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SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-11-2009, 02:22 PM
Both of our guys (Lefty and CB) are FAs. Assuming Lefty is gone, is CB still a good #2? Is Dixon at #2 next year a disaster waiting to happen? Who would know, how much have we really seen of him on the field? What does he have to do to "earn" a #2 spot?

How much should we be thinking about spending $$ to secure a reliable backup for Ben?

I saw on another list that Brian St. Pierre is a FA too ...

My initial thought is (assuming Lefty is gone) - CB, then Dixon.

What do you guys think?

RuthlessBurgher
02-11-2009, 02:25 PM
I would re-sign Batch to a club friendly deal (assuming that Lefty's salary demands are beyond what we are willing to pay). If Dixon impresses in training camp, I would consider making Batch the emergency 3rd QB instead of Dixon, because then you could use Dixon in a variety of wildcat-type roles in the offense to stir things up (which we could not do if Dixon were the emergency 3rd QB).

Mel Blount's G
02-11-2009, 03:31 PM
BSP is a FA :shock: :moon :lol: :wink:

Djfan
02-11-2009, 03:35 PM
I heard BSP on the radio say that he still wants to start in this league. Wow. There comes a time when you just accept your role.

Mel Blount's G
02-11-2009, 03:40 PM
I heard BSP on the radio say that he still wants to start in this league. Wow. There comes a time when you just accept your role.
Gotta keep the dream alive. We've all heard way too many times of how Kurt Warner was bagging groceries before he skyrocketed into super bowl stardom. B

BSP :arrow: :loser or the next :arrow: http://www.theredzone.org/images/avatars/rams/kurt_warner2.jpg

Mister Pittsburgh
02-11-2009, 03:47 PM
I don't want Batch as the primary backup. I hope Dixon would be ready to be #2.

Oviedo
02-11-2009, 03:59 PM
Short of Matt Cassell we may have had the best back up in the league this year. With the way Ben gets hammered I am concerend about who has this role.

I think Batch is past his "sell by" date and I don't think Dixon can lead this team for multiple weeks with his lack of experience and playing time..

Mister Pittsburgh
02-11-2009, 04:04 PM
Short of Matt Cassell we may have had the best back up in the league this year. With the way Ben gets hammered I am concerend about who has this role.

I think Batch is past his "sell by" date and I don't think Dixon can lead this team for multiple weeks with his lack of experience and playing time..

Wasn't Dixon considered a potential first rounder but due to his injury he dropped to the later rounds? I mean Joe Flacco came out of Deleware and started year one in the NFL and did well. Why couldn't Dixon do well? Especially if Arians wises up and designs the offense a little more around his talents (which Arians had trouble doing that this season). Dixon should know the offense by the start of the season next year so the only thing he would be lacking would be in game experience. You don't get that until you play. I think one thing he could have over other young QB's asked to start would be his legs. The guy runs like a deer.

steelblood
02-11-2009, 04:45 PM
I don't like Batch that much. He is a professional and knows the offence, but he is getting older, is injury prone, and seems frail or weak in the pocket. If there is no other alternative, signing batch to a cap friendly deal is an acceptable band-aid and nothing more.

feltdizz
02-11-2009, 05:00 PM
Batch is now done.. I don't like shoulder injuries... especially at that age. I think people are underestimating how good Dixon is...

I'm not sure how good he is at reading D's but I know he can throw the ball much better then Vince Young and is twice as fast.

Dixon is our #2.

AngryAsian
02-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Say bu-bye to both, make Dixon your number two and bring in someone else to be #3. This team needs to get younger not older. Batch is way old, and Lefty will be too high on some teams' lists. Dixon please.

BURGH86STEEL
02-11-2009, 09:15 PM
I think they should bring CB back. Batch knows his role with the team and seems like a good guy to have around. Better to have a backup with experience than an unproven 2nd year player. If Dixon can step up and win the backup job in camp it will only make the QB position stronger.

Discipline of Steel
02-11-2009, 10:35 PM
Dixon #2 gets to see a fair amount of playing time this year. Dixon will be good.

CB #3 becomes an assistant coach and insurance policy. and I think he will be fine with that

Flasteel
02-11-2009, 10:42 PM
I think they should bring CB back. Batch knows his role with the team and seems like a good guy to have around. Better to have a backup with experience than an unproven 2nd year player. If Dixon can step up and win the backup job in camp it will only make the QB position stronger.

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Mister Pittsburgh
02-12-2009, 08:44 AM
I think they should bring CB back. Batch knows his role with the team and seems like a good guy to have around. Better to have a backup with experience than an unproven 2nd year player. If Dixon can step up and win the backup job in camp it will only make the QB position stronger.

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Just because he 'knows' his role doesn't mean he can still play well. I don't think it is necessarily better to have a backup with experience at this point. I envision the pocket crumbling around Batch and him folding like nobody's business. If I envision the same thing with Dixon I see him breaking out of the pocket and scrambling. I think Dixon's arm is probably 2x what Batch has left in his pee shooter.

In this instance I don't see age/experience overriding the actual ability to step in and play the game. I agree with whoever said to make Dixon #2 and Batch the emergency #3. Batch could be on the sideline working with Dixon and Ben but doesn't play unless it is a must.

Captain Lemming
02-12-2009, 09:14 AM
In this instance I don't see age/experience overriding the actual ability to step in and play the game. I agree with whoever said to make Dixon #2 and Batch the emergency #3. Batch could be on the sideline working with Dixon and Ben but doesn't play unless it is a must.

Isnt that what training camp and preseason is for?
Dont just give Dixon the two spot.
If he is ready, he will "win" the job. If he cannot outplay Batch in the preseason, the kid aint ready.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-12-2009, 10:06 AM
[quote="Mister Pittsburgh":1qyz53yi]
In this instance I don't see age/experience overriding the actual ability to step in and play the game. I agree with whoever said to make Dixon #2 and Batch the emergency #3. Batch could be on the sideline working with Dixon and Ben but doesn't play unless it is a must.

Isnt that what training camp and preseason is for?
Dont just give Dixon the two spot.
If he is ready, he will "win" the job. If he cannot outplay Batch in the preseason, the kid aint ready.[/quote:1qyz53yi]

True enough.

Discipline of Steel
02-14-2009, 09:12 PM
Its my prediction that Dixon will win the #2 spot and we will see a fair amount of him next year, both situationaly and in mop up relief.

True Fan
02-15-2009, 12:49 AM
I like the idea of signing Dan Orlovsky and have him compete with Dixon for the #2. He actually played well at times last year with the lowly Lions. A young guy with a good arm, good size and runs well enough and he has some experience. The guy may realize that he might as well be a backup for the best team in the league than the worst.

Steel Life
02-15-2009, 03:49 AM
I'd prefer to see Byron stay as I think he's a good fit & Charlie encouraged to join the staff as a coach. But if we can't keep Byron, I'm going to suggest a different course of action...sign Patrick Ramsey of the Broncos to be the #2. Maybe I'm permanently jaded by Kordell & ARE, but I think Dixon's best fit is at WR - he's got too much athleticism to let it rot on the bench. Between trick plays & the wildcat, Dixon can contribute more often than as a clipboard carrier.

NorthCoast
02-15-2009, 09:29 AM
I'd prefer to see Byron stay as I think he's a good fit & Charlie encouraged to join the staff as a coach. But if we can't keep Byron, I'm going to suggest a different course of action...sign Patrick Ramsey of the Broncos to be the #2. Maybe I'm permanently jaded by Kordell & ARE, but I think Dixon's best fit is at WR - he's got too much athleticism to let it rot on the bench. Between trick plays & the wildcat, Dixon can contribute more often than as a clipboard carrier.

I'm with you Life, except if it is shown Dixon can actually read a defense (which Korkie could not) then his value as a QB is worth the look. Can't know until he plays...

snarky
02-16-2009, 04:53 PM
Why in the world should Dixon be judged on the basis of Kordell (or ARE?? who we never intended as a QB, AFAIK)? I understand that both Stewart and Dixon are deemed to be 'athletic' QBs. But the main problem with Stewart was his consistency. I think he had some confidence issues.

Either way, we know who our QB is going to be for years to come. If Dixon is starter material, I say find out ASAP and then package him for a trade. We have a decent shot at getting a few more SBs so the ability to trade a decent player would help us upgrade at a critical position.

I would say sign a serviceable backup (Ramsey, Carr or maybe Garcia) move Batch to 3rd for a year and use Dixon as 4th QB/Gadget play specialist.

This puts Dixon on the field so we can see what he can do and it provides some insurance at the QB position where we would not be relying on Dixon as our number two in order to field him.

papillon
02-16-2009, 05:39 PM
Now with Garcia being released by Tampa, if he's out there at the start of camp, I'd sign him to come in and compete with Batch and Dixon. A solid backup quarterback is always a plus. A guy that can win a game or two for you, since, you surround him with enough talent that he doesn't have to win the game, merely not give it away.

Pappy

NC Steeler Fan
02-16-2009, 06:03 PM
Well, I suppose having one too many decent backup QBs isn't the worst
problem to have.

I agree with most that if Batch can't go anymore, get him on the staff. If
you look at every game we've played this year, when Ben comes off the field
and they are discussing plays, etc. Batch is right there and not just in the
periphery. He's animated and involved in the discussions. I really think he
is a good field general when he plays, but I agree on the age thing (and I'm
getting ready to be 45 so I can talk), but I like both him and Lefty as backups.

I'll be nervous about Dixon until I see him play more. I want a vet in there
at #2 and not just any vet, but someone who can scramble until we get a
decent O line...sigh.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-16-2009, 06:09 PM
Well, I suppose having one too many decent backup QBs isn't the worst
problem to have.

I agree with most that if Batch can't go anymore, get him on the staff. If
you look at every game we've played this year, when Ben comes off the field
and they are discussing plays, etc. Batch is right there and not just in the
periphery. He's animated and involved in the discussions. I really think he
is a good field general when he plays, but I agree on the age thing (and I'm
getting ready to be 45 so I can talk), but I like both him and Lefty as backups.

I'll be nervous about Dixon until I see him play more. I want a vet in there
at #2 and not just any vet, but someone who can scramble until we get a
decent O line...sigh.

If I remember right, Garcia is (was?) a nice scrambler ...

DBinAL
02-16-2009, 06:48 PM
There will be a lot of QBs floating around looking for a job holding a clipboard. Wait and see what happens to Leftwich during the free agent signing period. If he is gone, wait until the practice sessions are completed in the spring watching both Batch and Dixon. Batch deserves a look.

Then bring another potential 'clipboard holder' to camp and let them all sort it out on the field. Until Dixon actually gets some meaningful reps, it would be very difficult to make him #2 based on 'potential.'

This is a team that will be in the hunt for another Super Bowl, so it's ridiculous to give the #2 QB job to someone because people think he is a 'can't miss' QB. Until Batch shows he can not do the job, he is still the #2 guy.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-16-2009, 07:04 PM
There will be a lot of QBs floating around looking for a job holding a clipboard. Wait and see what happens to Leftwich during the free agent signing period. If he is gone, wait until the practice sessions are completed in the spring watching both Batch and Dixon. Batch deserves a look.

Then bring another potential 'clipboard holder' to camp and let them all sort it out on the field. Until Dixon actually gets some meaningful reps, it would be very difficult to make him #2 based on 'potential.'

This is a team that will be in the hunt for another Super Bowl, so it's ridiculous to give the #2 QB job to someone because people think he is a 'can't miss' QB. Until Batch shows he can not do the job, he is still the #2 guy.

:Agree , very level headed analysis.

RuthlessBurgher
02-16-2009, 07:13 PM
There will be a lot of QBs floating around looking for a job holding a clipboard. Wait and see what happens to Leftwich during the free agent signing period. If he is gone, wait until the practice sessions are completed in the spring watching both Batch and Dixon. Batch deserves a look.

Then bring another potential 'clipboard holder' to camp and let them all sort it out on the field. Until Dixon actually gets some meaningful reps, it would be very difficult to make him #2 based on 'potential.'

This is a team that will be in the hunt for another Super Bowl, so it's ridiculous to give the #2 QB job to someone because people think he is a 'can't miss' QB. Until Batch shows he can not do the job, he is still the #2 guy.

:Agree , very level headed analysis.

Yeah, get that level headed analysis garbage outta here! Message boards are supposed to be about irrational snap decisions! This guy should be fired! That guy is a bust! Get with the program, brotha! :lol:

Djfan
02-16-2009, 11:07 PM
I can't believe that some of you are assuming Batch is done. He just had a year off, so he can be very fresh and rested.

I think he still has miles on those tires.

Jooser
02-17-2009, 12:18 AM
'Lefty' is our absolute best option for #2. If he leaves, then I don't know what we'll do. Dixon may be good, but someone else is better in this draft IMO, and that's Pat White. If we are going to dig down that low for a replacement, I think Pat is the better alternative.

Steel Life
02-17-2009, 01:04 AM
Don't even suggest Garcia coming here...the guy is not content to be a back-up & has been involved with team discontent everywhere he's gone.

If Byron goes...then it's Ramsey for me.

feltdizz
02-17-2009, 12:18 PM
'Lefty' is our absolute best option for #2. If he leaves, then I don't know what we'll do. Dixon may be good, but someone else is better in this draft IMO, and that's Pat White. If we are going to dig down that low for a replacement, I think Pat is the better alternative.

Pat White is not better then Dixon.. not by a long shot. Dixon was a passing QB who could run the spread. Pat White was a running QB who tried to pass more his last season to convince people he could be an NFL QB.

Pat White is fast.. but have you seen him when he has to pass or when he plays from behind? Not pretty.
I would try to rewatch the last 2 PITT WVU games and you will see what I mean.

I would take him as a PR/KR utility guy in a heartbeat though...

Discipline of Steel
02-17-2009, 12:41 PM
'Lefty' is our absolute best option for #2. If he leaves, then I don't know what we'll do. Dixon may be good, but someone else is better in this draft IMO, and that's Pat White. If we are going to dig down that low for a replacement, I think Pat is the better alternative.

Pat White is not better then Dixon.. not by a long shot. Dixon was a passing QB who could run the spread. Pat White was a running QB who tried to pass more his last season to convince people he could be an NFL QB.

Pat White is fast.. but have you seen him when he has to pass or when he plays from behind? Not pretty.
I would try to rewatch the last 2 PITT WVU games and you will see what I mean.

I would take him as a PR/KR utility guy in a heartbeat though...

I agree, Dixon was a very highly rated QB who dropped to the 5th round because of injury concerns. Now that the injury concerns have dissipated, Dixon deserves his shot at some playing time. Im pretty certain the Steelers dont want him to occupy a roster spot as a 4th QB/gadget play guy. No way. I think the Steelers picked him as part of a long term plan and want him to succeed as #2 this year.

feltdizz
02-17-2009, 12:47 PM
Pat White is not better then Dixon.. not by a long shot. Dixon was a passing QB who could run the spread. Pat White was a running QB who tried to pass more his last season to convince people he could be an NFL QB.

Pat White is fast.. but have you seen him when he has to pass or when he plays from behind? Not pretty.
I would try to rewatch the last 2 PITT WVU games and you will see what I mean.

I would take him as a PR/KR utility guy in a heartbeat though...

I agree, Dixon was a very highly rated QB who dropped to the 5th round because of injury concerns. Now that the injury concerns have dissipated, Dixon deserves his shot at some playing time. Im pretty certain the Steelers dont want him to occupy a roster spot as a 4th QB/gadget play guy. No way. I think the Steelers picked him as part of a long term plan and want him to succeed as #2 this year.

Dixon looked decent when he came in for Batch in the preseason. Especially since it was before he expected to go in. His mechanics may be spotty but Batch throws a soft pass, Lefty a bullet.. so I think he is going to be up to speed for the #2 this season.