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SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
02-23-2009, 11:01 AM
Lombardi...It seems like 99% of players these days (selfishness) choose the money over winning championships. I can't hardly think of anyone staying loyal to a team and taking a few less to stay with their team who has a greater chance at winning it all the next season. (Bettis)
I would think alot of guys who are getting a little older that haven't won a SB would line up to be with the Steelers, instead you see a guy take 34 million over 5 years instead of taking a Steelers offer for 30 million over the 5 years.
All well, to all the Faneca's and B-Mac's out there go and play with your 9-7/ 8-8 teams and watch us roll over others when we get to the playoffs each year and fight for another Super Bowl.
I mean, its not like these guys are going to struggle their still going to be rich and have that chance at a ring. I do know that there are some guys who do take a little less, it just seems like very few these days.

Djfan
02-23-2009, 11:07 AM
I wonder the same thing. I'm old school I guess.

RKSteel
02-23-2009, 11:36 AM
Remember, McFadden, Faneca, Nate, Kemo, Randle El, etc, they got their rings, now its all about the money.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
02-23-2009, 11:43 AM
I don't think that it is accurate to use Bettis in this argument as he was pretty much washed up and only a short yardage back with one year left in him. He was contemplating retirement before signing up for one more year at the vet min.

As for guys like BMac, I don't really begrudge him whatever he wants to do. He came here, played out his contract, never caused disruption, won a couple of rings, and now his deal is up.

IMO he is entitled to do whatever he wants next. I don't think that he is deciding between an extra $4M over 5 years, I will bet that his offer to leave will be at least $15-$20M more than what he would receive to stay. If that is what he wants, if that will make him happy, then best of luck to him. He was a good Steeler and has earned the right to move on.

Same goes to Marvel, Nate, and anyone else who moves on now that their contract is completed. They have the right to leave, we also have the right to not re-sign them. My problem is with a guy like Faneca who was not getting what he wanted, and sat out even though he was still signed to his $25M contract. He was disruptive and disrespectful to the team who had treated him fairly his entire career. I would have had a lot more respect for him had he simply shut up, played out his final year, shook hands, and left for more money elsewhere.

steelsnis
02-23-2009, 11:54 AM
I'm as huge a Steeler fan as you'll find, but I can never fault a player for getting as much money as he can when it comes to the NFL.

With the shelf life of NFL Players being so incredibly short, IMO you have to take advantage of your opportunities. I mean 34 million vs 30 million??? 4 million dollars is a heck of a lot of money!! Especially when only a portion of it is guaranteed!

If Player X signs a 3 year 30 million dollar deal, all we see is 30 million. But when he's cut after a year (like the Raiders just did with Gibril Wilson), that 30 mill is out the window.

Don't get me wrong, i'd love to see guys talk about how they're Steelers for life and will take less to stay here, but that's the fan in me. No matter how you cut it, this is a business to the owners and players, and the ones who don't treat it as such, end up in trouble later on in life.

papillon
02-23-2009, 12:03 PM
Well, us older fans remember the 70s Steelers staying together, but, only because there really wasn't free agency during that period. Had those teams operated in today's NFL they would have never been able to keep that team together for as long as they did. They would have been seeking a payday in the same fashion that today's player seek fortune.

The NFL career is too short to put an ideal over getting paid. As fans we don't make a living through the Steelers and that makes it easy for us to say, "Oh, I'd stay and play for the Steelers for less than someone else will pay me." The Steelers have been getting it right for a long time. They make fair offers, but, they are not the blockbuster deals that you see around the league.

The personnel department for the Steelers and their coaching staffs have been able to evaluate Steeler talent and determine if it's worth a large contract for a player or not and whether the developing talent behind a starting player is ready to be a starter.

This year,I'm sure that Gay's skillset is under scrutiny as much as Mcfadden's and if they determine that Gay is ready, Mcfadden will not be retained. The same with Washington, they'll determine where Holmes and Sweed are in their development and then they'll decide if they should or should not make an offer to Washington.

It's how the Steelers do things

Pappy

NC Steeler Fan
02-23-2009, 12:36 PM
Well, I think too, that some guys, once they get a ring, honestly have
the drive to try and challenge themselves someplace else. And, if they
can get paid a buncho dinero in the process, all the better...

Mister Pittsburgh
02-23-2009, 01:10 PM
Lombardis in old man rooney's office don't pay the players bills or set them up, their kids up, their kids kids up, etc. for life. Winning championships is nice but when they are done with football and kicked to the curb at age 35 and have another 30+ years to live then that is where the money comes into play.

feltdizz
02-23-2009, 02:11 PM
Lombardis in old man rooney's office don't pay the players bills or set them up, their kids up, their kids kids up, etc. for life. Winning championships is nice but when they are done with football and kicked to the curb at age 35 and have another 30+ years to live then that is where the money comes into play.

A SB trophy is like a JD Powers trophy at a fortune 500 company... is that really going to stop you from leaving one company to work at another for 3 times the money?

I bet every Steeler from the 70's would have jumped at FA if they could have...
it always comes down to the money...

BURGH86STEEL
02-23-2009, 02:30 PM
Championships are nice but if I were in the player's position, I am taking the money. Hopefully, a championship would come a long in the process.

steelernation77
02-23-2009, 02:37 PM
It's a career that, if you're good, you're usually done in your late thirties. I don't blame them for wanting to get as much money as possible during that short window.

WoodleyofTroy
02-23-2009, 02:38 PM
I don't mind the guys leaving us for another contract, especially when it's a post super bowl contract (that's a players dream, to win it, and cash in, can't blame them) it's the ones in free agency that pass us over for other teams. Byron Leftwich needs to be our spokesperson.

Marcus Washington, DeAngelo Hall, Rex Hadnot, Kevin Jones, Eugene Wilson, etc.

papillon
02-23-2009, 02:40 PM
It's a business for the players and a passion for the fans and the two are diametrically opposed ideals.

Pappy

feltdizz
02-23-2009, 04:04 PM
It's a business for the players and a passion for the fans and the two are diametrically opposed ideals.

Pappy

you got that right...

most fans would jump to a new company for 10K more a year...

but they want a guy who puts his body on the line to turn down millions?

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-23-2009, 05:33 PM
The players also know they will be "put out to pasture" (aka fired) as soon as the club thinks they need to sign the young buck. They're just trying to stay one step ahead of the reaper. Like the Godfather said, nothing personal, just business.

ANPSTEEL
02-24-2009, 11:19 AM
I agree whole heartedly with everyone responding, that their careers are very short.

NFL players owe to themselves and their families, to maximize whatever earnings potential they have.

This philosophy is magnified if the player has already won a championship, imo.

As example- look at Indy-

Look at all of their players that have left for more money, rather than stay with the opportunity to win another championship. This list now appears to include Marvin Harrison and Jeff Saturday.

MaxAMillion
02-24-2009, 12:26 PM
Why don't the owners keep the players and honor the contracts instead of cutting the players when it is in their best interest. Loyalty is a two way street. Fans have no problems with players being cut without the full contract being paid out, but they want the players to take less money (even though a lot of them leave the game with major injuries to their bodies).

I would take the most money I could if I played in the NFL. Every player is an injury away from being out of the league. God knows that every team is capable of cutting you (injury be damned).

papillon
02-24-2009, 01:42 PM
Why don't the owners keep the players and honor the contracts instead of cutting the players when it is in their best interest. Loyalty is a two way street. Fans have no problems with players being cut without the full contract being paid out, but they want the players to take less money (even though a lot of them leave the game with major injuries to their bodies).

I would take the most money I could if I played in the NFL. Every player is an injury away from being out of the league. God knows that every team is capable of cutting you (injury be damned).

Contracts are written to minimize the current cap hit and load them up on the tail end, the players know this and the teams know this going into negotiations. Hines is going to be a perfect example of this, to minimize his cap hit a few years ago they gave him his guaranteed and then backloaded the salary. He stands at some point soon to make 9 million dollars. If he doesn't renegotiate, he'll be cut, it's that simple. The Steelers will not want to pay a 32 or 33 year old receiver 9 million dollars per annum.

The Steelers are always fair with veterans that are seeking fortune late in their careers.

Pappy