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papillon
10-27-2008, 02:17 PM
Two things:

What would you have done if you were the coach of the Steelers and you just scored to make the score 21-20? Go for two and the win in regulation? Try an extra point w/o your snapper and the fresh memory of Harrison's punt snap?

What do you think Tomlin would have done?


Me, I'd have gone for 2 and I believe Tomlin would have as well.

Pappy

stlrz d
10-27-2008, 02:30 PM
Agreed.

motter1975
10-27-2008, 02:45 PM
I agree 100%...I definitely would have gone for 2. Extra point was not a given by any stretch at that point, and even if we'd gotten the extra point, all that would have done was sent the game to OT, and I didn't feel at all confident that we could have scored in OT. Would definitely have gone for 2 and either won or lost the game right there.

Discipline of Steel
10-27-2008, 02:59 PM
Fake handoff over RG, Ben turns and rolls left..when he sees Heath Miller covered by the safety, he cuts outside of Ward's crackback and plows over the DB on his way to the end zone.

Slapstick
10-27-2008, 03:04 PM
I would kick the PAT...

On a FG or a PAT, you could put in Stapleton or Hartwig...they wouldn't have to run down the field on punt coverage after snapping...

MeetJoeGreene
10-27-2008, 03:09 PM
I would kick the PAT...

On a FG or a PAT, you could put in Stapleton or Hartwig...they wouldn't have to run down the field on punt coverage after snapping...

That assumes that they can snap for a hold. I would think that is even tougher that for a punt. You have to REALLY snap it back fast and have a much smaller spot to aim for.
That being said, if they did have a DIFFERENT backup snapper for that whom they were REASONABLY confident in, then I would have tried for the extra point.

However, I doubt that is the case, so I would have gone for 2. (And I think Tomlin would have as well). I bet he gets asked this at the PC tomorrow and I will be curious as to his answer.

Ghost
10-27-2008, 03:14 PM
Knowing a bad snap was basically a guranteed safety the Steelers sent Harrison out to snap. Clearly they thought he was the best option or someone else would have been out there.

You absolutely have to go for the 2. At least you have a chance (no matter how small a percentage) to win the game, whereas another bad snap is an automatic loss.

MeetJoeGreene
10-27-2008, 03:21 PM
Knowing a bad snap was basically a guranteed safety the Steelers sent Harrison out to snap. Clearly they thought he was the best option or someone else would have been out there.

You absolutely have to go for the 2. At least you have a chance (no matter how small a percentage) to win the game, whereas another bad snap is an automatic loss.

I wonder if Dennis Dixon can hold snaps? And would he be permitted to as the emergency, 3rd string QB. Because that would give us a lot of cool fake FG options (or in this case a option for making something happen even if a bad snap).

proudpittsburgher
10-29-2008, 10:41 AM
Yea, I think you still go for the extra point, despite our shortcomings due to injury. With the Giants front 7, a running play is pretty much out of the playbook, and the game is on the line. Even if things go wrong with a bad snap, it's still just an extra point. I would consider putting Ben back there to hold the snap, that way if the play breaks down due to a bad snap, you still have some chance at making a pass completion to salvage it.

proudpittsburgher
10-29-2008, 10:45 AM
Of course, with my scenario, Reed probably slips on the turf and kicks Ben in the right hand, breaking it, and sending him to the IR. That's the way things have been going this season. :HeadBanger

RussBII
10-29-2008, 10:56 AM
I bust out some trickeration w/ Denis Dixon lined up as slot reciever or RB. They've never seen him in a game... no one knows what to expect.

(This is of course provided that the play has been practiced).

But with no long snapper (LONG SNAPPAH!!! IS VERY GOOD FISH!!!), you gotta go for two...

MeetJoeGreene
10-29-2008, 11:39 AM
Of course, with my scenario, Reed probably slips on the turf and kicks Ben in the right hand, breaking it, and sending him to the IR. That's the way things have been going this season. :HeadBanger


You forgot that read rips his hamstring and is also out on IR.

stlrz d
10-29-2008, 02:10 PM
Knowing a bad snap was basically a guranteed safety the Steelers sent Harrison out to snap. Clearly they thought he was the best option or someone else would have been out there.

You absolutely have to go for the 2. At least you have a chance (no matter how small a percentage) to win the game, whereas another bad snap is an automatic loss.

I wonder if Dennis Dixon can hold snaps? And would he be permitted to as the emergency, 3rd string QB. Because that would give us a lot of cool fake FG options (or in this case a option for making something happen even if a bad snap).

I think the only way an emergency QB can take the field is if the first two are unable to due to injury.

RuthlessBurgher
10-30-2008, 10:25 AM
I bust out some trickeration w/ Denis Dixon lined up as slot reciever or RB. They've never seen him in a game... no one knows what to expect.

(This is of course provided that the play has been practiced).

But with no long snapper (LONG SNAPPAH!!! IS VERY GOOD FISH!!!), you gotta go for two...

Are my eyes deceiving me, or did you just make a UHF reference?

It's like playing the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game going from Greg Warren to Weird Al Yankovic.

http://members.tripod.com/~yank0vic/whelfish.jpg

Wheel...of...FISH!!!

sd steel
10-31-2008, 12:24 AM
Well being that I have long snapped for Punt PAT and field goals for most of my life, I know that the PAT/field goal snap is pretty easy as compared to the punt. There isn't really a chance of screwing up your trajectory because it is so short. If Harrison and Farrior have both long snapped before, (which they have), I would have no worries about the snap for a PAT.

That being said, I like our chances going for 2 from 3 yards out with Hines and Heath and Spaeth. I would play action, roll left, (because they would expect him to roll right) then have Spaeth release from the left side to the far right corner after a quick chipblock, Heath release from the right between the LBers, and Hines run a curl on the left side and find open space, if everyone is covered he could run it in himself.

papillon
10-31-2008, 09:46 PM
Well being that I have long snapped for Punt PAT and field goals for most of my life, I know that the PAT/field goal snap is pretty easy as compared to the punt. There isn't really a chance of screwing up your trajectory because it is so short. If Harrison and Farrior have both long snapped before, (which they have), I would have no worries about the snap for a PAT.

That being said, I like our chances going for 2 from 3 yards out with Hines and Heath and Spaeth. I would play action, roll left, (because they would expect him to roll right) then have Spaeth release from the left side to the far right corner after a quick chipblock, Heath release from the right between the LBers, and Hines run a curl on the left side and find open space, if everyone is covered he could run it in himself.

Who are these two players that are highlighted in red? And, do they play for the Steelers? :twisted:

Pappy

sd steel
11-01-2008, 01:58 AM
Well being that I have long snapped for Punt PAT and field goals for most of my life, I know that the PAT/field goal snap is pretty easy as compared to the punt. There isn't really a chance of screwing up your trajectory because it is so short. If Harrison and Farrior have both long snapped before, (which they have), I would have no worries about the snap for a PAT.

That being said, I like our chances going for 2 from 3 yards out with Hines and Heath and Spaeth. I would play action, roll left, (because they would expect him to roll right) then have Spaeth release from the left side to the far right corner after a quick chipblock, Heath release from the right between the LBers, and Hines run a curl on the left side and find open space, if everyone is covered he could run it in himself.

Who are these two players that are highlighted in red? And, do they play for the Steelers? :twisted:

Pappy
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