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fordfixer
09-16-2008, 12:40 AM
Debate centers on Roethlisberger's injury
By Scott Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, September 16, 2008

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 88393.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_588393.html)

There is no denying that Ben Roethlisberger played hurt Sunday night.

How much pain the quarterback endured in his right shoulder while leading the Steelers to a 10th consecutive victory over the Cleveland Browns remains a matter of speculation.

What should be comforting to Steelers fans: Roethlisberger's shoulder injury does not appear to be serious, and he does not appear to be in danger of missing Sunday's game at Philadelphia.

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin will address Roethlisberger's status today at his weekly news conference.

Tomlin said last week that Roethlisberger had a sore shoulder and characterized the injury as no big deal. Then, during its telecast of the Steelers-Browns game Sunday night, NBC said Roethlisberger was playing with an AC separation in his shoulder.

Roethlisberger did not appear to be in any obvious discomfort Monday as he ate lunch at the Steelers' South Side practice facility. He did not have his right arm in a sling. Nor did he have his shoulder wrapped or packed in ice.

That was not the only indication that Roethlisberger's injury is a minor one. He completed 12 of 19 passes for 189 yards and a touchdown at Cleveland Browns Stadium despite throwing, at times, into stiff winds. Roethlisberger also had enough arm strength to complete passes of 48 and 31 yards.

"He seems like he's cool," Steelers guard Kendall Simmons said of Roethlisberger. "He'll probably get a little treatment, chill out Wednesday (on the first day of practice this week) and do what he's got to do to get ready (for Sunday's game)."

There are six grades of shoulder separations.

Roethlisberger does not appear to have a separation beyond Grades 1 or 2 -- the mildest forms of injury. Any separation beyond a Grade 2 involves a tear of the AC joint, which is formed by the joining of the collarbone, shoulder blade and humerus.

A Grade 1 or 2 separation would cause an athlete pain when he is playing, according to medical literature. But neither would necessarily put him at risk of aggravating the injury by throwing the ball.

Neither Tomlin nor Roethlisberger talked about the extent of the quarterback's injury following the game.

Roethlisberger referred any questions about his shoulder to the Steelers' trainers. When asked about NBC's report during its telecast, Tomlin said, "They know more than I do. That's good television, I guess."

Roethlisberger's physical condition while playing in a nationally televised game has generated headlines before.

Following the AFC Championship Game in January 2005, former Steelers coach Bill Cowher refuted a claim by Roethlisberger that he had broken a couple of toes during a 41-27 loss to the Patriots.

In September 2006, Michele Tafoya of "Monday Night Football" reported before a game in Jacksonville that Roethlisberger would play despite having a temperature of 104 degrees.

Roethlisberger later said that Tafoya may have misunderstood him, adding that his temperature had been 100.4 degrees; Tafoya stood by her original report.

Reporters weren't the only ones in the dark about Roethlisberger's latest injury.

When asked after the game about the NBC report, starting right tackle Willie Colon said, "That's the first time I heard that. We just thought he was banged up."

"I didn't know it was that bad," Simmons said yesterday of Roethlisberger's shoulder. "He was just like, 'Make sure you all do the best you can to keep me clean tonight.' We're always trying to do that, but if his shoulder is bothering him, you try to do a little extra."

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

AkronSteel
09-16-2008, 01:21 AM
This whole thing is very confusing. I can't tell if the team is playing cat and mouse with the media and their future opponents by playing the Ben is injured card, but it just seems strange. Mikey T acts like he doesn't even know what the injury is and then Ben says "Well I'm not sure if I have a seperated shoulder, you'll have to ask the trainers."

Huh? :wft

It didn't seem like the shoulder bothered his motion or anything last night, but when he got hit he would grimace. I just remember listening to an interview with Bradshaw where he said he would act like he was hurt b/c it would make his teammates play harder. I wonder if this is part of the ploy.

I don't know? I am just very confused with this situation. I guess we will just have to wait and see!

Mel Blount's G
09-16-2008, 01:38 AM
My fear is that he's gonna take even more hits from an aggressive iggle D than that pussy-stuff the browns bring. Especially since the iggles run D looked stout against the cowgirls meaning we may be in some 3rd and longs and Jim Johnson, not unlike lebeau, likes to bring the heat in those situations.

SteelTorch
09-16-2008, 05:11 AM
My fear is that he's gonna take even more hits from an aggressive iggle D than that pussy-stuff the browns bring. Especially since the iggles run D looked stout against the cowgirls meaning we may be in some 3rd and longs and Jim Johnson, not unlike lebeau, likes to bring the heat in those situations.
Ya mean the same eagles D that allowed 41 points? :P

BigBen2112
09-16-2008, 08:32 AM
My fear is that he's gonna take even more hits from an aggressive iggle D than that pussy-stuff the browns bring. Especially since the iggles run D looked stout against the cowgirls meaning we may be in some 3rd and longs and Jim Johnson, not unlike lebeau, likes to bring the heat in those situations.

To the actual runningbacks didnt they give up 3.4 yards per carry? Parker only averaged 3.8 yards per carry against the Browns. If Parker rushes the ball 28-30 times again? Even at the Eagles 3.4 yards per carry he'd have between 95 and 102 yards.

I think our D is better than the 'Girls and I think that we can hold the Eagles down at least a little offensively.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-16-2008, 08:45 AM
Debate centers on Roethlisberger's injury
By Scott Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, September 16, 2008

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 88393.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_588393.html)

... There are six grades of shoulder separations.

Roethlisberger does not appear to have a separation beyond Grades 1 or 2 -- the mildest forms of injury. Any separation beyond a Grade 2 involves a tear of the AC joint, which is formed by the joining of the collarbone, shoulder blade and humerus.

A Grade 1 or 2 separation would cause an athlete pain when he is playing, according to medical literature. But neither would necessarily put him at risk of aggravating the injury by throwing the ball.
...

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribw eb.com or 412-481-5432.

I hope this part is true ... hate to think that it would be getting worse and worse just by playing.

Got to keep him as "clean" as possible though ...

Steely76
09-16-2008, 09:09 AM
My fear is that he's gonna take even more hits from an aggressive iggle D than that pussy-stuff the browns bring. Especially since the iggles run D looked stout against the cowgirls meaning we may be in some 3rd and longs and Jim Johnson, not unlike lebeau, likes to bring the heat in those situations.
Ya mean the same eagles D that allowed 41 points? :P


I was thinking the exact same thing. Stout??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oviedo
09-16-2008, 09:24 AM
I certainly hope that Tomlin does not give full disclosure on injuries. I think the NFL policy on stating injury status is total hypocrisy on the part of the NFL. They do it for the odds makers in Vegas and then turn around and tell the Rooney's they have to get rid of race tracks because it is non football gambling.

If I was the coach I'd tell the media to go screw themselves whenever they asked about injuries.

Ghost
09-16-2008, 11:27 AM
I certainly hope that Tomlin does not give full disclosure on injuries. I think the NFL policy on stating injury status is total hypocrisy on the part of the NFL. They do it for the odds makers in Vegas and then turn around and tell the Rooney's they have to get rid of race tracks because it is non football gambling.

If I was the coach I'd tell the media to go screw themselves whenever they asked about injuries.

Totally agree. And on top of that it seems to be a rule that is haphazardly enforced at best. The entire league seems to look the other way or even laugh about how the patriots or Parcells is so flippant/downright dishonest about the injury report. As if it's ok to lie if you're known to lie about it?

If I'm Tomlin I'm not saying a thing or certainly nothing another team can use in the least.