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Discipline of Steel
02-28-2009, 10:33 AM
It is my opinion that the Steelers plan to sign a veteran FA WR this offseason instead of use a premium draft pick to refresh their ranks. This is assuming Nate will become a rich Lion. The reason is that we only have 2 WR with significant on field experience (although both are SB MVPs). If one of them were to go down during the year, we would be left with one experienced guy and an assemblage of unproven commodities. With that said, I think the best choices available are Bryant Johnson, followed by Michael Clayton. Do you agree that a vet is the way to fill this predicted hole in our roster and who would you pick as the FA to sign?

steelblood
02-28-2009, 10:57 AM
It is my opinion that the Steelers plan to sign a veteran FA WR this offseason instead of use a premium draft pick to refresh their ranks. This is assuming Nate will become a rich Lion. The reason is that we only have 2 WR with significant on field experience (although both are SB MVPs). If one of them were to go down during the year, we would be left with one experienced guy and an assemblage of unproven commodities. With that said, I think the best choices available are Bryant Johnson, followed by Michael Clayton. Do you agree that a vet is the way to fill this predicted hole in our roster and who would you pick as the FA to sign?

The Steelers don't have much cap space left. They want to save what they have to work on Harrison's extension and sign a few role players. I doubt they sign even a 2nd tier WR.

Uncle Rico
02-28-2009, 11:03 AM
If they get desperate enough they can always bring back Cedrick Wilson and/or Willie Reid who I understand are both currently available and unwanted by the rest of the league.

RuthlessBurgher
02-28-2009, 11:25 AM
At this point, I think the most likely depth chart at WR would be Ward, Holmes, Sweed, Baker, and a rookie mid-round pick who also doubles as a return specialist. When we go to multiple WR sets, they can use Miller along with Ward, Holmes, and Sweed, plus have Moore as a dump-off option out of the backfield.

Steel Life
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
For veteran help, I like Ronald Curry...he can make the tough catch & can still get downfield. If he ends up in NE, I'll puke.

WoodleyofTroy
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
I definitely see them going after a FA rather than through the draft. They already have that in Sweed. This will be the year they get a Cedric Wilson 2 year deal type.

My top 3:
1. Ronald Curry
2. Mike Furrey
3. Drew Bennett

RuthlessBurgher
02-28-2009, 12:23 PM
I definitely see them going after a FA rather than through the draft. They already have that in Sweed. This will be the year they get a Cedric Wilson 2 year deal type.

My top 3:
1. Ronald Curry
2. Mike Furrey
3. Drew Bennett

It is interesting that two of those guys were college QB's and the other one started his pro career as a safety. But for the right price, I would be willing to take a guy like that, sure.

Discipline of Steel
02-28-2009, 02:47 PM
The thing is, you just cant start a season with only 2 veteran receivers. Baker should not be allowed to even sniff at #3 the same way Sarah Palin could not be allowed to even sniff the presidency of our country.

I think I saw somewhere that teams have formulas where each position is given a ratio of the teams total payroll. You cant say that replenishing Nates roster spot would be too expensive. Trust me, it is in their budget and long term plan. I expect the Steelers to find a veteran who hasnt won the Super Bowl lately to take a contract that approximates Nates last year.

Lebsteel
02-28-2009, 05:41 PM
The thing is, you just cant start a season with only 2 veteran receivers. Baker should not be allowed to even sniff at #3 the same way Sarah Palin could not be allowed to even sniff the presidency of our country.
I think I saw somewhere that teams have formulas where each position is given a ratio of the teams total payroll. You cant say that replenishing Nates roster spot would be too expensive. Trust me, it is in their budget and long term plan. I expect the Steelers to find a veteran who hasnt won the Super Bowl lately to take a contract that approximates Nates last year.

DOS, why the Palin comment? Oh......never mind, you must be a lefty or HHH...I understand. You and Mr. Rooney are very happy....

I do agree with your Baker comment. I'd like to see us pick up a 4th or 5th round WR in the draft. I don't buy the fact that a rookie WR can't contribute. But, if we could pick up someone like Curry or Johnson for a cap-friendly figure that would be ideal.

Discipline of Steel
02-28-2009, 07:06 PM
Sorry Leb, Ill shoot you a message on the politics. In short, I dont have any political affiliations except that Im a Steeler fan! My point was that, IMHO, those two should not be next in line for those positions is all.

With that said, Bryant is now off the list and maybe Nate has fewer options than we thought. If he returns, that would be fine in my book too. I just believe we need one more veteran, not a rookie, to round out the bulk of our receiver corps. Also think the Steelers believe that and have planned for that as well.

Lebsteel
02-28-2009, 07:16 PM
Sorry Leb, Ill shoot you a message on the politics. In short, I dont have any political affiliations except that Im a Steeler fan! My point was that, IMHO, those two should not be next in line for those positions is all.

With that said, Bryant is now off the list and maybe Nate has fewer options than we thought. If he returns, that would be fine in my book too. I just believe we need one more veteran, not a rookie, to round out the bulk of our receiver corps. Also think the Steelers believe that and have planned for that as well.

The Lions sign Johnson for $3 mil per year. I hadn't heard that. That is probably about where Nate should be, maybe $2 to 2.5 for the "hometown" discount :) Any idea how much we have left under the salary cap? I've not heard for sure about Simmons and whether or not we saved any cap space with his release.

Discipline of Steel
02-28-2009, 07:21 PM
Nothing saved on Simmons except the embarrassment of having him on the field.

TallyStiller
02-28-2009, 07:46 PM
Teams seem to be taking the approach that their veteran WR's are expendable, leaving a good selection out on the open market. I would definitely like to see us bring somebody in on a smallish one year deal to push Sweed and make sure we're not just gift wrapped handing him the #3 receiver slot - we've been good about making young guys earn their spot on the field, and I believe it'll continue.

stlrz d
02-28-2009, 08:56 PM
The thing is, you just cant start a season with only 2 veteran receivers. Baker should not be allowed to even sniff at #3 the same way Sarah Palin could not be allowed to even sniff the presidency of our country.
I think I saw somewhere that teams have formulas where each position is given a ratio of the teams total payroll. You cant say that replenishing Nates roster spot would be too expensive. Trust me, it is in their budget and long term plan. I expect the Steelers to find a veteran who hasnt won the Super Bowl lately to take a contract that approximates Nates last year.

DOS, why the Palin comment? Oh......never mind, you must be a lefty or HHH...I understand. You and Mr. Rooney are very happy....

I do agree with your Baker comment. I'd like to see us pick up a 4th or 5th round WR in the draft. I don't buy the fact that a rookie WR can't contribute. But, if we could pick up someone like Curry or Johnson for a cap-friendly figure that would be ideal.

Sorry to go OT but regardless of what side of the aisle you're on this country is better off with Caribou Barbie back in Alaska.

Back on topic, with the Lions signing Johnson does that mean we may have a shot at keeping him for a reasonable amount of $$$?

RuthlessBurgher
02-28-2009, 10:48 PM
Nothing saved on Simmons except the embarrassment of having him on the field.

Someone here reported it was something miniscule like $40,000. Four percent of a million bucks ain't much in the grand scheme of the salary cap.

RuthlessBurgher
02-28-2009, 10:59 PM
[quote="Discipline of Steel":1ixlpyuv]The thing is, you just cant start a season with only 2 veteran receivers. Baker should not be allowed to even sniff at #3 the same way Sarah Palin could not be allowed to even sniff the presidency of our country.
I think I saw somewhere that teams have formulas where each position is given a ratio of the teams total payroll. You cant say that replenishing Nates roster spot would be too expensive. Trust me, it is in their budget and long term plan. I expect the Steelers to find a veteran who hasnt won the Super Bowl lately to take a contract that approximates Nates last year.

DOS, why the Palin comment? Oh......never mind, you must be a lefty or HHH...I understand. You and Mr. Rooney are very happy....

I do agree with your Baker comment. I'd like to see us pick up a 4th or 5th round WR in the draft. I don't buy the fact that a rookie WR can't contribute. But, if we could pick up someone like Curry or Johnson for a cap-friendly figure that would be ideal.

Sorry to go OT but regardless of what side of the aisle you're on this country is better off with Caribou Barbie back in Alaska.

Back on topic, with the Lions signing Johnson does that mean we may have a shot at keeping him for a reasonable amount of $$$?[/quote:1ixlpyuv]

I would like to think so. Someone quoted Colbert earlier today (or maybe it was yesterday) stating that even after signing Kemo, he was still confident that they could fit either Nate or BMac in their plans (obviously not both). I personally would prefer BMac, but I understand that he would likely expect more $ and generate more interest out there on the market. I would welcome Nate back with open arms if he were willing to sign a deal that would be reflective of his status as a top-notch #3 WR in this league (i.e. good money but not starter money). That would all but eliminate yet another need on our draft board (unless they unexpectedly found a WR who also has returnability in the mid-to-late rounds somewhere to contribute to special teams and be a #5 WR instead of Baker).

Lebsteel
02-28-2009, 11:06 PM
[quote="Discipline of Steel":3ktn7euw]The thing is, you just cant start a season with only 2 veteran receivers. Baker should not be allowed to even sniff at #3 the same way Sarah Palin could not be allowed to even sniff the presidency of our country.
I think I saw somewhere that teams have formulas where each position is given a ratio of the teams total payroll. You cant say that replenishing Nates roster spot would be too expensive. Trust me, it is in their budget and long term plan. I expect the Steelers to find a veteran who hasnt won the Super Bowl lately to take a contract that approximates Nates last year.

DOS, why the Palin comment? Oh......never mind, you must be a lefty or HHH...I understand. You and Mr. Rooney are very happy....

I do agree with your Baker comment. I'd like to see us pick up a 4th or 5th round WR in the draft. I don't buy the fact that a rookie WR can't contribute. But, if we could pick up someone like Curry or Johnson for a cap-friendly figure that would be ideal.

Sorry to go OT but regardless of what side of the aisle you're on this country is better off with Caribou Barbie back in Alaska.
Back on topic, with the Lions signing Johnson does that mean we may have a shot at keeping him for a reasonable amount of $$$?[/quote:3ktn7euw]

Coming from the dude who doesn't like Styx. WHAT kind of American are you dude? :stirpot :lol:

OK, back on topic. If some restructuring could happen with Hines, it might be worth resigning Nate, but I really hope Sweed is one of those guys ready for a breakout year. So, if Hines is healthy, Holmes keeps improving like he has, and Sweed is ready to catch 40 or more, where does that leave Nate?

Discipline of Steel
02-28-2009, 11:20 PM
OK, back on topic. If some restructuring could happen with Hines, it might be worth resigning Nate, but I really hope Sweed is one of those guys ready for a breakout year. So, if Hines is healthy, Holmes keeps improving like he has, and Sweed is ready to catch 40 or more, where does that leave Nate?

Thats my whole point with this thread (and the other thread about rookies contributing)....I suspect the Steelers have money budgeted for Nates roster spot, whether Nate is the guy to get that money or not. Better to let BMac go than Nate, and draft a CB than WR. I think a good rookie CB can step in and contribute more quickly than a highly touted rookie Wr.

Lebsteel
02-28-2009, 11:32 PM
OK, back on topic. If some restructuring could happen with Hines, it might be worth resigning Nate, but I really hope Sweed is one of those guys ready for a breakout year. So, if Hines is healthy, Holmes keeps improving like he has, and Sweed is ready to catch 40 or more, where does that leave Nate?

Thats my whole point with this thread (and the other thread about rookies contributing)....I suspect the Steelers have money budgeted for Nates roster spot, whether Nate is the guy to get that money or not. Better to let BMac go than Nate, and draft a CB than WR. I think a good rookie CB can step in and contribute more quickly than a highly touted rookie Wr.

A good rookie CB that can play special teams and return kicks and we are set!

Discipline of Steel
02-28-2009, 11:49 PM
OK, back on topic. If some restructuring could happen with Hines, it might be worth resigning Nate, but I really hope Sweed is one of those guys ready for a breakout year. So, if Hines is healthy, Holmes keeps improving like he has, and Sweed is ready to catch 40 or more, where does that leave Nate?

Thats my whole point with this thread (and the other thread about rookies contributing)....I suspect the Steelers have money budgeted for Nates roster spot, whether Nate is the guy to get that money or not. Better to let BMac go than Nate, and draft a CB than WR. I think a good rookie CB can step in and contribute more quickly than a highly touted rookie Wr.

A good rookie CB that can play special teams and return kicks and we are set!

That is why I like Darius Butler, but he would be our 1.32 At least we are solidified on the OL and can wait till our 2 and 3rd rounds to find the beef.

steelcityrules!!
03-01-2009, 02:02 AM
caribou barbie...

thats funny.