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SteelerNation1
10-24-2008, 01:28 PM
Just got a text from KDKA. He'll sit at least Sunday. This hurts. Dumbass. I actually applaud Tomlin and the coaches for sitting his rear end down.

Oviedo
10-24-2008, 01:48 PM
Good. If we lose he can carry that on his back all season.

This is what differenciates us from the Bumgals.

frankthetank1
10-24-2008, 01:51 PM
i think its a stupid move. he should of waited for a decision from the nfl before doing anything. i like the discipline and i respect and like tomlin a lot but its not fair. if harrison doesnt get any punishment, neither should smokey

SteelerNation1
10-24-2008, 01:53 PM
Maybe he'll avoid the one game suspension now. At any rate, I like the move by Coach T. Turdio has got to know better.

Oviedo
10-24-2008, 02:00 PM
i think its a stupid move. he should of waited for a decision from the nfl before doing anything. i like the discipline and i respect and like tomlin a lot but its not fair. if harrison doesnt get any punishment, neither should smokey

We are the Steelers not the Bumgals or Ratbirds. We don't need the NFL to tell us right from wrong. This is about team discipline and standards not NFL rules.

I support Tomlin 110% on this one.

rpmpit
10-24-2008, 02:02 PM
i think its a stupid move. he should of waited for a decision from the nfl before doing anything. i like the discipline and i respect and like tomlin a lot but its not fair. if harrison doesnt get any punishment, neither should smokey

We are the Steelers not the Bumgals or Ratbirds. We don't need the NFL to tell us right from wrong. This is about team discipline and standards not NFL rules.

I support Tomlin 110% on this one.

:Agree

AkronSteel
10-24-2008, 02:03 PM
i think its a stupid move. he should of waited for a decision from the nfl before doing anything. i like the discipline and i respect and like tomlin a lot but its not fair. if harrison doesnt get any punishment, neither should smokey

We are the Steelers. We don't need the NFL to tell us right from wrong. This is about team discipline and standards not NFL rules.

I support Tomlin 110% on this one.

:Agree

I couldn't have said it better myself. Tomlin is a player coach but he puts his foot down when he has to. He did the same thing, well similar anyway, with Casey in the summer. It's a team responsibility thing. Be accountable to your teammates, be accountable for yourself. Santonio let his team down, he doesn't deserve to play.

Jigawatts
10-24-2008, 02:07 PM
I say punish him like the father punished the son in Brewsters Millions (regular cigars).

Lock Santonio in a closet with a box full of weed and don't let him come out 'till he smokes
it all. On second though, with Santonio, that's probably not a good idea. :lol:

ANPSTEEL
10-24-2008, 02:14 PM
while this pisses me off- to no end...

it is the right thing to do.

Holmes let his teammates down. he was irresponsible - by deactivating Holmes for this game, Tomlin is letting the team know that-

A. No player is above the TEAM
B. He supports the team and the players

i think that handling it this way probably makes Holmes feel much more responsible for his actions and their affect upon the team, than if the league suspended him.

Also, by taking this action- Tomlin is in essence saying - we/the steelers would rather deal with this situation on our terms, than wait for the league to do it at their convenience.

The league could allow this to play out until the 'crime' is actually processed in the legal system, which could be months from now.

Also, I would bet that, not only is holmes being benched- but he is being fined by the team as well. (likely- less than a game's check- but a fine none the less.)

Steely76
10-24-2008, 02:27 PM
i think its a stupid move. he should of waited for a decision from the nfl before doing anything. i like the discipline and i respect and like tomlin a lot but its not fair. if harrison doesnt get any punishment, neither should smokey

I know! He should've just explained he was toking on a doobie to celebrate his son's baptism and Mr. Rooney would've exonerated him.

Djfan
10-24-2008, 02:39 PM
i think its a stupid move. he should of waited for a decision from the nfl before doing anything. i like the discipline and i respect and like tomlin a lot but its not fair. if harrison doesnt get any punishment, neither should smokey

I know! He should've just explained he was toking on a doobie to celebrate his son's baptism and Mr. Rooney would've exonerated him.

That's funny!

MeetJoeGreene
10-24-2008, 02:39 PM
I am not sure how I feel about this.

Unless he has pled guilty OR been convicted, he is still "innocent" until proven guilty.

Now, don't get me wrong, I believe he is guilty. But shouldn't we wait for the proper disposition of the law, before imposing our own punishment?

(and hopefully that disposition would come on a week when we are playing the Bungles)

Regardless. What a tool.

ANPSTEEL
10-24-2008, 02:45 PM
i think its a stupid move. he should of waited for a decision from the nfl before doing anything. i like the discipline and i respect and like tomlin a lot but its not fair. if harrison doesnt get any punishment, neither should smokey

I know! He should've just explained he was toking on a doobie to celebrate his son's baptism and Mr. Rooney would've exonerated him.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

costanza2k1
10-24-2008, 02:46 PM
great move on Tomlin's part! We'll get to see what Nate and Sweed can do now. We still win!

:Clap :Clap

costanza2k1
10-24-2008, 02:47 PM
Dale Lolly's comments:

Blogger Dale Lolley said...

I wasn't in Pittsburgh today, so I won't know if Smith practiced until after they're done. I would assume he's back and will play.
Holmes has been suspended by the team for the game. Nate Washington will start against the Giants.
I doubt they'll activate a DB. No need.
As for Russell, it's going to depend on Willie Parker's status.
He looks like a career backup to me, but you never.

Ozey74
10-24-2008, 03:50 PM
I have a bittersweet reaction to this. The good angle on one shoulder tells me this is the right thing to do. The devil on my other shoulder is telling me to be pissed.

Oviedo
10-24-2008, 04:01 PM
Dale Lolly's comments:

Blogger Dale Lolley said...

I wasn't in Pittsburgh today, so I won't know if Smith practiced until after they're done. I would assume he's back and will play.
Holmes has been suspended by the team for the game. Nate Washington will start against the Giants.
I doubt they'll activate a DB. No need.
As for Russell, it's going to depend on Willie Parker's status.
He looks like a career backup to me, but you never.

I think Russell can be a good #2 back. He just needs to get the carries. He had some really good runs against the Jags, but last week he didn't look as good against the Bumgals. Consistency comes with repitition. Give him the rock and I think we will start to see some progress.

I really hope he starts to improve because I'm getting more and more worried about FWP. This is beginning to sound like one of those injuries that you hope heals with time, but in about a week you hear he is getting his knee scoped.

SteelerNation1
10-24-2008, 04:32 PM
Dale Lolly's comments:

Blogger Dale Lolley said...

I wasn't in Pittsburgh today, so I won't know if Smith practiced until after they're done. I would assume he's back and will play.
Holmes has been suspended by the team for the game. Nate Washington will start against the Giants.
I doubt they'll activate a DB. No need.
As for Russell, it's going to depend on Willie Parker's status.
He looks like a career backup to me, but you never.

I think Russell can be a good #2 back. He just needs to get the carries. He had some really good runs against the Jags, but last week he didn't look as good against the Bumgals. Consistency comes with repitition. Give him the rock and I think we will start to see some progress.

I really hope he starts to improve because I'm getting more and more worried about FWP. This is beginning to sound like one of those injuries that you hope heals with time, but in about a week you hear he is getting his knee scoped.
Very worrisome about FWP. I still say our biggest loss wil be A Smith if he cant go.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
10-24-2008, 05:28 PM
Here is what is on the official Steelers web site about this, including comments by Tomlin. Sounds like he is saying that with the game only 2 days away, he doesn't have time to deal with the distraction, and neither does the team.

Says he talked to Holmes ... presumably Holmes told him he did it, so that's good enough in my book to satisfy the "innocent until proven guillty" clause.

Tough game coming up, gotta break out all the towels, Jersey's, hats, and beer mugs!

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Holmes inactive for Giants game
Friday, October 24, 2008
By Teresa Varley
Steelers.com

Wide receiver Santonio Holmes will be inactive on Sunday against the Giants while the team learns more about a traffic stop that resulted in marijuana being found in his car.

“His situation has created somewhat of a distraction,” said head coach Mike Tomlin. “We want to minimize that as much as we can and remain focused on the task at hand which is to compete and play against the New York Giants on Sunday. That is where we are at this point. We don’t have a great deal of information. We choose to address it as an organization and football team on Monday.”

Tomlin met with Holmes on Friday morning and let him know what his status would be for this week and told him to report back to the team’s practice facility on Monday.

“I notified him of that and told him I would see him on Monday morning,” said Tomlin.

Holmes has not been suspended by the team, but instead will be of one of the inactives that each team is required to have on game day.

Pittsburgh police pulled Holmes over on Thursday when they spotted his SUV, which was similar to one they were looking for in another case. At that point the marijuana was found.

Holmes has had past legal troubles, but Tomlin will not judge him based on the past but instead learn more about the current incident.

“This is the first incident that has happened with Santonio since I have been here,” said Tomlin. “I base my judgment on people off our direct interaction. This is how I choose to address it and deal with it at this time. My approach and mentality in regards to the situation might be different next week. Right now I don’t have the time or patience to delve into it. We’re just going to be prepared to play and play with the men we designate.

“I don’t have a great deal of information and this is the direction I choose to go. I choose to remain solely focused on what we have in front of us this weekend as a football team. That decision was made with that in mind.”

Nate Washington will get the start on Sunday in place of Holmes and Limas Sweed and Dallas Baker will also see action.

“He has shown that he can consistently be a big-play maker for us and has over the last two games,” said Tomlin on Washington. “We are going to need him to play big again on Sunday. He embraces that challenge. He is at a point in his career where he needs to embrace those challenges. We look forward to watching him do that.”

Running back Willie Parker missed practice for the second straight day on Friday and Tomlin listed him as doubtful for Sunday’s game.

“He showed some good things early in the week,” said Tomlin. “His participation got more limited as we went on in the week. That’s where we are with this thing. We’ll continue to take it day to day. Hopefully he will get back to us soon. I know he is chomping at the bit and so are we.”

Defensive end Aaron Smith was excused from practice for the third straight day as he deals with a personal matter and his status for Sunday’s game is unknown.

“He has our complete and full support,” said Tomlin. “He is going through a tough time right now. I would allow him to address that when he deems it necessary. At this time he has our full support and it’s questionable whether or not he will participate this weekend.”

Offensive tackle Marvel Smith will not play on Sunday after missing practice again this week with back spasms.

With Holmes out this week and the injuries the Steelers could make a roster move prior to the Giants game.

Hogerules33
10-24-2008, 05:38 PM
I think we all need to be proud of the fact that our organization took the reins here and suspended him right away.

No one is indispensable (grave yards are full of indispensable people). This is what separates us from other organizations who will do anything and everything to win.

Just look at the Jaguars. That is a football organization that I normally have a lot of respect for, with the way they mirror Steeler football. However, Matt Jones was caught redhanded with cocaine in his car, and they never suspended him. He has started all year for them.

The NFL has just recently suspended Matt Jones for three games, and guess what? Jones, with the Jaguars blessing, is appealing the decision!!

It's one game guys, if we drop it due to injuries and suspensions, we will still be in the drivers seat in the division. :tt2

AngryAsian
10-25-2008, 12:19 AM
I applaud my brothers who support this Tomlin/FO maneuver with regard to Santonio. We don't wait to be policed by the NFL... that's what sets this franchise apart from others. Awesome for the Steelers and the right message to send to not only the team but to the league that we just won't tolerate that kind of Cincinnati behavior. Bonehead move on Santonio's behalf and heroic move on Tomlin's part.

MeetJoeGreene
10-25-2008, 07:59 AM
As I thought more about it, I did come to realize that it was probably a good thing to do from as distraction perspective. And if Santonio did man up to it, then there wouldn't be the innocent untll guilty issue

frankthetank1
10-25-2008, 09:32 AM
Dale Lolly's comments:

Blogger Dale Lolley said...

I wasn't in Pittsburgh today, so I won't know if Smith practiced until after they're done. I would assume he's back and will play.
Holmes has been suspended by the team for the game. Nate Washington will start against the Giants.
I doubt they'll activate a DB. No need.
As for Russell, it's going to depend on Willie Parker's status.
He looks like a career backup to me, but you never.

that is good news about smith. im sure its just personal issues, which isnt good either. what is that suppose to mean russell looks like a career backup? the guy is a second year player. ive been impressed with him

Rickt011
10-25-2008, 11:47 AM
I bet it was the Rooney's who told Coach T to deactivate him. The Rooney's are known for doing stuff like this. When they know the player is at fault, they do a quick deactivation and supply the info to the NFL and await their suggestions and then punishment for the player. SH made a big mistake, no matter what your feelings are on pot, the law now says it is illegal, so the laws apply. We may have just been dealt a severe blow to our receiving corps. Nate is no SH, and will not provide the highlight reel material SH is known for. This just further shows how bad our team is getting depth wise. We are hurting in many areas. 8-8 may have been to nice, 6-10 looks more realistic now.

frankthetank1
10-25-2008, 11:51 AM
I bet it was the Rooney's who told Coach T to deactivate him. The Rooney's are known for doing stuff like this. When they know the player is at fault, they do a quick deactivation and supply the info to the NFL and await their suggestions and then punishment for the player. SH made a big mistake, no matter what your feelings are on pot, the law now says it is illegal, so the laws apply. We may have just been dealt a severe blow to our receiving corps. Nate is no SH, and will not provide the highlight reel material SH is known for. This just further shows how bad our team is getting depth wise. We are hurting in many areas. 8-8 may have been to nice, 6-10 looks more realistic now.

haha they already have 5 wins!!! how would they possibly go 6-10? even 8-8 would be hard seeing as they would only win 3 more games

BigLebowski
10-25-2008, 12:02 PM
While I applaud coach Tomlin for deactivating him from the game tomorrow :Clap , all this shows to me is the selfishness of Santonio Holmes. :roll:

costanza2k1
10-25-2008, 01:31 PM
I thought the fan base, the ones that enjoy it when our team/organization fails, said Tomlin doesn't hold his players accountable? Sure seems like he does to me.

SteelTorch
10-25-2008, 04:03 PM
I bet it was the Rooney's who told Coach T to deactivate him. The Rooney's are known for doing stuff like this. When they know the player is at fault, they do a quick deactivation and supply the info to the NFL and await their suggestions and then punishment for the player. SH made a big mistake, no matter what your feelings are on pot, the law now says it is illegal, so the laws apply. We may have just been dealt a severe blow to our receiving corps. Nate is no SH, and will not provide the highlight reel material SH is known for. This just further shows how bad our team is getting depth wise. We are hurting in many areas. 8-8 may have been to nice, 6-10 looks more realistic now.
Every time you post a prediction, a puppy dies.

RuthlessBurgher
10-25-2008, 04:20 PM
I bet it was the Rooney's who told Coach T to deactivate him. The Rooney's are known for doing stuff like this. When they know the player is at fault, they do a quick deactivation and supply the info to the NFL and await their suggestions and then punishment for the player. SH made a big mistake, no matter what your feelings are on pot, the law now says it is illegal, so the laws apply. We may have just been dealt a severe blow to our receiving corps. Nate is no SH, and will not provide the highlight reel material SH is known for. This just further shows how bad our team is getting depth wise. We are hurting in many areas. 8-8 may have been to nice, 6-10 looks more realistic now.
Every time you post a prediction, a puppy dies.

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ramblinjim
10-25-2008, 06:18 PM
I applaud my brothers who support this Tomlin/FO maneuver with regard to Santonio. We don't wait to be policed by the NFL... that's what sets this franchise apart from others. Awesome for the Steelers and the right message to send to not only the team but to the league that we just won't tolerate that kind of Cincinnati behavior. Bonehead move on Santonio's behalf and heroic move on Tomlin's part.


:Agree

great post AS. I think Tomlin did the right thing, get the distraction over with immediately and go on with your business.

Ozey74
10-25-2008, 06:29 PM
I applaud my brothers who support this Tomlin/FO maneuver with regard to Santonio. We don't wait to be policed by the NFL... that's what sets this franchise apart from others. Awesome for the Steelers and the right message to send to not only the team but to the league that we just won't tolerate that kind of Cincinnati behavior. Bonehead move on Santonio's behalf and heroic move on Tomlin's part.


:Agree

great post AS. I think Tomlin did the right thing, get the distraction over with immediately and go on with your business.

Wining tomorrow makes the message that much stronger!!

AkronSteel
10-25-2008, 07:28 PM
I bet it was the Rooney's who told Coach T to deactivate him. The Rooney's are known for doing stuff like this. When they know the player is at fault, they do a quick deactivation and supply the info to the NFL and await their suggestions and then punishment for the player. SH made a big mistake, no matter what your feelings are on pot, the law now says it is illegal, so the laws apply. We may have just been dealt a severe blow to our receiving corps. Nate is no SH, and will not provide the highlight reel material SH is known for. This just further shows how bad our team is getting depth wise. We are hurting in many areas. 8-8 may have been to nice, 6-10 looks more realistic now.

What team are you watching? This team has serious problems with depth huh? Okay....I guess getting wins the last three weeks with backups scattered all over the field didn't count, and please don't tell me about how the team hasn't played anybody either because you play who is on the schedule. This team has solid depth all over the team, probably more depth than just about any team in the league. I know....I know, you're going to talk about the OL and DL. Give it a rest! The team is 5-1 and now they will only get 6 wins? Laughable just laughable!

Ozey74
10-25-2008, 08:28 PM
We will be OK without Holmes.

I'm sure many of you will recall the Steeler game last year against the Seahawks when we were without Santonio & Hines Wards.

Ben was 18-22 for 206 yds and a TD.

:tt2

buckeyehoppy
10-26-2008, 12:21 PM
i think its a stupid move. he should of waited for a decision from the nfl before doing anything. i like the discipline and i respect and like tomlin a lot but its not fair. if harrison doesnt get any punishment, neither should smokey

We are the Steelers not the Bumgals or Ratbirds. We don't need the NFL to tell us right from wrong. This is about team discipline and standards not NFL rules.

I support Tomlin 110% on this one.

:Agree

Sanantonio, sucks 2 B U... :loser

buckeyehoppy
10-26-2008, 12:36 PM
I applaud my brothers who support this Tomlin/FO maneuver with regard to Santonio. We don't wait to be policed by the NFL... that's what sets this franchise apart from others.

Awesome for the Steelers and the right message to send to not only the team but to the league that we just won't tolerate that kind of Cincinnati behavior.

Bonehead move on Santonio's behalf and heroic move on Tomlin's part.

Yeah, exactly!!!

Or Clowns behavior, where the team excuses the behavior of a player berating a team official with a profanity laced tirade.

The Steelers are a team. The rest of the league is just a bunch of individuals who are > than their "teams"

AngryAsian
10-26-2008, 03:04 PM
I applaud my brothers who support this Tomlin/FO maneuver with regard to Santonio. We don't wait to be policed by the NFL... that's what sets this franchise apart from others.

Awesome for the Steelers and the right message to send to not only the team but to the league that we just won't tolerate that kind of Cincinnati behavior.

Bonehead move on Santonio's behalf and heroic move on Tomlin's part.

Yeah, exactly!!!

Or Clowns behavior, where the team excuses the behavior of a player berating a team official with a profanity laced tirade.

The Steelers are a team. The rest of the league is just a bunch of individuals who are > than their "teams"


PLAX is the most shining example of the typical "me first" attitude. I'm glad this cancer is no longer on our team.