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NorCal-Steeler
12-29-2008, 02:08 AM
Normaly i dont expect much from a rookie but Sweed's poor play with basic fundamentals like hold and block in the back and another non call that he could have been easily called on shows me they really need to make a effort to resign Washington.

grotonsteel
12-29-2008, 02:42 AM
Normaly i dont expect much from a rookie but Sweed's poor play with basic fundamentals like hold and block in the back and another non call that he could have been easily called on shows me they really need to make a effort to resign Washington.

They do need to sign Washington and hope that Sweed develops in his 2nd and 3rd yr with Steelers..

Steelers dont have quality WRs corp..Ward is getting old and i am not sure if Steelers will give Holmes his 2nd contract

SteelerSal
12-29-2008, 06:30 AM
Normaly i dont expect much from a rookie but Sweed's poor play with basic fundamentals like hold and block in the back and another non call that he could have been easily called on shows me they really need to make a effort to resign Washington.

They do need to sign Washington and hope that Sweed develops in his 2nd and 3rd yr with Steelers..

Steelers dont have quality WRs corp..Ward is getting old and i am not sure if Steelers will give Holmes his 2nd contract

Useing our 2nd round pick on Sweed means that he better have his head on straight and contribute next season.
As for Nate, I hope that he gets resigned. Ben seems to have a pretty good chemistry with him. He seems to be getting better every game.

frankthetank1
12-29-2008, 08:06 AM
i think they should re-sign washington regardless of how sweed develops. washington is still pretty young and has a big upside. his hands are suspect but he has gotten better every year

MeetJoeGreene
12-29-2008, 08:50 AM
I would love to sign Nate, but I suspect he will want to start and get starter money.

I just wouldn't count on him being here.

frankthetank1
12-29-2008, 08:52 AM
I would love to sign Nate, but I suspect he will want to start and get starter money.

I just wouldn't count on him being here.

i doubt there would be any team in the nfl that would pay him a starter's salary and use him as a #2 wr. i dont think he has proven that much to warrant starting in the nfl.

RussBII
12-29-2008, 10:54 AM
I would love to sign Nate, but I suspect he will want to start and get starter money.

I just wouldn't count on him being here.

i doubt there would be any team in the nfl that would pay him a starter's salary and use him as a #2 wr. i dont think he has proven that much to warrant starting in the nfl.

I dunno.. there are some WR starved teams out there. Even more important there are some stupid f'n GMs out there....

VirgilBosett
12-29-2008, 10:55 AM
I would not be surprised to see Washington go for, and get, starter money somewhere. Teams are constantly overpaying FAs.

Ward may be getting up in age, but hes still a hell of a player, and Holmes should be signed again if the price is right. Id try to keep Nate, and Sweed needs to start righting things down!!! :lol:

steeld95
12-29-2008, 11:21 AM
I would not be surprised to see Washington go for, and get, starter money somewhere. Teams are constantly overpaying FAs.


Yep, this happens every year. There are so many examples of this...Larry Brown, Neil O'ddonel...

frankthetank1
12-29-2008, 11:23 AM
I would not be surprised to see Washington go for, and get, starter money somewhere. Teams are constantly overpaying FAs.

Ward may be getting up in age, but hes still a hell of a player, and Holmes should be signed again if the price is right. Id try to keep Nate, and Sweed needs to start righting things down!!! :lol:

haha i thought that was really funny. i know teams over pay all the time but nate washington?? really??? why would any team want him starting based on what he has done so far in his career?

steelsnis
12-29-2008, 11:23 AM
Normaly i dont expect much from a rookie but Sweed's poor play with basic fundamentals like hold and block in the back and another non call that he could have been easily called on shows me they really need to make a effort to resign Washington.

I haven't been all that happy with Sweed's production this year either but I have a hard time basing that on a holding call or block in the back yesterday. I mean, the best blocking WR ever, Hines Ward get's called for holding quite a bit.

I am not particularly worried about Sweed yet. I think next year will tell the tale for him. It feels a bit like the Timmons story. Barely plays during season #1, people start grumbling about the lack of production etc. WR is a notoriously difficult position for rookies to learn with all the blocking schemes, hot routes etc so I'm not too surpised that it's been a difficult transition for Sweed.

I do expect, however that he'll be much more ready to contribute next season, given the opportunity.

VirgilBosett
12-29-2008, 11:47 AM
I would not be surprised to see Washington go for, and get, starter money somewhere. Teams are constantly overpaying FAs.

Ward may be getting up in age, but hes still a hell of a player, and Holmes should be signed again if the price is right. Id try to keep Nate, and Sweed needs to start righting things down!!! :lol:

haha i thought that was really funny. i know teams over pay all the time but nate washington?? really??? why would any team want him starting based on what he has done so far in his career?

Players of Nate's caliber are overpaid via FA every year. He's an almost perfect candidate for it really. 4 yr vet with roughly 1800 yards and about 12 TD's on a team that is primarily known to run first.

He's also put up those numbers as a number 3/4 guy. I could see a GM or two thinking he's on the verge of being a steady number two......not talking about big money here, just slightly bigger than he's worth....and in no way am I trying to justify him signing with another team for more money .

frankthetank1
12-29-2008, 11:52 AM
I would not be surprised to see Washington go for, and get, starter money somewhere. Teams are constantly overpaying FAs.

Ward may be getting up in age, but hes still a hell of a player, and Holmes should be signed again if the price is right. Id try to keep Nate, and Sweed needs to start righting things down!!! :lol:

haha i thought that was really funny. i know teams over pay all the time but nate washington?? really??? why would any team want him starting based on what he has done so far in his career?

Players of Nate's caliber are overpaid via FA every year. He's an almost perfect candidate for it really. 4 yr vet with roughly 1800 yards and about 12 TD's on a team that is primarily known to run first.

He's also put up those numbers as a number 3/4 guy. I could see a GM or two thinking he's on the verge of being a steady number two......not talking about big money here, just slightly bigger than he's worth....and in no way am I trying to justify him signing with another team for more money .

i guess its just hard for me to grasp the concept of nate starting and getting paid a lot. its probably just because of all the drops he has had in the past few years. its too bad because he is a great # 3 wr

VirgilBosett
12-29-2008, 12:03 PM
I agree.....he's way to inconsistent to be a solid 1 or 2, but the way some of these teams reach during FA, it would not surprise me.

MaxAMillion
12-29-2008, 12:37 PM
Washington will get starter money and the Steelers won't want to pay that. Plus they need to save money to sign a FA OL. I would rather sign a solid starter at OL. Even if that means letting both Washington and McFadden go.

ikestops85
12-29-2008, 12:40 PM
Rumor here in DC is that Randle El is not cutting it as a #2 so they will be looking to upgrade. More likely they would make a play for Whose-your-mama but they might be willing to throw a boatload of cash Nate's way.

Sweed has looked lost most of the time this year but I'm still hopeful he can start to pick things up. Receivers in general take 2-3 years to develop so he still has time to improve.

MeetJoeGreene
12-29-2008, 02:15 PM
Rumor here in DC is that Randle El is not cutting it as a #2 so they will be looking to upgrade. More likely they would make a play for Whose-your-mama but they might be willing to throw a boatload of cash Nate's way.

Sweed has looked lost most of the time this year but I'm still hopeful he can start to pick things up. Receivers in general take 2-3 years to develop so he still has time to improve.

I will probably get thrashed for this, but if Nate goes, I would strongly consider signing ARE to a 1-2 year reasonable contract as a number 3 or 4 receiver.

RuthlessBurgher
12-29-2008, 02:30 PM
Rumor here in DC is that Randle El is not cutting it as a #2 so they will be looking to upgrade. More likely they would make a play for Whose-your-mama but they might be willing to throw a boatload of cash Nate's way.

Sweed has looked lost most of the time this year but I'm still hopeful he can start to pick things up. Receivers in general take 2-3 years to develop so he still has time to improve.

That would be funny...Dan Snyder making up for paying a Steelers' 3rd WR starter's money by paying another Steelers' 3rd WR starter's money. Brilliant!

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/10900/brilliant.jpg

TallyStiller
12-29-2008, 06:49 PM
I hate it, but we likely need to draft another receiver this year... probably a mid round pick who can also return punts and kicks.

If Washington releases ARE, I wouldn't be averse to bringing him back here for the right money. Wasn't his fault that Snyder offered to ludicrously overpay him... now he's got his money, maybe he'll sign for less and go back to where he can win.

mshifko
12-29-2008, 07:03 PM
limas is just thinking too much right now, it's obvious...when you do that, you commit stupid penalties because you are pressing...think about the stage he's playing on now? he has to adjust and i think he will..

i think limas is going to be a stud #3 if nate leaves...which i don't see happening...i see nate resigning with us and then limas continuing his development...i really think he's a special talent and has what it takes to be a legit and reliable NFL recevier with enormous ability...

Steel Life
12-29-2008, 07:38 PM
The WR issue is much more complicated than most realize & has more questions than answers. Since most WR's don't contribute much their 1st year & most are on a 3 year development plan, then this leaves the following questions for the team to consider going forward...
Long-term -
1. Where does the team stand on Hines?...How many years does he have left?
2. Would Hines ever accept being the #3 WR?
3. Based on those two answers, is Santonio worth his 2nd contract & is he a #1 WR?
4. Is Nate capable of being #2 for a whole season while Hines/Santonio/Sweed works itself out?
5. Is Sweed an "Irvin" or a "Harper"?...meaning - is he a potential #1 or #2 WR?
Short-term...
6. If Nate signs, then what does that signal for Santonio's contract negotiations?
7. If Nate leaves, are any of the coaches confident enough in Sweed to be the #3 WR?
8. If Nate leaves & Sweed can't be #3, does that mean signing a veteran WR?
9. If Nate leaves, what kind of priority is drafting a WR this year?
10. Are there any WR's in the draft that are worth losing Santonio?

Leper Friend
12-30-2008, 01:57 PM
A very important thing to remember about Sweed is that he mised most of his senior year. So not only is he adjusting to the NFL but also getting used to playing competetively again. That's a huge transition.Without the injury , he wouldn't even have been there late in the 2nd.I think he's going to be great. There were gamesat Texas when he was near unstoppable.

That being said , I would still like to resign Nate. You never know how long it will take a rookie wr to come alng and we don't know how many years Hines has left.

Chachi
12-31-2008, 10:13 AM
I'd say Nate's future is in an symbiotic relationship with how this team does in the post season.

Cowgirls don't get to superbowl, Larry Brown don't get the jack he got.

Steelers don't get to the superbowl, O'Donnell doesn't get big money with the Jets.

We go one and done, he will stay.

We go 2 and done, it's 50-50 depending on how good his numbers are.

We get to the SB and he has decent numbers, heck, just not awful numbers, he is gone.

Oviedo
12-31-2008, 10:36 AM
I hate it, but we likely need to draft another receiver this year... probably a mid round pick who can also return punts and kicks.

If Washington releases ARE, I wouldn't be averse to bringing him back here for the right money. Wasn't his fault that Snyder offered to ludicrously overpay him... now he's got his money, maybe he'll sign for less and go back to where he can win.

You would hate this even more then but if Derrick Williams from Penn State is available when we pick in Round 1 I would grab him in a nanosecond. he is not only a quality receiver but his contributions and the "touches" he would get as a kick and punt returner would more than justify the pick.

RuthlessBurgher
12-31-2008, 11:29 AM
I hate it, but we likely need to draft another receiver this year... probably a mid round pick who can also return punts and kicks.

If Washington releases ARE, I wouldn't be averse to bringing him back here for the right money. Wasn't his fault that Snyder offered to ludicrously overpay him... now he's got his money, maybe he'll sign for less and go back to where he can win.

You would hate this even more then but if Derrick Williams from Penn State is available when we pick in Round 1 I would grab him in a nanosecond. he is not only a quality receiver but his contributions and the "touches" he would get as a kick and punt returner would more than justify the pick.

I don't think Williams is a first round pick. Remember, no WR were taken in the first round last year. This year, Michael Crabtree should go very early (top 10). There are several other guys that are better WR's than Williams, such as Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jeremy Maclin, and Percy Harvin. Although I think a dynamic returner is a draft need (who is also either a WR or CB), I wouldn't consider it until the compensatory selection that we get for Faneca. My first 3 picks will be used to fortify the trenches on both sides of the line. That is much more important than return yardage in my mind.

MeetJoeGreene
12-31-2008, 11:53 AM
I hate it, but we likely need to draft another receiver this year... probably a mid round pick who can also return punts and kicks.

If Washington releases ARE, I wouldn't be averse to bringing him back here for the right money. Wasn't his fault that Snyder offered to ludicrously overpay him... now he's got his money, maybe he'll sign for less and go back to where he can win.

You would hate this even more then but if Derrick Williams from Penn State is available when we pick in Round 1 I would grab him in a nanosecond. he is not only a quality receiver but his contributions and the "touches" he would get as a kick and punt returner would more than justify the pick.

I don't think Williams is a first round pick. Remember, no WR were taken in the first round last year. This year, Michael Crabtree should go very early (top 10). There are several other guys that are better WR's than Williams, such as Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jeremy Maclin, and Percy Harvin. Although I think a dynamic returner is a draft need (who is also either a WR or CB), I wouldn't consider it until the compensatory selection that we get for Faneca. My first 3 picks will be used to fortify the trenches on both sides of the line. That is much more important than return yardage in my mind.


I agree. Even as a PSU Homer, I wouldn't take Williams in the first round. Depending on his combine performance, he may or may not last until the end of round 3. But I wouldn't take him any earlier.

frankthetank1
12-31-2008, 04:30 PM
Rumor here in DC is that Randle El is not cutting it as a #2 so they will be looking to upgrade. More likely they would make a play for Whose-your-mama but they might be willing to throw a boatload of cash Nate's way.

Sweed has looked lost most of the time this year but I'm still hopeful he can start to pick things up. Receivers in general take 2-3 years to develop so he still has time to improve.

I will probably get thrashed for this, but if Nate goes, I would strongly consider signing ARE to a 1-2 year reasonable contract as a number 3 or 4 receiver.

thrashed? no way, i agree 100% i would love to have are back at with a contract for 1-2 years and reasonable money. wouldnt that be hillarious if we got are back for a little more money than nate gets paid a year and nate signed with the skins for big money

DkBlue
01-01-2009, 01:12 PM
Washington has talent. The Steelers in my opinion do not have a well structured passing game. They run as many sandlot plays with Ben scrambling as they do programmed routes.

Washington would be a star in N.E. for example.