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fordfixer
02-06-2009, 03:29 PM
so Ben will promise "give me one more year and I'll win you another Super Bowl" like he did for the Bus :tt1

feltdizz
02-06-2009, 03:34 PM
he should for health reason's but with the team we have right now he could end up with 2 more in the next 3 years..

dude cries like a baby when we win too... gotta love it.. you know this guy loves the game of football.

Lebsteel
02-06-2009, 03:40 PM
Do we sign him past the 2009 season? He will be 34 then, so I'm not sure we'd really want to extend him past 2009. Thoughts?

clock401
02-06-2009, 03:41 PM
Sign Antonio Bryant with Hines' salary. :Agree

Lebsteel
02-06-2009, 03:45 PM
Sign Antonio Bryant with Hines' salary. :Agree

If Nate is not re-signed, then I'd love to see us go after Bryant Johnson. Not sure about having SAntonio and Antonio....

Iron Shiek
02-06-2009, 03:46 PM
Sign Antonio Bryant with Hines' salary. :Agree


I don't think the bucs will let him slip away. Plus they got Jagozinski (sp?) I think as their OC, which is a positive for the offense and he may not want to leave. He is #1 there especially with Galloway having issues, I don't think he would leave to play second fiddle to Holmes. It would be nice though. Not that I want Hines to go ANYWHERE.

fordfixer
02-06-2009, 03:48 PM
Do we sign him past the 2009 season? He will be 34 then, so I'm not sure we'd really want to extend him past 2009. Thoughts?

We sign Ward for as long as he want's to play. when he doesn't want to play any more we hire him as a coach :tt1

clock401
02-06-2009, 03:53 PM
Hines is done, he needs to take a pay cut.

We won the Super Bowl and the AFC championship without Hines.

Iron Shiek
02-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Hines is done, he needs to take a pay cut.

We won the Super Bowl and the AFC championship without Hines.


Did you miss the regular season? Santonio was nowhere to be found. Glad we didn't cut him...

Obviously they are at different points in their careers, but Hines made huge plays during the regular season, not to mention took his first catch 40 yards into scoring position on in the Super Bowl.

RuthlessBurgher
02-06-2009, 04:01 PM
Hines is done, he needs to take a pay cut.

We won the Super Bowl and the AFC championship without Hines.

81 catches for 1,043 yards, 7 touchdowns, and 1 crushing block resulting in a broken jaw. He stays.

proudpittsburgher
02-06-2009, 04:03 PM
Hines is done, he needs to take a pay cut.

We won the Super Bowl and the AFC championship without Hines.

:roll: Hines was hurt after the first quarter of that AFCC game and sat. I'm sure he would have, as always, made a huge contribution had he not been hurt. He was also hurt during the Super Bowl but was out there and got us off to a huge start, along with a big third down grab. Hines will be a very good Steeler for a couple of years.

On a side note, anyone else think that ARE would take a paycut after his contract is up in Washington to go for another Lombardi or two? I think a guy like him adds an explosive element to this offense. He will never really be a No. 1 receiver, but he could really make a difference in this offense.

Discipline of Steel
02-06-2009, 04:07 PM
Not to mention he sets the example for the younger guys (Holmes, Sweed)

Not to mention a 3rd Super Bowl may help cement his induction into the HOF

SidSmythe
02-06-2009, 04:12 PM
CUT Hines Ward!! BITE YOUR TONGUE

I don't care if he puts up 50 catches for 600 yards next year . . . he's a great person on this team and has a few more seasons left in him

Did you see him roll over on his knee??? Did you see what he was doing all season and that game up until that catch???

IF he was OLD, he wouldn't have even played in the Superbowl after rolling his knee like that.

feltdizz
02-06-2009, 04:24 PM
Ward is like Bettis... he stays until he decides to leave...

Who did Holmes mention in every interview? Hines...

Who had the first catch for 38 yards in the SB that set the tone? Hines...

Who will mentor Sweed and was the first to get him to shake off that pitiful drop? Hines....

rpmpit
02-06-2009, 04:31 PM
Ward is like Bettis... he stays until he decides to leave...

Who did Holmes mention in every interview? Hines...

Who had the first catch for 38 yards in the SB that set the tone? Hines...

Who will mentor Sweed and was the first to get him to shake off that pitiful drop? Hines....

Great point with the comparison to Bettis. Only thing is, Bettis took a pay cut to stay. Do you think Hines does the same thing?

But aside from all that, I think a healthy Hines Ward has 2 or 3 good years left. Hopefully he retires a Steeler.

RuthlessBurgher
02-06-2009, 04:33 PM
Ward is like Bettis... he stays until he decides to leave...

Who did Holmes mention in every interview? Hines...

Who had the first catch for 38 yards in the SB that set the tone? Hines...

Who will mentor Sweed and was the first to get him to shake off that pitiful drop? Hines....

Great point with the comparison to Bettis. Only thing is, Bettis took a pay cut to stay. Do you think Hines does the same thing?

But aside from all that, I think a healthy Hines Ward has 2 or 3 good years left. Hopefully he retires a Steeler.

Not a pay cut per se...perhaps a team-friendly extension similar to what happened with Farrior.

Lebsteel
02-06-2009, 04:33 PM
Hines is making $6.5 mil per year thru 2009. It would be cool to extend his contract, but realistically I can't see the Steelers giving a 34 yr. old WR another contract for that amount. Even for a year or two might be stretching it. My hope is that Hines would restructure and we would have our HOF WR for at least another couple of years! :tt1 :tt1

Here's the details on his contract:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=701

flippy
02-06-2009, 04:45 PM
Hines will be here until he's 40.

I'm sure he's driven to get into the HOF and if it means he has to play more years he'll do it.

SidSmythe
02-06-2009, 05:28 PM
HINES CAN PLAY 'TIL HE's IN HIS LATE 30's

Hines NEVER relied on speed. So as he slows down, it won't hurt him.

mshifko
02-06-2009, 05:37 PM
If Nate is not re-signed, then I'd love to see us go after Bryant Johnson. Not sure about having SAntonio and Antonio....

why are people so high on bryant johnson? what he is doing right now? he's not making an impact

hines still has 2 good years left in him...his role might be diminshed possibly, but i don't see his game falling off that much...he is what he is...a guy that gets the job done

Lebsteel
02-06-2009, 06:01 PM
If Nate is not re-signed, then I'd love to see us go after Bryant Johnson. Not sure about having SAntonio and Antonio....

[b]why are people so high on bryant johnson?[b] what he is doing right now? he's not making an impact

hines still has 2 good years left in him...his role might be diminshed possibly, but i don't see his game falling off that much...he is what he is...a guy that gets the job done

Why? Why? He's from Penn State, that's why!! No, just kidding. Johnson is 6'3" and about 210, so he has good size and is still young. I'm just saying that if we don't sign Nate, then Johnson would be a good No. 3 and then possibly No. 2. I hope Sweed can step up next year and be our no. 3, but if Johnson would come at a good price...I LOVE Hines Ward, but seriously, I doubt he will be able to play for more than another 3 to 4 years max. We all LOVE him because of his physical style, but IMO that physical style will end his career sooner than we'd like to see.

mshifko
02-06-2009, 06:20 PM
If Nate is not re-signed, then I'd love to see us go after Bryant Johnson. Not sure about having SAntonio and Antonio....

[b]why are people so high on bryant johnson?[b] what he is doing right now? he's not making an impact

hines still has 2 good years left in him...his role might be diminshed possibly, but i don't see his game falling off that much...he is what he is...a guy that gets the job done

Why? Why? He's from Penn State, that's why!! No, just kidding. Johnson is 6'3" and about 210, so he has good size and is still young. I'm just saying that if we don't sign Nate, then Johnson would be a good No. 3 and then possibly No. 2. I hope Sweed can step up next year and be our no. 3, but if Johnson would come at a good price...I LOVE Hines Ward, but seriously, I doubt he will be able to play for more than another 3 to 4 years max. We all LOVE him because of his physical style, but IMO that physical style will end his career sooner than we'd like to see.

haha seriously, it just seems to be a penn state thing...he has good size and he's young, but i don't see him ever being in a steeler uniform

i think we will resign nate to tell you the truth...sweed will develop into our #2 IMO because he has all the tools to be a great compliment to holmes in the future...hines has at least one more big year in him, then a few as the short yardage specialist...i really think he'll put in a good 3 years before he calls it quits...

ghettoscott
02-06-2009, 06:21 PM
Hines is done, he needs to take a pay cut.

We won the Super Bowl and the AFC championship without Hines.

shouldn't you be terrorizing Crash.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-07-2009, 11:11 AM
Hines has already mentioned on his own he wants to play another year or two. Let him play until he isn't getting it done anymore then offer him the wr coach job.

I think the Steelers need a guy that will go up and attempt to catch a pass over a defender rather than just run the route and wait for the ball to come to them. I rewatched the Superbowl and saw 3 occasions where our WR just stood there flat footed on the ground instead of attempting to catch the pass over a defender.

Santonio had one heading down the sideline where he had time to go up and try and catch the pass over the CB but instead stayed on the ground.

Nate had the deep pass that Ben underthrew that would have been a TD but he didn't attempt to go up and take off the DB and then on the final drive right before the 2 minute warning Ben laid one out down the sideline that Nate could have gone up to get but instead just tried to shield the CB from the ball and catch it in his bread basket.

We don't have that WR that is physical other than Hines, and he is more of a mini tight end type WR. We need the 6'3" +/- WR that will go up and outphysical a smaller DB for the ball. Like Fitz did to Ike in the endzone for the TD.

Go up and get the football and catch it with your hands instead of waiting for the ball to come to you and try and catch it with your belly!!!!!

Lebsteel
02-07-2009, 11:16 AM
Hines has already mentioned on his own he wants to play another year or two. Let him play until he isn't getting it done anymore then offer him the wr coach job.

I think the Steelers need a guy that will go up and attempt to catch a pass over a defender rather than just run the route and wait for the ball to come to them. I rewatched the Superbowl and saw 3 occasions where our WR just stood there flat footed on the ground instead of attempting to catch the pass over a defender.

Santonio had one heading down the sideline where he had time to go up and try and catch the pass over the CB but instead stayed on the ground.

Nate had the deep pass that Ben underthrew that would have been a TD but he didn't attempt to go up and take off the DB and then on the final drive right before the 2 minute warning Ben laid one out down the sideline that Nate could have gone up to get but instead just tried to shield the CB from the ball and catch it in his bread basket.

We don't have that WR that is physical other than Hines, and he is more of a mini tight end type WR. We need the 6'3" +/- WR that will go up and outphysical a smaller DB for the ball. Like Fitz did to Ike in the endzone for the TD.

Go up and get the football and catch it with your hands instead of waiting for the ball to come to you and try and catch it with your belly!!!!!

Bryant Johnson is the same size as Fitz, not nearly as good, (who is?) but if we don't sign Nate I think we should consider him. He may be too pricey, but when Hines retires, I think he and Holmes and Sweed would be very good together....

Mister Pittsburgh
02-07-2009, 11:50 AM
Is Martin Nance a complete chump? He is huge and Ben & him have history together from their Miami, OH days.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-07-2009, 11:54 AM
Martin Nance
Position: WR
Class: 5Sr
School: Miami (OH)
Conference: Mid-American
Ht., Wt.: 6-4.5, 213
40 Time: 4.6



BIO: Three-year starter awarded All-Conference honors after his senior and sophomore campaigns. Posted 81/1,107/14 last year. Started five games as a junior totaling 25/337/1 before a knee injury ended his season. Registered career-best numbers of 90/1,498 as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Natural receiver becoming a lethal red-zone threat. Fluid releasing into routes, displays a sense of timing and extends to pluck the pass away from his frame. Physically defeats opponents to make the reception, then quickly transitions up the field. Comes back to the ball out of breaks and finds the open spot in the defense. Uses his large frame to shield away opponents. Effective body-catcher when necessary.
NEGATIVES: Rounds off routes and lacks quickness into breaks. More of a long-strider who takes awhile to get it going. Looks uninspired at times and must pick up blocking intensity.

ANALYSIS: A receiver with terrific physical skills, Nance did a fine job rebounding off the injury from a year ago. Possesses all the tools necessary to be a No. 2 wideout in the NFL.

PROJECTION: Late Fifth Round

RuthlessBurgher
02-07-2009, 12:52 PM
Bryant Johnson is absurdly overrated. He was a first round pick of the Cardinals (Boldin was a second round pick in the same draft, by the way) who could never live up to the hype even in a high powered passing offense. The Niners brought him over thinking that he could blossom as a starter instead of as a 3rd WR behind Fitz and Boldin, and he did no better.

2008 San Francisco 49ers 16 12 45 546 12.1 42 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2007 Arizona Cardinals 16 8 46 528 11.5 30 2 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2006 Arizona Cardinals 16 8 40 740 18.5 58 4 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 1 1
2005 Arizona Cardinals 14 4 40 432 10.8 41 1 1 0 0.0 0 0 -- --
2004 Arizona Cardinals 16 11 49 537 11.0 40 1 2 -6 -3.0 1 0 1 0
2003 Arizona Cardinals 15 8 35 438 12.5 54T 1 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1

Other than one season in which he had 740 yards, he's been below 550 every other year. Nate Washington's receiving totals are 624, 450, and 631. And Nate has the same amount of TD's in 3 seasons that Johnson has in 6 seasons (and Nate has only had 7 career starts compared to Johnson's 51). Nate was undrafted out of Tiffin, which Johnson was a 1st round pick out of Penn State. Sorry, but Nate is the better player. And I don't think it is all that those, to tell you the truth.

NorCal-Steeler
02-07-2009, 01:03 PM
Ward is still a stud and is in great shape , plays with a passion. He was hurt in the playoffs and Holmes stepped up like he is payed to do. At 45 they will still wheel Ward out onto the feild twice a year just to stomp the Ravens. Ward will be here long after his playing days, the way he got on Sweed after the drop shows his coaching abilities.

Lebsteel
02-07-2009, 02:34 PM
Bryant Johnson is absurdly overrated. He was a first round pick of the Cardinals (Boldin was a second round pick in the same draft, by the way) who could never live up to the hype even in a high powered passing offense. The Niners brought him over thinking that he could blossom as a starter instead of as a 3rd WR behind Fitz and Boldin, and he did no better.

2008 San Francisco 49ers 16 12 45 546 12.1 42 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2007 Arizona Cardinals 16 8 46 528 11.5 30 2 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2006 Arizona Cardinals 16 8 40 740 18.5 58 4 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 1 1
2005 Arizona Cardinals 14 4 40 432 10.8 41 1 1 0 0.0 0 0 -- --
2004 Arizona Cardinals 16 11 49 537 11.0 40 1 2 -6 -3.0 1 0 1 0
2003 Arizona Cardinals 15 8 35 438 12.5 54T 1 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1

Other than one season in which he had 740 yards, he's been below 550 every other year. Nate Washington's receiving totals are 624, 450, and 631. And Nate has the same amount of TD's in 3 seasons that Johnson has in 6 seasons (and Nate has only had 7 career starts compared to Johnson's 51). Nate was undrafted out of Tiffin, which Johnson was a 1st round pick out of Penn State. Sorry, but Nate is the better player. And I don't think it is all that those, to tell you the truth.

Ok, he was the third receiver at Arizona so he wasn't going to catch that many balls there and when he went to SF, who was his QB? SF had a very bad year with their QBs. Hill only completed 181 passes all year. I don't think Johnson is a lot better than Nate, but I think he does have better hands and much better size. I'd rather resign Nate, but as I said, IF we don't then Johnson would be worth a look.

msp26505
02-07-2009, 05:04 PM
The idea that the Steelers should part with Hines Ward now is absurd.

Until his knee was injured, his productivity had not dropped a bit from his previous ten years in the league, and he is the type of player that will probably be productive for two or three years beyond what any other player at his position would be.

He may have to take a pay cut to finish here, but like the Bus, I'm guessing he does it.

And good luck finding another WR anywhere that terrorizes opposing DB's and LB's the way Hines does.

Shame on all who suggest otherwise. :nono

Steelerphile
02-07-2009, 05:07 PM
Bryant Johnson is absurdly overrated. He was a first round pick of the Cardinals (Boldin was a second round pick in the same draft, by the way) who could never live up to the hype even in a high powered passing offense. The Niners brought him over thinking that he could blossom as a starter instead of as a 3rd WR behind Fitz and Boldin, and he did no better.

2008 San Francisco 49ers 16 12 45 546 12.1 42 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2007 Arizona Cardinals 16 8 46 528 11.5 30 2 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2006 Arizona Cardinals 16 8 40 740 18.5 58 4 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 1 1
2005 Arizona Cardinals 14 4 40 432 10.8 41 1 1 0 0.0 0 0 -- --
2004 Arizona Cardinals 16 11 49 537 11.0 40 1 2 -6 -3.0 1 0 1 0
2003 Arizona Cardinals 15 8 35 438 12.5 54T 1 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1

Other than one season in which he had 740 yards, he's been below 550 every other year. Nate Washington's receiving totals are 624, 450, and 631. And Nate has the same amount of TD's in 3 seasons that Johnson has in 6 seasons (and Nate has only had 7 career starts compared to Johnson's 51). Nate was undrafted out of Tiffin, which Johnson was a 1st round pick out of Penn State. Sorry, but Nate is the better player. And I don't think it is all that those, to tell you the truth.

This a great post. Thank you for this. Nate is better than Bryant Johnson. Johnson has a pedigree, being a No. 1, but nowhere near the production to match. I like Nate, but if I could be his coach, I would give him some exercises to strengthen his hands so that his grip is better. If he could become just a little more liike Fitz and go up with a defender and sometimes win a jump ball, he would be really good. I think Nate's speed and route-running are very good and he gets separation, both deep and in the middle and to the sidelines. He catches the ball pretty well, even though there are still those who perpetuate the untruth that he drops a lot. He had 4 recorded drops this year.

He isn't as mentally tough as either Hines or Santonio but he he isn't totally soft either. He's somewhere in the middle on the toughness scale, I think. He has improved ad matured every season, so I think the trend will continue.

Hines should not retire. He takes excellent care of himself and is extremely mentally tough. He is willing to try anything, no matter how arcane to maintain and promote his health. With the offseason now to rest, heal and find new methods to improve, I see Hines coming back ready for another great year.

Steeler Shades
02-07-2009, 06:27 PM
I can't imagine how the Steelers could even consider letting Hines go for at least another two years. Who other than Hines can catch the ball? Holmes? Yes, he had a great SB but lets not forget his regular season....not great. I think he is definitely a potential #1 WR (if he isn't already) but we need someone else with him. Who? Nate? I don't think Nate is even a good #3. Sweed? Maybe he'll be great, but he hasn't shown it yet. Dallas Baker? I don't think so. The Steelers need Hines until they can develop at least one and preferable two more WRs. 8)

Snatch98
02-07-2009, 08:23 PM
Hines Ward belongs on the Steelers and will remain productive for a while. If anyone agrees to a pay cut it's Hines Ward. If he doesn't retire a Steeler it would be a crying shame.

AngryAsian
02-08-2009, 05:24 AM
Hines Ward will retire a Steeler. In 11 seasons he's had 4 pro bowl appearances, with the last being in 2004. He doesn't put up the monster numbers year in and year out, but he's has been the heart and soul of the WR corps and has been THE clutch set of hands for the Black and Gold since 2001. He will not seek greener pastures and this organization will work with him so that he retires a Steeler and will be inducted into the HOF with Swannee and Stallworth.

NorthCoast
02-08-2009, 09:39 AM
Hines has already mentioned on his own he wants to play another year or two. Let him play until he isn't getting it done anymore then offer him the wr coach job.

I think the Steelers need a guy that will go up and attempt to catch a pass over a defender rather than just run the route and wait for the ball to come to them. I rewatched the Superbowl and saw 3 occasions where our WR just stood there flat footed on the ground instead of attempting to catch the pass over a defender.

Santonio had one heading down the sideline where he had time to go up and try and catch the pass over the CB but instead stayed on the ground.

Nate had the deep pass that Ben underthrew that would have been a TD but he didn't attempt to go up and take off the DB and then on the final drive right before the 2 minute warning Ben laid one out down the sideline that Nate could have gone up to get but instead just tried to shield the CB from the ball and catch it in his bread basket.

We don't have that WR that is physical other than Hines, and he is more of a mini tight end type WR. We need the 6'3" +/- WR that will go up and outphysical a smaller DB for the ball. Like Fitz did to Ike in the endzone for the TD.

Go up and get the football and catch it with your hands instead of waiting for the ball to come to you and try and catch it with your belly!!!!!

Been my observation for a while, no one except Hines is strong to the ball. Holmes and Washington are best when they have separation. Teams that have physical corners that play up will cause us a lot of problems if we can't find a Boldin.
On Hines....you simply don't mess with team chemistry, period. He stays if he wants to but even Hines has to begin realizing that his salary/playing time ratio can't be supported. If pay was based on heart, he is worth every penny he is making. But I think he will need to take one for the team and restructure.

steelcityrules!!
02-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Hines is done, he needs to take a pay cut.

We won the Super Bowl and the AFC championship without Hines.

what an ignorant statement.
slap your own mouth right now and apologize.

feltdizz
02-08-2009, 02:59 PM
this whole thread was a play on Ben getting another ring for Hines next year...

every year the haters say he is done and every year he catches 20 passes that are clutch 3rd downs that extend drives...

we have enough WR's IMO... and why would Hines take a pay cut? Unless he is benched for a young star it makes no sense.. he is still out there breaking fools jaws and distracting Baltimore's LB's with bounties..LOL!

As long as Hines has a bounty he is worth it.. when teams start ignoring his blocks then we can talk about cutting Hines pay or playing time...

SteelerOfDeVille
02-09-2009, 06:05 PM
Ward is like Bettis... he stays until he decides to leave...

Who did Holmes mention in every interview? Hines...

Who had the first catch for 38 yards in the SB that set the tone? Hines...

Who will mentor Sweed and was the first to get him to shake off that pitiful drop? Hines....

Great point with the comparison to Bettis. Only thing is, Bettis took a pay cut to stay. Do you think Hines does the same thing?

But aside from all that, I think a healthy Hines Ward has 2 or 3 good years left. Hopefully he retires a Steeler.
again quoting inside the NFL... those morons said the Steelers wouldn't re-up Hines after this season (his final under contract)... because the Steelers just don't do that... "look at Joey Porter and Clark Haggans" they suggested.

Hines is more like rod woodson (who the rooneys regret not re-signing).

fordfixer
02-10-2009, 12:37 AM
this whole thread was a play on Ben getting another ring for Hines next year...

every year the haters say he is done and every year he catches 20 passes that are clutch 3rd downs that extend drives...

we have enough WR's IMO... and why would Hines take a pay cut? Unless he is benched for a young star it makes no sense.. he is still out there breaking fools jaws and distracting Baltimore's LB's with bounties..LOL!

As long as Hines has a bounty he is worth it.. when teams start ignoring his blocks then we can talk about cutting Hines pay or playing time...


Thank you I was starting to think that part was over looked :shock: