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calmkiller
03-12-2009, 08:32 AM
Adam post a prediction of what comp pick will be each year. He is usually spot on in his predictions. Below is a link to what he thinks will go down this year. We get one pick, and its a 3rd rounder. Follow the link for more.

http://forums.kffl.com/showthread.php?t=247418

phillyesq
03-12-2009, 08:55 AM
I've seen his work before, and he usually is pretty accurate. It's good to see that Faneca was second in terms of contract value last offseason - the Steelers should be almost certain to get a third comp pick in return for him.

Northern_Blitz
03-12-2009, 10:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cards Czar
What about the following Cardinal FA that where signed be Cincy.

D. Blackstock 12/4
B. Johnson 16/9

Where they also added into the equations??

let me know

Neither of them were Unrestricted Free Agents.

Blackstock would have been a Restricted Free Agent, but the Cardinals did not tender him, so he was just a "street" free agent. And Brandon Johnson would have been an Exclusive Rights Free Agent but also was not tendered. Even if the Cardinals had tendered both of them, they wouldn't get any comp picks for them, because neither of them had enough seasons in the league to be true Unrestricted Free Agents. RFAs and EFAs (who can't leave anyway) don't count in the equation.


Interesting read on releasing RFAs. I think this means that A.Smith won't qualify for the Comp picks next season.

RuthlessBurgher
03-12-2009, 10:41 AM
Pretty much everyone here has been assuming this all along. One 3rd round comp pick and that is all. Likely, New England's comp pick for Samuel will come before our pick for Faneca, so it should likely go down that we have our regular 3rd round pick at 3.96, then New England's comp at 3.97, then our comp pick at 3.98. I would rather pick back-to-back, but I imagine that our two third round picks will create an asterisk sandwich.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-12-2009, 02:18 PM
Using a similar method for next year, as of right now we would probably be looking at a fourth and fifth or two fourths - especially if BMac plays well. Factoring in inflation knocks McFadden down to a fifth. This also assumes that we don't sign a UFA.

Nate - $6.25M
BMac - $5M

RuthlessBurgher
03-12-2009, 02:24 PM
Using a similar method for next year, as of right now we would probably be looking at a fourth and fifth or two fourths - especially if BMac plays well. Factoring in inflation knocks McFadden down to a fifth. This also assumes that we don't sign a UFA.

Nate - $6.25M
BMac - $5M

And I believe if we sign Galloway, he wouldn't count against us toward this formula, since he was a "street" free agent that was cut by his former team instead of a UFA whose prior contract had expired. I may be wrong, but I think that is the way it works...

NKySteeler
03-12-2009, 09:34 PM
And the compensatory pick is

Over the past few years, a gentleman who goes by the moniker of AdamJT13 on KFFL.com has picked up quite a following with his predictions about the NFL's compensatory picks.

In fact, he's become something of a Nostradamus in this area, getting an average of just under 24 of 32 correct over the past seven years. Considering nobody is really sure of how the NFL comes up with the compensatory picks, that's not bad.

Adam has come up with his list for comp picks, which won't be officially announced until the owner's meetings at the end of this month.

Here's what he came up with:

THIRD ROUND
New England (Asante Samuel, $9.3567 million per season, 15 GP/15 GS, Pro Bowl)
Pittsburgh (Alan Faneca, $7.8 million, 16/16, Pro Bowl)
Cincinnati (Justin Smith, $7 million, 16/16) possibly a fourth-round pick

FOURTH ROUND
Chicago (Bernard Berrian, $6.9 million, 16/13) possibly a third-round pick
N.Y. Giants (Gibril Wilson, $6.5008 million, 16/15) possibly a third-round pick
San Diego (Michael Turner, $5.75 million, 16/16, Pro Bowl) possibly a third-round pick
San Diego (Drayton Florence, $5.9333 million, 15/8)
Tennessee (Antwan Odom, $5.9 million, 12/8)
Indianapolis (Jake Scott, $4.8 million, 16/16) possibly a fifth-round pick

FIFTH ROUND
San Francisco (Kwame Harris, $4.6667 million, 14/11)
New England (Donte Stallworth, $4.5393 million, 11/7)
Dallas (Jacques Reeves, $4 million, 16/16) possibly a sixth-round pick
Tennessee (Travis LaBoy, $4.4 million, 13/12) possibly a sixth-round pick

SIXTH ROUND
Tennessee (Randy Starks, $3.885 million, 16/4)
New England (Randall Gay, $3.3125 million, 14/13)
Dallas (Julius Jones, $2.9 million, 15/10)
Cincinnati (Landon Johnson, $2.733 million, 15/0) possibly a seventh-round pick
San Francisco (Marques Douglas, $2.525 million, 16/0) possibly a seventh-round pick

SEVENTH ROUND
Tennessee (Ben Hartsock, $2.25 million, 11/11)
Washington (Mark Brunell, $1.755 million, 2/0)
Seattle (Chuck Darby, $1.467 million, 15/15)
Seattle (Ellis Wyms, $1.4 million, 16/0)
Chicago (John Gilmore, $1.333 million, 16/10)
Seattle (Kevin Bentley, $1.3 million, 16/7)
Chicago (Brendon Ayanbadejo, $1.223 million, 16/0, Pro Bowl)
Cincinnati (Bryan Robinson, $1.2125 million, 16/15)
Seattle (D.J. Hackett, $1.2 million, 9/2)
Jacksonville (Terry Cousin, $1.115 million, 16/0)
Detroit (net-value comp pick, lost three for $10.721 million, 38/22; signed three for $7.134 million, 42/31)
Arizona (net-value comp pick, lost three for $9.45 million, 46/42; signed three for $6.9625 million, 40/27)
Detroit (non-compensatory pick)
Kansas City (non-compensatory pick)

So Adam has the Steelers getting a third for the loss of Alan Faneca, with the loss of Clark Haggans being offset by the signing of Mewelde Moore. Adam doesn't include the signing of Keyaron Fox in his figures, so that could affect things.

Center Justin Hartwig was released by Carolina, so he was a street free agent when the Steelers signed him. He won't affect the compensatory picks, much the same way Kendall Simmons won't affect the Steelers next year.

Ozey74
03-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Interesting information!! Thanks for sharing.


:tt2

BigBen2112
03-12-2009, 10:34 PM
Using a similar method for next year, as of right now we would probably be looking at a fourth and fifth or two fourths - especially if BMac plays well. Factoring in inflation knocks McFadden down to a fifth. This also assumes that we don't sign a UFA.

Nate - $6.25M
BMac - $5M

And I believe if we sign Galloway, he wouldn't count against us toward this formula, since he was a "street" free agent that was cut by his former team instead of a UFA whose prior contract had expired. I may be wrong, but I think that is the way it works...

You are correct. You need to sign UFA for them to count in the system.

Furthermore, how'd you get Nate at 6.25M?

BigBen2112
03-12-2009, 10:40 PM
And the compensatory pick is

Over the past few years, a gentleman who goes by the moniker of AdamJT13 on KFFL.com has picked up quite a following with his predictions about the NFL's compensatory picks.

In fact, he's become something of a Nostradamus in this area, getting an average of just under 24 of 32 correct over the past seven years. Considering nobody is really sure of how the NFL comes up with the compensatory picks, that's not bad.

Adam has come up with his list for comp picks, which won't be officially announced until the owner's meetings at the end of this month.

Here's what he came up with:

THIRD ROUND
New England (Asante Samuel, $9.3567 million per season, 15 GP/15 GS, Pro Bowl)
Pittsburgh (Alan Faneca, $7.8 million, 16/16, Pro Bowl)
Cincinnati (Justin Smith, $7 million, 16/16) possibly a fourth-round pick

FOURTH ROUND
Chicago (Bernard Berrian, $6.9 million, 16/13) possibly a third-round pick
N.Y. Giants (Gibril Wilson, $6.5008 million, 16/15) possibly a third-round pick
San Diego (Michael Turner, $5.75 million, 16/16, Pro Bowl) possibly a third-round pick
San Diego (Drayton Florence, $5.9333 million, 15/8)
Tennessee (Antwan Odom, $5.9 million, 12/8)
Indianapolis (Jake Scott, $4.8 million, 16/16) possibly a fifth-round pick

FIFTH ROUND
San Francisco (Kwame Harris, $4.6667 million, 14/11)
New England (Donte Stallworth, $4.5393 million, 11/7)
Dallas (Jacques Reeves, $4 million, 16/16) possibly a sixth-round pick
Tennessee (Travis LaBoy, $4.4 million, 13/12) possibly a sixth-round pick

SIXTH ROUND
Tennessee (Randy Starks, $3.885 million, 16/4)
New England (Randall Gay, $3.3125 million, 14/13)
Dallas (Julius Jones, $2.9 million, 15/10)
Cincinnati (Landon Johnson, $2.733 million, 15/0) possibly a seventh-round pick
San Francisco (Marques Douglas, $2.525 million, 16/0) possibly a seventh-round pick

SEVENTH ROUND
Tennessee (Ben Hartsock, $2.25 million, 11/11)
Washington (Mark Brunell, $1.755 million, 2/0)
Seattle (Chuck Darby, $1.467 million, 15/15)
Seattle (Ellis Wyms, $1.4 million, 16/0)
Chicago (John Gilmore, $1.333 million, 16/10)
Seattle (Kevin Bentley, $1.3 million, 16/7)
Chicago (Brendon Ayanbadejo, $1.223 million, 16/0, Pro Bowl)
Cincinnati (Bryan Robinson, $1.2125 million, 16/15)
Seattle (D.J. Hackett, $1.2 million, 9/2)
Jacksonville (Terry Cousin, $1.115 million, 16/0)
Detroit (net-value comp pick, lost three for $10.721 million, 38/22; signed three for $7.134 million, 42/31)
Arizona (net-value comp pick, lost three for $9.45 million, 46/42; signed three for $6.9625 million, 40/27)
Detroit (non-compensatory pick)
Kansas City (non-compensatory pick)

So Adam has the Steelers getting a third for the loss of Alan Faneca, with the loss of Clark Haggans being offset by the signing of Mewelde Moore. Adam doesn't include the signing of Keyaron Fox in his figures, so that could affect things.

Center Justin Hartwig was released by Carolina, so he was a street free agent when the Steelers signed him. He won't affect the compensatory picks, much the same way Kendall Simmons won't affect the Steelers next year.

Well for comp picks you need to not sign more than you lose...so breaking even I do believe is ok.

Furthermore, Brian St. Pierre was signed by the Cardinals and I dont believe he was a street FA.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-13-2009, 08:50 AM
Using a similar method for next year, as of right now we would probably be looking at a fourth and fifth or two fourths - especially if BMac plays well. Factoring in inflation knocks McFadden down to a fifth. This also assumes that we don't sign a UFA.

Nate - $6.25M
BMac - $5M

And I believe if we sign Galloway, he wouldn't count against us toward this formula, since he was a "street" free agent that was cut by his former team instead of a UFA whose prior contract had expired. I may be wrong, but I think that is the way it works...

You are correct. You need to sign UFA for them to count in the system.

Furthermore, how'd you get Nate at 6.25M?

Brain cramp on that one. For some reason I had 4 years, $25M on my mind. :oops:

phillyesq
03-13-2009, 02:45 PM
Fox was signed at or near the vet minimum. Your salary has to be above a certain threshold to qualify in the comp formula, and his salary wasn't.

fordfixer
03-15-2009, 08:39 PM
Patriots, Steelers, Bengals Should Be Happy When Comp Picks Are Awarded

Posted Mar 13th 2009 10:00PM by JJ Cooper (RSS feed)

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/03/13/patr ... -be-happy- (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/03/13/patriots-steelers-bengals-should-be-happy-)
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Filed Under: Bengals, Patriots, Steelers, NFL Draft
When it comes to projecting which teams will receive compensatory picks, AdamJT13 is Mel Kiper, Jay Glazer and Adam Schefter rolled into one.

So now that his predictions for the 2009 compensatory picks are out, it's worth paying attention. The actual picks were be announced in less than two weeks, but considering AdamJT13's success at predicting the picks, this is a pretty good benchmark of which teams will have reasons to be happy.

The Patriots, Steelers and Bengals are predicted to the only three teams to receive third-round picks, although he notes that since several teams fell right on the line between third and fourth-round comp picks, it's possible that the Steelers and Patriots will get the only two third-round picks or as many as six teams (with the Bears, Giants and Chargers joining in) could get third round picks if the NFL is feeling generous. The Patriots will likely end up with three extra picks to go with the nine picks they already have. That makes it likely that the Patriots will be looking to deal some of their non comp picks (which can't be traded) as it's hard to see 12 draft picks making New England's roster.

And if you're wondering how valuable compensatory picks can be, just take a look back to 2005 when Leroy Hill, Nick Kaczur, Dustin Colquitt and Dominique Foxworth were all compensatory picks.

With AdamJT13's permission as he explained at his blog, here are his projections, pick by pick.

THIRD ROUND

New England (Asante Samuel, $9.3567 million per season, 15 GP/15 GS, Pro Bowl)
Pittsburgh (Alan Faneca, $7.8 million, 16/16, Pro Bowl)
Cincinnati (Justin Smith, $7 million, 16/16) possibly a fourth-round pick

FOURTH ROUND

Chicago (Bernard Berrian, $6.9 million, 16/13) possibly a third-round pick
N.Y. Giants (Gibril Wilson, $6.5008 million, 16/15) possibly a third-round pick
San Diego (Michael Turner, $5.75 million, 16/16, Pro Bowl) possibly a third-round pick
San Diego (Drayton Florence, $5.9333 million, 15/8)
Tennessee (Antwan Odom, $5.9 million, 12/8)
Indianapolis (Jake Scott, $4.8 million, 16/16) possibly a fifth-round pick

FIFTH ROUND

San Francisco (Kwame Harris, $4.6667 million, 14/11)
New England (Donte Stallworth, $4.5393 million, 11/7)
Dallas (Jacques Reeves, $4 million, 16/16) possibly a sixth-round pick
Tennessee (Travis LaBoy, $4.4 million, 13/12) possibly a sixth-round pick

SIXTH ROUND

Tennessee (Randy Starks, $3.885 million, 16/4)
New England (Randall Gay, $3.3125 million, 14/13)
Dallas (Julius Jones, $2.9 million, 15/10)
Cincinnati (Landon Johnson, $2.733 million, 15/0) possibly a seventh-round pick
San Francisco (Marques Douglas, $2.525 million, 16/0) possibly a seventh-round pick

SEVENTH ROUND

Tennessee (Ben Hartsock, $2.25 million, 11/11)
Washington (Mark Brunell, $1.755 million, 2/0)
Seattle (Chuck Darby, $1.467 million, 15/15)
Seattle (Ellis Wyms, $1.4 million, 16/0)
Chicago (John Gilmore, $1.333 million, 16/10)
Seattle (Kevin Bentley, $1.3 million, 16/7)
Chicago (Brendon Ayanbadejo, $1.223 million, 16/0, Pro Bowl)
Cincinnati (Bryan Robinson, $1.2125 million, 16/15)
Seattle (D.J. Hackett, $1.2 million, 9/2)
Jacksonville (Terry Cousin, $1.115 million, 16/0)
Detroit (net-value comp pick, lost three for $10.721 million, 38/22; signed three for $7.134 million, 42/31)
Arizona (net-value comp pick, lost three for $9.45 million, 46/42; signed three for $6.9625 million, 40/27)
Detroit (non-compensatory pick)
Kansas City (non-compensatory pick)

calmkiller
03-15-2009, 08:52 PM
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5889 (http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5889)

fordfixer
03-15-2009, 09:03 PM
http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5889

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