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Steely76
08-02-2008, 11:16 PM
If guys like Darrell Green and Emmitt Thomas are getting into the HOF then why isn't Donnie Shell in there? For that matter if Andre Tippett can get in so should Greg Lloyd and LC Greenwood.

rpmpit
08-03-2008, 07:15 AM
I really don't get Tippet getting in.

SteelHoss
08-03-2008, 11:54 AM
I really don't get Tippet getting in.


They are scrambling in an effort to find Patriot players worthy of the Hall. There are not that many. Tippet was good, but was he great? I believe he got in because he was a Patriot. I believe that Shell has been denied because he was a Steeler along with Dermonti Dawson, and LC. I watched the HOF inductions yesterday. Did anyone else hear the less than enthusiastic applause when Pats owner, Robert Kraft, was introduced to present Tippet?

RuthlessBurgher
08-03-2008, 02:03 PM
I really don't get Tippet getting in.


They are scrambling in an effort to find Patriot players worthy of the Hall. There are not that many. Tippet was good, but was he great? I believe he got in because he was a Patriot. I believe that Shell has been denied because he was a Steeler along with Dermonti Dawson, and LC. I watched the HOF inductions yesterday. Did anyone else hear the less than enthusiastic applause when Pats owner, Robert Kraft, was introduced to present Tippet?

I didn't watch the inductions yesterday (family in from out of town for the weekend), but was there any reason why Tippett chose Kraft to present him? After all, Tippett retired in 1993 and Kraft bought the team in 1994. :wft I could be wrong, but I think if Dermontti Dawson gets in (as he damn well should!), I don't think he would pick Mike Tomlin to introduce him, for instance.

sd steel
08-03-2008, 07:36 PM
Tippett said he had Kraft introduce him because all the money Kraft put into the organization, and because he brought a dynasty back to New England, or something like that. Then he said he hoped Kraft would eventually be inducted as well.

It sounds to me like Tippet was kissing Krafts ass being that he still might work in the organization, and was looking for some job security.

costanza2k1
08-03-2008, 07:43 PM
I'm puzzled as to why no one is voting in Dermonti Dawson, I thought he would walk right in during the first year...apparently they think we have too many players in the hall now...weak!

Steel Life
08-03-2008, 08:59 PM
Tippett was a great player who was stuck on mostly crappy teams (think Jason Taylor). He was selected to 5 straight Pro-Bowls & was named to the 80's All-Decade Team. While I agree that isn't a "marquee" name, I don't have a huge problem with it unless Greg Lloyd isn't afforded the same consideration. After all...Lloyd was also a 5-time Pro-Bowler & unlike Tippett he was named All-Pro 3 times. But for some reason I don't see Lloyd getting a fair shake, or Kevin Green either.

BIG FAN
08-04-2008, 12:01 AM
If guys like Darrell Green and Emmitt Thomas are getting into the HOF then why isn't Donnie Shell in there? For that matter if Andre Tippett can get in so should Greg Lloyd and LC Greenwood.

Because they are from the Steelers. Period.
Also because the Steelers owners have always been notoriously against the schmoozing treatment of what used to be the press, then sportswriters, and now the media.
I remember way back when I was little, my Dad saying he respected the Steelers organization because win or lose, they didn't cater to the media. No free lunch in Pittsburgh, just because you get to tell about the game. For free.
When the Steelers starting becoming dominant in the 70's, we could not get the "respect" even back then. After our beloved Steelers became a Dynasty, the Rooneys still didn't cater to the pundits, and they always seemed to look for a good team to fail. My Dad was right when he said, "Billy, the only people in this world who really know anything about playing football, are the men who are playing right now with a good coach who lets them know how to win, what everybody else says you, me, or some guy from t.v. dont mean nothin'".

rpmpit
08-04-2008, 07:36 AM
I really don't get Tippet getting in.


They are scrambling in an effort to find Patriot players worthy of the Hall. There are not that many. Tippet was good, but was he great? I believe he got in because he was a Patriot. I believe that Shell has been denied because he was a Steeler along with Dermonti Dawson, and LC. I watched the HOF inductions yesterday. Did anyone else hear the less than enthusiastic applause when Pats owner, Robert Kraft, was introduced to present Tippet?

I didn't watch the inductions yesterday (family in from out of town for the weekend), but was there any reason why Tippett chose Kraft to present him? After all, Tippett retired in 1993 and Kraft bought the team in 1994. :wft I could be wrong, but I think if Dermontti Dawson gets in (as he damn well should!), I don't think he would pick Mike Tomlin to introduce him, for instance.

I didn't really know the dates (or really cared to look) but yeah, I was thinking the same thing - that Tippett's time with the Patriots was pre-Kraft. Weird.

frankthetank1
08-04-2008, 08:25 AM
the big difference of tippet and lloyd is tippet didnt even have a long career at all. if they wanted a patriot so badly i think michael haynes should of gotten in. its mind botteling how dirt isnt in the hof. i never saw the 70's steelers but from what i hear its absolute horse sh$$ that donnie shell isnt in as well

Oviedo
08-04-2008, 08:33 AM
The anti-Steeler bias within the ranks of the HoF selectors is getting to the point of ridiculous:

No Lloyd
No Greenwood
No Shell
No Greene (more sacks than any LB in history)

frankthetank1
08-04-2008, 08:40 AM
i just looked up tippett's stats. 11 years and 100 sacks so an average of 9 sacks a season. and greene and derrick thomas aren't in, thats absolutely ridiculous. the hof is a joke

ikestops85
08-04-2008, 11:38 AM
i just looked up tippett's stats. 11 years and 100 sacks so an average of 9 sacks a season. and greene and derrick thomas aren't in, thats absolutely ridiculous. the hof is a joke

I hate to say this but there is a lot more to playing linebacker than getting sacks. While I agree that Greene and Thomas should be in but what they accomplished shouldn't diminish Tippett's play. He was an excellent linebacker who played his position and made the O-Coordinators account for him on the field.

I'm more ticked about a Steeler LB who made 7 pro bowls, was team captain for 10 years and never missed a game in his career. In fact he never missed a game in High School or College either. He wasn't flashy so he never got the pub. I never remember a successful sweep run around his side (Although this might be selective memory :D ) ... of course they never called many plays his way. In case you haven't figured it out I am talking about Andy Russell and I don't think he had double digit sacks for his career total. Still he was the prototypical linebacker for his time. :tt2

frankthetank1
08-04-2008, 01:46 PM
i just looked up tippett's stats. 11 years and 100 sacks so an average of 9 sacks a season. and greene and derrick thomas aren't in, thats absolutely ridiculous. the hof is a joke

I hate to say this but there is a lot more to playing linebacker than getting sacks. While I agree that Greene and Thomas should be in but what they accomplished shouldn't diminish Tippett's play. He was an excellent linebacker who played his position and made the O-Coordinators account for him on the field.

I'm more ticked about a Steeler LB who made 7 pro bowls, was team captain for 10 years and never missed a game in his career. In fact he never missed a game in High School or College either. He wasn't flashy so he never got the pub. I never remember a successful sweep run around his side (Although this might be selective memory :D ) ... of course they never called many plays his way. In case you haven't figured it out I am talking about Andy Russell and I don't think he had double digit sacks for his career total. Still he was the prototypical linebacker for his time. :tt2

i know that sacks arent the only way to measure how good a lb is, i was just giving an example of two lb's that obviously have better numbers but didnt get in the hof

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
08-05-2008, 10:23 AM
Tippet was a very good player, and probably HOF worthy. I agree though that he is rising above equal or better players because the league wants the hall to reflect the successes of the Pats.

As for him having Kraft present, he probably was the one who lobbied for the league to expand the NE presence. I'd let him present me as well if he bought me into the HOF. :lol:

BIG FAN
08-05-2008, 10:33 AM
i just looked up tippett's stats. 11 years and 100 sacks so an average of 9 sacks a season. and greene and derrick thomas aren't in, thats absolutely ridiculous. the hof is a joke

I hate to say this but there is a lot more to playing linebacker than getting sacks. While I agree that Greene and Thomas should be in but what they accomplished shouldn't diminish Tippett's play. He was an excellent linebacker who played his position and made the O-Coordinators account for him on the field.

I'm more ticked about a Steeler LB who made 7 pro bowls, was team captain for 10 years and never missed a game in his career. In fact he never missed a game in High School or College either. He wasn't flashy so he never got the pub. I never remember a successful sweep run around his side (Although this might be selective memory :D ) ... of course they never called many plays his way. In case you haven't figured it out I am talking about Andy Russell and I don't think he had double digit sacks for his career total. Still he was the prototypical linebacker for his time. :tt2

Andy Russell was the captain of a def. that became known as the Steel Cutain, if Iam not mistaken.

RuthlessBurgher
08-05-2008, 10:43 AM
i just looked up tippett's stats. 11 years and 100 sacks so an average of 9 sacks a season. and greene and derrick thomas aren't in, thats absolutely ridiculous. the hof is a joke

I hate to say this but there is a lot more to playing linebacker than getting sacks. While I agree that Greene and Thomas should be in but what they accomplished shouldn't diminish Tippett's play. He was an excellent linebacker who played his position and made the O-Coordinators account for him on the field.

I'm more ticked about a Steeler LB who made 7 pro bowls, was team captain for 10 years and never missed a game in his career. In fact he never missed a game in High School or College either. He wasn't flashy so he never got the pub. I never remember a successful sweep run around his side (Although this might be selective memory :D ) ... of course they never called many plays his way. In case you haven't figured it out I am talking about Andy Russell and I don't think he had double digit sacks for his career total. Still he was the prototypical linebacker for his time. :tt2

Andy Russell was the captain of a def. that became known as the Steel Cutain, if Iam not mistaken.

Since he career began in 1963, long before a lot of the 70's Hall of Famers arrived, he was at the end of his career when the Steel Curtain was being built. He retired after Super Bowl X vs. the Cowboys.

Steely76
08-05-2008, 10:47 AM
the big difference of tippet and lloyd is tippet didnt even have a long career at all. if they wanted a patriot so badly i think michael haynes should of gotten in. its mind botteling how dirt isnt in the hof. i never saw the 70's steelers but from what i hear its absolute horse sh$$ that donnie shell isnt in as well

Dude no offense but Tippett was in the league as long as Lloyd, 11 years and actually appeared in more games because Lloyd was hurt most of '96.

frankthetank1
08-05-2008, 11:02 AM
the big difference of tippet and lloyd is tippet didnt even have a long career at all. if they wanted a patriot so badly i think michael haynes should of gotten in. its mind botteling how dirt isnt in the hof. i never saw the 70's steelers but from what i hear its absolute horse sh$$ that donnie shell isnt in as well

Dude no offense but Tippett was in the league as long as Lloyd, 11 years and actually appeared in more games because Lloyd was hurt most of '96.

yea i know i looked his stats up after i posted that. wooops :(

tippett did only average something like 6.5 sacks a season though. i have no problem with him in the hof. i do have a problem with him getting in before lb's like greene and thomas though

BIG FAN
08-05-2008, 11:43 AM
the big difference of tippet and lloyd is tippet didnt even have a long career at all. if they wanted a patriot so badly i think michael haynes should of gotten in. its mind botteling how dirt isnt in the hof. i never saw the 70's steelers but from what i hear its absolute horse sh$$ that donnie shell isnt in as well

Dude no offense but Tippett was in the league as long as Lloyd, 11 years and actually appeared in more games because Lloyd was hurt most of '96.

Tell em'.