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WoodleyofTroy
03-04-2009, 01:30 PM
that the Steelers will be trading up for a Cornerback this year. Not because it's a position of need, but instead a guy they are very impressed with who just so happens to be a need, very similar to that of a Polamalu and Holmes. Like Colbert mentioned, he didn't trade up to get a Safety or Receiver, he traded up to get his player.

I have a strong feeling that the Steelers will become attached to this guy in the upcoming months, and will make an effort in trying to retain him.

It's been ACC / Big 10 (Miller ACC, Holmes Big10, Timmons ACC, Mendenhall Big 10) the last 4 drafts. That guy is Illinois' (staying in the Big 10) Cornerback Vontae Davis, who can also project to Free Safety.

He left his Junior season as well. Seems like the Steelers covet a lot of those in Roethlisberger, Miller, Timmons, Mendenhall who all were Juniors entering the draft.

Tale of the Tape:
Vontae Davis 5-11, 200, Cornerback, Illinois.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/58910/vontae_davis.jpg
"He would be a great fit for an aggressive team because he's an excellent blitzer. Davis is just as comfortable rushing the passer from the corner spot as he is in coverage."

"Rare aggression in run support. Physical tackler with legitimate explosive hitting ability. Can separate the ball from the ball-carrier. Times his blitzes well and can close when the opportunity presents itself. Good special teams performer with punt and kick return experience. Blocked two kicks in 2007."

Strengths: Near prototypical size with great strength for a corner; physically ready for the league ... Elite speed and can recover when beat deep (which rarely happened) ... Physical at the line of scrimmage ... Fluid hips ... Intelligence shows when he can take a receiver out of the route he wants to run ... Consistent wrap-up tackler ... Forced three fumbles in 2008 ... Smart player who does not gamble often ... Does damage in press man coverage showing a knack to bat down passes ... Diagnoses the screen, accelerates, and makes the tackle for a minimal gain ... Very high upside.

Jooser
03-04-2009, 01:34 PM
Dude just looks mean. :twisted:

RuthlessBurgher
03-04-2009, 01:39 PM
Dude may have passed Jenkins for the #1 CB on some teams' boards, though. I doubt he would be within reach.

WoodleyofTroy
03-04-2009, 01:46 PM
Dude may have passed Jenkins for the #1 CB on some teams' boards, though. I doubt he would be within reach.

I'm not even sure I'd want them to pull it off. Depending on what we'd give up, I'd rather hold out for Mack and stay put. But this is a feeling I got with Davis and the Steelers, much like we all have here that the Steelers might trade up after winning the Super Bowl similar to the first time with Holmes.

Mel Blount's G
03-04-2009, 02:07 PM
Just curious: Has anything else led you to believe that this might be one of those "the guy" types for us? Or just that he seems to fit the m.o.?

RuthlessBurgher
03-04-2009, 02:09 PM
I don't like that Zook had to bench him to "light a fire" under the kid a few short months ago (shortly after new 49ers coach Mike Singletary kicked his brother...and former combine workout freak...TE Vernon Davis off of the field entirely in the middle of a game.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2008/11/07/vernon-davis-brother-finds-a-spot-on-bench-too/


Vernon Davis’ brother finds a spot on bench, too

Posted by Dan Brown on November 7th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

Oh, those wacky Davis kids.

Vontae Davis – Vernon’s younger sibling – was benched for the start of the Illini’s game against Iowa. Apparently, Coach Ron Zook was trying to light a fire under his cornerback.

Oviedo
03-04-2009, 02:09 PM
Didn't he have some off field issues? I thought I read that he did. Maybe confusing him with another.

I think he is the second raked CB. I doubt if he last that long for us to grab.

I still advocate DL in Round 1.

WoodleyofTroy
03-04-2009, 02:25 PM
Just curious: Has anything else led you to believe that this might be one of those "the guy" types for us? Or just that he seems to fit the m.o.?

Yeah I think he fits what the Steelers and Colbert like to target. He's not your Heath Miller pick like Alex Mack (what the fans want including myself) but one of those guys that throws everyone off like the Holmes pick, making you step back and say "okay, I guess I can see that" but totally coming out of nowhere.

Lebsteel
03-04-2009, 02:34 PM
I think he will go 10-20 and there is no way we should give up draft picks for him.

ramblinjim
03-04-2009, 03:21 PM
I think he will go 10-20 and there is no way we should give up draft picks for him.


I agree here, I watched him play last year (grew up in Illinois so I'm kind of a side fan of the Illini) and he was awfully good. He's a great athlete and seems to really like to play football and hit people. Zook's MO at Illinois is that he is a great recruiter but coddles his players a bit on the field and in practice so they tend to have to have a fire lit under them. If for some reason he fell to 32 (and I read somewhere that he projects from 10-20 also) I think the Steelers would have to take a serious look at him if he's the BPA. And heck, we may be able to re-sign B-Mac so this may be a non-issue.

That being said, I'm still on with getting bigger and younger on both lines early and often in this draft.

BradshawsHairdresser
03-04-2009, 03:31 PM
Davis will be too expensive (in terms of draft picks required to trade up) for the Steelers' blood.

WoodleyofTroy
03-04-2009, 03:34 PM
Davis will be too expensive (in terms of draft picks required to trade up) for the Steelers' blood.

And if he drops like Mendenhall did around the #23 range?

Oviedo
03-04-2009, 03:45 PM
Davis will be too expensive (in terms of draft picks required to trade up) for the Steelers' blood.

And if he drops like Mendenhall did around the #23 range?

Still go DL and look for a CB in Round 2 or 3.

phillyesq
03-04-2009, 03:50 PM
I don't like that Zook had to bench him to "light a fire" under the kid a few short months ago (shortly after new 49ers coach Mike Singletary kicked his brother...and former combine workout freak...TE Vernon Davis off of the field entirely in the middle of a game.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2008/11/07/vernon-davis-brother-finds-a-spot-on-bench-too/


Vernon Davis’ brother finds a spot on bench, too

Posted by Dan Brown on November 7th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

Oh, those wacky Davis kids.

Vontae Davis – Vernon’s younger sibling – was benched for the start of the Illini’s game against Iowa. Apparently, Coach Ron Zook was trying to light a fire under his cornerback.

At first, Davis seemed intriguing. Until I got to this post.

I'm sure this is totally unfair, but with everything I've seen from Vernon, I want no part of his brother.

I like the idea of a first round corner who can also return, if the right guy is available. I think that I'd prefer somebody that has "lineman" in his position title, but I certainly wouldn't complain about a corner.

WoodleyofTroy
03-04-2009, 03:52 PM
Davis will be too expensive (in terms of draft picks required to trade up) for the Steelers' blood.

And if he drops like Mendenhall did around the #23 range?

Still go DL and look for a CB in Round 2 or 3.

You keep saying DL, but aren't naming players. That's not what Colbert does. So what if Rey Maualaga, Alex Mack, Max Unger, Alphonso Smith, Eben Britton, Darius Butler, etc. are on the board and Tyson Jackson is gone? Those players just named are 10 times the value any DL would be after Jackson.

Lebsteel
03-04-2009, 04:24 PM
Davis will be too expensive (in terms of draft picks required to trade up) for the Steelers' blood.

And if he drops like Mendenhall did around the #23 range?

Still go DL and look for a CB in Round 2 or 3.

You keep saying DL, but aren't naming players. That's not what Colbert does. So what if Rey Maualaga, Alex Mack, Max Unger, Alphonso Smith, Eben Britton, Darius Butler, etc. are on the board and Tyson Jackson is gone? Those players just named are 10 times the value any DL would be after Jackson.

If Jackson is gone, then the only DL that I can see that would be worth a reach would be Ziggy Hood. I know Ov likes Brace, but IMO he is a reach at 32. If I had the above choices, I would go Mack, Maualaga (immediately release Foote), Smith, Britton....

RuthlessBurgher
03-04-2009, 04:32 PM
I'm not sure about Hood. He seems more suited to be 4-3 DT to me.

WoodleyofTroy
03-04-2009, 07:51 PM
Davis will be too expensive (in terms of draft picks required to trade up) for the Steelers' blood.

And if he drops like Mendenhall did around the #23 range?

Still go DL and look for a CB in Round 2 or 3.

You keep saying DL, but aren't naming players. That's not what Colbert does. So what if Rey Maualaga, Alex Mack, Max Unger, Alphonso Smith, Eben Britton, Darius Butler, etc. are on the board and Tyson Jackson is gone? Those players just named are 10 times the value any DL would be after Jackson.

If Jackson is gone, then the only DL that I can see that would be worth a reach would be Ziggy Hood. I know Ov likes Brace, but IMO he is a reach at 32. If I had the above choices, I would go Mack, Maualaga (immediately release Foote), Smith, Britton....

I'd go with Fili Moala or Jarron Gilbert over both Hood and Brace. But then I'd rather just trade back into the early 2nd to do so.

RuthlessBurgher
03-04-2009, 09:26 PM
I'd go with Fili Moala or Jarron Gilbert over both Hood and Brace. But then I'd rather just trade back into the early 2nd to do so.

I'd take Gilbert or Moala at #64. I still have my eye on the o-line for #32.

WoodleyofTroy
03-04-2009, 10:37 PM
I'd go with Fili Moala or Jarron Gilbert over both Hood and Brace. But then I'd rather just trade back into the early 2nd to do so.

I'd take Gilbert or Moala at #64. I still have my eye on the o-line for #32.

and that's the best case scenario...

RuthlessBurgher
03-04-2009, 10:41 PM
I'd go with Fili Moala or Jarron Gilbert over both Hood and Brace. But then I'd rather just trade back into the early 2nd to do so.

I'd take Gilbert or Moala at #64. I still have my eye on the o-line for #32.

and that's the best case scenario...

My first mock (http://planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5505&hilit=ruthless) started out with Mack then Gilbert on day one, so I am still holding out hope for that. With Miami and Baltimore eliminating their needs for a center in the draft, it may have a chance to come true!

mshifko
03-04-2009, 10:57 PM
although illinois isn't a yearly powerhouse, they produce some studs (mendenhall, vontae davis) if we would trade up to get him, i would be thrilled...would we do it? history says yes...but only time will tell...if we keep bmac, we won't of course IMO, but if he leaves i think corner jumps up to a position i would be okay trading up to get

steelcityrules!!
03-04-2009, 10:58 PM
not gonna lie, reading that bio you posted just got me all worked up about a true STUD corner falling into our laps.

If a guy like him fell into the mid 20's, I say F-IT and go get em stillers!
how do they put this... the rich get richer?

we can still add quality D-line and O-line on day 1, even if we have to give up our 2nd to get him.

ANPSTEEL
03-04-2009, 11:09 PM
I'd go with Fili Moala or Jarron Gilbert over both Hood and Brace. But then I'd rather just trade back into the early 2nd to do so.

I'd take Gilbert or Moala at #64. I still have my eye on the o-line for #32.

and that's the best case scenario...

My first mock (http://planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5505&hilit=ruthless) started out with Mack then Gilbert on day one, so I am still holding out hope for that. With Miami and Baltimore eliminating their needs for a center in the draft, it may have a chance to come true!

that was an excellent mock draft.

the obvious problem is now Minnesota at 22.

Do they have enough other needs to not take Mack??

I just cant sit the Steelers trading up, in the first round, for a center. even if it is Mack.

Mel Blount's G
03-04-2009, 11:16 PM
Davis will be too expensive (in terms of draft picks required to trade up) for the Steelers' blood.

And if he drops like Mendenhall did around the #23 range?

Still go DL and look for a CB in Round 2 or 3.

You keep saying DL, but aren't naming players. That's not what Colbert does. So what if Rey Maualaga, Alex Mack, Max Unger, Alphonso Smith, Eben Britton, Darius Butler, etc. are on the board and Tyson Jackson is gone? Those players just named are 10 times the value any DL would be after Jackson.

If Jackson is gone, then the only DL that I can see that would be worth a reach would be Ziggy Hood. I know Ov likes Brace, but IMO he is a reach at 32. If I had the above choices, I would go Mack, Maualaga (immediately release Foote), Smith, Britton....
IMO no way possible the bolts would pass on maualaga

RuthlessBurgher
03-04-2009, 11:45 PM
I'd go with Fili Moala or Jarron Gilbert over both Hood and Brace. But then I'd rather just trade back into the early 2nd to do so.

I'd take Gilbert or Moala at #64. I still have my eye on the o-line for #32.

and that's the best case scenario...

My first mock (http://planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5505&hilit=ruthless) started out with Mack then Gilbert on day one, so I am still holding out hope for that. With Miami and Baltimore eliminating their needs for a center in the draft, it may have a chance to come true!

that was an excellent mock draft.

the obvious problem is now Minnesota at 22.

Do they have enough other needs to not take Mack??

I just cant sit the Steelers trading up, in the first round, for a center. even if it is Mack.

Minnesota's needs according to walterfootball.com:

http://www.walterfootball.com/offseason2009min.php


Offseason Needs:

Quarterback: It doesn't matter how awesome your car looks; it won't run if the engine is really bad. Tarvaris Jackson has accuracy issues, poor mechanics and a horrendous grasp of reading defenses. Gus Frerotte is good for a few bone-headed decisions per game. The Vikings need a capable quarterback to become legit Super Bowl contenders. Traded for Sage Rosenfels

Center: Matt Birk's play fell off a bit last year. He's a 33-year-old free agent, so it's unlikely that he returns to the Vikings in 2009.

Right Tackle: Ryan Cook and Marcus Johnson spent another year sucking. Nothing new here. I have no idea why Minnesota didn't upgrade this position a year ago.

Cornerback: Cedric Griffin is pretty inconsistent. The Vikings could definitely use an upgrade at corner. Re-signed Charles Gordon

Defensive Tackle: The Williams Wall is an impenetrable force, but Pat Williams turns 37 in October. Minnesota may look to draft his successor relatively early in the 2009 NFL Draft. Tendered Fred Evans

Special Teamers: The Vikings gave up FOUR punt return touchdowns in 2008. FOUR! That's ridiculous. No surprise that Brad Clueless has a horrendous special-teams unit.

Return Specialist: Charles Gordon and his 4.4-yard punt-return average isn't scaring anyone. Kick returner Maurice Hicks can't break one either.

Safety: Tyrell Johnson will take free-agent Darren Sharper's spot in the lineup. The Vikings will need some depth at safety.

ANPSTEEL
03-05-2009, 12:00 AM
Minnesota's needs according to walterfootball.com:

http://www.walterfootball.com/offseason2009min.php


Offseason Needs:

Quarterback: It doesn't matter how awesome your car looks; it won't run if the engine is really bad. Tarvaris Jackson has accuracy issues, poor mechanics and a horrendous grasp of reading defenses. Gus Frerotte is good for a few bone-headed decisions per game. The Vikings need a capable quarterback to become legit Super Bowl contenders. Traded for Sage Rosenfels

Center: Matt Birk's play fell off a bit last year. He's a 33-year-old free agent, so it's unlikely that he returns to the Vikings in 2009.

Right Tackle: Ryan Cook and Marcus Johnson spent another year sucking. Nothing new here. I have no idea why Minnesota didn't upgrade this position a year ago.

Cornerback: Cedric Griffin is pretty inconsistent. The Vikings could definitely use an upgrade at corner. Re-signed Charles Gordon

Defensive Tackle: The Williams Wall is an impenetrable force, but Pat Williams turns 37 in October. Minnesota may look to draft his successor relatively early in the 2009 NFL Draft. Tendered Fred Evans

Special Teamers: The Vikings gave up FOUR punt return touchdowns in 2008. FOUR! That's ridiculous. No surprise that Brad Clueless has a horrendous special-teams unit.

Return Specialist: Charles Gordon and his 4.4-yard punt-return average isn't scaring anyone. Kick returner Maurice Hicks can't break one either.

Safety: Tyrell Johnson will take free-agent Darren Sharper's spot in the lineup. The Vikings will need some depth at safety.


so what your saying is, besides a bunch of other positions- they really need a center.

:P :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
03-05-2009, 12:32 AM
so what your saying is, besides a bunch of other positions- they really need a center.

:P :lol:

Well, yeah. However, if available, I could see them going after Peria Jerry, Vontae Davis or D.J. Moore, Eben Britten (or Andre Smith if his stock plummets after the combine episode). They might even consider going after a pass rushing DE to play opposite of Jared Allen. The drop-off between a d-lineman, CB, or OT that they would get with the 22nd pick and one they could get in round 2 would be huge, so they would likely fill one of these positions if guys like that were available. By contrast, the difference between getting Mack in round 1, Unger or Wood in round 2, Luigs or Caldwell in round 3, or Shipley in round 4 is not nearly as stark as those other premium positions.

Steel Life
03-05-2009, 01:24 AM
My thought is that they stand pat at 32, but with multiple picks, they'll trade up in the second & possibly the third.

Oh & on Vontae....umm - no.