roster for all of these OL many on here this board want to take. In reality only about 8 OL will make the 53 man roster in the end.

Starks
Stapleton
Hartwig
Kemo
Colon
Essex

That's already 6 locked in.

That leaves Hills, Capizzi and Parquet to compete with any rookies brought in... Then the practice squad. Hills is practically in on that 6 to make it 7. Capizzi is a good young T. I don't know much about butter, I mean Parquet.

That's why I would think that 1 rook would be ideal especially if you're talking the upper 4 -5 rounds of the draft. A FA or 2 after the draft just to fill out the roster will be fine for camp.

Shipley out of PSU or even a Green out of Auburn could be had with the later pick in round 3 or 4.

I will say this- I liked your pick with the CB. In fact, if you just replace Mack with Brace I'd like your picks then. You got a G in round 3 then that would be it for OL.

:tt1

BigBen2112
03-30-2009, 09:55 PM
And I didn't pick them because they were "OL". I don't go by the position theory like you. I look at the names, who has the best chance of being a great pro (aka BPA).

What DL would you have taken over Kraig Urbik in round 3?

This is one of the most odd conversations I have, or rather have been minimally, a part of. Realistically Urbik is the #2 rated OG in the 2009 NFL draft. He's played two positions, G and T, and has been good at both. Its not on PROJECTION ALONE that he projects as either a G or T...he's actually physically played them. There isn't a top 10 DE available currently, or during the time the Steelers were selecting in the 3rd...There are a couple good/decent DTs (dont really want to talk about names since this draft is still ongoing). But there is not a player better at his position than Urbik currently available. So what's the problem here again?

I mean if you really want to get down to it the Steelers in this draft have gone BPA and gotten players who make sense and make them better at positions of need. Is Mahan, err...Harwig, the future of this team at C? I think not...and I certainly hope not. Anyone who actually WATCHED this team last year has to realize this OL is not very good...Mike Tomlin sure has heck did when he called out the OL! The only thing I MIGHT, and I stress MIGHT, change is I might have taken Darrius Butler in the 1st, Jarron Gilbert in the 2nd on a slight reach, and Urbik in the 3rd...but we'd be sitting here now with no 4th round pick and no center of the future...or is that Stapleton? :lol: Overall, WoT has done a great job selecting VALUE players at the positions this team needs and getting the BPA with each selection.

For the rest of the draft, which we'll get to...I personally would do: DT, OT, and DE...there are plenty of intriguing players later in this draft, there is good late(r) round depth at positions of "need" for the Steelers, where you can afford to take positions of need who are also BPA earlier in the draft.

The picks by WoT are very realistic...although the trade might not be LOL. If Mack is there at the end of the 1st and they dont take him that means a STUD has fallen...maybe like Brian Cushing, who I know WoT was pondering taking with the 1st pick b/c of the value he had there. Furthermore, the Steelers could very well take Urbik in the 2nd...and he has value there at the end of the 2nd round. We currently do not have a starting RG btw...Simmons is gone and they already stated that they wanted competition for Stapleton...so Urbik makes a TON of sense there.

Sorry that you think the OL is good and all...but the game film and stats prove you wrong.

BigBen2112
03-30-2009, 10:17 PM
Stapleton could replace Hartwig
Starks could be re-signed or even franchised again
Hills or Essex could replace Colon or Colon could be re-signed.

I agree that a OL should be taken somewhere in the first 3 rounds. Just not multiple linemen. In fact, 1 OL in the whole draft would be fine with me. Why pick many and then just cut them in camp? A veteran team doesn't have too many spots on its roster for all of these OL many on here this board want to take. In reality only about 8 OL will make the 53 man roster in the end.

Starks
Stapleton
Hartwig
Kemo
Colon
Essex

That's already 6 locked in.

That leaves Hills, Capizzi and Parquet to compete with any rookies brought in... Then the practice squad. Hills is practically in on that 6 to make it 7. Capizzi is a good young T. I don't know much about butter, I mean Parquet.

That's why I would think that 1 rook would be ideal especially if you're talking the upper 4 -5 rounds of the draft. A FA or 2 after the draft just to fill out the roster will be fine for camp.

Shipley out of PSU or even a Green out of Auburn could be had with the later pick in round 3 or 4.

I will say this- I liked your pick with the CB. In fact, if you just replace Mack with Brace I'd like your picks then. You got a G in round 3 then that would be it for OL.

:tt1

Oh my god dude...Green out of Auburn was beaten like a rented mule all combine and Sr. Bowl long...no thank you on another OL who cant mirror the opponent.

And you talk about guys in Hills (horrific injury), Parquet, and Capizzi like they are the future of this team. They haven't even made the roster! How is Capizzi a good young OT? Did you read that on some website? Have you ever seen him? He couldn't make our roster. The three OL you've talked about...have exactly ZERO experience and don't actually profile as anything resembling Mack or Urbik...and they aren't even the same positions!

Furthermore, I dont even know of an OT in the NFL who is the height of Jason Capizzi. No wonder a knock on him has been flexion in the knees...no wonder he's been called a waste-bender instead of a knee-bender. The dude is 6'9...he's got 2-3 inches over every other OT and likely 3-4 inches, if not more, over the guys he'll be playing against. To gain proper leverage he's gotta get lower than they are...and he's going to be coming from a stance that already has him at a disadvantage over the DEs and OLBs...the only guy I can think of with his size is Jonathan Ogden, and I dont think you or anyone else is going to start comparing Jason Capizzi to Jonathan Ogden.

I think that you really need to think about TECHNIQUE when you're talking about some of these players instead of just looking at the roster and saying..."oh we have enough OL to full the roster spots...they're al good...lets not draft players who are likely better." There are teams with bigger issues than ours and with BETTER OLs than ours who drafted OL last year. Carolina, one of the best 5 OLs in the NFL, spent 3 picks on OL last year including their FIRST ROUND PICK on Jeff Otah...when they already had Travelle Wharton and Jordan Gross. Now they have 3 legitimate starting caliber OTs and they have the best OT in the NFL who isn't playing OT in Travelle Wharton. Miami has a better OL and they invested 3 picks in their OL last year as well...

The way you get a good OL is to get the pieces in place and to keep adding via the draft etc b/c of free agency and you never know what's going to happen.

You talk about Max Starks like he's signed long-term...which he's not. You mention franchising him...and what if they cant get a deal with Harrison? They can't franchise both...and Harrison needs to be kept more than Starks. You draft BPA and look at positions of need in an attempt to constantly be building. How have the Steelers been able to always have good linebackers? Well they draft a TON of them and develop them well...they need to start taking the same approach with OL b/c if you think that Ben Roethlisberger is going to continually take 50+ sacks per year and have a career as long and productive as he should and is capable of having then you're going to end up being wrong. Troy Aikman should have been able to play another 3-4 years easiliy...he was only 34 when he had to retire...but hadn't even played as long as Peyton Manning has.

You build by building...not by leaving the pieces to rot and wither away...the Pittsburgh Steelers, if they want to keep their dominance, need to rebuild and continually be building the trenches...or they're going to wind up weak and feeble at the positions that used to be an area of strength for them.

You dont pass up Mack and Urbik when they are the BPA and address a need area...at least not if you want a respectable OL.

And another thing...why the hell do you like Ron Brace so much when he's a 2nd rounder? Why do you want to reach and take him when you dont even know if his production was real or due to the fact that he had an amazing DT next to him. People will mention Casey Hampton and Shaun Rogers...yeah well Brace wasn't THAT good...and actually BJ Raji destroyed his numbers...and you gotta love the fact that the one big knock on Brace is that he hasn't faced many double-teams so you dont know how he'll do with that...exactly what you want from a 34 DT right? Why reach for him in the 1st? You really think he's THAT much better than Terrance Taylor? The stats dont think so and they also show the truth that Taylor was the main man in the middle for Michigan while Brace never was that main man. Im not saying that stats tell the whole story but...if what you're saying is to reach for a player like Brace who wouldn't be the BPA in order to pass on a center with the talent of a Nick Mangold...not sure I'll catch on with that idea.

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 11:16 PM
I've met and talked with Jason Capizzi at camp. He's a big boy and a good ball ball player. Yea, guys like him are our future......

Green has potential just like your guy from Wisconsin. Either way, we only need 1 OL in this draft. Not 3 or 4 or 5 like many of you on here think.

Grow up and get real down there at G-town.

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 11:19 PM
Urbik is rated #2 on 1 site, but on some sites further down the list. On one list, Johnson out of LSU is second. Don't know if I believe that either.

Why do many on here think that we need to use every draft pick on an OL?

LETS BE REALISTIC!

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 11:25 PM
As far as Ron Brace- where the hell do you think we are drafting? 32 is at the end of 1 and virtually a second round pick........ think.

Read some of Oviedo's comments on why we should be looking at someone like Brace. They are on other threads and I'm not going to repeat them.....

Your perception of our OL is totally different than mine. You do not agree with Colbert then? I do. What they decide they decide.....

I guess you were one of the ones last year that was buddying up with Ricker... Speaking of which where is he now? The one that was predicting an 8-8 finish primarily because of the OL's woes..... :lol:

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 11:28 PM
Talking about technique now with me?---- pretty funny. Who has div. 1 OL experience? I've played there. Granted it was a good time ago, but I did it. Been there, done that. I know a few things about technique...

Cohesiveness along the OL? Oh forget that, right? :lol:

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 11:35 PM
One last comment-

Look at my sig. No one wants another Dirt on this team more so than I.

However, with that said- guess who I'll take over ALL of your guys- Mr. Shipley out of Penn State. The kid is the 'real deal'.

pfelix73
03-30-2009, 11:53 PM
1 more last thing-

I know I know all about the BPA philosophy and totally agree with it. Could it be possible that some have Ron Brace rated ahead of Alex Mack? Ron Brace is rated by some as the #1 NG in this year's draft. Alex Mack as the #1 C too. Pretty close to being right about the same- IMO. Some cried fowl back when the Steelers chose Casey Hampton with the 20th overall pick saying it was way too early. People like the so-called draft experts.....Kiper to name 1....

The Steelers situation is as follows:

We have Hartwig and Stapleton backing him up, who could be the heir apparent....I hope not, however, as I'd like to see Shipley in there. Whom do we have behind Casey? Hokie's getting up there in age too...Therefore, I'd say that NG trumps C at this point.

Whatever- It's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.... :D

WoodleyofTroy
03-31-2009, 12:36 AM
1 more last thing-

Could it be possible that some have Ron Brace rated ahead of Alex Mack?

No.

WoodleyofTroy
03-31-2009, 12:57 AM
Just in: Steelers are rumored to be considering an Offensive Tackle in Round 4.

BigBen2112
03-31-2009, 09:30 AM
To answer some of your comments pfelix...

1) No, I was not in camp with Rick thinking that we had no chance
2) No, I dont think we need 3...4...or 5 OL selections in this years' draft...I think two premium picks of guys like Mack, Urbik, or Tupou can solve a lot of our problems...and if you think a guy who is 6'2 and can't sustain blocks...and has a problem getting bull rushed in Green is good for our OL then I guess the discussion of the OL talent is over b/c that's more unrealistic than anything WoT or I have said
3) How in god's name do you think Capizzi and Parquet are the future of our team? What evidence do you have for that? I didn't notice that you talked at ALL about the technique stuff I mentioned...you just stated you've played before at Div 1...ok...cool...I have done draft analysis for a long time and some of my stuff is on premier sites...so now that the chest thumping is out of the way could we actually talk about technique? Because if you have something I could learn I'd be all for it.
4) I notice how you didn't address the fact that teams with good OLs have built those OLs up and are continuing to add pieces...so I will take that as you agreeing with my argument...so then I guess you dont want us to have a good OL?
5) You also did not address who was a better available player in the 3rd over Urbik...what DL would you have wanted? We already got a CB so there wasn't a need to take one of those...who was a better available player?
6) About the fact that Brace could be higher on someone's draft board than Mack...yeah...maybe Al Davis' board. But I dont much want a team that he's putting together. And no...I dont know of one site or one team that thinks that Ron Brace is the #1 DT in this years' draft. If you had Ron Brace and BJ Raji still available every single team in this years' draft will select Raji. Furthermore, Brace has a mid-2nd round grade...and the last time I checked the 32nd pick isnt in the 45-55 range...but you're right it is "almost a second" round pick just like the 31, 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25, 24...they're all closer to the second round than they are to the top of the first...so are they second round picks too?
7) You also have to look at THIS draft...the particular one we're conducting...and think about things...who was a better player available in the 1st? Brian Cushing? Yes, you may be 100% right about that...but it is the belief that the steelers really did not need to add another LB that high in the draft. The next player on the board was Mack...he was available and was taken. He was the best player available at a position that made sense for the Pittsburgh Steelers. If someone else was available the thought would have been different and thus the pick might have been as well. Actually the NEXT person on the draft board was Darrius Butler...and when he was available at the Green Bay pick in the 2nd round I got contacted by WoT to think about going up and getting him...which he succeeded in doing...he addressed a real, immediate need at the CB spot and also was a dynamic player who likely should not have been available
8) Depending on how the rest of THIS draft goes I think the Steelers will look at DT, DE, OT, WR, and possibly a FB/RB...but they'll be looking for the BPA for sure.
9) In the REAL draft...if the Steelers could come out of the real draft the way I would like them to then I'd personally be thrilled and the organization would have really done a superb job...I have us taking 1 C, 1G, 1 T, 1 DT, 2 DE, 1 CB, 1 WR, and 1 S...now you can argue with me if you'd like about not needing to take that many OL, but I have us taking just as many DL. Adding 3 guys to each side of the line could be extremely beneficial in terms of organizational depth...adding another WR, hopefully one more possession oriented, can only help the depth there as well...and adding a CB and S are almost musts as our depth and future at those positions are in question as well. If the Steelers only draft ONE OL then I will be extremely disappointed (depending on whether beasts just fell to them at every position and they didn't have a chance to draft OL b/c they drafted BPA) b/c in this draft we have plenty of picks to be spread around the different need areas this organization has. There is good depth on the OL, DL, and CB in this years' draft and the Steelers should, and MUST make GOOD use of that depth at positions of looming need.
10) I just like having even numbers....but I will address something here...people need to wake up about our OL. Yeah we won a SB with that unit, but it doesnt mean they're any good or that they're as good as they could be. We had a D that carried us ALL year as our offense was one of the bigger disappointments and underachievers in the NFL...and our OL played a big part of that. Talking about the center position...Hartwig, I do believe, was statistically one of the worst, if not the worst, center in the NFL. Now statistics do not tell the whole story, nor do they simply lie either. So lets look at what could be going on...A) He could really just be the worst starting center in the NFL, B) The players on both sides of him struggled and so he tried to compensate and thusly he struggled as well, C) The numbers are simply a fabricated lie made up by those haters who dont see the greatness of every player that is on the Pittsburgh Steelers roster, or D) A combination of the above. Well, looking at those...I'd say we have a need for interior OL. You talk about AQ Shipley...great...Im a huge PSU fan...he's a nice young player...however you dont pin all your draft on hopefully getting one guy. If Mack is there and someone else hasn't fallen how do you pass him up in HOPES that AQ Shipley will be around whenever you plan on selecting him later? The answer: you dont. Obviously our interior line needs an upgrade and in THIS draft the two best players at their interior line positions were selected. Good job to WoT!

pfelix73
03-31-2009, 10:08 AM
I'll take a few of these one at a time as the day goes on... and maybe into tomorrow as well as I'm quite busy today with business.

But here's the 1st:

"5) You also did not address who was a better available player in the 3rd over Urbik...what DL would you have wanted? We already got a CB so there wasn't a need to take one of those...who was a better available player?"

I'm OK with taking a OL there in the 3rd according to this mock draft, and Urbik is one choice that sort of sits OK with me now. I just have Ron Brace rated higher on my list than I do Alex Mack. Sorry- But that's the way I look at just because I honestly believe he is the best NG in this draft and the NG are rare to come by.

Where I had the issue was taking 2 OL in the first 3 picks...... When we do these mock drafts are we trying to figure out what the team will do as a whole or are we just doing it according to how we would do it?

When I pick for the Eagles and Ratbirds, I'm trying to figure out how they might actually be doing it on draft day..... For example, from what I've read and those I've talked to, there actually is a possibility that the Eagles could take a RB and a TE in the 1st round, thus that's the way I went.... using the BPA philosophy too.....

As I get a chance to read the rest of your post today, I'll comment further................

pfelix73
03-31-2009, 10:12 AM
Oh- one other thing getting back to that 3rd round selection in THIS mock.... Some sites have Herman Johnson rated higher than Urbik... Just wanted to throw that out there.

I, however, do not think Herm Johnson would be a good pick for the Steelers because of the way they operate their offense. He is not BA's type. Perhaps I'd consider Shipley there as well.

RuthlessBurgher
03-31-2009, 10:16 AM
I'll take a few of these one at a time as the day goes on... and maybe into tomorrow as well as I'm quite busy today with business.

But here's the 1st:

"5) You also did not address who was a better available player in the 3rd over Urbik...what DL would you have wanted? We already got a CB so there wasn't a need to take one of those...who was a better available player?"

I'm OK with taking a OL there in the 3rd according to this mock draft, and Urbik is one choice that sort of sits OK with me now. I just have Ron Brace rated higher on my list than I do Alex Mack. Sorry- But that's the way I look at just because I honestly believe he is the best NG in this draft and the NG are rare to come by.

Where I had the issue was taking 2 OL in the first 3 picks...... When we do these mock drafts are we trying to figure out what the team will do as a whole or are we just doing it according to how we would do it?

When I pick for the Eagles and Ratbirds, I'm trying to figure out how they might actually be doing it on draft day..... For example, from what I've read and those I've talked to, there actually is a possibility that the Eagles could take a RB and a TE in the 1st round, thus that's the way I went.... using the BPA philosophy too.....

As I get a chance to read the rest of your post today, I'll comment further................

While you have been arguing your points on the Mock Draft Commentary Thread, you missed your pick for Baltimore this morning on the actual Mock Selection thread. Just thought I would let you know so we can keep this thing moving...

pfelix73
03-31-2009, 10:18 AM
I think Brace will make for a better fit at NG than Raji will. They are both pretty much the same size men, but watching Brace play, I think he is more stout and able to take on a double team on just about every play. Raji seems to be more able to rush the QB as a DT.... Just my take on the 2 from BC. Again, at NG, I have Brace rated the highest.

BigBen2112
03-31-2009, 10:19 AM
I'll take a few of these one at a time as the day goes on... and maybe into tomorrow as well as I'm quite busy today with business.

But here's the 1st:

"5) You also did not address who was a better available player in the 3rd over Urbik...what DL would you have wanted? We already got a CB so there wasn't a need to take one of those...who was a better available player?"

I'm OK with taking a OL there in the 3rd according to this mock draft, and Urbik is one choice that sort of sits OK with me now. I just have Ron Brace rated higher on my list than I do Alex Mack. Sorry- But that's the way I look at just because I honestly believe he is the best NG in this draft and the NG are rare to come by.

Where I had the issue was taking 2 OL in the first 3 picks...... When we do these mock drafts are we trying to figure out what the team will do as a whole or are we just doing it according to how we would do it?

When I pick for the Eagles and Ratbirds, I'm trying to figure out how they might actually be doing it on draft day..... For example, from what I've read and those I've talked to, there actually is a possibility that the Eagles could take a RB and a TE in the 1st round, thus that's the way I went.... using the BPA philosophy too.....

As I get a chance to read the rest of your post today, I'll comment further................

No problem. Take your time.

I go into these drafts looking at need and my draft philosophy of value...I then do what I think is best if I were a GM of each of my individual teams...all the while keeping my value principle and their needs in mind.

It is with those needs in mind that I went ahead and drafted Brian Orakpo, Fili Moala, Fenuki Tupou, and Jairus Byrd for Green Bay...all the while, again, those were value picks. I traded down with Green Bay on purpose...to gain extra picks to get more value out of this and subsequent drafts.

If you assign a value to each player that is eligible for the 2009 NFL draft and weigh that as you go along you will end up picking up some really good pieces.

Oh and about Brace...you'd consider Terrance Taylor equally impressive if he had not lost the weight he did. He's a space-eater who has taken on double teams and sheds them and works really well against those double teams. Taylor is now in the 305-310 area...still about 15-20 lbs from his playing weight during his most dominant year at UM. He's mean, is a run-stopper, takes on double-teams with relative ease...and had a horrible down year pushing him into the 4-6th round range currently...all because he lost 30+ lbs in an attempt to play all three downs.

BigBen2112
03-31-2009, 10:21 AM
Oh- one other thing getting back to that 3rd round selection in THIS mock.... Some sites have Herman Johnson rated higher than Urbik... Just wanted to throw that out there.

I, however, do not think Herm Johnson would be a good pick for the Steelers because of the way they operate their offense. He is not BA's type. Perhaps I'd consider Shipley there as well.

Some sites do have him rated higher than Urbik. But I wouldn't trust those...I trust my eyes, evaluation, and value slots...Johnson is HUGE...massive...and he's slow with poor footwork. I would not be happy to select him for THIS team.

He's in the mold of Philadelphia OL though so it makes some sense for you.

steelblood
03-31-2009, 11:17 AM
A few thoughts on some of the comments.

1. Benny's comment about there not being any 6'9" tackles right now. Gaither of Baltimore is 6'9" (at least according to the sites I looked at). I'm not comparing Capizzi to Gaither, just making a point. I do think Capizzi has some upside. I actually thought he did well run blocking in the preseason two years ago and was surprised we didn't make a spot for him. I agree with Benny that he is a long shot to ever be a starter.

2. PFelix's claims that we only need one linemen. That is probably true IF we only look at 2009 and aren't looking to upgrade any starters. But, the Steelers must look ahead and draft at least two linemen because of all the UFAs on the line next year. Furthermore, it is the weakest part of our team and should be upgraded (especially considering our investment in Ben). Our guards and center are not good pass protectors or run blockers. Colon is a below average talent at RT and should be upgraded by 2010.

3. Hills did not impress me last preseason. I remember many scouting reports last draft that said that he likely would not fully recover from his foot condition. If he were a possible solution, I think we'd be hearing about how he could challenge Colon this year.

RuthlessBurgher
03-31-2009, 11:24 AM
A few thoughts on some of the comments.

1. Benny's comment about there not being any 6'9" tackles right now. Gaither of Baltimore is 6'9" (at least according to the sites I looked at). I'm not comparing Capizzi to Gaither, just making a point. I do think Capizzi has some upside. I actually thought he did well run blocking in the preseason two years ago and was surprised we didn't make a spot for him. I agree with Benny that he is a long shot to ever be a starter.

2. PFelix's claims that we only need one linemen. That is probably true IF we only look at 2009 and aren't looking to upgrade any starters. But, the Steelers must look ahead and draft at least two linemen because of all the UFAs on the line next year. Furthermore, it is the weakest part of our team and should be upgraded (especially considering our investment in Ben). Our guards and center are not good pass protectors or run blockers. Colon is a below average talent at RT and should be upgraded by 2010.

3. Hills did not impress me last preseason. I remember many scouting reports last draft that said that he likely would not fully recover from his foot condition. If he were a possible solution, I think we'd be hearing about how he could challenge Colon this year.

Hey, blood. Now you are up this hour to select for the Falcons. You can leapfrog the Ratbirds and Asterisks, who have not picked this morning.

steelblood
03-31-2009, 11:27 AM
A few thoughts on some of the comments.

1. Benny's comment about there not being any 6'9" tackles right now. Gaither of Baltimore is 6'9" (at least according to the sites I looked at). I'm not comparing Capizzi to Gaither, just making a point. I do think Capizzi has some upside. I actually thought he did well run blocking in the preseason two years ago and was surprised we didn't make a spot for him. I agree with Benny that he is a long shot to ever be a starter.

2. PFelix's claims that we only need one linemen. That is probably true IF we only look at 2009 and aren't looking to upgrade any starters. But, the Steelers must look ahead and draft at least two linemen because of all the UFAs on the line next year. Furthermore, it is the weakest part of our team and should be upgraded (especially considering our investment in Ben). Our guards and center are not good pass protectors or run blockers. Colon is a below average talent at RT and should be upgraded by 2010.

3. Hills did not impress me last preseason. I remember many scouting reports last draft that said that he likely would not fully recover from his foot condition. If he were a possible solution, I think we'd be hearing about how he could challenge Colon this year.

Hey, blood. Now you are up this hour to select for the Falcons. You can leapfrog the Ratbirds and Asterisks, who have not picked this morning.

Thanks. I will. I wish I liked the corners and olbs on the board more.

BigBen2112
03-31-2009, 12:03 PM
A few thoughts on some of the comments.

1. Benny's comment about there not being any 6'9" tackles right now. Gaither of Baltimore is 6'9" (at least according to the sites I looked at). I'm not comparing Capizzi to Gaither, just making a point. I do think Capizzi has some upside. I actually thought he did well run blocking in the preseason two years ago and was surprised we didn't make a spot for him. I agree with Benny that he is a long shot to ever be a starter.

2. PFelix's claims that we only need one linemen. That is probably true IF we only look at 2009 and aren't looking to upgrade any starters. But, the Steelers must look ahead and draft at least two linemen because of all the UFAs on the line next year. Furthermore, it is the weakest part of our team and should be upgraded (especially considering our investment in Ben). Our guards and center are not good pass protectors or run blockers. Colon is a below average talent at RT and should be upgraded by 2010.

3. Hills did not impress me last preseason. I remember many scouting reports last draft that said that he likely would not fully recover from his foot condition. If he were a possible solution, I think we'd be hearing about how he could challenge Colon this year.


A couple of things:
1) My contention is that you can count the number of 6'9 OTs on one hand, maybe two if you go back very far. Gaither might be one...but again I cant really think of many...his size is a disadvantage...he's 4 INCHES taller than BigBen...I hope he doesnt ever get stood straight up.

2) My point exactly...drafting short-sighted is drafting to fail

3) I hated the Hills pick...there are still times he cant feel his leg b/c of the nerve damage................

RuthlessBurgher
03-31-2009, 06:39 PM
Well, we made it down to the bottom of round 3. If the actual draft played out like this, and the Steelers stayed put at 32, 64, and 96, I think the best available players for us with our first 3 picks would be C Alex Mack, OT Jamon Meredith, and NT Sammie Lee Hill. Time to beef up the trenches on both sides of the line! I think we will add a CB and a WR in the draft after losing BMac and Nate, but with Ike, Gay, Deshea, Roy Lewis, Fernando Bryant, and Anthony Madison at CB and Hines, Santonio, Sweed, Baker, and Nance at WR, I think we can afford to wait until round 4 & 5 to add a couple of complementary speedy guys at those positions, since I think adding big ol' beefy fellas up front is a more important priority with our early picks.

WoodleyofTroy
03-31-2009, 07:23 PM
3 Rounds are in the books. Who's in for Rounds 4 through 7 in a chat room? We'll keep our original teams plus divide the ones not taken. Hopefully we can get at least 5 people (obviously more the better).

RuthlessBurgher
03-31-2009, 08:52 PM
3 Rounds are in the books. Who's in for Rounds 4 through 7 in a chat room? We'll keep our original teams plus divide the ones not taken. Hopefully we can get at least 5 people (obviously more the better).

I can do Saturday or Sunday afternoon (I have to take the kids to a Breakfast with the Easter Bunny on Saturday morning and church on Sunday morning...but should be okay after lunch either day). If you want to do it during one of the nights this week instead, Thursday would be the only one that works for me (from, say, 5:30-8:30 or so).

BigBen2112
03-31-2009, 09:07 PM
3 Rounds are in the books. Who's in for Rounds 4 through 7 in a chat room? We'll keep our original teams plus divide the ones not taken. Hopefully we can get at least 5 people (obviously more the better).

I can do Saturday or Sunday afternoon (I have to take the kids to a Breakfast with the Easter Bunny on Saturday morning and church on Sunday morning...but should be okay after lunch either day). If you want to do it during one of the nights this week instead, Thursday would be the only one that works for me (from, say, 5:30-8:30 or so).

Thursday is a great day.

RuthlessBurgher
04-01-2009, 09:06 AM
3 Rounds are in the books. Who's in for Rounds 4 through 7 in a chat room? We'll keep our original teams plus divide the ones not taken. Hopefully we can get at least 5 people (obviously more the better).

I can do Saturday or Sunday afternoon (I have to take the kids to a Breakfast with the Easter Bunny on Saturday morning and church on Sunday morning...but should be okay after lunch either day). If you want to do it during one of the nights this week instead, Thursday would be the only one that works for me (from, say, 5:30-8:30 or so).

Thursday is a great day.

I'll be home and can be in the chat room by 5:30 p.m. EST. Can anyone else do Thursday?

Jom112
04-01-2009, 09:10 AM
3 Rounds are in the books. Who's in for Rounds 4 through 7 in a chat room? We'll keep our original teams plus divide the ones not taken. Hopefully we can get at least 5 people (obviously more the better).

I can do Saturday or Sunday afternoon (I have to take the kids to a Breakfast with the Easter Bunny on Saturday morning and church on Sunday morning...but should be okay after lunch either day). If you want to do it during one of the nights this week instead, Thursday would be the only one that works for me (from, say, 5:30-8:30 or so).

Thursday is a great day.

I'll be home and can be in the chat room by 5:30 p.m. EST. Can anyone else do Thursday?

Thursday is my travel day, so I will be on a plane. Today works for me though, if everyone else is free?

RuthlessBurgher
04-01-2009, 10:05 AM
3 Rounds are in the books. Who's in for Rounds 4 through 7 in a chat room? We'll keep our original teams plus divide the ones not taken. Hopefully we can get at least 5 people (obviously more the better).

I can do Saturday or Sunday afternoon (I have to take the kids to a Breakfast with the Easter Bunny on Saturday morning and church on Sunday morning...but should be okay after lunch either day). If you want to do it during one of the nights this week instead, Thursday would be the only one that works for me (from, say, 5:30-8:30 or so).

Thursday is a great day.

I'll be home and can be in the chat room by 5:30 p.m. EST. Can anyone else do Thursday?

Thursday is my travel day, so I will be on a plane. Today works for me though, if everyone else is free?

I will be home tonight, so I may be able to participate if that is what everyone else can do, but I would not be able to give it my full attention like I would on Thursday, Saturday, or Sunday (because my wife is home sick today...she just called and the doctor told her that she has a bad case of strep throat...so I will have to take care of her...cooking her something she can eat with such a sore throat...and the kids...cooking them something easy that they will want to eat...and keep the kids away from her so they don't get infected, etc.). If we did it tonight, I may be able to handle the 4 teams I am running now on the ol' laptop in the midst of all that ruckus, but that would be about it. If we did it Thursday, Saturday, or Sunday, I could take up to 10 teams or more as needed. If today is the best for everyone else, though, I will do what I can (you never know...the wife may nap and the kids may be content playing video games for a while, so it might work just fine).

D Rock
04-01-2009, 10:35 AM
I would like to still be involved for my team, but I'm leaving for my club volleyball nationals tournament next week and have to get all my work done this week. Live drafting wont work out but I will send my remaining team needs and prospects to someone if they will kindly take over the official selection process for the Jaguars.

WoodleyofTroy
04-01-2009, 11:27 AM
The draft is still a month away. We don't have to do it this week. I'd like as many as possible, so if that means waiting until next week or the one after...that's fine with me.

Jom112
04-03-2009, 02:06 PM
How about tomorrow or Sunday? I know Ruthless said he was free, what about everyone else?

SteelerOfDeVille
04-06-2009, 12:16 AM
my bad on the pick, guys - spring break with the kiddos - haven't been around.

RuthlessBurgher
04-07-2009, 02:07 PM
Any ideas when a few of you folks want to get together in the chat room to bang out rounds 4-7 in a much faster manner than the hour-long time slots?

This week, I have a couple of hours this evening, a couple of hours on Thursday evening, and Saturday morning or afternoon (I have a hockey game Saturday night). Obviously, Sunday is off-limits with Easter obligations for most of us. Just thought I would try to get an idea about a time when folks might be available. If it is not this week, so be it. Just remember, the actual draft is only 18 days away!

Jom112
04-07-2009, 03:50 PM
Any ideas when a few of you folks want to get together in the chat room to bang out rounds 4-7 in a much faster manner than the hour-long time slots?

This week, I have a couple of hours this evening, a couple of hours on Thursday evening, and Saturday morning or afternoon (I have a hockey game Saturday night). Obviously, Sunday is off-limits with Easter obligations for most of us. Just thought I would try to get an idea about a time when folks might be available. If it is not this week, so be it. Just remember, the actual draft is only 18 days away!

I'm free tonight or tomorrow night. After that I'm going out to town for Easter, so Monday would be the next possible day.

How does tonight look for everyone else? So far we have two, with Ruthless and myself...

WoodleyofTroy
04-07-2009, 04:38 PM
I can do tonight. Doesn't matter what time.

Jom112
04-07-2009, 04:57 PM
I can do tonight. Doesn't matter what time.

We got 3. I would say 2 or 3 more people and we should be good to go...

RuthlessBurgher
04-07-2009, 06:15 PM
I can do tonight. Doesn't matter what time.

We got 3. I would say 2 or 3 more people and we should be good to go...

I can go until about 8:30 p.m. EST tonight. If it is only a few of us, we may not be able to finish it, but may be able to get another couple of rounds in, I'd say.

Jom112
04-07-2009, 06:47 PM
I can do tonight. Doesn't matter what time.

We got 3. I would say 2 or 3 more people and we should be good to go...

I can go until about 8:30 p.m. EST tonight. If it is only a few of us, we may not be able to finish it, but may be able to get another couple of rounds in, I'd say.

I'll try to show up around then, hopefully some others will as well.

If it doesn't work out tonight, I'd say you, Woodley and pfelix73 just setup a time next week and who can show up does...

RuthlessBurgher
04-07-2009, 06:56 PM
I can do tonight. Doesn't matter what time.

We got 3. I would say 2 or 3 more people and we should be good to go...

I can go until about 8:30 p.m. EST tonight. If it is only a few of us, we may not be able to finish it, but may be able to get another couple of rounds in, I'd say.

I'll try to show up around then, hopefully some others will as well.

If it doesn't work out tonight, I'd say you, Woodley and pfelix73 just setup a time next week and who can show up does...

Actually, I said until 8:30...if you show up then, that is when I would be leaving. With just me, you, and WoT available tonight, apparently, it may be best for us to just wait until after Easter, I suppose.
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