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steeler_george
02-27-2009, 04:47 AM
Quick review.

Start of 2008 Starters
LT- Smith
LT-Kemo
OC-Hatwig
RG-Simmons
RT-Colon

End of 2008 Starters
LT- Starks
LG- Kemo
OC-Hatwig
RG-Stapleton
RT-Colon

Projected 2009 Starters

LT- Starks
LG- ______
OC- Hartwig
RG-______ (as roster stands, I would pencil in Stapleton, but I see him as a reserve.)
RT-Colon


Current OL Roster

T- Starks, Colon, Hills, Capizzi
G- Stapelton, Parquet
C- Hartwig

FA- Essex & Kemo


* ONLY 2 STARTERS FROM THE START OF 2008 RETURN

* ONLY 3 STARTERS FROM THE END OF 2008 RETURN

* In all reality, we currently have only 5 OL players signed and we usually carry more than 11. Capizi & Parquet don't thrill me, they are just warm bodies and nothing like Stapleton. At least, around this time last year, we heard praise for him by the coaches.

* The key reason why the team signed Starks and Colon is there is absolutely no depth on the OL. They are both known to the organization, and their position is the hardest to replace on the OL. Must give praise to Max for last years performance.

* Keep hearing deep draft for IOL, and projected RT. Exactly what we need. I am hoping to gain more 2nd-3rd round picks.

* We will pick up a FA, such as a Hartwig, at both G & T. We need depth, even if it is our own FA. If it is Kemo or Essex so be it, but both are replaceable in my opinion with more value on Essex's player flexibilty.

* Any word on Hills? Hopefully healthy and progressing. Might be the biggest factor going into FA and the Draft.

* Keep an eye on coach porn...this is going to make or break him this year.

Oviedo
02-27-2009, 09:18 AM
I think the FO will try to get one mid-level veteran in free agency. Someone like Donald Penn (TB) or Dan Loper (Tenn). Resigning Essex also becomes more of a priority.

I have to think releasing Simmons means two things: Physically the team knows he can't make it back and Hills may be ready to step in at RT and Colon move to Guard.

In the draft I think this means we can expect to see 3 offensive linemen drafted. I would guess two in the first four picks, but would not be shocked to see 3 or the first 4 spent on the OL.

I think that this increases the possibility of Mack, Unger or Robinson at 1.32 with Loadholdt and outside shot and probably another interior lineman with our Round 2 or 3 pick.

Then again every year we think we have it figured out and Colbert throws us a curveball.

calmkiller
02-27-2009, 09:23 AM
As of right now our OL would look like

LT - Starks
LG - FA/Rook
C - Hartwig
RG - Stapelton
RT - Hills

Oviedo
02-27-2009, 09:25 AM
As of right now our OL would look like

LT - Starks
LG - FA/Rook
C - Hartwig
RG - Stapelton
RT - Hills

I really hate Stapleton at Guard. As the season went on I think he got worse as teams dissected his play and figured out what his weaknesses were. He is young and maybe he gets better.

RuthlessBurgher
02-27-2009, 10:04 AM
As of right now our OL would look like

LT - Starks
LG - FA/Rook
C - Hartwig
RG - Stapelton
RT - Hills

With Colon given the first round RFA tender, they will expect him to start somewhere. I assume that they still think his position is at RT, even though most of us think he would be a much better guard.

steelz09
02-27-2009, 10:19 AM
As of right now our OL would look like

LT - Starks
LG - FA/Rook
C - Hartwig
RG - Stapelton
RT - Hills

With Colon given the first round RFA tender, they will expect him to start somewhere. I assume that they still think his position is at RT, even though most of us think he would be a much better guard.

:Agree -- But why? Why do us fans think he'll be better at guard? Personally, I think his aggression style and his short arms are better suited for guard. Why don't the Steelers make the switch and put Hills or a Rookie at T? That means our starting line could look like:

LT: Starks
LG: Mack
C: Hartwig
RG: Colon
RT: Hills / Rookie

Our inside (which was our weakest area) would be immediately upgraded with this line. The reason I put Colon at RG is due to him having experience on the right side and not having two young/unexperienced guys in Mack and Hills/Rookie both on the same side.

RuthlessBurgher
02-27-2009, 10:25 AM
As of right now our OL would look like

LT - Starks
LG - FA/Rook
C - Hartwig
RG - Stapelton
RT - Hills

With Colon given the first round RFA tender, they will expect him to start somewhere. I assume that they still think his position is at RT, even though most of us think he would be a much better guard.

:Agree -- But why? Why do us fans think he'll be better at guard? Personally, I think his aggression style and his short arms are better suited for guard. Why don't the Steelers make the switch and put Hills or a Rookie at T? That means our starting line could look like:

LT: Starks
LG: Mack
C: Hartwig
RG: Colon
RT: Hills / Rookie

Our inside (which was our weakest area) would be immediately upgraded with this line. The reason I put Colon at RG is due to him having experience on the right side and not having two young/unexperienced guys in Mack and Hills/Rookie both on the same side.

He's a mauler who struggles with speed rushers off the edge. If he were playing in a phone booth with a center on one side and a tackle on the other side, he does not have to worry about the outside speed rush. Plays to his strengths and eliminates his weaknesses. Plus, he is listed at 6'3". I tend to think of guys that are 6'3" or 6'4" as guards and guys that are 6'5" or 6'6" as tackles (or in the case of Max Starks, 6'8"). Seems pretty obvious to me. Hey, Zierlein! Get off the porn sites for 5 minutes and come over to PlanetSteelers! :lol:

pfelix73
02-27-2009, 10:31 AM
Don't you all think the coaches would have to agree with you? Obviously, they don't. On what experience, do these fans believe he would make for a better guard?

Lebsteel
02-27-2009, 10:33 AM
[/quote]Hey, Zierlein! Get off the porn sites for 5 minutes and come over to PlanetSteelers! :lol:[/quote]

:D :lol: Good advice, Ruthless! I'll be very anxious to see what happens in the next few days with our FA and what we do. I really don't think we are going to pick up anyone other than a backup-type guy for the OL. But then we don't seem to be to big on starting rookies, so who is going to start on the OL?

SteelBucks
02-27-2009, 10:37 AM
As of right now our OL would look like

LT - Starks
LG - FA/Rook
C - Hartwig
RG - Stapelton
RT - Hills

And I thought last years OL was terrible! :wink:

steeler_george
02-27-2009, 11:00 AM
As of right now our OL would look like

LT - Starks
LG - FA/Rook
C - Hartwig
RG - Stapelton
RT - Hills

And I thought last years OL was terrible! :wink:


Good thing we tendered Colon :moon :tt2 :HeadBanger :shock:

Oviedo
02-27-2009, 11:02 AM
As of right now our OL would look like

LT - Starks
LG - FA/Rook
C - Hartwig
RG - Stapelton
RT - Hills

And I thought last years OL was terrible! :wink:

Any OL combination will guarantee a year of b!tching, second guess and know it all opinions. That OL one is as good as any in that respect

steelblood
02-27-2009, 11:07 AM
Current OL Roster

T- Starks, Colon, Hills, Capizzi
G- Stapelton, Parquet
C- Hartwig


* In all reality, we currently have only 5 OL players signed and we usually carry more than 11. Capizi & Parquet don't thrill me, they are just warm bodies and nothing like Stapleton. At least, around this time last year, we heard praise for him by the coaches.



"We usually carry more than 11."? What? We usually carry 9 or 10 on our 53 man roster. I don't recall us ever carrying 12 or more o-linemen. They resigned Parquet and he was on the active roster late in the year. He should be one of the 10 and be a swing backup (like essex). Capizzi is a camp body and may be cut. That leaves us with probably 6 guys. Looks for one UFA and 3 rookies or castoffs when rosters are cut down in late August/early September.

steeler_george
02-28-2009, 04:23 AM
Current OL Roster

T- Starks, Colon, Hills, Capizzi
G- Stapelton, Parquet
C- Hartwig


* In all reality, we currently have only 5 OL players signed and we usually carry more than 11. Capizi & Parquet don't thrill me, they are just warm bodies and nothing like Stapleton. At least, around this time last year, we heard praise for him by the coaches.



"We usually carry more than 11."? What? We usually carry 9 or 10 on our 53 man roster. I don't recall us ever carrying 12 or more o-linemen. They resigned Parquet and he was on the active roster late in the year. He should be one of the 10 and be a swing backup (like essex). Capizzi is a camp body and may be cut. That leaves us with probably 6 guys. Looks for one UFA and 3 rookies or castoffs when rosters are cut down in late August/early September.


OK, maybe I over exaggerated to get the point across that we are terribly thin at OL on the roster as we speak.

steeler_george
02-28-2009, 04:37 AM
EDIT AFTER THE KEMO SIGNING...which I think was a good cost effecient move. He still is young and only can get better...please God!!!


Quick review.

Start of 2008 Starters
LT- Smith
LT-Kemo
OC-Hatwig
RG-Simmons
RT-Colon

End of 2008 Starters
LT- Starks
LG- Kemo
OC-Hatwig
RG-Stapleton
RT-Colon

Projected 2009 Starters

LT- Starks
LG- Kemo
OC- Hartwig
RG-______ (as roster stands, I would pencil in Stapleton, but I see him as a reserve.)
RT-Colon


Current OL Roster

T- Starks, Colon, Hills, Capizzi
G- Kemo, Parquet
C- Hartwig

Back up C/G - Stapleton

FA- Essex


* ONLY 2 STARTERS FROM THE START OF 2008 RETURN now 3

* ONLY 3 STARTERS FROM THE END OF 2008 RETURN now all 5

* In all reality, we currently have only 5 now 6 OL players signed and we usually carry more than 11. Capizi & Parquet don't thrill me, they are just warm bodies and nothing like Stapleton. At least, around this time last year, we heard praise for him by the coaches.

* The key reason why the team signed Starks and Colon is there is absolutely no depth on the OL. They are both known to the organization, and their position is the hardest to replace on the OL. Must give praise to Max for last years performance. Again ditto no depth at G/C either.

* Keep hearing deep draft for IOL, and projected RT. Exactly what we need. I am hoping to gain more 2nd-3rd round picks. We still are going to have no future back up or should I say a back up who we could trust, like last year.

* We will pick up a FA, such as a Hartwig, at both G & T. We need depth, even if it is our own FA. If it is Kemo or Essex so be it, but both are replaceable in my opinion with more value on Essex's player flexibility. I am thinking at the end of FA to pick up another OL player.

* Any word on Hills? Hopefully healthy and progressing. Might be the biggest factor going into FA and the Draft.

* Keep an eye on coach porn...this is going to make or break him this year.


* Now we have our Starting LT, LG, C, but the line is still a work in progress... Does Stapleton go back to being the reserve C/G ? Does Colon make switch to G and if so who is our RT ...Hills...a FA...a rookie?

* Even though that we have all 5 Starters from our Superbowl Run, we still need to draft for the future and for reserves. Look at the depth we had last year, that saved us. In additon, as Ruthlessbugh keeps pointing out on the forum, 3 of 5 are signed for one more year (Starks, Colon, & Hartwig) and need to build for the future.

steelcityrules!!
02-28-2009, 08:57 AM
I am as guilty as anyone in my critical assessment of our OL the last two years, but one thing that has been lacking is any sort of continuity. more than any group on the team, the O-line needs to be either working in harmony for a length of time to be proficient, or it needs to be loaded with talent.

I think thats what reduced our sack totals from the beginning of the year to the playoffs, we got some continuity. While we all point out the individual deficiencies of each player, as the season wore on we got tighter as a unit. I think the FO is absolutely right in signing these guys and trying to maintain a good core group, and I'd even say I hope they get starks to settle on a longer term deal.

we get a blue-chip C in the first two rounds that can also effectively play guard, and I think we're in real good shape. It also lets us continue in the great and proven method of BPA in the draft, stacking the team with talent again.

:tt1

steelz09
02-28-2009, 10:13 AM
I still think we may draft a center / guard within the first 2 rounds. However, if we don't... I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is our starting lineup:

LT: Hills
LG: Kemo
C: Hartwig
RG: Colon
RT: Starks

This is stemming from that article I read not to long ago regarding the possibility of Starks moving back to RT.

Hills at LT is just hunch. He has never played RT in college, or preseason and I've never seem him listed as one. Which tells me is that the team feels he's a LT, not a RT.

RuthlessBurgher
02-28-2009, 11:11 AM
I still think we may draft a center / guard within the first 2 rounds. However, if we don't... I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is our starting lineup:

LT: Hills
LG: Kemo
C: Hartwig
RG: Colon
RT: Starks

This is stemming from that article I read not to long ago regarding the possibility of Starks moving back to RT.

Hills at LT is just hunch. He has never played RT in college, or preseason and I've never seem him listed as one. Which tells me is that the team feels he's a LT, not a RT.

Well, we won SBXL with Starks starting at RT, and we won SBXLIII with Starks starting at LT. Shortly after SBXL, Starks lost his RT job to Willie Colon of all people. Since taking over for Marvel on the left side, Max has looked more comfortable on the left side than he ever did on the right. Perhaps that is because he is left-handed, or whatever, but I would highly doubt that they would charge the inexperienced Hills with protecting Ben's blind side right away. We have a history of starting young tackles out on the right side at first, and if they pan out there, they may be moved over to the more vital position of LT. They did that with Marvel, they did that with Max, and now they can do it with Hills (although I still think that will keep Colon as a RT instead of a RG in spite of the fact that most of us believe that his skill set would be better suited to the interior o-line). The guy with the franchise tag will be your 2009 LT (unless he gets injured). Count on it.

steelz09
02-28-2009, 11:23 AM
I still think we may draft a center / guard within the first 2 rounds. However, if we don't... I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is our starting lineup:

LT: Hills
LG: Kemo
C: Hartwig
RG: Colon
RT: Starks

This is stemming from that article I read not to long ago regarding the possibility of Starks moving back to RT.

Hills at LT is just hunch. He has never played RT in college, or preseason and I've never seem him listed as one. Which tells me is that the team feels he's a LT, not a RT.

Well, we won SBXL with Starks starting at RT, and we won SBXLIII with Starks starting at LT. Shortly after SBXL, Starks lost his RT job to Willie Colon of all people. Since taking over for Marvel on the left side, Max has looked more comfortable on the left side than he ever did on the right. Perhaps that is because he is left-handed, or whatever, but I would highly doubt that they would charge the inexperienced Hills with protecting Ben's blind side right away. We have a history of starting young tackles out on the right side at first, and if they pan out there, they may be moved over to the more vital position of LT. They did that with Marvel, they did that with Max, and now they can do it with Hills (although I still think that will keep Colon as a RT instead of a RG in spite of the fact that most of us believe that his skill set would be better suited to the interior o-line). The guy with the franchise tag will be your 2009 LT (unless he gets injured). Count on it.

Ruthless,

I don't REALLY think that Hills will start at LT because of like you said, the franchise tag on the Starks. I think Starks is better suited for the left side just because he's left handed. But I still think he's way to slow and not nearly athletic enough for a LT. Watching film on him, it's sad how bad his first step is. If he squares up with the defender he is usually successful. However, because he's sooooo slow off the snap, most quick DE/LB'ers just run right around him. And othertimes the DE/LB run themselves right out of the play (ala Timmons at OLB). BB's only hope at that point is either stepping up into the pocket, getting rid of the ball faster, or running to his right which normally results in a sack because Colon can't hold a block that long.

pfelix73
02-28-2009, 11:36 AM
I guess if you want to go 4-12 next year, start that OL, guys.

Hasn't anyone been paying attention!??

Cohesiveness is EVERYTHING along the OL, so why would you change, what? 3 positions when you don't have to?

With the recent signings, we get to keep everyone right where they were at the end of the season. And we did win the SB with them this way......

The only exception might be an upgrade or least some competition at RG.....

RuthlessBurgher
02-28-2009, 11:44 AM
I guess if you want to go 4-12 next year, start that OL, guys.

Hasn't anyone been paying attention!??

Cohesiveness is EVERYTHING along the OL, so why would you change, what? 3 positions when you don't have to?

With the recent signings, we get to keep everyone right where they were at the end of the season. And we did win the SB with them this way......

The only exception might be an upgrade or least some competition at RG.....

Agreed. These signings were made for continuity's sake, so they won't mess with it now. If we are able to draft Alex Mack, though, I think he could start at RG next season (improvement over Stapleton) before moving over to C in 2010 (Hartwig's contract expires after the 2009 season). Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, and Colon likely stay put, though.

The only thing that could possibly alter more than one position along the line would be if they could somehow trade up to land a Michael Oher-type tackle. Then I would slide Colon to RG (I know the team still thinks he is a tackle, but I know better! :lol: ) and start Oher at RT. But the entire left side of the o-line, Starks-Kemo-Hartwig would still remain the same.

pfelix73
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
That's a scenario that I've been thinking of too. One of those Centers could compete at RG. It was also brought up yesterday on talk radio out of Pittsburgh that Hartwig could move to G, but doing that would mess with the continuity as we have talking about.

I say leave Hartwig at C and potentially draft our future C somewhere in the draft- and early. What about Wood? He could fall down to us in round 2. Get a DL at 32 or a CB- possibly would be the BPA at that point. Someone usually always falls down the board. Someone that should've been picked around 20-26 falls.

pfelix73
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
Or even Shipley- he's a Penn Stater, if that means anything.....

steelz09
02-28-2009, 12:36 PM
That's a scenario that I've been thinking of too. One of those Centers could compete at RG. It was also brought up yesterday on talk radio out of Pittsburgh that Hartwig could move to G, but doing that would mess with the continuity as we have talking about.

I say leave Hartwig at C and potentially draft our future C somewhere in the draft- and early. What about Wood? He could fall down to us in round 2. Get a DL at 32 or a CB- possibly would be the BPA at that point. Someone usually always falls down the board. Someone that should've been picked around 20-26 falls.

Sorry to be the sarcastic one here but I'm not the a fan on continuity when something is obviously broken. If its not broke then don't fix it. That's a good motto when something is good. This o-line is NOT that good from a talent perspective. It's the talent level. I know most of them are young which is a good thing, HOPEFULLY they can improve with more experience. Some of them have several years of experience and just now are cracking the starting lineup. And when they do (or did), they're NOT good. So, basically what were saying is that guys like Kemo need 3 years to crack the lineup and another 3 years to be above average. Max Starks is another example. He plays some RT which he is below average at. Then, he loses his job to an average Willie Colon at RT. Starks is a backup again starting this year. Then, Marvel goes down and Starks plays decent for the remainder of the year. Starks will now be making 16 million in 2 years (last years transition tag and this years franchise tag).

Our o-line is made up of a bunch of late round projects that have not worked out that well. Isn't the highest drafted starting o-lineman on this team Max Starks (the 75th pick to be exact). Why is our defense so good? Why are our TE's, QB, so good? Because we sacrifised our o-line talent to draft talented SKILL positions. Now, our DL and OL are both in trouble because we haven't "hit" in the middle rounds with these projects. Well, now its time to upgrade.

As far as DL at 1.32? Who would be the DL/DT for a 3-4 defense that would be worth picking in the first round?

pfelix73
02-28-2009, 01:00 PM
You can use that same old saying my way too. "If it ain't broke, why fix it?"

We won a SB with this OL, didn't we? They are all young and are just getting to know each other. Hartwig even said that the entire line goes over to his house to watch game tape. We did the same thing in college. That's what you want..... I never played in the NFL, but I did play in college. I can tell you without a doubt that cohesiveness is VERY IMPORTANT. When I knew what my G was doing on a given play all went fine, but when my G went down for a game, things got ugly. And the longer you are together as a unit, the better. Look, these guys are young, so to speak. Hartwig is the oldest at 30. 30 is old? yuck.

A great possibility would be to get a C at 32 and let that player compete at RG with Stapleton. Let the best man win, and it could be Stapleton still. Especially going up against a rook.

As far a DL goes, I'm thinking that a replacement for Casey becomes necessary soon. He's been there a while now and that position doesn't have a long life span. His contract is up next year too, so a replacement 1 year out might be a viable option at 32.

Say a Ron Brace. He's 2nd round potential and 32 is pretty much a 2nd round pick.

steelz09
02-28-2009, 01:10 PM
I agree that the cohesiveness is important. Maybe that's why the "TALENT" that I'm talking about is not being displayed. But in my opinion, if these guys had the talent level that I'm speaking of, then where has it been all these years thats its taking to develop? Or why don't we see flashes of it?

I just hope this 'talent' and cohesiveness starts soon, very soon. Why? Because if it doesn't happen our QB will continue to get beaten up and hurt. His great, success-filled career could be short-lived. And trust me, I'm "knocking on wood" and hoping that IS NOT the case. He (and us fans) have been VERY VERY fortunate that he hasn't had a season-ending injury yet with the hits that he's taken. But, this isn't a problem that Steelers have been having just this year. It's a consistent problem over that past several years.

I still hope we see Mack in 1.32 but I don't see it happening. Possibily a Meredth (SC), or Loadholt (spelling?) in round 3.

Oviedo
02-28-2009, 01:17 PM
You can use that same old saying my way too. "If it ain't broke, why fix it?"

We won a SB with this OL, didn't we? They are all young and are just getting to know each other. Hartwig even said that the entire line goes over to his house to watch game tape. We did the same thing in college. That's what you want..... I never played in the NFL, but I did play in college. I can tell you without a doubt that cohesiveness is VERY IMPORTANT. When I knew what my G was doing on a given play all went fine, but when my G went down for a game, things got ugly. And the longer you are together as a unit, the better. Look, these guys are young, so to speak. Hartwig is the oldest at 30. 30 is old? yuck.

A great possibility would be to get a C at 32 and let that player compete at RG with Stapleton. Let the best man win, and it could be Stapleton still. Especially going up against a rook.

As far a DL goes, I'm thinking that a replacement for Casey becomes necessary soon. He's been there a while now and that position doesn't have a long life span. His contract is up next year too, so a replacement 1 year out might be a viable option at 32.

Say a Ron Brace. He's 2nd round potential and 32 is pretty much a 2nd round pick.

P--I tend to agree with you about Brace. The NT position will be much harder for us to get a talent for than Guard positions or RT (assuming Max extends for LT). Legitimate NTs which are the key to the 3-4 are becoming increasingly difficult to find because they are by last count at least 11 teams playing the 3-4. In a copy cat league where everyone wants to emulate our defense we will have to overdraft some players to jump ahead of other teams wanting the same players we do. Just the nature of being successful and drafting so low year after year.

I could very easily see us getting the second best NT in the draft at #32 (Brace) and getting someone like Loadholdt (OT) or Urbik (OG) in Round 2. We could then look for a future Center in Round 3 or 4 (someone like Shipley or Caldwell) but don't forget the staf always projected Stapleton as the future Center and they signed Legursky to a 2 year contract so I think that indicates they like something about him.

steeler_george
02-28-2009, 01:20 PM
EDIT AFTER THE KEMO SIGNING...which I think was a good cost effecient move. He still is young and only can get better...please God!!!

[quote="steeler_george":dulhoapi]Quick review.

Start of 2008 Starters
LT- Smith
LT-Kemo
OC-Hatwig
RG-Simmons
RT-Colon

End of 2008 Starters
LT- Starks
LG- Kemo
OC-Hatwig
RG-Stapleton
RT-Colon

Projected 2009 Starters

LT- Starks
LG- Kemo
OC- Hartwig
RG-______ (as roster stands, I would pencil in Stapleton, but I see him as a reserve.)
RT-Colon


Current OL Roster

T- Starks, Colon, Hills, Capizzi
G- Kemo, Parquet
C- Hartwig

Back up C/G - Stapleton

FA- Essex


* ONLY 2 STARTERS FROM THE START OF 2008 RETURN now 3

* ONLY 3 STARTERS FROM THE END OF 2008 RETURN now all 5

* In all reality, we currently have only 5 now 6 OL players signed and we usually carry more than 11. Capizi & Parquet don't thrill me, they are just warm bodies and nothing like Stapleton. At least, around this time last year, we heard praise for him by the coaches.

* The key reason why the team signed Starks and Colon is there is absolutely no depth on the OL. They are both known to the organization, and their position is the hardest to replace on the OL. Must give praise to Max for last years performance. Again ditto no depth at G/C either.

* Keep hearing deep draft for IOL, and projected RT. Exactly what we need. I am hoping to gain more 2nd-3rd round picks. We still are going to have no future back up or should I say a back up who we could trust, like last year.

* We will pick up a FA, such as a Hartwig, at both G & T. We need depth, even if it is our own FA. If it is Kemo or Essex so be it, but both are replaceable in my opinion with more value on Essex's player flexibility. I am thinking at the end of FA to pick up another OL player.

* Any word on Hills? Hopefully healthy and progressing. Might be the biggest factor going into FA and the Draft.

* Keep an eye on coach porn...this is going to make or break him this year.


* Now we have our Starting LT, LG, C, but the line is still a work in progress... Does Stapleton go back to being the reserve C/G ? Does Colon make switch to G and if so who is our RT ...Hills...a FA...a rookie?

* Even though that we have all 5 Starters from our Superbowl Run, we still need to draft for the future and for reserves. Look at the depth we had last year, that saved us. In additon, as Ruthlessbugh keeps pointing out on the forum, 3 of 5 are signed for one more year (Starks, Colon, & Hartwig) and need to build for the future.
[/quote:dulhoapi]

Guys that is exactly what I am saying..We need continuity, flexibility for the future, and quality reserves. And being a quality reserve is what Stapleton actually is at this point in time in his career. Could he of been the problem of making Colon look like the weakest link? I'm not bashing him, but I think in this FA/draft we definetly can upgrade here easily.

RuthlessBurgher
02-28-2009, 02:47 PM
I think the FO will try to get one mid-level veteran in free agency. Someone like Donald Penn (TB) or Dan Loper (Tenn).

Donald Penn got the RFA tender that would required 1st and 3rd round pick compensation. Scratch him from your wish list.

Oviedo
03-01-2009, 10:34 AM
I think the FO will try to get one mid-level veteran in free agency. Someone like Donald Penn (TB) or Dan Loper (Tenn).

Donald Penn got the RFA tender that would required 1st and 3rd round pick compensation. Scratch him from your wish list.

I saw that after I posted. You are right. We will not go after a RFA. I thought he was a UFA. Sorry.