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rpmpit
01-12-2009, 06:44 PM
The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?

LasVegasGuy
01-12-2009, 07:34 PM
The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?


This only applies to the Steelers everyone is exempt.

snarky
01-12-2009, 07:40 PM
They will probably get hit with a fine like the Lions did.

flippy
01-12-2009, 07:45 PM
The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?

What about the Colts? They aren't interviewing.

I'm surprised no one wants to talk to John Mitchell.

stlrz d
01-12-2009, 07:48 PM
The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?

What about the Colts? They aren't interviewing.

I'm surprised no one wants to talk to John Mitchell.

Jim Caldwell had it in his contract that if Dungy retires he's the man. That is an automatic exemption from the Rooney Rule.

SteelerOfDeVille
01-12-2009, 07:51 PM
the rule is about "minority" candidates... not "black" candidates.. for example, Ron Rivera counts...

flippy
01-12-2009, 07:51 PM
The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?

What about the Colts? They aren't interviewing.

I'm surprised no one wants to talk to John Mitchell.

Jim Caldwell had it in his contract that if Dungy retires he's the man. That is an automatic exemption from the Rooney Rule.

Why didn't they put that in some black coaches contract?

Jom112
01-12-2009, 07:52 PM
I know that Raheem Morris and Leslie Frazier were interviewing for several of the open positions...

stlrz d
01-12-2009, 07:55 PM
The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?

What about the Colts? They aren't interviewing.

I'm surprised no one wants to talk to John Mitchell.

Jim Caldwell had it in his contract that if Dungy retires he's the man. That is an automatic exemption from the Rooney Rule.

Why didn't they put that in some black coaches contract?

Jim Caldwell is black.

http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051224/051224_dungy_vmed4p.widec.jpg

snarky
01-12-2009, 07:56 PM
On a side note, I do wish everybody would stop getting all twisted up over the rooney rule. It addressed what the NFL saw as a PR problem. Not sure what percentage of NFL viewers/attending fans are minorities, but it's hard to deny that owners had a solid history of hiring only white guys for HC positions (yes there were a few exceptions - but not many). It was a business decision for the league, end of story.

But all the b*tching about it only feeds the perception that somebody like Tomlin isn't qualified or deserving.

END RANT

SteelerOfDeVille
01-12-2009, 07:56 PM
[quote=rpmpit]The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?

What about the Colts? They aren't interviewing.

I'm surprised no one wants to talk to John Mitchell.

Jim Caldwell had it in his contract that if Dungy retires he's the man. That is an automatic exemption from the Rooney Rule.

Why didn't they put that in some black coaches contract?

Jim Caldwell is black.

http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051224/051224_dungy_vmed4p.widec.jpg[/quote:3ajtsbsw]
I knew that - not sure that many others did... i've got a feeling this thread is about to take a turn for the worst...

stlrz d
01-12-2009, 07:57 PM
I knew that - not sure that many others did... i've got a feeling this thread is about to take a turn for the worst...

Me too. :(

flippy
01-12-2009, 08:43 PM
[quote=rpmpit]The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?

What about the Colts? They aren't interviewing.

I'm surprised no one wants to talk to John Mitchell.

Jim Caldwell had it in his contract that if Dungy retires he's the man. That is an automatic exemption from the Rooney Rule.

Why didn't they put that in some black coaches contract?

Jim Caldwell is black.

http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051224/051224_dungy_vmed4p.widec.jpg[/quote:2f0shkcs]

good then. i didn't realize that.

flippy
01-12-2009, 08:49 PM
On a side note, I do wish everybody would stop getting all twisted up over the rooney rule. It addressed what the NFL saw as a PR problem. Not sure what percentage of NFL viewers/attending fans are minorities, but it's hard to deny that owners had a solid history of hiring only white guys for HC positions (yes there were a few exceptions - but not many). It was a business decision for the league, end of story.

But all the b*tching about it only feeds the perception that somebody like Tomlin isn't qualified or deserving.

END RANT

i always tend to think when a minority or woman gets hired, they're usually doubly qualified.

i saw a chris rock standup where he was talking about 4 black people live in his neighborhood, the rest are white.

the black folks are rock, jay-z, eddie murphy, and mary j blige (not sure if I got the names right, but they're 4 of the best people at what they resprectively do. best in their business types.)

then he goes on to say his neighbor is just a white dentist.

and all his rich white neighbors are average folks.

but the black folks have to be superstars to live in an average wealthy white folk neighborhood.

no one that takes a step up is ever qualified. it's what you do once you get the opportunity.

tomlin's doing great.

and he might be the youngest SuperBowl winning coach real soon.


Wooooooooooooo!

rpmpit
01-12-2009, 09:17 PM
Didn't start this thread as a knock on Tomlin. I love the job he's doing. This team is focused and playing with an intensity we haven't had in years.

And I'm sorry I said "black coach" instead of "minority coach". I was just watching NFLN and see all these white coaches being interviewed and hired with little or no mention of minority candidates.

LasVegasGuy
01-12-2009, 09:39 PM
[quote=rpmpit]The Browns hired Mangini without interviewing a black candidate. Same with the Broncos. And the Jets are interviewing a bunch of prospective HCs and as far as I know, none are black.

So what's the deal with the Rooney Rule and how its enforced and/or interpreted?

What about the Colts? They aren't interviewing.

I'm surprised no one wants to talk to John Mitchell.

Jim Caldwell had it in his contract that if Dungy retires he's the man. That is an automatic exemption from the Rooney Rule.

Why didn't they put that in some black coaches contract?

Jim Caldwell is black.

http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051224/051224_dungy_vmed4p.widec.jpg[/quote:15yvf94v]

He also has a head coaching record of 26-63 in college. Obviously, qualified :roll: . Sounds like Dungy wanted a minority to take over for a minority and the Colts bought into it. Good thing Manning is at the helm otherwise this could get very ugly in INDY.

stlrz d
01-12-2009, 09:59 PM
I knew that - not sure that many others did... i've got a feeling this thread is about to take a turn for the worst...

Me too. :(

Looks like we were right.

snarky
01-12-2009, 10:17 PM
rpm, my comment wasn't directed at you. Sorry if you misunderstood. It just seems to be a theme that any time minority coaches/rooney rule comes up there is a fair amount of whinging on about it by certain folks.

SteelerOfDeVille
01-12-2009, 11:39 PM
He also has a head coaching record of 26-63 in college. Obviously, qualified :roll: . Sounds like Dungy wanted a minority to take over for a minority and the Colts bought into it. Good thing Manning is at the helm otherwise this could get very ugly in INDY.
is it possible that the move was about taking Peyton's QB coach and making him HC to keep Peyton happy? He is ... like.... the franchise.

Just sayin'.....

feltdizz
01-13-2009, 10:45 AM
Jim Caldwell is black.

http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051224/051224_dungy_vmed4p.widec.jpg

He also has a head coaching record of 26-63 in college. Obviously, qualified :roll: . Sounds like Dungy wanted a minority to take over for a minority and the Colts bought into it. Good thing Manning is at the helm otherwise this could get very ugly in INDY.

look at Auburn and the Chizik hire... dude was 5-19 at Iowa State.. lost 10 straight games this year and had zero conference wins!!!

Iowa State was mad when he left... and Auburn said they liked the direction he had Iowa State headed in.

Turner Gill(black) turned the worst college team in D1 into a conference champion in 2 years...

To quote my Dad.. "Chizik mush have one hell of a personality" :D :D :D

feltdizz
01-13-2009, 10:50 AM
funny thing is the coaching failure rate is high... yet we still have the argument of who is qualified to lose over half their games in most cases....

costanza2k1
01-13-2009, 10:56 AM
Before we get insane here....great thread RPM but has the potential to get a nutty...