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NC Steeler Fan
10-27-2008, 05:06 PM
...I cannot imagine how badly Harrison feels about that
botched snap. He looked absolutely devastated and
embarrassed afterwards and my heart just went out to him.

If Tomlin said he volunteered to attempt it, I have the utmost
respect for Silverback. Greg Warren teachs us how to snap the ball
to the punter every year in Women's camp. I cannot tell you
how damn hard it is to get that ball to fly parallel to the ground
while bent over and upside down...it's a totally unnatural and
unfamiliar action for everyone each year.

However, I have to wonder beyond belief whyinthehell we didn't
have the CENTER snap the ball??? Of ALL people on the team at
least he'd be used to that whole unfamiliar motion. I will blame the
decision to let Harrison go out there, never Harrison himself....

Iron Shiek
10-27-2008, 05:10 PM
Well that is who the back up emergency guy is. They played a soundbite from Tomlin on Sirius NFL Radio and it wasn't like "Oh no, we need a snapper. Anyone here know how to snap?!" Harrison is THE guy for that situation, or so Tomlin intimated in the soundbite.

And you really can't blame Harrison, it did suck, but its very tough to not be doing that normally and just come in and snap. That's like asking Psycopath to come in and take a snap at QB for Ben (sorta).

RussBII
10-27-2008, 05:25 PM
Yeah, Mad props to James Harrison. Just to step up in that sort of situation. I played center once or twice in practice, and it's tough to get the ball back there on a normal snap when you aren't used to it. I can't imagine what its like in that sort of pressure filled situation. You know the guys over the ball were talking incredible junk to Harrison the entire time.

On another note... Anyone else want to watch the ladies camp practice the long snap? I'm sure Greg Warren considers that a perk of his job.

Zigs
10-27-2008, 05:47 PM
However, I have to wonder beyond belief whyinthehell we didn't
have the CENTER snap the ball??? Of ALL people on the team at
least he'd be used to that whole unfamiliar motion. I will blame the
decision to let Harrison go out there, never Harrison himself....

The snapping motion for a center and a long snapper are completely different. When Ben is behind center Hartwig actually turns the football to the side when he snaps the ball. The "shotgun" snap also is very different that the LS motion as you only use one hand when you are snapping the ball. The ball basically floats back to the QB instead of a tight spiral.

Long snapping requires that you use two hands and when you snap the ball you twist the ball to get the quick tight spiral back to the punter or holder. It really is something that takes a specialist that doesn't have to worry about blocking assignments and such. I would imagine that Harrison was a long snapper at some point in his football career, or even fooled around in practice long snapping the ball. He got in the game and had the adrenaline pumping and snapped a beautiful spiral out of the end zone.

Props to James for volunteering and giving it his best shot, but I don't think just putting a center in to snap the ball would have had a different result.

Now heres hoping the Steelers can sign a decent long snapper mid-season!!

VirgilBosett
10-27-2008, 06:34 PM
I agree that the snap is very diff, but I would think working with a guy like Hartwig, or Stappleton throughout the season's practices would prove far more effective than "throwing" in a LB if needed.

It looked like Farrior was next.

Lastly, I would rather see Hartwig snap the ball to the Punter the same way he does to Ben (much shorter drop of course) than to try Harrison again with a Sorry & inured Punter that close to the goal line.

This is a coaching issue IMO.

stlrz d
10-27-2008, 07:33 PM
I agree that the snap is very diff, but I would think working with a guy like Hartwig, or Stappleton throughout the season's practices would prove far more effective than "throwing" in a LB if needed.

It looked like Farrior was next.

Lastly, I would rather see Hartwig snap the ball to the Punter the same way he does to Ben (much shorter drop of course) than to try Harrison again with a Sorry & inured Punter that close to the goal line.

This is a coaching issue IMO.

But Tomlin himself said Harrison is the emergency longsnapper. As was stated earlier, he probably did it at some point in his career. You don't snap a spiral like that if you've never done it with any regularity.

I've tried it...it's not easy. It's one of those "if you can do it you can fine tune it" things. I'd guess Harrison can do it but doesn't spend any time fine tuning it in practice.

Steel Life
10-27-2008, 09:51 PM
It was reported by Giants papers that Hartwig said himself that he has NEVER long-snapped & Stapleton's tries on the sideline were brutal.

Personally I give Harrison (& Farrior) props for being willing to give it a shot.

VirgilBosett
10-27-2008, 10:12 PM
I agree that the snap is very diff, but I would think working with a guy like Hartwig, or Stappleton throughout the season's practices would prove far more effective than "throwing" in a LB if needed.

It looked like Farrior was next.

Lastly, I would rather see Hartwig snap the ball to the Punter the same way he does to Ben (much shorter drop of course) than to try Harrison again with a Sorry & inured Punter that close to the goal line.

This is a coaching issue IMO.

But Tomlin himself said Harrison is the emergency longsnapper. As was stated earlier, he probably did it at some point in his career. You don't snap a spiral like that if you've never done it with any regularity.

I've tried it...it's not easy. It's one of those "if you can do it you can fine tune it" things. I'd guess Harrison can do it but doesn't spend any time fine tuning it in practice.

That's my issue with the coaches. If he's the guy....fine. He'd better be forced to spend at least a small amount of time every practice snapping the ball. Clearly just jumping in when needed isn't good enough. The coaches should do more to get him prepared, or fine tune someone else no matter who it is. Preferably a non-starter IMO.

stlrz d
10-27-2008, 10:30 PM
I hear what you're saying Virg, but how often do you hear about a long snapper being hurt? It's just not something that happens that often and I'm sure the Steelers give as much time to their emergency guy as do other teams.

You can try, but you can never prepare for everything.

MeetJoeGreene
10-27-2008, 10:35 PM
Let's hope he takes his misery out on Jason Campbell and C Linton Portis next week

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-27-2008, 10:58 PM
The best answer that I heard to this subject today was "if centers could do this then why would every team in the league waste a valuable roster spot on a long snapper?" Think about it, if it was such a simple transition it would be done more often.

Now similarly imagine if Reed had to come in to punt because of Berger's injury. Let's then suppose he got off a 32 yard line drive that was returned 12 yards because it had no hang time. Everyone would have said "Well, what do you expect, he's not a punter. If he was any good at it why wouldn't he just take both jobs and free up a roster spot for a real football player. These guys are called specialists for a reason.

sd steel
10-27-2008, 11:16 PM
The best answer that I heard to this subject today was "if centers could do this then why would every team in the league waste a valuable roster spot on a long snapper?" Think about it, if it was such a simple transition it would be done more often.

Now similarly imagine if Reed had to come in to punt because of Berger's injury. Let's then suppose he got off a 32 yard line drive that was returned 12 yards because it had no hang time. Everyone would have said "Well, what do you expect, he's not a punter. If he was any good at it why wouldn't he just take both jobs and free up a roster spot for a real football player. These guys are called specialists for a reason.

This is the correct answer. I long snapped most of my football career, learned the skill in Pop Warner about 11 years old. It takes lots of reps and lots of confidence. Harrison obviously had the confidence and not the reps. When the adrenaline starts to kick in, you use your left hand (if you are right handed), to keep the trajectory down. You don't throw the ball to the punter, it's actually a pushing/slinging motion thrusting both of your thumbs horizontally towards the punter. It might be one of the easiest ways to make it to the NFL, but if you miss one snap at that level you normally do not return the next season. I did it from Pop Warner through college.

It probably would have helped if our punter didn't have a hamstring pull so he could have jumped for the ball. It was luck, not lack of preparation in my opinion, And seeing Harrison's snap, (nice spiral good velocity), I'm sure he has snapped either at the HS or college level, as well as practiced it as a Steeler.

kennyes
10-27-2008, 11:33 PM
...I cannot imagine how badly Harrison feels about that
botched snap. He looked absolutely devastated and
embarrassed afterwards and my heart just went out to him.

If Tomlin said he volunteered to attempt it, I have the utmost
respect for Silverback. Greg Warren teachs us how to snap the ball
to the punter every year in Women's camp. I cannot tell you
how damn hard it is to get that ball to fly parallel to the ground
while bent over and upside down...it's a totally unnatural and
unfamiliar action for everyone each year.

However, I have to wonder beyond belief whyinthehell we didn't
have the CENTER snap the ball??? Of ALL people on the team at
least he'd be used to that whole unfamiliar motion. I will blame the
decision to let Harrison go out there, never Harrison himself....


Can you be available for try outs tomorrow?

8)

RussBII
10-27-2008, 11:37 PM
On another note... Anyone else want to watch the ladies camp practice
the long snap? I'm sure Greg Warren considers that a perk of his job.

Really? Not one other poster on here wants to watch a bunch of women bend waaaay over and hike a football as hard as they can???

Really!?!?!?

buckeyehoppy
10-27-2008, 11:53 PM
[quote="steeler_fan_in_t.o.":pwuuyy0g]The best answer that I heard to this subject today was "if centers could do this then why would every team in the league waste a valuable roster spot on a long snapper?" Think about it, if it was such a simple transition it would be done more often.

Now similarly imagine if Reed had to come in to punt because of Berger's injury. Let's then suppose he got off a 32 yard line drive that was returned 12 yards because it had no hang time. Everyone would have said "Well, what do you expect, he's not a punter. If he was any good at it why wouldn't he just take both jobs and free up a roster spot for a real football player. These guys are called specialists for a reason.

This is the correct answer. I long snapped most of my football career, learned the skill in Pop Warner about 11 years old. It takes lots of reps and lots of confidence. Harrison obviously had the confidence and not the reps. When the adrenaline starts to kick in, you use your left hand (if you are right handed), to keep the trajectory down. You don't throw the ball to the punter, it's actually a pushing/slinging motion thrusting both of your thumbs horizontally towards the punter. It might be one of the easiest ways to make it to the NFL, but if you miss one snap at that level you normally do not return the next season. I did it from Pop Warner through college.

It probably would have helped if our punter didn't have a hamstring pull so he could have jumped for the ball. It was luck, not lack of preparation in my opinion, And seeing Harrison's snap, (nice spiral good velocity), I'm sure he has snapped either at the HS or college level, as well as practiced it as a Steeler.[/quote:pwuuyy0g]

Hey, if the Steelers aren't confident with Silverback (FWIW, I don't know why they wouldn't be...the snap was pretty good, but it was just too high), I nominate sd steel.

Dude, can you be at the Steelers compound by tomorrow night?

sd steel
10-28-2008, 01:39 AM
[quote="steeler_fan_in_t.o.":g0xznnj1]The best answer that I heard to this subject today was "if centers could do this then why would every team in the league waste a valuable roster spot on a long snapper?" Think about it, if it was such a simple transition it would be done more often.

Now similarly imagine if Reed had to come in to punt because of Berger's injury. Let's then suppose he got off a 32 yard line drive that was returned 12 yards because it had no hang time. Everyone would have said "Well, what do you expect, he's not a punter. If he was any good at it why wouldn't he just take both jobs and free up a roster spot for a real football player. These guys are called specialists for a reason.

This is the correct answer. I long snapped most of my football career, learned the skill in Pop Warner about 11 years old. It takes lots of reps and lots of confidence. Harrison obviously had the confidence and not the reps. When the adrenaline starts to kick in, you use your left hand (if you are right handed), to keep the trajectory down. You don't throw the ball to the punter, it's actually a pushing/slinging motion thrusting both of your thumbs horizontally towards the punter. It might be one of the easiest ways to make it to the NFL, but if you miss one snap at that level you normally do not return the next season. I did it from Pop Warner through college.

It probably would have helped if our punter didn't have a hamstring pull so he could have jumped for the ball. It was luck, not lack of preparation in my opinion, And seeing Harrison's snap, (nice spiral good velocity), I'm sure he has snapped either at the HS or college level, as well as practiced it as a Steeler.

Hey, if the Steelers aren't confident with Silverback (FWIW, I don't know why they wouldn't be...the snap was pretty good, but it was just too high), I nominate sd steel.

Dude, can you be at the Steelers compound by tomorrow night?[/quote:g0xznnj1]


Ha ha, thanks for the vote of confidence! I only airmailed one in my career of 11 years my freshman year of high school if I remember correctly. And believe it or not, I still practice it a couple times a week when I'm showing off at Pop Warner practice where I currently coach my son. If you can get me a minimum contract I will be there! Otherwise I will stay here in San Diego dreaming! :tt1

stlrz d
10-28-2008, 06:48 AM
On another note... Anyone else want to watch the ladies camp practice
the long snap? I'm sure Greg Warren considers that a perk of his job.

Really? Not one other poster on here wants to watch a bunch of women bend waaaay over and hike a football as hard as they can???

Really!?!?!?

Warren is listed at 6'3" and 252 pounds.

Sooooooooooo...draw your own conclusion.

VirgilBosett
10-28-2008, 12:46 PM
I hear what you're saying Virg, but how often do you hear about a long snapper being hurt? It's just not something that happens that often and I'm sure the Steelers give as much time to their emergency guy as do other teams.

You can try, but you can never prepare for everything.


I agree, but would have liked to see them a little more prepared than they were. I donít think their number two guy should be a starting LB that already plays ST.....even if heís really good at it. Find someone else and allow Warren to work with him during practice throughout the year.

Hindsight is always 20/20....it makes it a little too easy for me to be critical.

AngryAsian
10-28-2008, 04:34 PM
On another note... Anyone else want to watch the ladies camp practice
the long snap? I'm sure Greg Warren considers that a perk of his job.

Really? Not one other poster on here wants to watch a bunch of women bend waaaay over and hike a football as hard as they can???

Really!?!?!?

Warren is listed at 6'3" and 252 pounds.

Sooooooooooo...draw your own conclusion.


Sounds like my dream "sumo" girl. :lol:

ghettoscott
10-28-2008, 04:43 PM
On another note... Anyone else want to watch the ladies camp practice
the long snap? I'm sure Greg Warren considers that a perk of his job.

Really? Not one other poster on here wants to watch a bunch of women bend waaaay over and hike a football as hard as they can???

Really!?!?!?

as long as its not that kool-aid girl i am very interested.

papillon
10-28-2008, 10:42 PM
On another note... Anyone else want to watch the ladies camp practice
the long snap? I'm sure Greg Warren considers that a perk of his job.

Really? Not one other poster on here wants to watch a bunch of women bend waaaay over and hike a football as hard as they can???

Really!?!?!?

as long as its not that kool-aid girl i am very interested.

I just threw up in my mouth. :moon

Pappy