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steelcityrules!!
03-21-2009, 10:43 AM
and I am still wondering who the hell we're targeting on day one.
I get addicted to mock drafting, but it's by far the least damaging of my vices.

version 2.0

1) William Beatty, OT UConn: I believe that the steelers and draft-nick's hyping up C alex mack is going to see him get swiped in the high 20's by a team looking for that blue-chip center. Beatty has a pretty high ceiling from what I've read, and won't need to be rushed into the lineup. This type of drafting has proven to be successful for the stillers, Beatty will be our starting tackle in 2010 if drafted.

2) Ramses Barden, WR Cal-Poly: the loss of nate the skate didn't necessarily prompt this pick, but his size and skill-sets did. Just a man amonst boys in his conference, and with the big guys we currently have on the roster, our 3-4 WR sets could be absolutely nightmareish for opposing defenses. Not a huge fan of going WR early again, but this kid could be a steal at the end of round 2.

3) Kyle Moore, DE USC: I had him pegged in here in my last mock, and doubt he lasts any farther than end of third. We might actually have to packages some picks to go up to the middle of the third to get this guy. Great potential and a year or two from being a real special 3-4 end for us.

3B) Sherrod Martin, CB Troy: injuries and age push this talented CB down to us with our comp pick at the end of the 3rd. Great ball skills and shows aggression in run support. won't shy away and would be great at special teams to start and will rotate in the nickle package. good camp competition for willie gay, and can also work out as FS

4) Tyronne Green, OG Auburn: a bit of a slip his senior season and lack of outstanding measurables has this guard sliding to the end of the 4th. Again, we have the time and ability to develop our prospects without rushing them into action, and that could be just what Green needs. Very durable and is a great athlete, almost the opposite of Kemo. has more pass-blocking traits, but could develop into an all around good guard and valuable depth at the minimum

5) Roy Miller, NT Texas: Poor man's Hampton? Casey will welcome his fellow longhorn alumnus into the fold and begin molding him to anchor the iconic steelers 3-4 base. he has the size to plug the lanes and get a good push.

6) Derrick Walker, OLB Illinois: Don't know much about him, but what the F right? maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't

7) Greg Isdaner, OG WVU: complete homer pick here, probably won't even be drafted.

Chavezz
03-21-2009, 11:36 AM
Keep in mind that the FO rarely drafts players that they don't bring in for visits or attend work outs for.

So when you're looking at making mocks weight those platers a little heavier when comparing prospects. Also gives an idea of the positions they are looking at.

AQ Shipley C Penn State
Frank Summers FB from UNLV
OT from GT (can't remember his name Webb?)
WR from Louisiana of Lafyatte (Cherry?)
Ohio State pro day, the whole braintrust was there. Apparently talked to Alex Boone which was a big shock to me.

Darrius Heyward-Bey- Our coached along with the Viking coaches were the 2 coaching staffs that were "hands on" during his work out. Suprised me there too.

steelcityrules!!
03-21-2009, 12:34 PM
Keep in mind that the FO rarely drafts players that they don't bring in for visits or attend work outs for.

So when you're looking at making mocks weight those platers a little heavier when comparing prospects. Also gives an idea of the positions they are looking at.

AQ Shipley C Penn State
Frank Summers FB from UNLV
OT from GT (can't remember his name Webb?)
WR from Louisiana of Lafyatte (Cherry?)
Ohio State pro day, the whole braintrust was there. Apparently talked to Alex Boone which was a big shock to me.

Darrius Heyward-Bey- Our coached along with the Viking coaches were the 2 coaching staffs that were "hands on" during his work out. Suprised me there too.

you think if Heyward was within striking distance, we'd make a move for him? I hope not... he's not a bad player by any means, but seems like we would have to give up alot to go get him. Then again, he might just fall to us.

don't want a WR in round 1, and would have a problem with considering him BPA at #32... but i could be wrong.

mshifko
03-21-2009, 12:49 PM
between last years draft and this years draft, i honestly am clueless regarding who we are going to pick...both years i haven't had a clue who were targeting day 1...our previous drafts were easy IMO, i saw ben, heath, santonio, and timmons coming, but didn't see mendenhall...i'm glad we have him though...

but, honestly what makes sense here? BPA, you bet ya...

Sugar
03-21-2009, 01:00 PM
I really don't have my heart set on anyone this draft. I'm actually looking forward to how it unfolds because though we have some needs I don't see anything (even the O-Line) as being all that glaring where we would have to reach for anyone.

Chavezz
03-21-2009, 02:25 PM
Keep in mind that the FO rarely drafts players that they don't bring in for visits or attend work outs for.

So when you're looking at making mocks weight those platers a little heavier when comparing prospects. Also gives an idea of the positions they are looking at.

AQ Shipley C Penn State
Frank Summers FB from UNLV
OT from GT (can't remember his name Webb?)
WR from Louisiana of Lafyatte (Cherry?)
Ohio State pro day, the whole braintrust was there. Apparently talked to Alex Boone which was a big shock to me.

Darrius Heyward-Bey- Our coached along with the Viking coaches were the 2 coaching staffs that were "hands on" during his work out. Suprised me there too.

you think if Heyward was within striking distance, we'd make a move for him? I hope not... he's not a bad player by any means, but seems like we would have to give up alot to go get him. Then again, he might just fall to us.

don't want a WR in round 1, and would have a problem with considering him BPA at #32... but i could be wrong.

I'll be very dissapointed if we spend a 1st on WR. We have Ward who's on the back end of his career but with Heath, Santonio and Sweed continuing to improve, there isn't a need for a 1st rounder.

Ben should also continue to improve and be able to produce more with less talent.

My preference for the 1st rd is OL then DL then CB.

Bandito
03-21-2009, 03:20 PM
If we are to compete against teams like the Patriots with Moss, Welker, Galloway, Greg Lewis, and a hgih draft WR, we need more than Ike, Gay, Townsend, Roy Lewis, and Anthony Madison. My first preference would be to get Ben protection, buy him a couple more seconds to throw the bomb, and open the running game. With this, I would like to go OL first and then get a shutdown corner. There are good WR prospects in rounds 2-4 and DL in late rounds.

Would also be nice to get an RT like Andrew Gardner from Georgia Tech to move Colon inside. Hopefully can get him at the end of the 5th round as I don't think Roy Miller NT would be available in the 5th. May get selected by the Texans in round 4.

SteelCzar76
03-21-2009, 03:40 PM
I'll be very dissapointed if we spend a 1st on WR. We have Ward who's on the back end of his career but with Heath, Santonio and Sweed continuing to improve, there isn't a need for a 1st rounder.

I wouldn't be if that Receiver was Percy Harvin,....the kid is phenomenal and an instant upgrade over any of our second tier receivers. He would also give us the return specialist that we have been missing since Randle El departed. And Hines cannot play forever,.....

Oracle
03-21-2009, 05:06 PM
Bandito -

I completely agree. Of course you want the BPA but only in your top 3 positions of need. In the end it's still about priorities and right now our top priority is LT. Starks is gone next year and we have no back up plan. Plus it's so hard to find those LT's in the late rounds. Same with shut down corners. Those are positions where you're facing your opponent's best athletes. You can't draft late rounders and expect them to compete on a Super Bowl level.

round one - LT
round two - CB

You can still pick up very good OL/DL players in rounds 3-5. Look how good Aaron Smith is. We all praise him as one of the best 3-4 DE's in the league right? What round was he drafted? 4th round? Of course you can get a better prospect in round one but the drop off is not as severe.

round three - OL or DL
round four - OL or DL or WR
round five - OL or WR

those are our biggest needs and i believe that formula will give you the best value / return on your investment.

steelcityrules!!
03-21-2009, 11:29 PM
Bandito -

I completely agree. Of course you want the BPA but only in your top 3 positions of need. In the end it's still about priorities and right now our top priority is LT. Starks is gone next year and we have no back up plan. Plus it's so hard to find those LT's in the late rounds. Same with shut down corners. Those are positions where you're facing your opponent's best athletes. You can't draft late rounders and expect them to compete on a Super Bowl level.

round one - LT
round two - CB

You can still pick up very good OL/DL players in rounds 3-5. Look how good Aaron Smith is. We all praise him as one of the best 3-4 DE's in the league right? What round was he drafted? 4th round? Of course you can get a better prospect in round one but the drop off is not as severe.

round three - OL or DL
round four - OL or DL or WR
round five - OL or WR

those are our biggest needs and i believe that formula will give you the best value / return on your investment.


I agree, and the last two attempts at this, i had LT or CB in the top slot. I feel that BPA for either position SHOULD be the consideration, unless a guy like Ty Jackson somehow drops to our pick.

that would be BPA for either
LT
CB
DE

the only 34 DE worthy of a first round grade is jackson no?
there are probably 2-3 LT's that carry a late 1st, early 2nd round grade, being ebon britton, beatty, or even Andre smith if he takes a tumble. Loadholt might sneak into the upper 2nd too, but isn't a true LT from what I've seen.

CB's in our sights have to be V. davis, A. smith, D. butler, or DJ moore.

then there is center.
I will agree with some that a guy like mack is a fairly safe bet at #32, but could we get almost the same protection from a guy like Luigs/wood in the end of 2?

would love to have the master key to the colbert war room to see what they are putting together.

pfelix73
03-21-2009, 11:49 PM
Why and how is Starks gone next year?

When you all say this it just baffles me to no end.......

You do know that he can be franchised again if need be.... Besides, the words out of Colbert's mouth this week were that their priorities are re-signing Harrison THEN Max Starks to long-term contracts.....

Chavezz
03-22-2009, 10:41 AM
Starks can be franchised again but his salary I BELIEVE continues to go up at a 20% increase every time he is franchised.

I can't remember the formula and I'm too lazy to look for it (it's nice today so the wife has "her" to do list for me). I think it's 120% of your previous years salary is basically how it works.

So although we COULD keep him, I think after this year of franchising it doesn't make financial sense.


SCR,

I know tyson Jackson is the #1 rated DE, I just don't think he's going to be all that great in the NFL. Look at some of the other Dlineman that have come from LSU the last few years. They were better prospects IMO and haven't panned out. Makes me think that it's basically the scheme down there.

I'd rather have a Jerron Gilbert who DOMINATED against lesser competition in the 2nd rd. He has everything you are looking for in a DE PLUS the ability to get behing the line of scrimmage to make plays.

steelz09
03-22-2009, 10:49 AM
Why and how is Starks gone next year?

When you all say this it just baffles me to no end.......

You do know that he can be franchised again if need be.... Besides, the words out of Colbert's mouth this week were that their priorities are re-signing Harrison THEN Max Starks to long-term contracts.....

the fo said that last year when they played the transition tag on max starks. that it was a 'temporary' solution until we sign him long-term. then, this year, we franchise him (paying him close to 17 mill for the past 2 years) and say the same thing.

steeler_george
03-22-2009, 10:59 AM
There are options and there are more options!!!!

With all the off season moves, we go in the is draft pretty much solid all over and still looking bright for the future. But there are player/positions that need an up grade or just depth.

1) RG/RT- Stapleton- he did well starting but see him better in a role of the backup G/C
- Colon- killed too many drives with his penalties but definitely a starter here.
* selecting LT/RT may push Colon to RG
* selecting C/G should put Stapelton back to his reserve roll
* I am not hating Stapelton, I hope he proves me wrong.
* Is it possible of having 2 new players at the right side? Don't think so but...

2) DB-either as a safety/cornerback
*penciled in starters: Ike,Gay, Clark, POL,
*nickle back and reserve CB: Townsend.... no depth after him
*reserve Safety? with 2 physical Safeties we need depth only have Carter

3) DL- need to insert youth

4) WR need competition to push Sweed and for return man on ST.

So we have 9 picks to cover 4 "needs" !!! I am just going crazy thinking of all different directions that we may go on draft day.

RuthlessBurgher
03-22-2009, 12:30 PM
Starks can be franchised again but his salary I BELIEVE continues to go up at a 20% increase every time he is franchised.

I can't remember the formula and I'm too lazy to look for it (it's nice today so the wife has "her" to do list for me). I think it's 120% of your previous years salary is basically how it works.

So although we COULD keep him, I think after this year of franchising it doesn't make financial sense.


SCR,

I know tyson Jackson is the #1 rated DE, I just don't think he's going to be all that great in the NFL. Look at some of the other Dlineman that have come from LSU the last few years. They were better prospects IMO and haven't panned out. Makes me think that it's basically the scheme down there.

I'd rather have a Jerron Gilbert who DOMINATED against lesser competition in the 2nd rd. He has everything you are looking for in a DE PLUS the ability to get behing the line of scrimmage to make plays.

I love Gilbert, and think he would be a phenomenal 2nd round pick (we may have to trade up in the 2nd to get him, though). I think it would be risky to take a guy like Gilbert in the first, since you don't know for sure how he will adapt to the requirements of a 3-4 DE, especially coming from a small school. Gilbert has more potential because of his athleticism and potential pass rush ability, but Jackson would likely be more solid against the run from the onset, which is job number one for d-linemen in a 3-4.

Snatch98
03-22-2009, 01:54 PM
Starks can be franchised again but his salary I BELIEVE continues to go up at a 20% increase every time he is franchised.

I can't remember the formula and I'm too lazy to look for it (it's nice today so the wife has "her" to do list for me). I think it's 120% of your previous years salary is basically how it works.

So although we COULD keep him, I think after this year of franchising it doesn't make financial sense.


SCR,

I know tyson Jackson is the #1 rated DE, I just don't think he's going to be all that great in the NFL. Look at some of the other Dlineman that have come from LSU the last few years. They were better prospects IMO and haven't panned out. Makes me think that it's basically the scheme down there.

I'd rather have a Jerron Gilbert who DOMINATED against lesser competition in the 2nd rd. He has everything you are looking for in a DE PLUS the ability to get behing the line of scrimmage to make plays.

I love Gilbert, and think he would be a phenomenal 2nd round pick (we may have to trade up in the 2nd to get him, though). I think it would be risky to take a guy like Gilbert in the first, since you don't know for sure how he will adapt to the requirements of a 3-4 DE, especially coming from a small school. Gilbert has more potential because of his athleticism and potential pass rush ability, but Jackson would likely be more solid against the run from the onset, which is job number one for d-linemen in a 3-4.


Didn't Gilbert say he didn't want to play in a 3-4? Not that, that would matter to a organization because if you get drafted you play where the team wants you but still...a little food for thought.

RuthlessBurgher
03-22-2009, 03:26 PM
Starks can be franchised again but his salary I BELIEVE continues to go up at a 20% increase every time he is franchised.

I can't remember the formula and I'm too lazy to look for it (it's nice today so the wife has "her" to do list for me). I think it's 120% of your previous years salary is basically how it works.

So although we COULD keep him, I think after this year of franchising it doesn't make financial sense.


SCR,

I know tyson Jackson is the #1 rated DE, I just don't think he's going to be all that great in the NFL. Look at some of the other Dlineman that have come from LSU the last few years. They were better prospects IMO and haven't panned out. Makes me think that it's basically the scheme down there.

I'd rather have a Jerron Gilbert who DOMINATED against lesser competition in the 2nd rd. He has everything you are looking for in a DE PLUS the ability to get behing the line of scrimmage to make plays.

I love Gilbert, and think he would be a phenomenal 2nd round pick (we may have to trade up in the 2nd to get him, though). I think it would be risky to take a guy like Gilbert in the first, since you don't know for sure how he will adapt to the requirements of a 3-4 DE, especially coming from a small school. Gilbert has more potential because of his athleticism and potential pass rush ability, but Jackson would likely be more solid against the run from the onset, which is job number one for d-linemen in a 3-4.


Didn't Gilbert say he didn't want to play in a 3-4? Not that, that would matter to a organization because if you get drafted you play where the team wants you but still...a little food for thought.

His body type makes him a better fit for a 3-4 than a 4-3. But there is still an adjustment period, particularly for a small school kid moving into a LeBeau defense. He is the guy that I want more than anyone else in the second round.

WoodleyofTroy
03-22-2009, 03:49 PM
round one - LT
round two - CB
round three - OL or DL
round four - OL or DL or WR
round five - OL or WR


I don't understand why people break it down by position. You have to look at the player. What if the next LT has a 3rd round grade..would you still take him at #32 over top 1st round prospects at other positions eventhough it is less of a need? Same could be said for every round.

Chavezz
03-22-2009, 04:22 PM
I hadn't heard Gilbert say that about a 34 D. I'll have to check that out.

Chadman
03-22-2009, 09:30 PM
http://www.planetsteelers.com/2009/03/s ... -analysis/ (http://www.planetsteelers.com/2009/03/steelers-draft-analysis/)

Just something to keep in mind when thinking about the Steelers draft...