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SidSmythe
12-27-2008, 06:23 PM
OK, i've had a chance to watch some NFL Replay and w/ the luxury of TIVO i can pause and concentrate on the O-Line.

The OBVIOUS weak link of our OLINE is Darnell Stapleton.
He's VERY athletic, but that's it.

Watch him ... in pass protection he will often help Hartwig and totally miss a blitzing LB. He isn't tough, he's finesse and just doesn't have on field smarts to pick up simple LB blitzes and stunts
One play in particular stuck out

RAY LEWIS had a sack in the last game we played against BALTIMORE

Stapleton helps Hartwig initially, then sets back up in his zone.
Lewis was already thru the RIGHT SIDE B Gap and Stapleton DOES NOT even see him. Stapleton actually comes back to his area and sets up in his pass blocking stance while RAY LEWIS is sacking Ben. This guy has NO CLUE what's going on. He does this a few times and teams are stunting his way

I see very few problems w/ Starks, Kemo & Hartwig in pass protection.
Colon and Stapleton are very weak. Neither are long term solutions at their current positions. Stapleton isn't even quality backup material IMO.

SteelTorch
12-27-2008, 07:12 PM
I don't mind Stapleton, but he's not the answer we need at RG. Unfortunately, neither is Simmons. And don't even get me started on Colon.

I'd better not here anymore "we just need weapons" crap. Our RG and RT positions need an upgrade, FAST.

stlrz d
12-27-2008, 08:25 PM
I have seen several teams have success against us with stunts or delayed blitzes. It appears our guys are all helpers...looking too soon, imo, to help someone else and "abandoning" their zones in the process.

BradshawsHairdresser
12-27-2008, 10:39 PM
What, Smythe, you tivo'd one game and came up with this analysis? The Baltimore game wasn't Stapleton's best, and he's not going to be mistaken for all-pro this season, but he is far from the "weakest link" on this OL.

If you'd have tivo'd the last game, for example, you would've seen Kemo getting beat like a drum. . .by a backup player.

Had you tivo'd Starks against some of the speed rushers he faced, I don't think you'd be "seeing no problems" with his pass blocking.

If you had watched the whole season, game in and game out, I don't see how you could rate Stapleton as a bigger liability than Willie Colon.

Fact is, we need lots of upgrades on our OL, and Stapleton is far from the most pressing one.

pittpete
12-27-2008, 11:57 PM
Kemo gets fart on the brain, and totally misses a lot in pass protection.
Get ya TIVO checked, because Colon is the worst of the worst
He is an absolute bag of crap.
Our O-line sucked just as bad last year and Darnell is in his first year.

pittpete
12-28-2008, 12:00 AM
Read this, not just me on Kemo
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3991 (http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3991)

pfelix73
12-28-2008, 12:32 AM
Well, week in and week out Colon is the biggest problem. I NEVER THOUGHT HE SHOULD'VE REPLACED STARKS 2 YEARS AGO.

With that said, Simmons will return next year as our every down RG (unless he moves to LG) Stapleton has his moments but does make mistakes.

pfelix73
12-28-2008, 12:53 PM
Anyone read the article about Marvel Smith? His back surgery that he just had was another minor procedure similar to last year's.

Because he has been out practically all year, he may be a cheap sign for us with a short-term contract. So, he just may be our LT next year. When healthy, he's a fine OT.

The article also mentioned that IF Starks is re-signed too, he could be moved back to RT.

If it were up to me, I'd try to sign Max to play LT in 2009. As long as it didn't break the bank. In reality,l if they can get Smith on the cheap, guess what will happen?

Steelhere10
12-28-2008, 01:01 PM
What, Smythe, you tivo'd one game and came up with this analysis? The Baltimore game wasn't Stapleton's best, and he's not going to be mistaken for all-pro this season, but he is far from the "weakest link" on this OL.

If you'd have tivo'd the last game, for example, you would've seen Kemo getting beat like a drum. . .by a backup player.

Had you tivo'd Starks against some of the speed rushers he faced, I don't think you'd be "seeing no problems" with his pass blocking.

If you had watched the whole season, game in and game out, I don't see how you could rate Stapleton as a bigger liability than Willie Colon.

Fact is, we need lots of upgrades on our OL, and Stapleton is far from the most pressing one. i was thinking the same thing maybe better than Kemo if you ask me.

pittpete
12-28-2008, 03:24 PM
Yah, Kemo played real well.
The FN moron had no clue what the play was on the Ben injury.
This also wasnt the first time he looked confused and didnt know the play.
Kemo is garbage and thats why he was never a starter.
He did the same crap against Titans last week.
Kemo is too stupid to play in the NFL.
Anyone have his wunderlic score handy.
This guy is a pig

pittpete
12-28-2008, 03:52 PM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NF ... derlic.htm (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm)

Found it, guys braindead

mshifko
12-28-2008, 06:30 PM
good analysis, but i think willie colon is the one guy that this team cannot bring back for next season...he is gawdawful

steelcityrules!!
12-28-2008, 06:46 PM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm

Found it, guys braindead
wow, is he dumber than Ike too?

RuthlessBurgher
12-30-2008, 02:40 PM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm

Found it, guys braindead

In better news, Heath got a 39.

ikestops85
12-30-2008, 03:22 PM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm

Found it, guys braindead

In better news, Heath got a 39.

yeh, but can he block? :wink:

Djfan
12-30-2008, 03:27 PM
The sooner we leave this zone blocking behind and get back to old school man-no-man we do better.

SidSmythe
12-31-2008, 11:10 AM
The sooner we leave this zone blocking behind and get back to old school man-no-man we do better.

I am a fan of zone blocking.
If the Romans played football they would have used zone blocking.

the Scandinavians would have used man to man and the Romans would take them. :tt2

NorthCoast
12-31-2008, 11:29 AM
The sooner we leave this zone blocking behind and get back to old school man-no-man we do better.

I am a fan of zone blocking.
If the Romans played football they would have used zone blocking.

the Scandinavians would have used man to man and the Romans would take them. :tt2

Shanahan has shown that it can work with the right OL running it. Unfortunately, we don't have the right OL running it.

Oviedo
12-31-2008, 11:35 AM
The sooner we leave this zone blocking behind and get back to old school man-no-man we do better.

I am a fan of zone blocking.
If the Romans played football they would have used zone blocking.

the Scandinavians would have used man to man and the Romans would take them. :tt2

I agree. It is the talent not the scheme. The one evaluation that needs to be made is whether Ben is going to ever change. ZBS works well with quick patterns and quick throws. If Ben will continue to hold the ball then we do need to consider going back to the old way.

Good ZBS discussion

http://tidefans.com/forums/tidefans-com ... uture.html (http://tidefans.com/forums/tidefans-com-articles/46410-football-101-zone-blocking-wave-future.html)