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Oviedo
11-04-2008, 09:16 AM
Got to start to ask ourselves if this is the best Steelers defense since the 70s. Nothing can really compare to the Steel Curtain, but these guys look like they are better than any defense we have had since 1979.

I can't remember any of Cowher's defenses being this good and rolling up the sacks and QB pressures like this one has. All this and we are missing our starting FS last night and CB (multiple weeks). The organization has built great depth across the defense although IMO they did take a calculated risk on the DL that has paid off for them thus far.

Like I have said consistently, defense in today's NFL is all about attacking the QB. Everything else is a secondary consideration because the NFL has skewed the rules to favor the passing games and teams have built their offenses to exploit that. The Giants have figured that out where their DL and pass rush covers for average to above average LBs and DBs.

It looks like we may be rolling towards 50 sacks.

Iron Shiek
11-04-2008, 09:21 AM
I don't know yet. We had some seriously great defenses in the 90's. Straigh ball hawkers and we were still getting a ton of sacks. Plus they would score a td every now and then to help out. This D hasn't done that yet, but you can't discount how "easy" they make it look and how good of a position they put our offense in constantly (only for them to go 3 and out).

Oviedo
11-04-2008, 09:33 AM
It would be interesting to see how some of the stats line up but I think this D is on pace to best any of the 90s.

stlrz d
11-04-2008, 10:18 AM
I dunno...we had some awesome defenses under Cowher. There were plenty of times our D was #1 in ypg, rush ypg, pass ypg and scoring all at the same time.

But this defense is SCARY good!

Mel Blount's G
11-04-2008, 10:26 AM
It's key that B.W. LeBeau has had a group of db's to work with for some time now. You may have noticed all you "cushion" and "bend but don't break" complainers that we are NOT giving up big plays. Of course, it never hurts when blitzes actually DO get to the QB quickly.

Ike, Bmac and Deshea have been solid and Gay is turning out pretty swell too I'd say. Troy is Troy and Clarke is smart and I'm sure loves playing for Bad Word. Sawed off and Killswitch seem like above-average back ups imo.

Woodley has absolutely blossomed this year and silverback is in his prime right now. Foote and Farrior know LeBeau's stuff inside out and don't seem to make mental mistakes. Not to mention Timmons makes a great play or two each game it seems. Also, Frazier made the play of tthe game last night.

A healthy aaron smith and keisel, throw in Hoke as a decent back up to Big snack and yeah, we have the makings of a GREAT D. Hell, even Eason makes his presence known from time to time.

Oviedo
11-04-2008, 10:33 AM
Best sack totals I could find were 55 in 1994 and 51 in 1996.

I think we have a chance to beat both this year over the next 8 games. We have 32 after 8 games so over the next 8 games we would need to average 3 per game.

stlrz d
11-04-2008, 10:35 AM
It's key that B.W. LeBeau has had a group of db's to work with for some time now. You may have noticed all you "cushion" and "bend but don't break" complainers that we are NOT giving up big plays. Of course, it never hurts when blitzes actually DO get to the QB quickly.

Ike, Bmac and Deshea have been solid and Gay is turning out pretty swell too I'd say. Troy is Troy and Clarke is smart and I'm sure loves playing for Bad Word. Sawed off and Killswitch seem like above-average back ups imo.

Woodley has absolutely blossomed this year and silverback is in his prime right now. Foote and Farrior know LeBeau's stuff inside out and don't seem to make mental mistakes. Not to mention Timmons makes a great play or two each game it seems. Also, Frazier made the play of tthe game last night.

A healthy aaron smith and keisel, throw in Hoke as a decent back up to Big snack and yeah, we have the makings of a GREAT D. Hell, even Eason makes his presence known from time to time.

I have no problem admitting to being one of those guys. I think there are times the corners need to come up and take away some of the short stuff the offenses take from us...if anything to stop a drive, help with field position, get the D off the field so they can take a breather, etc.

I believe BMac and Ike are good enough to play tighter to the line without giving up the big play consistently. It doesn't have to be on every play, but it doesn't have to be the other way on every play either.

SteelerNation1
11-04-2008, 11:12 AM
Best sack totals I could find were 55 in 1994 and 51 in 1996.

I think we have a chance to beat both this year over the next 8 games. We have 32 after 8 games so over the next 8 games we would need to average 3 per game.
IIRC, we had 55 sacks in 2001 also. This defense is great. We may be the 1st team to EVER lead in yards allowed per game and be #1 against the rush, and the pass. That is just gross!

RuthlessBurgher
11-04-2008, 02:43 PM
Best sack totals I could find were 55 in 1994 and 51 in 1996.

I think we have a chance to beat both this year over the next 8 games. We have 32 after 8 games so over the next 8 games we would need to average 3 per game.
IIRC, we had 55 sacks in 2001 also. This defense is great. We may be the 1st team to EVER lead in yards allowed per game and be #1 against the rush, and the pass. That is just gross!

Right now this defense is #1 in overall yardage, #1 in pass yardage, #3 in rush yardage, #2 in scoring, and #1 in sacks through the first half of the season. Remember, this is all against the toughest schedule any team has faced in the past 30 years. :tt2 :Steel :tt1

Jigawatts
11-04-2008, 03:46 PM
Don't forget about Timmons. The kid is coming in and making some sick plays out there.

Starlifter
11-04-2008, 03:56 PM
best ever is hard to quantify BUT I still give the edge to the 70's and particularly Mel Blount. When the league has to change the rules because you're so dominant, that's impressive.........

what's going on this year however, is very special......

ANPSTEEL
11-04-2008, 04:43 PM
They certainly are playing at a very high level-

it will be great if they can sustain it for the entire season.

Personally, at this point, i dont think you can say this D is better than 94.

Woodson, Lake, Perry, Williams
Lloyd, Brown, Kirkland, Green
Buckner, Steed, Seals

Taylor, Polamalu, Clark, McFadden
Harrison, Foote, Farrior, Woodley
Kiesel, Hampton, Smith

Position for position-

Woodson starts over ike
Troy Starts at SS the way they play it now- but i wouldn't want to sit Lake, so I'd move him to FS. (I know this is cheating-but i'm making the rules up as i go... so its ok)
Clark is having an excellent year- its a toss up between he and Perry
I've got to take Willie Williams over DeShae- and probably over BMac
Lloyd over Harrison.
Brown over Foote
Kirkland over Farrior
Green over Woodley (this is a tough one)
Buckner over Kiesel
Hampton and Steed are a toss up- leaning towards Steed- Casey was better a few years back-
Smith over Seals- again a tough one... Smith is better against the run, Seals as a pass rusher.

SteelTorch
11-04-2008, 04:47 PM
I'll say it right now. We're a better O-line and a better OC away from being 8-0 at this point. As it stands though, our offense has some major work to do if we want to have a legit shot at the SB, not just making the playoffs.

Iron Shiek
11-04-2008, 04:49 PM
They certainly are playing at a very high level-

it will be great if they can sustain it for the entire season.

Personally, at this point, i dont think you can say this D is better than 94.

Woodson, Lake, Perry, Williams
Lloyd, Brown, Kirkland, Green
Buckner, Steed, Seals

Taylor, Polamalu, Clark, McFadden
Harrison, Foote, Farrior, Woodley
Kiesel, Hampton, Smith

Yup. When I posted above about that secondary in the mid 90's, just see for yourself. Those dudes were sick. No disrespect to the current secondary, but wow. The LBs are comparable, and I suppose the Line is too. Edge=94...but current is right on their heels.

ANPSTEEL
11-04-2008, 05:22 PM
They certainly are playing at a very high level-

it will be great if they can sustain it for the entire season.

Personally, at this point, i dont think you can say this D is better than 94.

Woodson, Lake, Perry, Williams
Lloyd, Brown, Kirkland, Green
Buckner, Steed, Seals

Taylor, Polamalu, Clark, McFadden
Harrison, Foote, Farrior, Woodley
Kiesel, Hampton, Smith

Yup. When I posted above about that secondary in the mid 90's, just see for yourself. Those dudes were sick. No disrespect to the current secondary, but wow. The LBs are comparable, and I suppose the Line is too. Edge=94...but current is right on their heels.


I edited my post after you replied-

this is how i think the positions break down-

94 D v. 08 D

Position for position-

Woodson starts over ike
Troy Starts at SS the way they play it now- but i wouldn't want to sit Lake, so I'd move him to FS. (I know this is cheating-but i'm making the rules up as i go... so its ok)
Clark is having an excellent year- its a toss up between he and Perry
I've got to take Willie Williams over DeShae- and probably over BMac
Lloyd over Harrison.
Brown over Foote
Kirkland over Farrior
Green over Woodley (this is a tough one)
Buckner over Kiesel
Hampton and Steed are a toss up- leaning towards Steed- Casey was better a few years back-
Smith over Seals- again a tough one... Smith is better against the run, Seals as a pass rusher.