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AkronSteel
07-19-2008, 09:39 AM
Looking at the depth charts from the Steelers and the divsional opponents it is clear that the other teams in the divsion just don't have the depth to compete! Sorry it is long but you will see what I am talking about! Take a look! From what I can see the Bengals look like the team with the most depth besides the Steelers, on paper they actually look like a team that can compete! We'll see if that is the case. The Stains are thin everywhere, last year was like '05 for the Bungles but they didn't even make the playoffs, go figure! The Ravens have some decent talent but that passing game is going to be no where near good enough to challenge for a playoff spot this year!

2008 Pittsburgh Steelers: (1st AFC North 12-4)
Offense:
QB: Ben Roethlisberger Charlie Batch Dennis Dixon
RB: Willie Parker Rashard Mendenhall Mewelde Moore Gary Russell
FB: Carey Davis
WR: Hines Ward Limas Sweed Dallas Baker
WR: Santonio Holmes Nate Washingon Willie Reid
TE: Heath Miller Matt Spaeth Jon Dekker
LT: Marvel Smith Max Starks Tony Hills
LG: Chris Kemoeatu Sean Mahan
C: Justin Hartwig Darnell Stapleton
RG: Kendall Simmons Sean Mahan
RT: Willie Colon Max Starks Trai Essex

Defense:
LE: Aaron Smith Travis Kirschke Kyle Clement
NT: Casey Hampton Chris Hoke
RE: Brett Keisel Ryan McBean
LOLB: Lamarr Woodley Keyaron Fox Arnold Harrison
LILB: James Farrior Mike Humpal
RILB: Lawrence Timmons Larry Foote
ROLB: James Harrison Bruce Davis
LCB: Ike Taylor William Gay
RCB: Bryant McFadden Deshea Townsend Anthony Madison
SS: Troy Polamalu Anthony Smith
FS: Ryan Clark Tyrone Carter

Specialists:
K: Jeff Reed
LS: Greg Warren
P: Daniel Sepulveda
Head Coach: Mike Tomlin

2008 Cleveland Browns: (2nd Place AFC North 7-9)
Offense:
QB: Derek Anderson Brady Quinn Ken Dorsey
RB: Jamal Lewis Jason Wright Jerome Harrison
FB: Lawrence Vickers Charles Ali
WR: Braylon Edwards Joshua Cribbs Travis Wilson
WR: Donte Stallworth Kevin Kasper Paul Hubbard
TE: Kellen Winslow Jr. Steve Heiden Martin Rucker
LT: Joe Thomas Kevin Shaffer
LG: Eric Steinbach Lennie Freidman
C: Hank Fraley Rex Hadnot
RG: Rex Hadnot Issac Sowells
RT: Kevin Shaffer Ryan Tucker

Defense:
LE: Corey William Shaun Smith Chase Pittman
NT: Shaun Rogers Shaun Smith Ahtyba Rubin
RE: Robaire Smith Shaun Smith
LOLB: Willie McGinest Antwan Peek
LILB: Andra Davis Beau Bell
RILB: D’Qwell Jackson Leon Williams
OLB: Kamerion Wimbley Shantee Orr
LCB: Eric Wright Terry Cousins
RCB: Brandon McDonald A.J. Davis Steve Cargile
SS: Sean Jones Nick Sorenson
FS: Brodney Pool Mike Adams Gary Baxter

Specialists:
K: Phil Dawson
LS: Ryan Pontbriand
P: Dave Zastudil
Head Coach: Romeo Crennel

2008 Cincinnati Bengals: (3rd Place AFC North 7-9)
Offense:
QB: Carson Palmer Ryan Fitzpatrick Jordan Palmer
RB: Rudi Johnson Kenny Watson Chris Perry Kenny Irons
FB: Jeremi Johnson
WR: Chad Johnson Jerome Simpson Glenn Holt
WR: T.J. Houshmandzadeh Doug Gabriel Andre Caldwell
TE: Ben Utecht Reggie Kelly Matt Sherry
LT: Levi Jones Anthony Collins
LG: Andrew Whitworth Bobbie Williams
C: Dan Santucci Eric Ghiaciuc
RG: Stacey Andrews Bobbie Williams
RT: Willie Anderson Stacy Andrews Scott Kooistra

Defense:
LE: Robert Geathers Frostee Rucker
LT: Domata Peko Pat Sims
RT: Michael Myers John Thornton Jason Shirley
RE: Antwan Odom Jonathan Fanene
WLB: Keith Rivers Erin Henderson Darryl Blackstock
MLB: Ahmad Brooks Dhani Jones
SLB: Dhani Jones Rashad Jeanty
LCB: Jonathan Joseph Delthea O’Neal
RCB: Leon Hall David Jones
SS: Chinedum Ndukwe Dexter Jackson
FS: Marvin White Corey Lynch Ethan Kilmer

Specialists:
K: Shayne Graham
LS: Brad St. Louis
P: Kyle Larson
Head Coach: Marvin Lewis

2008 Baltimore Ravens: (4th Place AFC North 5-11)
Offense:
QB: Kyle Boller Troy Smith Joe Flacco
RB: Willis McGahee Ray Rice Cory Ross
FB: Le’Ron McClain Justin Greene
WR: Derrick Mason Demetrius Williams Justin Harper
WR: Mark Clayton Yamon Figurs
TE: Todd Heap Daniel Wilcox Lee Vickers
LT: Jared Gaither David Hale
LG: Jason Brown Oniel Cousins
C: Chris Chester Jason Brown
RG: Ben Grubbs Marshall Yanda
RT: Adam Terry Marshall Yanda

Defense:
DT: Haloti Ngata Amon Gordon
NT: Kelly Gregg Justin Bannan
RE: Trevor Pryce Dwan Edwards
LOLB: Terrell Suggs Antwan Barnes Brendon Ayanbadejo
LILB: Ray Lewis Prescott Burgess
RILB: Bart Scott Antwan Barnes
ROLB: Jarrett Johnson Tavares Gooden
LCB: Chris McAllister Cory Ivy David Pittman
RCB: Fabian Washington Samari Rolle
SS: Dawan Landry Jim Leonhard
FS: Ed Reed Tom Zbikowski

Specialists:
K: Matt Stover
P: Sam Koch
LS: Matt Katula
Head Coach: John Harbaugh

:brownssuck :bungalssuck :ratsuck
:2c

AkronSteel
07-19-2008, 09:59 AM
Sorry guys I went in and tried to space all of this out but the site constricted it back with out spaces, my bad! :(

Les 74
07-19-2008, 10:20 AM
Sorry guys I went in and tried to space all of this out but the site constricted it back with out spaces, my bad! :(

Thats ok.We all pretty much understand that the premise of your post is that the Bungles,Brownies and Ratbirds all suck!!! :lol:

NorCal-Steeler
07-19-2008, 07:48 PM
They compete at most arrests in a season.

NKySteeler
07-19-2008, 08:00 PM
They compete at most arrests in a season.

:lol: :lol: ..... Yes they do....

Akron, I'm not sure why that is, but it deletes spaces on mine as well when posting stats. Try using "..." in between them, and it works pretty good.... :wink:

buckeyehoppy
07-20-2008, 02:14 PM
The Steelers are clearly the deepest and most experienced team in the AFC North.

No one can match the Steelers running game. And some of these teams have the same guy backing up all their positions at certain areas (i.e. check the Clowns pass rush). More than one injury at an area could spell disaster.

The big concern for the Steelers going into camp is how the line will shake out. You have two guys playing for a contract. Another coming in with a big contract. The rest are largely undistinguished (with the exception of Simmons) and are looking to make their mark with the Black and Gold. And they are only missing Faneca, which could be a good thing for a young group like this OL.

I think if guys like Kemo and Colon can raise the level of their game and have Hills, Capizzi, and, even, Mahan push and compete, then I think the Steelers will be in good shape. That's particularly true if Smith, Simmons and Hartwig all play to expectations and Max Sucks gets his head out of his rectal cavity.

Jom112
07-22-2008, 11:17 AM
2008 Cincinnati Bengals: (3rd Place AFC North 7-9)
Offense:
QB: Carson Palmer Ryan Fitzpatrick Jordan Palmer
RB: Rudi Johnson Kenny Watson Chris Perry Kenny Irons
FB: Jeremi Johnson
WR: Chad Johnson Jerome Simpson Glenn Holt
WR: T.J. Houshmandzadeh Doug Gabriel Andre Caldwell
TE: Ben Utecht Reggie Kelly Matt Sherry
LT: Levi Jones Anthony Collins
LG: Andrew Whitworth Bobbie Williams
C: Dan Santucci Eric Ghiaciuc
RG: Stacey Andrews Bobbie Williams
RT: Willie Anderson Stacy Andrews Scott Kooistra

Defense:
LE: Robert Geathers Frostee Rucker
LT: Domata Peko Pat Sims
RT: Michael Myers John Thornton Jason Shirley
RE: Antwan Odom Jonathan Fanene
WLB: Keith Rivers Erin Henderson Darryl Blackstock
MLB: Ahmad Brooks Dhani Jones
SLB: Dhani Jones Rashad Jeanty
LCB: Jonathan Joseph Delthea O’Neal
RCB: Leon Hall David Jones
SS: Chinedum Ndukwe Dexter Jackson
FS: Marvin White Corey Lynch Ethan Kilmer

Specialists:
K: Shayne Graham
LS: Brad St. Louis
P: Kyle Larson
Head Coach: Marvin Lewis



A couple of things to update:

QB: Carson Palmer Ryan Fitzpatrick Jeff Rowe (Jordan Palmer will most likely be waived)

WR: Chad Johnson Antonio Chatman Jerome Simpson
WR: T.J. Houshmandzadeh Andre Caldwell (Doug Gabriel has already been waived) Glenn Holt/Marcus Maxwell

Caldwell and Chatman will be ahead of Simpson when the season starts unless he really steps it up in Training Camp.


LT: Levi Jones Anthony Collins
LG: Andrew Whitworth Bobbie Williams
C: Dan Santucci Eric Ghiaciuc
RG: Stacey Andrews Bobbie Williams
RT: Willie Anderson Stacy Andrews Scott Kooistra

No way Bobbie Williams is not the starting RG. He probably has the most job security on the O-Line. Also Eric Ghiaciuc will be the starting center. Stantucci is actually struggling thus far this preseason and was replaced as the #2 center by Bobbie Williams because he was doing so bad.


LT: Domata Peko Pat Sims
RT: Michael Myers John Thornton Jason Shirley

I wish Mike Myers got more playing time last season but this season he might not even make the team. Although I'm a fan of his he won't be starting. It will probably look more like:

LT: Domata Peko Jason Shirley Mike Myers
RT: Pat Sims John Thornton

With Jonathan Fanene playing DT and DE. He's bulked up to 300 lbs., so he should do better at the DT position this season...

frankthetank1
07-22-2008, 11:21 AM
i still have my doubts about next season. on paper this team looks awsome but who knows. it seems every offseason i get my hopes sky high and im some what dissapointed at the end of the year. everything all comes down to the o-line though. if they can be only average than i think the steelers will be an elite team, however being an average line might be a task in itself

motter1975
07-22-2008, 03:23 PM
In light of this thread, I thought the following article was interesting. It talks about the teams with the most depth, that could best sustain an injury to one of the starters.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?i ... nfirm=true (http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d80962efc&template=with-video&confirm=true)

I won't post the entire article, but the final gist was:

Here are the top five teams when it comes to depth:
Rk - Team - No. 2 QB - No. 2 RB - No. 3 OT - No. 3 WR - No. 2 OG/C - No. 2 TE No. 3 DT - Nickle CB - No. 3 safety
1 Vikings - Gus Frerotte - Chester Taylor - Marcus Johnson - Bobby Wade - Maurice Hicks - Jim Kleinsasser - Ellis Wyms - Marcus McCauley - Tyrell Johnson
2 Bucs - Brian Griese - Earnest Graham - Donald Penn - Maurice Stovall - Dan Buenning - Ben Troupe - Ryan Sims - Aqib Talib - Eugene Wilson
3 Steelers - Charlie Batch - Rashard Mendenhall - Willie Colon - Limas Sweed - Sean Mahan - Matt Spaeth - Chris Hoke - Bryant McFadden - Anthony Smith
4 Redskins - Todd Collins - Ladell Betts - Todd Wade - Devin Thomas - Jason Fabini - Fred Davis - Kedric Gholston - Fred Smoot - Stuart Schweigart
5 Eagles - A.J. Feeley - Correll Buckhalter - Winston Justice - Hank Baskett - Max Jean-Gilles - Kris Wilson - Trevor Laws - Lito Sheppard - J.R. Reed


Edit: Sorry, Burgh86, didn't see your thread on this same topic.

SteelerOfDeVille
07-22-2008, 06:52 PM
So, if all the starters in the league get hurt, we've got a chance....

Meanwhile, since only starers play... I hate to admit it, but, Clevelands team looks like serious competition.

Ben > Anderson
Parker > Lewis
Our o-line < their o-line

Braylon Edwards + Donte Stallworth is very comparable to Ward and Holmes. In fact, your average (non-biased) joe would likely give them the edge in that matchup. Throw in winslow and it's them in a landslide.

Looking at defense, they certainly have a lot of veteran names that, if they play up to their potential, could give us fits.

Reading their roster, actually made me more worried...

frankthetank1
07-23-2008, 09:16 AM
So, if all the starters in the league get hurt, we've got a chance....

Meanwhile, since only starers play... I hate to admit it, but, Clevelands team looks like serious competition.

Ben > Anderson
Parker > Lewis
Our o-line < their o-line

Braylon Edwards + Donte Stallworth is very comparable to Ward and Holmes. In fact, your average (non-biased) joe would likely give them the edge in that matchup. Throw in winslow and it's them in a landslide.

Looking at defense, they certainly have a lot of veteran names that, if they play up to their potential, could give us fits.

Reading their roster, actually made me more worried...

i dunno about stallworth and edwards being much better than ward and holmes. edwards is the best out of those wr's but stallworth is average and is injury prone. but it all comes down to deffense and the stains d is weak. i doubt rogers will make any difference at all either. even the browns struggled to get to ben last year against the worst o-line in the league and they still wont be able to run much against the steelers

SteelerOfDeVille
07-23-2008, 11:10 AM
So, if all the starters in the league get hurt, we've got a chance....

Meanwhile, since only starers play... I hate to admit it, but, Clevelands team looks like serious competition.

Ben > Anderson
Parker > Lewis
Our o-line < their o-line

Braylon Edwards + Donte Stallworth is very comparable to Ward and Holmes. In fact, your average (non-biased) joe would likely give them the edge in that matchup. Throw in winslow and it's them in a landslide.

Looking at defense, they certainly have a lot of veteran names that, if they play up to their potential, could give us fits.

Reading their roster, actually made me more worried...

i dunno about stallworth and edwards being much better than ward and holmes. edwards is the best out of those wr's but stallworth is average and is injury prone. but it all comes down to deffense and the stains d is weak. i doubt rogers will make any difference at all either. even the browns struggled to get to ben last year against the worst o-line in the league and they still wont be able to run much against the steelers
re-read it... I said "comparable".

Edwards has improved a lot and Hines has aged - which brings them closer together... that's the only reason it's even close.

frankthetank1
07-23-2008, 11:17 AM
So, if all the starters in the league get hurt, we've got a chance....

Meanwhile, since only starers play... I hate to admit it, but, Clevelands team looks like serious competition.

Ben > Anderson
Parker > Lewis
Our o-line < their o-line

Braylon Edwards + Donte Stallworth is very comparable to Ward and Holmes. In fact, your average (non-biased) joe would likely give them the edge in that matchup. Throw in winslow and it's them in a landslide.

Looking at defense, they certainly have a lot of veteran names that, if they play up to their potential, could give us fits.

Reading their roster, actually made me more worried...

i dunno about stallworth and edwards being much better than ward and holmes. edwards is the best out of those wr's but stallworth is average and is injury prone. but it all comes down to deffense and the stains d is weak. i doubt rogers will make any difference at all either. even the browns struggled to get to ben last year against the worst o-line in the league and they still wont be able to run much against the steelers
re-read it... I said "comparable".

Edwards has improved a lot and Hines has aged - which brings them closer together... that's the only reason it's even close.

oh i know, i was referring to the average fan's opinon not yours. sorry i should of made myself clear. i highly doubt edwards will ever be as good as hines but your right its very close because of hines's age. who knows though if edwards keeps having seasons like last then he will be an elite wr, but he is a jerk so i can also see him having a meltdown at some point in his career