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TallyStiller
01-19-2009, 04:06 PM
Once again, turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. Cardinals' opponents have had 12 in 3 games. All the hype about them scoring 30+ in three straight playoff games - it's easy when your opponent keeps giving it away.

Keep the ball safe, play the field position game, force them to go the long field, and take the plays when they come. We should be able to get 30 on THEM if we take care of the ball, given the way McNabb and Philly's very average receivers sliced and diced that secondary. I can see Ben hitting several home run balls early against these guys, opening up the run later. And once we get a lead, it's over. The D won't let them back in it. We'll force the TO's, and they'll end up looking like New England and San Diego's "high powered offenses" with all their 400 yard passing games and 50 point outbursts leading up to playing us.

snarky
01-19-2009, 04:08 PM
They didn't win a game all year when scoring less than 23. I think if we keep them under 20 we will win.

Djfan
01-19-2009, 04:18 PM
They didn't win a game all year when scoring less than 23. I think if we keep them under 20 we will win.

There it is. We win.

snarky
01-19-2009, 09:08 PM
Actually, I looked at the games this year, and the turnover thing is huge.

The Cards are 10-0 when they get at least 3 turnovers from the other team. And they are 2-7 when they get fewer than 3.

By comparison, the Steelers are 4-1 when they force/get at least three turnovers and 10-3 when they get fewer than 3.

TallyStiller
01-19-2009, 09:52 PM
In our losses, we've turned it over 4 times each, haven't we? I know there were 4 in the Giants and Titans games... how many vs. Indy and Philly? If less than 4, the 2 picks late in both halves were absolutely critical, even if they were the only ones. Seems like our marching orders are clear. Game is ours to lose. Just protect the ball... this D won't let us down.

Reminds me a little of the SB IX matchup - Fran Tarkenton, Chuck Foreman, and the lights out Minny Viking O vs. the original Curtain. This D secures it's spot in history by making these Cards look equally sick.

Steeler Shades
01-19-2009, 09:56 PM
All the hype about them scoring 30+ in three straight playoff games - it's easy when your opponent keeps giving it away.
Not too easy. The Ratbirds had four TOs yesterday and our offense managed 17 points. 8)

Djfan
01-19-2009, 10:01 PM
All the hype about them scoring 30+ in three straight playoff games - it's easy when your opponent keeps giving it away.
Not too easy. The Ratbirds had four TOs yesterday and our offense managed 17 points. 8)

In all fairness, Sweed took a TD from us. And the refs took one from Holmes.

Chachi
01-19-2009, 10:04 PM
Actually, I looked at the games this year, and the turnover thing is huge.

The Cards are 10-0 when they get at least 3 turnovers from the other team. And they are 2-7 when they get fewer than 3.

By comparison, the Steelers are 4-1 when they force/get at least three turnovers and 10-3 when they get fewer than 3.

I'd say it's also huge that the cards defense had 10 games (twice as many as us) causing at least 3 turnovers.

that is something to worry about as well.

snarky
01-19-2009, 10:07 PM
Actually, I looked at the games this year, and the turnover thing is huge.

The Cards are 10-0 when they get at least 3 turnovers from the other team. And they are 2-7 when they get fewer than 3.

By comparison, the Steelers are 4-1 when they force/get at least three turnovers and 10-3 when they get fewer than 3.

I'd say it's also huge that the cards defense had 10 games (twice as many as us) causing at least 3 turnovers.

that is something to worry about as well.

Fair point, but consider that they had the niners twice and JT O'Sullivan was giving the ball away like processed cheese samples at the grocery store.

Steeler Shades
01-19-2009, 10:18 PM
All the hype about them scoring 30+ in three straight playoff games - it's easy when your opponent keeps giving it away. Not too easy. The Ratbirds had four TOs yesterday and our offense managed 17 points. 8)In all fairness, Sweed took a TD from us. And the refs took one from Holmes.
Sweed is part of the offense and the Cards get as many "bad" calls as we do (I think). My point is that while TOs have helped the Cards, their offense has ALSO helped itself by taking advantage of those TOs. 8)

skyhawk
01-19-2009, 11:29 PM
Actually, I looked at the games this year, and the turnover thing is huge.

The Cards are 10-0 when they get at least 3 turnovers from the other team. And they are 2-7 when they get fewer than 3.

By comparison, the Steelers are 4-1 when they force/get at least three turnovers and 10-3 when they get fewer than 3.

I'd say it's also huge that the cards defense had 10 games (twice as many as us) causing at least 3 turnovers.

that is something to worry about as well.

The Cards gave up 454 yards on defense too. :shock:

Sugar
01-20-2009, 01:22 PM
I understand the narrative on the Cards D, but we need to understand what they are right now and not what they were during the season. It's like Bears fans from a couple years ago saying they would beat the Colts because the Colt's D couldn't stop the run (they hadn't all season).

The fact is that the Card's D is playing very well right now. They were amazing against Carolina and Atlanta and came up with the plays they needed to against what had been a hot Eagles team.

If they fall down on their own, so be it, but I plan on seeing the best AZ Defense ever (it is the Super Bowl after all).

AngryAsian
01-20-2009, 02:55 PM
I understand the narrative on the Cards D, but we need to understand what they are right now and not what they were during the season. It's like Bears fans from a couple years ago saying they would beat the Colts because the Colt's D couldn't stop the run (they hadn't all season).

The fact is that the Card's D is playing very well right now. They were amazing against Carolina and Atlanta and came up with the plays they needed to against what had been a hot Eagles team.

If they fall down on their own, so be it, but I plan on seeing the best AZ Defense ever (it is the Super Bowl after all).


Great points. One thing to also consider.... all 4 losses we had this year were against 4-3 schemes where the DE's were very fast off the edges and can do damage to our lumbering tackles. The 2 sacks that Suggs had were when they lined up in a 4-3 formation.

Sugar
01-20-2009, 07:36 PM
I understand the narrative on the Cards D, but we need to understand what they are right now and not what they were during the season. It's like Bears fans from a couple years ago saying they would beat the Colts because the Colt's D couldn't stop the run (they hadn't all season).

The fact is that the Card's D is playing very well right now. They were amazing against Carolina and Atlanta and came up with the plays they needed to against what had been a hot Eagles team.

If they fall down on their own, so be it, but I plan on seeing the best AZ Defense ever (it is the Super Bowl after all).


Great points. One thing to also consider.... all 4 losses we had this year were against 4-3 schemes where the DE's were very fast off the edges and can do damage to our lumbering tackles. The 2 sacks that Suggs had were when they lined up in a 4-3 formation.

Better tell Coach Z!! :lol:

AngryAsian
01-20-2009, 07:43 PM
I understand the narrative on the Cards D, but we need to understand what they are right now and not what they were during the season. It's like Bears fans from a couple years ago saying they would beat the Colts because the Colt's D couldn't stop the run (they hadn't all season).

The fact is that the Card's D is playing very well right now. They were amazing against Carolina and Atlanta and came up with the plays they needed to against what had been a hot Eagles team.

If they fall down on their own, so be it, but I plan on seeing the best AZ Defense ever (it is the Super Bowl after all).


Great points. One thing to also consider.... all 4 losses we had this year were against 4-3 schemes where the DE's were very fast off the edges and can do damage to our lumbering tackles. The 2 sacks that Suggs had were when they lined up in a 4-3 formation.

Better tell Coach Z!! :lol:


I'll send him the stat cleverly disguised in PORN-SPAM. :lol:

Sugar
01-20-2009, 08:08 PM
I understand the narrative on the Cards D, but we need to understand what they are right now and not what they were during the season. It's like Bears fans from a couple years ago saying they would beat the Colts because the Colt's D couldn't stop the run (they hadn't all season).

The fact is that the Card's D is playing very well right now. They were amazing against Carolina and Atlanta and came up with the plays they needed to against what had been a hot Eagles team.

If they fall down on their own, so be it, but I plan on seeing the best AZ Defense ever (it is the Super Bowl after all).


Great points. One thing to also consider.... all 4 losses we had this year were against 4-3 schemes where the DE's were very fast off the edges and can do damage to our lumbering tackles. The 2 sacks that Suggs had were when they lined up in a 4-3 formation.

Better tell Coach Z!! :lol:


I'll send him the stat cleverly disguised in PORN-SPAM. :lol:

Don't do that- he'll forward it to the whole league!! :mrgreen: