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Oviedo
08-19-2008, 03:45 AM
Can you believe how desperate these idiots are to win? I would be embarrassed to be a Bumgals fan and bring back Chris Henry.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3541693

Totally classless organization. They will always be the joke of the NFL.

BIG FAN
08-19-2008, 04:25 AM
Can you believe how desperate these idiots are to win? I would be embarrassed to be a Bumgals fan and bring back Chris Henry.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3541693

Totally classless organization. They will always be the joke of the NFL.

There is no way we could do that, O.
We have always "cut" talent if they have no character.
That is why we dont have these kind of problems. (See Tim Whorley, Bam Morris ect.)

Ozey74
08-19-2008, 07:36 AM
Vegas should do an over/under on which week he will get arrested again. I'll give him to Week #9.

:bungalssuck

phillyesq
08-19-2008, 08:02 AM
Chris Henry going back to the Bungals is a great news. For the rest of the AFC North.

For the handful of people in the world that have been lifelong Bungals fans, I feel bad. For the obnoxious bandwagoners that appeared for the first time a few years ago, serves 'em right.

BIG FAN
08-19-2008, 08:20 AM
Chris Henry going back to the Bungals is a great news. For the rest of the AFC North.

For the handful of people in the world that have been lifelong Bungals fans, I feel bad. For the obnoxious bandwagoners that appeared for the first time a few years ago, serves 'em right.

Bad News for those in So. Ohio, those without big vicious dogs to protect thier shid.

frankthetank1
08-19-2008, 08:24 AM
what an absolute joke. why in the world would a team cut a player for character issues and re-sign him a month later? thats pathetic

Steel Life
08-19-2008, 08:34 AM
For teams eager to validate themselves, they will always be willing to compromise their values...the Bengals, the Patriots...the Chinese Olympic team :stirpot

Oviedo
08-19-2008, 08:47 AM
For teams eager to validate themselves, they will always be willing to compromise their values...the Bengals, the Patriots...the Chinese Olympic team :stirpot

:Agree :bungalssuck

I guess the desperation to quit being the NFL's laughing stock will cause you to sell out any ethics you may have. It is truely sad that a so called professional organization would do this.

Bungals records by decade:

2000's: 54-74-0
1990's: 52-108-0
1980's: 81-71-0
1970's: 74-70-0

Could an NFL franchise suck anymore than these guys? They deserve Chris Henry and any other bum they can find. The best thing that could ever happen to them is relocation and put the franchise out of it's misery.

frankthetank1
08-19-2008, 08:51 AM
For teams eager to validate themselves, they will always be willing to compromise their values...the Bengals, the Patriots...the Chinese Olympic team :stirpot

:Agree :bungalssuck

I guess the desperation to quit being the NFL's laughing stock will cause you to sell out any ethics you may have. It is truely sad that a so called professional organization would do this.

Bungals records by decade:

2000's: 54-74-0
1990's: 52-108-0
1980's: 81-71-0
1970's: 74-70-0

Could an NFL franchise suck anymore than these guys? They deserve Chris Henry and any other bum they can find. The best thing that could ever happen to them is relocation and put the franchise out of it's misery.

they were only 10 games over .500 in the 80's? i wouldnt of guessed that. that is really pathetic. they are a worse organization then the browns and thats saying a lot. can you blame browns and bungles fans for hating the steelers so much? i cant, it must suck being so inferrior :lol:

BIG FAN
08-19-2008, 08:54 AM
For teams eager to validate themselves, they will always be willing to compromise their values...the Bengals, the Patriots...the Chinese Olympic team :stirpot

:Agree :bungalssuck

I guess the desperation to quit being the NFL's laughing stock will cause you to sell out any ethics you may have. It is truely sad that a so called professional organization would do this.

Bungals records by decade:

2000's: 54-74-0
1990's: 52-108-0
1980's: 81-71-0
1970's: 74-70-0

Could an NFL franchise suck anymore than these guys? They deserve Chris Henry and any other bum they can find. The best thing that could ever happen to them is relocation and put the franchise out of it's misery.

Oooff!

Oviedo
08-19-2008, 09:50 AM
Marvin Lewis is spineless to let Henry back. He has lost total control of that team and it is unlikely after he is fired he will ever get another NFL head coaching job. Wasn't he the one just a month ago saying Henry wasn't welcome?

Steel Life
08-19-2008, 11:06 AM
Marvin Lewis is spineless to let Henry back. He has lost total control of that team and it is unlikely after he is fired he will ever get another NFL head coaching job. Wasn't he the one just a month ago saying Henry wasn't welcome?

The stories are that it isn't his call...this is on Mike Brown (aka "The Redeemer"). Either way it doesn't matter - the moment he screws up all of this will be dredged up again. Wonder how Carson feels about this...

LasVegasGuy
08-19-2008, 11:31 AM
Isn't he suspended for the first 4 games anyway? Why not wait for teams to start cutting players. I'm sure there are going to be some big time, experienced players cut in the next week or so. To resort back to Henry after you released him is too damn funny. The Bengals are a mess, Chad Johnson is a mess.

By the way if Phelps can win 8 gold medals and take 7 world records I would love to see the "inner city kids" that Chad says can beat him right now. He should be released for just being stupid. I would be embarrased if I was a Bengals fan or Carson Palmer.

Mel Blount's G
08-19-2008, 11:40 AM
I love it. That "team" is skidding downhill in a hurry. They'll will be lucky to have won a single game by the time Henry even sees the field. The one guy I actually feel bad for is Keith Rivers. Seems like a good kid and I think he'd a made a great Steeler. Too bad for him he'll be surrounded by "thugs" (yeah, that's right, I said it...), losing and general malcontent.

eniparadoxgma
08-19-2008, 12:35 PM
Can you believe how desperate these idiots are to win? I would be embarrassed to be a Bumgals fan and bring back Chris Henry.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3541693

Totally classless organization. They will always be the joke of the NFL.

There is no way we could do that, O.
We have always "cut" talent if they have no character.
That is why we dont have these kind of problems. (See Tim Whorley, Bam Morris ect.)

And that's just one of the many things I appreciate about the way our organization is run. :tt1

Jom112
08-19-2008, 12:55 PM
As I said before when there were rumors of this happening a couple of weeks ago, I want to see Henry turn his life around and get back in the NFL but I don't want him back in Cincy. Not much more to say about that...



The stories are that it isn't his call...this is on Mike Brown (aka "The Redeemer"). Either way it doesn't matter - the moment he screws up all of this will be dredged up again. Wonder how Carson feels about this...

Carson I don't think minds it. He got close with Henry as I'm sure a lot of qb's and receivers do, so I'm sure part of him wants to help Henry succeed on and off the field.



And that's just one of the many things I appreciate about the way our organization is run. :tt1

The Steelers are a better run organization than most in the NFL, that I'll give you. But you guys make similar decisions and it's not always the right one (From a moral standpoint).

Case in point two Steelers get charged with Domestic Violence a couple of weeks apart from each other. One gets kicked off the team the next morning, while the other receives zero punishment. Care to explain why?

LasVegasGuy
08-19-2008, 02:35 PM
As I said before when there were rumors of this happening a couple of weeks ago, I want to see Henry turn his life around and get back in the NFL but I don't want him back in Cincy. Not much more to say about that...



The stories are that it isn't his call...this is on Mike Brown (aka "The Redeemer"). Either way it doesn't matter - the moment he screws up all of this will be dredged up again. Wonder how Carson feels about this...

Carson I don't think minds it. He got close with Henry as I'm sure a lot of qb's and receivers do, so I'm sure part of him wants to help Henry succeed on and off the field.



And that's just one of the many things I appreciate about the way our organization is run. :tt1

The Steelers are a better run organization than most in the NFL, that I'll give you. But you guys make similar decisions and it's not always the right one (From a moral standpoint).

Case in point two Steelers get charged with Domestic Violence a couple of weeks apart from each other. One gets kicked off the team the next morning, while the other receives zero punishment. Care to explain why?


One sucked the other didn't.

AkronSteel
08-19-2008, 02:39 PM
As I said before when there were rumors of this happening a couple of weeks ago, I want to see Henry turn his life around and get back in the NFL but I don't want him back in Cincy. Not much more to say about that...



The stories are that it isn't his call...this is on Mike Brown (aka "The Redeemer"). Either way it doesn't matter - the moment he screws up all of this will be dredged up again. Wonder how Carson feels about this...

Carson I don't think minds it. He got close with Henry as I'm sure a lot of qb's and receivers do, so I'm sure part of him wants to help Henry succeed on and off the field.



And that's just one of the many things I appreciate about the way our organization is run. :tt1

The Steelers are a better run organization than most in the NFL, that I'll give you. But you guys make similar decisions and it's not always the right one (From a moral standpoint).

Case in point two Steelers get charged with Domestic Violence a couple of weeks apart from each other. One gets kicked off the team the next morning, while the other receives zero punishment. Care to explain why?


One sucked the other didn't.

I believe that C Wilson had a similar incident with the same girl and the team didn't cut him, but when it happened again that is when the axe was swung.

J Harrison had one incident and immediately seeked help for the situation with counseling, he was being very proactive.

That is the difference!

Jom112
08-19-2008, 02:54 PM
I believe that C Wilson had a similar incident with the same girl and the team didn't cut him, but when it happened again that is when the axe was swung.

J Harrison had one incident and immediately seeked help for the situation with counseling, he was being very proactive.

That is the difference!

As I read and heard from your fellow fans when the original incident occurred, the girl had cops come for her, but C Wilson wasn't there and had nothing to do with the incident. Now you guys are saying he had a similar incident? Ced was never even charged with anything in the supposed first incident.

Also Holmes and Harrison both have one strike. Do you honestly think that if either gets into a "similar" situation that either will be cut?





One sucked the other didn't.

:Agree

AngryAsian
08-19-2008, 04:04 PM
Isn't he suspended for the first 4 games anyway? Why not wait for teams to start cutting players. I'm sure there are going to be some big time, experienced players cut in the next week or so. To resort back to Henry after you released him is too damn funny. The Bengals are a mess, Chad Johnson is a mess.


Big chance the Bungles are taking by acquiring Henry's services. Goodell has already stated that he'll remove picks from organizations who retain these players coming off suspsensions if they cross the line again. This move is most unwise. But hey they're loss is our gain.

AkronSteel
08-19-2008, 04:32 PM
I believe that C Wilson had a similar incident with the same girl and the team didn't cut him, but when it happened again that is when the axe was swung.

J Harrison had one incident and immediately seeked help for the situation with counseling, he was being very proactive.

That is the difference!

As I read and heard from your fellow fans when the original incident occurred, the girl had cops come for her, but C Wilson wasn't there and had nothing to do with the incident. Now you guys are saying he had a similar incident? Ced was never even charged with anything in the supposed first incident.

Also Holmes and Harrison both have one strike. Do you honestly think that if either gets into a "similar" situation that either will be cut?





One sucked the other didn't.

:Agree

First of all I never said that it wasn't a similar incident, and I cannot comment for my fellow Steelers fans and what they said, but if the first incident wasn't similar to the next then I don't know what it was. There was definately a corrolation between the first incident and the last one, it set a precedent for things to come. The team saw it that way I'm sure. If someone wants to claim that the guy had nothing to do with the first time the cops were called out then they are blind. Did the guy vacate the premises before the cops arrived sure but he still was there that night and there was a fight. Whether he was charged with anything or not has no bearing on how it was precieved by the public. Black eye for the team!

The Harrison situation was addressed in house by the team and James took the initiative to help solve the problem. That kind of behavior was not what was expressed by Cedric at the time of his incident (either one). According to him, he had nothing to do with it. Was Harrisons incident a black eye for the organization as well, YES, but he took the steps necessary to resolve the situation.

As far as someone being cleared of charges, why would you bring up Santonio. He was charged in two different incidents but was not convicted of either. He has shown no other problems off the field since before his rookie year. I don't believe that is an issue, maybe he was just a kid in the wrong place at the wrong time. We have all been mixed up with people that probably weren't best for our lives. Ever think of that? Unlike your boy Chris Henry, our young reciever knows how to keep out of trouble.

LasVegasGuy
08-19-2008, 04:55 PM
Isn't he suspended for the first 4 games anyway? Why not wait for teams to start cutting players. I'm sure there are going to be some big time, experienced players cut in the next week or so. To resort back to Henry after you released him is too damn funny. The Bengals are a mess, Chad Johnson is a mess.


Big chance the Bungles are taking by acquiring Henry's services. Goodell has already stated that he'll remove picks from organizations who retain these players coming off suspsensions if they cross the line again. This move is most unwise. But hey they're loss is our gain.

I did not know that Goodell said he would take picks from teams that retain repeat offenders. Good for him. Was there also an asterisk in there that says the Patriots are exempt from the rule?

Steel Life
08-19-2008, 05:43 PM
Jom - I think every team has their share of players with issues...it's how the team deals with them that matters. Yes, we've had our share, but as someone else said - the Steelers tend to deal with it quickly & quietly. Whereas the Bengals have courted this type of player (Henry, Thurman, Rucker, Nicholson, McNeal, Askew, O'Neal & Brooks) & excused their transgressions to try to become a better team. But what other team's fans react to is the hypocrisy...

"The Bengals released Henry after he was accused of punching a college student and breaking his car window with a beer bottle in March. Bengals president Mike Brown also cut ties with Henry, saying he could no longer be with the team.

"His conduct can no longer be tolerated," Brown said at the time. "The Bengals tried for an extended period of time to support Chris and his potentially bright career. We had hoped to guide him toward an appropriate standard of personal responsibility that this community would support and that would allow him to play in the NFL. ... But those efforts end today, as we move on with what is best for our team."

The Bengals said nothing about their decision to re-sign Henry, but they didn't have to - their actions spoke volumes.

fordfixer
08-19-2008, 09:01 PM
Isn't he suspended for the first 4 games anyway? Why not wait for teams to start cutting players. I'm sure there are going to be some big time, experienced players cut in the next week or so. To resort back to Henry after you released him is too damn funny. The Bengals are a mess, Chad Johnson is a mess.


Big chance the Bungles are taking by acquiring Henry's services. Goodell has already stated that he'll remove picks from organizations who retain these players coming off suspsensions if they cross the line again. This move is most unwise. But hey they're loss is our gain.

I don't think the Bungles are taking a chance at all, I think Chris Henry has learned his lesson and will be a fine upstanding ........ ok never mind I can't even type this with a straight face :lol:

Mel Blount's G
08-19-2008, 09:08 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/henrydummy2.jpg

SteelTorch
08-20-2008, 12:20 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/henrydummy2.jpg
Ever notice how much his face looks like a goblin?

RuthlessBurgher
08-20-2008, 01:21 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/henrydummy2.jpg
Ever notice how much his face looks like a goblin?

Goblin? Dude is straight alien. No question.

http://whodatdish.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/chris-henry.jpg

Jom112
08-20-2008, 02:02 AM
First of all I never said that it wasn't a similar incident, and I cannot comment for my fellow Steelers fans and what they said, but if the first incident wasn't similar to the next then I don't know what it was. There was definately a corrolation between the first incident and the last one, it set a precedent for things to come. The team saw it that way I'm sure. If someone wants to claim that the guy had nothing to do with the first time the cops were called out then they are blind. Did the guy vacate the premises before the cops arrived sure but he still was there that night and there was a fight. Whether he was charged with anything or not has no bearing on how it was precieved by the public. Black eye for the team!

The Harrison situation was addressed in house by the team and James took the initiative to help solve the problem. That kind of behavior was not what was expressed by Cedric at the time of his incident (either one). According to him, he had nothing to do with it. Was Harrisons incident a black eye for the organization as well, YES, but he took the steps necessary to resolve the situation.

As far as someone being cleared of charges, why would you bring up Santonio. He was charged in two different incidents but was not convicted of either. He has shown no other problems off the field since before his rookie year. I don't believe that is an issue, maybe he was just a kid in the wrong place at the wrong time. We have all been mixed up with people that probably weren't best for our lives. Ever think of that? Unlike your boy Chris Henry, our young reciever knows how to keep out of trouble.

AK, I'll give you credit for saying Ced Wilson's incidences were related but the majority if not all of the Steeler fans that visited our boards around that time would not admit that. And Steel Torch/Steel Curtain 43, you have access to those boards, show me where you or anyone else said that Ced Wilson was guilty of DV at in the first situation.

Either way AK, you have to admit that if Harrison gets into a similar incident, he's not getting cut unless it's something really serious...


Jom - I think every team has their share of players with issues...it's how the team deals with them that matters. Yes, we've had our share, but as someone else said - the Steelers tend to deal with it quickly & quietly. Whereas the Bengals have courted this type of player (Henry, Thurman, Rucker, Nicholson, McNeal, Askew, O'Neal & Brooks) & excused their transgressions to try to become a better team. But what other team's fans react to is the hypocrisy...

"The Bengals released Henry after he was accused of punching a college student and breaking his car window with a beer bottle in March. Bengals president Mike Brown also cut ties with Henry, saying he could no longer be with the team.

"His conduct can no longer be tolerated," Brown said at the time. "The Bengals tried for an extended period of time to support Chris and his potentially bright career. We had hoped to guide him toward an appropriate standard of personal responsibility that this community would support and that would allow him to play in the NFL. ... But those efforts end today, as we move on with what is best for our team."

The Bengals said nothing about their decision to re-sign Henry, but they didn't have to - their actions spoke volumes.

So here are the names you brought up Steel Life:

Henry, Thurman, Rucker, Nicholson, McNeal, Askew, O'Neal & Brooks

Henry I have no excuses for.

Odell, I will tell you that Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown (Surprisingly), did not stick up for him which is why he never got another chance to play after his rookie season. Which is a good thing.

Rucker. All of his problems were in college. Eventhough he hasn't done anything wrong since then, I still personally think he is a POS. I'm glad he hasn't done sh it since college. Hopefully we will finally cut him this season. If anyone thinks I'm just saying this now, look up my posts on the bengals boards since 2005 and you'll see I have been saying his pick was a mistake since then.

Nicholson. Not even worth mentioning.

McNeal. Although I ever liked this pick, he had no issues coming out of college. His only incident was with a bouncer outside of club. Seriously that is not a major issue. I'm glad he is gone, but I won't jump all over him.

Askew. Although he sucked from a talent perspective, he was right in a moral sense. He did NOTHING wrong and he won the case against the Cincy police department. People might get charges dismissed here and there but for a player to win a case against the police department, you know there is something more to the story there.

O'Neal. DUI. Not sure what to say there.

Brooks. He is an idiot...


I agree that we appear to court these types of players. Most of them are not even that talented on the field, which is even more distrubing. I think it is ok to take a risk ever so often with these types of players, but we took too many players with issues in too short of a timeframe...

Oviedo
08-20-2008, 07:51 AM
On Mike and Mike this morning they addressed the Bungals and got it right. Allow me to paraphrase some statements:

"Can't believe they brought Henry back after the big deal they made releasing him"

"The Bengals will be a sub .500 team team and not make the play offs"

"They need to look at firing to include above the coach, e.g. Mike Brown"

The most accurate statement

"With the issues with Henry, Chad Johnson and their terrible defense, the Bengals are a sinking ship"

AngryAsian
08-20-2008, 09:33 AM
On Mike and Mike this morning they addressed the Bungals and got it right. Allow me to paraphrase some statements:

"Can't believe they brought Henry back after the big deal they made releasing him"

"The Bengals will be a sub .500 team team and not make the play offs"

"They need to look at firing to include above the coach, e.g. Mike Brown"

The most accurate statement

"With the issues with Henry, Chad Johnson and their terrible defense, the Bengals are a sinking ship"


O, if the Bungholes finish last in the division.... nothing will save Marv's job. But isn't Brown one of the owner's good friends?

Ozey74
08-20-2008, 09:42 AM
On Mike and Mike this morning they addressed the Bungals and got it right. Allow me to paraphrase some statements:

"Can't believe they brought Henry back after the big deal they made releasing him"

"The Bengals will be a sub .500 team team and not make the play offs"

"They need to look at firing to include above the coach, e.g. Mike Brown"

The most accurate statement

"With the issues with Henry, Chad Johnson and their terrible defense, the Bengals are a sinking ship"


O, if the Bungholes finish last in the division.... nothing will save Marv's job. But isn't Brown one of the owner's good friends?


If Marv gets the boot, the talks of Cowher being the replacement may surface. If this happend, I would be ill.

:(

AngryAsian
08-20-2008, 09:47 AM
On Mike and Mike this morning they addressed the Bungals and got it right. Allow me to paraphrase some statements:

"Can't believe they brought Henry back after the big deal they made releasing him"

"The Bengals will be a sub .500 team team and not make the play offs"

"They need to look at firing to include above the coach, e.g. Mike Brown"

The most accurate statement

"With the issues with Henry, Chad Johnson and their terrible defense, the Bengals are a sinking ship"


Oz, this will never happen. Cowher would never stake his rep on a franchise that's not seriously committed to winning. BTW, nice draft this past Saturday and come look me up if you want to talk trade. :lol:

O, if the Bungholes finish last in the division.... nothing will save Marv's job. But isn't Brown one of the owner's good friends?


If Marv gets the boot, the talks of Cowher being the replacement may surface. If this happend, I would be ill.

:(

Ozey74
08-20-2008, 09:56 AM
On Mike and Mike this morning they addressed the Bungals and got it right. Allow me to paraphrase some statements:

"Can't believe they brought Henry back after the big deal they made releasing him"

"The Bengals will be a sub .500 team team and not make the play offs"

"They need to look at firing to include above the coach, e.g. Mike Brown"

The most accurate statement

"With the issues with Henry, Chad Johnson and their terrible defense, the Bengals are a sinking ship"


Oz, this will never happen. Cowher would never stake his rep on a franchise that's not seriously committed to winning. BTW, nice draft this past Saturday and come look me up if you want to talk trade. :lol:

O, if the Bungholes finish last in the division.... nothing will save Marv's job. But isn't Brown one of the owner's good friends?


If Marv gets the boot, the talks of Cowher being the replacement may surface. If this happend, I would be ill.

:(

Thank you. I think we all drafted well and it should be a fun year! :Cheers

I would hate to see Cowher go to Cicny, and Cowher's name will come up as a possibility for any team that is looking for a head coach after the season. I think the biggest reason why Cowher going to Cincy wont happen is because the Bengals wont pay the $$$$.

ramblinjim
08-20-2008, 10:00 AM
I can't imagine Cowher would take it. He knows the Bengals way to well and the franchise has just been a disaster for to long. I thought the Browns would come after him if they fired big Romeo last year.

I figured someone would give Henry another shot for the league minimum, he has some serious talent, I just didn't think it would be Cincinnati.

AngryAsian
08-20-2008, 10:03 AM
I can't imagine Cowher would take it. He knows the Bengals way to well and the franchise has just been a disaster for to long. I thought the Browns would come after him if they fired big Romeo last year.

I figured someone would give Henry another shot for the league minimum, he has some serious talent, I just didn't think it would be Cincinnati.


With all the talent on the Browns this year, if Romeo doesn't make the playoffs... you can say bye bye to his Mike-Holmgren looking butttt, and hello Billy-Boy.

Ozey74
08-20-2008, 10:09 AM
I can't imagine Cowher would take it. He knows the Bengals way to well and the franchise has just been a disaster for to long. I thought the Browns would come after him if they fired big Romeo last year.

I figured someone would give Henry another shot for the league minimum, he has some serious talent, I just didn't think it would be Cincinnati.


With all the talent on the Browns this year, if Romeo doesn't make the playoffs... you can say bye bye to his Mike-Holmgren looking butttt, and hello Billy-Boy.

That would make for good TV & it may happen.

I've said all off-season, the Browns will not live up the the pressure of being expected to win. They will have alot of TV exposure this year & I predict they not live up to the hype.

:brownssuck

ANPSTEEL
08-20-2008, 10:10 AM
this whole, re-signing of chris henry, thing just stupifies me...

wtf are they thinking?????

oh, its the bengals- and mike brown; they aren't.

henry is going to have to perform "lights out" to make this seem justifiable.

if he comes back and plays- even average- they are going to look like i d i o t s ...

well, actually, they already look like idiots; so i guess they will look like really big idiots.


maybe they are planning on using henry as leverage with 'over inflated sense of self worth' johnson & tj whosyamama??? this is really the only thing that makes sense to me- by bringing in another player who has the talent & experience to potentially replace either of those two.

Oviedo
08-20-2008, 10:10 AM
I can't imagine Cowher would take it. He knows the Bengals way to well and the franchise has just been a disaster for to long. I thought the Browns would come after him if they fired big Romeo last year.

I figured someone would give Henry another shot for the league minimum, he has some serious talent, I just didn't think it would be Cincinnati.

Cowher would unlikey take a job with a team and organization as disfunctional as the Bumgals. He is not going anywhere where his record for possible inclusion in the HoF is going to be tarnished by multiple losing seasons while he rebuilds a team. Cowher will likely only go to a team that is close and need him to push them over the top. I still say the most likely locations are Carolina and Philadelphia.

ANPSTEEL
08-20-2008, 10:14 AM
I still say the most likely locations are Carolina and Philadelphia.

if either of those jobs open up- he'll be on the top of the list.

also to watch for- imo- jim zorn was hired as a stop gap coach. the skins couldn't find anyone else willing to be dan's beyotch-

if cowher becomes available- it would not surprise me at all if snyder put the full court press on to go after him.

ramblinjim
08-20-2008, 10:36 AM
I still say the most likely locations are Carolina and Philadelphia.

if either of those jobs open up- he'll be on the top of the list.

also to watch for- imo- jim zorn was hired as a stop gap coach. the skins couldn't find anyone else willing to be dan's beyotch-

if cowher becomes available- it would not surprise me at all if snyder put the full court press on to go after him.


I thought this too but the Redskins don't look awful this year and the Danny may give Zorn a couple of years to see how he does.

AA may be right on target with saying that when the Browns don't match their expectations (which I don't think they will either) Romeo may be out on his butt.

AkronSteel
08-20-2008, 11:48 AM
First of all I never said that it wasn't a similar incident, and I cannot comment for my fellow Steelers fans and what they said, but if the first incident wasn't similar to the next then I don't know what it was. There was definately a corrolation between the first incident and the last one, it set a precedent for things to come. The team saw it that way I'm sure. If someone wants to claim that the guy had nothing to do with the first time the cops were called out then they are blind. Did the guy vacate the premises before the cops arrived sure but he still was there that night and there was a fight. Whether he was charged with anything or not has no bearing on how it was precieved by the public. Black eye for the team!

The Harrison situation was addressed in house by the team and James took the initiative to help solve the problem. That kind of behavior was not what was expressed by Cedric at the time of his incident (either one). According to him, he had nothing to do with it. Was Harrisons incident a black eye for the organization as well, YES, but he took the steps necessary to resolve the situation.

As far as someone being cleared of charges, why would you bring up Santonio. He was charged in two different incidents but was not convicted of either. He has shown no other problems off the field since before his rookie year. I don't believe that is an issue, maybe he was just a kid in the wrong place at the wrong time. We have all been mixed up with people that probably weren't best for our lives. Ever think of that? Unlike your boy Chris Henry, our young reciever knows how to keep out of trouble.

AK, I'll give you credit for saying Ced Wilson's incidences were related but the majority if not all of the Steeler fans that visited our boards around that time would not admit that. And Steel Torch/Steel Curtain 43, you have access to those boards, show me where you or anyone else said that Ced Wilson was guilty of DV at in the first situation.

Either way AK, you have to admit that if Harrison gets into a similar incident, he's not getting cut unless it's something really serious...


Jom - I think every team has their share of players with issues...it's how the team deals with them that matters. Yes, we've had our share, but as someone else said - the Steelers tend to deal with it quickly & quietly. Whereas the Bengals have courted this type of player (Henry, Thurman, Rucker, Nicholson, McNeal, Askew, O'Neal & Brooks) & excused their transgressions to try to become a better team. But what other team's fans react to is the hypocrisy...

"The Bengals released Henry after he was accused of punching a college student and breaking his car window with a beer bottle in March. Bengals president Mike Brown also cut ties with Henry, saying he could no longer be with the team.

"His conduct can no longer be tolerated," Brown said at the time. "The Bengals tried for an extended period of time to support Chris and his potentially bright career. We had hoped to guide him toward an appropriate standard of personal responsibility that this community would support and that would allow him to play in the NFL. ... But those efforts end today, as we move on with what is best for our team."

The Bengals said nothing about their decision to re-sign Henry, but they didn't have to - their actions spoke volumes.

So here are the names you brought up Steel Life:

Henry, Thurman, Rucker, Nicholson, McNeal, Askew, O'Neal & Brooks

Henry I have no excuses for.

Odell, I will tell you that Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown (Surprisingly), did not stick up for him which is why he never got another chance to play after his rookie season. Which is a good thing.

Rucker. All of his problems were in college. Eventhough he hasn't done anything wrong since then, I still personally think he is a POS. I'm glad he hasn't done sh it since college. Hopefully we will finally cut him this season. If anyone thinks I'm just saying this now, look up my posts on the bengals boards since 2005 and you'll see I have been saying his pick was a mistake since then.

Nicholson. Not even worth mentioning.

McNeal. Although I ever liked this pick, he had no issues coming out of college. His only incident was with a bouncer outside of club. Seriously that is not a major issue. I'm glad he is gone, but I won't jump all over him.

Askew. Although he sucked from a talent perspective, he was right in a moral sense. He did NOTHING wrong and he won the case against the Cincy police department. People might get charges dismissed here and there but for a player to win a case against the police department, you know there is something more to the story there.

O'Neal. DUI. Not sure what to say there.

Brooks. He is an idiot...


I agree that we appear to court these types of players. Most of them are not even that talented on the field, which is even more distrubing. I think it is ok to take a risk ever so often with these types of players, but we took too many players with issues in too short of a timeframe...

Jom,

I don't think the case with Harrison would be as you expect. I think that if the situation continued to show signs of trouble, and the trouble persisted then he would be dismissed. There is examples of this happening with the Steelers organization in the past, i.e. Bam Morris. Bam played great in the Super Bowl for the Steelers and then got in trouble and was let go. It didn't matter that he was a player that was producing for the team.

I think the fact that James was proactive and has not run into anymore trouble showed the team that he is taking the right steps to resolve his personal battles, but if he were to get in trouble with the same type of situation he would be gone.

Oviedo
08-20-2008, 12:52 PM
First of all I never said that it wasn't a similar incident, and I cannot comment for my fellow Steelers fans and what they said, but if the first incident wasn't similar to the next then I don't know what it was. There was definately a corrolation between the first incident and the last one, it set a precedent for things to come. The team saw it that way I'm sure. If someone wants to claim that the guy had nothing to do with the first time the cops were called out then they are blind. Did the guy vacate the premises before the cops arrived sure but he still was there that night and there was a fight. Whether he was charged with anything or not has no bearing on how it was precieved by the public. Black eye for the team!

The Harrison situation was addressed in house by the team and James took the initiative to help solve the problem. That kind of behavior was not what was expressed by Cedric at the time of his incident (either one). According to him, he had nothing to do with it. Was Harrisons incident a black eye for the organization as well, YES, but he took the steps necessary to resolve the situation.

As far as someone being cleared of charges, why would you bring up Santonio. He was charged in two different incidents but was not convicted of either. He has shown no other problems off the field since before his rookie year. I don't believe that is an issue, maybe he was just a kid in the wrong place at the wrong time. We have all been mixed up with people that probably weren't best for our lives. Ever think of that? Unlike your boy Chris Henry, our young reciever knows how to keep out of trouble.

AK, I'll give you credit for saying Ced Wilson's incidences were related but the majority if not all of the Steeler fans that visited our boards around that time would not admit that. And Steel Torch/Steel Curtain 43, you have access to those boards, show me where you or anyone else said that Ced Wilson was guilty of DV at in the first situation.

Either way AK, you have to admit that if Harrison gets into a similar incident, he's not getting cut unless it's something really serious...


Jom - I think every team has their share of players with issues...it's how the team deals with them that matters. Yes, we've had our share, but as someone else said - the Steelers tend to deal with it quickly & quietly. Whereas the Bengals have courted this type of player (Henry, Thurman, Rucker, Nicholson, McNeal, Askew, O'Neal & Brooks) & excused their transgressions to try to become a better team. But what other team's fans react to is the hypocrisy...

"The Bengals released Henry after he was accused of punching a college student and breaking his car window with a beer bottle in March. Bengals president Mike Brown also cut ties with Henry, saying he could no longer be with the team.

"His conduct can no longer be tolerated," Brown said at the time. "The Bengals tried for an extended period of time to support Chris and his potentially bright career. We had hoped to guide him toward an appropriate standard of personal responsibility that this community would support and that would allow him to play in the NFL. ... But those efforts end today, as we move on with what is best for our team."

The Bengals said nothing about their decision to re-sign Henry, but they didn't have to - their actions spoke volumes.

So here are the names you brought up Steel Life:

Henry, Thurman, Rucker, Nicholson, McNeal, Askew, O'Neal & Brooks

Henry I have no excuses for.

Odell, I will tell you that Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown (Surprisingly), did not stick up for him which is why he never got another chance to play after his rookie season. Which is a good thing.

Rucker. All of his problems were in college. Eventhough he hasn't done anything wrong since then, I still personally think he is a POS. I'm glad he hasn't done sh it since college. Hopefully we will finally cut him this season. If anyone thinks I'm just saying this now, look up my posts on the bengals boards since 2005 and you'll see I have been saying his pick was a mistake since then.

Nicholson. Not even worth mentioning.

McNeal. Although I ever liked this pick, he had no issues coming out of college. His only incident was with a bouncer outside of club. Seriously that is not a major issue. I'm glad he is gone, but I won't jump all over him.

Askew. Although he sucked from a talent perspective, he was right in a moral sense. He did NOTHING wrong and he won the case against the Cincy police department. People might get charges dismissed here and there but for a player to win a case against the police department, you know there is something more to the story there.

O'Neal. DUI. Not sure what to say there.

Brooks. He is an idiot...


I agree that we appear to court these types of players. Most of them are not even that talented on the field, which is even more distrubing. I think it is ok to take a risk ever so often with these types of players, but we took too many players with issues in too short of a timeframe...

Jom,

I don't think the case with Harrison would be as you expect. I think that if the situation continued to show signs of trouble, and the trouble persisted then he would be dismissed. There is examples of this happening with the Steelers organization in the past, i.e. Bam Morris. Bam played great in the Super Bowl for the Steelers and then got in trouble and was let go. It didn't matter that he was a player that was producing for the team.

I think the fact that James was proactive and has not run into anymore trouble showed the team that he is taking the right steps to resolve his personal battles, but if he were to get in trouble with the same type of situation he would be gone.

...and he would NEVER be resigned two months later when the front office started to realize how bad the team really was. You can try to be a dedicated Bumgals fan all you want and rationalize but the organization has always been and will always be second rate both on and off the field.

SteelTorch
08-20-2008, 04:38 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/henrydummy2.jpg
Ever notice how much his face looks like a goblin?

Goblin? Dude is straight alien. No question.

http://whodatdish.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/chris-henry.jpg
http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2002/gray%20alien.gif
Yeah, I can see the resemblance. :lol:

ikestops85
08-20-2008, 05:08 PM
O, if the Bungholes finish last in the division.... nothing will save Marv's job. But isn't Brown one of the owner's good friends?

I guess you could say he is a good friend of the owner ... cause he is the owner :) :)

Steely76
08-20-2008, 05:13 PM
I can't imagine Cowher would take it. He knows the Bengals way to well and the franchise has just been a disaster for to long. I thought the Browns would come after him if they fired big Romeo last year.

I figured someone would give Henry another shot for the league minimum, he has some serious talent, I just didn't think it would be Cincinnati.

Cowher would unlikey take a job with a team and organization as disfunctional as the Bumgals. He is not going anywhere where his record for possible inclusion in the HoF is going to be tarnished by multiple losing seasons while he rebuilds a team. Cowher will likely only go to a team that is close and need him to push them over the top. I still say the most likely locations are Carolina and Philadelphia.

Not only that, Cowher isn't going anywhere he can't get top dollar and he wouldn't get that in Cincy.

ramblinjim
08-20-2008, 06:41 PM
I can't imagine Cowher would take it. He knows the Bengals way to well and the franchise has just been a disaster for to long. I thought the Browns would come after him if they fired big Romeo last year.

I figured someone would give Henry another shot for the league minimum, he has some serious talent, I just didn't think it would be Cincinnati.

Cowher would unlikey take a job with a team and organization as disfunctional as the Bumgals. He is not going anywhere where his record for possible inclusion in the HoF is going to be tarnished by multiple losing seasons while he rebuilds a team. Cowher will likely only go to a team that is close and need him to push them over the top. I still say the most likely locations are Carolina and Philadelphia.

Not only that, Cowher isn't going anywhere he can't get top dollar and he wouldn't get that in Cincy.

Ok, you have a huge point here! :Clap

SteelTorch
08-20-2008, 06:53 PM
The Bengals have struggled in the past when Henry was not on the field. Last season, the team was 2-6 while Henry served an eight-game suspension and 5-3 in the second half of the season with Henry in the lineup.
This part makes it sound as if goblin-face was the reason behind the Bengals success. That of course is BS.

The passing game didn't produce anymore with Henry in the lineup. Actually, it produced less. Carson Palmer still threw for less touchdowns, less yards (around 250), and less YPA. :wink:

And the fact remains that CH did diddly-squat against us last year.

LasVegasGuy
08-20-2008, 06:54 PM
I can't imagine Cowher would take it. He knows the Bengals way to well and the franchise has just been a disaster for to long. I thought the Browns would come after him if they fired big Romeo last year.

I figured someone would give Henry another shot for the league minimum, he has some serious talent, I just didn't think it would be Cincinnati.

Cowher would unlikey take a job with a team and organization as disfunctional as the Bumgals. He is not going anywhere where his record for possible inclusion in the HoF is going to be tarnished by multiple losing seasons while he rebuilds a team. Cowher will likely only go to a team that is close and need him to push them over the top. I still say the most likely locations are Carolina and Philadelphia.

Not only that, Cowher isn't going anywhere he can't get top dollar and he wouldn't get that in Cincy.

Ok, you have a huge point here! :Clap


He may in Pittsburgh if Druckenmiller grabs control and Tomlin chokes this year.